[PL] Khan vs CJ - Page 20

On May 07 2008 00:45 emucxg wrote:
i have uploaded vods of today's matches
http://youtube.com/user/nevake

On May 07 2008 01:12 Orome wrote:


You're pulling things out of your ass here trying to sound smart. Savior's problem isn't ignoring new styles or not adapting, it's that his fundamentals are lacking right now. Not getting your sunkens up in time for a 4 rax timing rush? Not getting any lings after winning the bo fight? His old self could overcome any player, but he's far from his old self at the moment.

The Savior we used to know didn't mind spending money on an extra three sunkens if it meant more safety for his expansions. On Longinus, he used to get up to ten sunkens in ZvP to defend his second main. He was able to do that because he played with a huge confidence and knew he would be able to win the game in the long run.

Now we see a scared Savior, trying desperately to gain an economic advantage over his opponent, risking getting run over right away by going 3 hatch before pool without scouting, not getting a single ling after his first two, not getting sunkens even though he saw most of FBH's army.

This isn't about outdated strategy, it's lack of game control.

On May 07 2008 01:12 Orome wrote:


You're pulling things out of your ass here trying to sound smart. Savior's problem isn't ignoring new styles or not adapting, it's that his fundamentals are lacking right now. Not getting your sunkens up in time for a 4 rax timing rush? Not getting any lings after winning the bo fight? His old self could overcome any player, but he's far from his old self at the moment.

The Savior we used to know didn't mind spending money on an extra three sunkens if it meant more safety for his expansions. On Longinus, he used to get up to ten sunkens in ZvP to defend his second main. He was able to do that because he played with a huge confidence and knew he would be able to win the game in the long run.

Now we see a scared Savior, trying desperately to gain an economic advantage over his opponent, risking getting run over right away by going 3 hatch before pool without scouting, not getting a single ling after his first two, not getting sunkens even though he saw most of FBH's army.

This isn't about outdated strategy, it's lack of game control.

On May 07 2008 04:27 Jayson X wrote:


Of course it's about adaption. It's allways about adaption you prick. I've posted countless times that his emotions and insecurity get in his way too often. All he does is try to force his way trough a game , without any signs of exploiting / finding holes in terrans and protoss play nowadays.

He was big, then got stomped time to accept that and work on a comeback or just fade away.
Pulling things out of my ass my ass, i pull you out of my ass.

On May 07 2008 03:59 NahLGaE wrote:
just a note to all the ppl saying 'the old savior is no more', it has nothing to do with his play being old fashioned or not adapting etc but largely a mental issue (as some ppl pointed out alrdy). they say he still almost always comes out #1 in team practices against each other (and that's no easy feat looking at the insanely stacked roster of cj compared to most teams) and that his play itself is still spectacular in practice its just he has a mental block on translating that to live match success. it seems after being a god for so long and then facing a string of some hard unfortunate defeats, it really has affected him mentally altho his play is still as great as ever. this is very sad but at the very least leaves hope for the savior fans that one day he will regain his confidence and come back strong since at least in some ways a mental problem can have a simple solution while a real deficiency in play can be hard or impossible to overcome.