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[Ever OSL] Semifinals - BeSt vs. Luxury - Page 9

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Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4904 Posts
June 27 2008 10:12 GMT
#161
On June 27 2008 19:08 3nickma wrote:
Wow Best getting creamed! So glad I voted for Luxury But what's up with his name Practise?

And damn he sure likes to go to the bathroom or whatever.


Seriously, if any more people keep asking this.

PRACTICE IS THE NICK LUXURY'S BEEN USING FOR MONTHS NOW. PLEASE DON'T ASK WHAT'S UP WITH IT.

(caps so everyone can finally read it...)
Complete the cycle!
gondolin
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
France332 Posts
June 27 2008 10:12 GMT
#162
On June 27 2008 19:08 3nickma wrote:
And damn he sure likes to go to the bathroom or whatever.


He took that from flash :-)
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
June 27 2008 10:13 GMT
#163
On June 27 2008 19:10 blabber wrote:
Luxury showing us all how lame Zerg is



I was actually really excited once I saw Lux go 9pool speed. I'm always interested to see what pro Zergs can do with an aggressive build on maps with ramps. Is cheese all Zerg can do? Seems like it's always 2 hatch muta or a hydra break after aggro starts from Zergs.
QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-27 10:16:37
June 27 2008 10:15 GMT
#164
On June 27 2008 19:10 gondolin wrote:
This two hatch hydras with speedlings to prevent scouting is really very powerfull against fe. And it looks like the attack comes at the same time as a two hatch mutas build, so the protoss has to choose between making canon in main or at gates. How should a protoss counter this, seeing as he can't scount till he has corsair because of the speelings, and by then it's too late?

Continuously pump zealots from 1 gate do not mine from from 2nd gas and go a 2nd gate right in the middle of cyber warping.
Go make a cannon in main, 2 up front one close and a little further from the expo nexus.
Start making a stargate and send out 3 zealots + 1 goon and a probe to scout out to catch timing right before a hydra push. It should survive against about 10-12 lings with proper micro which is pretty much the amount the zerg will have to contain scouting. Any more, and you know its a zergling all-in.

It is very economically strenuous and weak if the zerg went a macro play but this is a safe way of going about doing it.
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
June 27 2008 10:16 GMT
#165
On June 27 2008 19:13 Dromar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2008 19:10 blabber wrote:
Luxury showing us all how lame Zerg is



I was actually really excited once I saw Lux go 9pool speed. I'm always interested to see what pro Zergs can do with an aggressive build on maps with ramps. Is cheese all Zerg can do? Seems like it's always 2 hatch muta or a hydra break after aggro starts from Zergs.



Its increadible that you call a two hatch muta build cheese. Its a fucking tier 2 unit!

"No rush 20 mins OK?"
ihasaKAROT: "Wish people would stop wasting their lives on finding flaws in others"
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
June 27 2008 10:16 GMT
#166
I hate this map pool so much.
I think BeSt is going to miss his first OSL title just because of this map pool.
Minimal effort.
weiliem
Profile Joined January 2008
2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-27 10:21:01
June 27 2008 10:16 GMT
#167
OMG, (Z)Luxury 1st pawned (T)Flash 2-0 and now his gonna pawn (P)BeSt too with 3-0. he is a monster
Oppa feeding style
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4904 Posts
June 27 2008 10:17 GMT
#168
On June 27 2008 19:15 QuietIdiot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2008 19:10 gondolin wrote:
This two hatch hydras with speedlings to prevent scouting is really very powerfull against fe. And it looks like the attack comes at the same time as a two hatch mutas build, so the protoss has to choose between making canon in main or at gates. How should a protoss counter this, seeing as he can't scount till he has corsair because of the speelings, and by then it's too late?

Continuously pump zealots from 1 gate do not mine from from 2nd gas and go a 2nd gate right in the middle of cyber warping.
Go make a cannon in main, 2 up front one close and a little further from the expo nexus.
Start making a stargate and send out 3 zealots + 1 goon and a probe to scout out to catch timing right before a hydra push. It should survive against about 10-12 lings with proper micro which is pretty much the amount the zerg will have to contain scouting. Any more, and you know its a zergling all-in.

It is very economically strenuous and weak if the zerg went a macro play but this is a safe way of going about doing it.


You can also just keep your scouting probe alive a little longer
Complete the cycle!
Carefree
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1571 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-27 10:18:29
June 27 2008 10:17 GMT
#169
Hopefully Best can do something on Troy like he did against Nada back in the Ro16... (comeback, I mean)
DebOnAire - 「 Bisu[Shield] 」
QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
June 27 2008 10:18 GMT
#170
On June 27 2008 19:17 Naib wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2008 19:15 QuietIdiot wrote:
On June 27 2008 19:10 gondolin wrote:
This two hatch hydras with speedlings to prevent scouting is really very powerfull against fe. And it looks like the attack comes at the same time as a two hatch mutas build, so the protoss has to choose between making canon in main or at gates. How should a protoss counter this, seeing as he can't scount till he has corsair because of the speelings, and by then it's too late?

Continuously pump zealots from 1 gate do not mine from from 2nd gas and go a 2nd gate right in the middle of cyber warping.
Go make a cannon in main, 2 up front one close and a little further from the expo nexus.
Start making a stargate and send out 3 zealots + 1 goon and a probe to scout out to catch timing right before a hydra push. It should survive against about 10-12 lings with proper micro which is pretty much the amount the zerg will have to contain scouting. Any more, and you know its a zergling all-in.

It is very economically strenuous and weak if the zerg went a macro play but this is a safe way of going about doing it.


You can also just keep your scouting probe alive a little longer

Vs speedlings that would be tricky :>
Pepsicolaone
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States967 Posts
June 27 2008 10:18 GMT
#171
On June 27 2008 19:16 Uligor wrote:
I hate this map pool so much.
I think BeSt is going to miss his first OSL title just because of this map pool.

i dont think this map pool is ne more or less worse than when savior won. but he won meeting terrans in semi and final with Reverse Temple and loguinus2.
I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equal.
gondolin
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
France332 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-27 10:20:05
June 27 2008 10:19 GMT
#172
You can also just keep your scouting probe alive a little longer


Against speed lings? I think that for a 2 hatch hydra, you start mining back gas a little bit before having ling speed, but if you wait for it before killing the scouting probe, you only have the range upgrade slower, but the same amount of hydras.
Storchen
Profile Joined September 2006
Sweden4385 Posts
June 27 2008 10:19 GMT
#173
cmon best! 3 in a row has been done before. Ask JF!
QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
June 27 2008 10:19 GMT
#174
On June 27 2008 19:18 Pepsicolaone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2008 19:16 Uligor wrote:
I hate this map pool so much.
I think BeSt is going to miss his first OSL title just because of this map pool.

i dont think this map pool is ne more or less worse than when savior won. but he won meeting terrans in semi and final with Reverse Temple and loguinus2.

PvZ is the hardest mu to balance out, hence a history of poor pvz recs from leagues throughout the years.

ZvT =/ PvZ, much different dynamics and styles of play.
weiliem
Profile Joined January 2008
2073 Posts
June 27 2008 10:20 GMT
#175
stop blaming about the map pool pls. if (P)BeSt is really good, the map pool just wont affect him. (Z)Luxury really put out a better performance than (P)BeSt did.
Oppa feeding style
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
June 27 2008 10:20 GMT
#176
On June 27 2008 19:15 QuietIdiot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2008 19:10 gondolin wrote:
This two hatch hydras with speedlings to prevent scouting is really very powerfull against fe. And it looks like the attack comes at the same time as a two hatch mutas build, so the protoss has to choose between making canon in main or at gates. How should a protoss counter this, seeing as he can't scount till he has corsair because of the speelings, and by then it's too late?

Continuously pump zealots from 1 gate do not mine from from 2nd gas and go a 2nd gate right in the middle of cyber warping.
Go make a cannon in main, 2 up front one close and a little further from the expo nexus.
Start making a stargate and send out 3 zealots + 1 goon and a probe to scout out to catch timing right before a hydra push. It should survive against about 10-12 lings with proper micro which is pretty much the amount the zerg will have to contain scouting. Any more, and you know its a zergling all-in.

It is very economically strenuous and weak if the zerg went a macro play but this is a safe way of going about doing it.


If the zerg invested in early spawning pool and zergling speed upgrade just to keep the protoss in the dark, isn't it only fair for the protoss to cut down his economy a little to check what the zerg is doing?

I hate it when protoss players whine about how they can't scout when they can. If the zerg cuts his economy to keep you in the dark, then do something about yourself rather than keep pumping probes and waiting for the first corsair hoping nothing bad happens before that.
TL+ Member
beagle
Profile Joined April 2008
United States17 Posts
June 27 2008 10:21 GMT
#177
Can someone tell me what 15 vs 1 means?
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
June 27 2008 10:21 GMT
#178
On June 27 2008 19:16 Ota Solgryn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2008 19:13 Dromar wrote:
On June 27 2008 19:10 blabber wrote:
Luxury showing us all how lame Zerg is



I was actually really excited once I saw Lux go 9pool speed. I'm always interested to see what pro Zergs can do with an aggressive build on maps with ramps. Is cheese all Zerg can do? Seems like it's always 2 hatch muta or a hydra break after aggro starts from Zergs.



Its increadible that you call a two hatch muta build cheese. Its a fucking tier 2 unit!

"No rush 20 mins OK?"



What would you call it? An aggressive, low-econ build that has one good chance to deal big damage? If it's a strong econ build, why would anybody use 3 hatch muta instead?

I didn't mean to call 2 hatch muta cheese, though that's how it came out. Plus I've never even tried it or considered trying it, so I'm not in a position to say. Do you think it's not cheese? It seems equally cheesy to a hydra break to me, though I prefer to call it an all-in timing push.
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
June 27 2008 10:21 GMT
#179
On June 27 2008 19:20 weiliem wrote:
the map pool just wont affect him.


No player is that good.
✌
QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
June 27 2008 10:22 GMT
#180
On June 27 2008 19:20 weiliem wrote:
stop blaming about the map pool pls. if (P)BeSt is really good, the map pool just wont affect him. (Z)Luxury really put out a better performance than (P)BeSt did.

He's good at PvT/PvP
His style is derived from logical analysis and build order advantages.
Very rigid, not typical of a strong PvZ player, which has the qualities of being intuitive and flexible. IE Bisu/Kal.
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