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Hungary11305 Posts
Preview:
Both teams have had a fabulous start into the season, the one expected, the other rather unexpected. Both stand on top of the ranking with a mapscore of 6-1 and two clean victories. Lets revise quickly:
+ Show Spoiler [games so far] +
However beautiful the stats may be, it remains to be said that ACE and STX are classically not the best teams, while there is a lot to be expected of SKT1 with the revised lineup (+Bisu) and training staff (+oov) and especially from the current grand champions Lecaf. Lecaf fielded their classical stars forGG and Jaedong (while not using Anytime) but was still sent home 0-3. That being said, lets go for the predictions:
Sea.Really < Hyun
Sea.Really has, despite trying to confuse MBC with a cunning pun, the merit of performing very well in the minor league, racking up 6-2 stats there. Hyun on the other hand is still MBC's next big thing. Sporting an impressive 2/3 winrate from his still early career, with 6-2 against Terran, he should be the favourite in this game. The only factor pointing in favor of Really might be the map - Katrina is traditionally a bad map for Zerg and a good map for the opponents of the swarm. Who knows, maybe Really will try to adopt the successful metal strategy Flash so convincingly displayed.
Sangho < Sea
Sangho is on a 4 loss streak against Terran. He is 4-8 in total. His wins come from Skyhigh, who is known for a killer TvZ and a sub-par TvP. He has "Ho" in his name, therefore indicating kinship with Backho who displayed one of the most amazing game throws I have seen in a while (against Frozean). The only thing counting against Sea is that his recent results against Protoss have been so-so. However those recent games were mostly against Much (in his OSC winner form), Stork (at GSI, before Flash broke him) and Best (Protoss' next big hope). Not much to be afraid of and looks like a certain win for MBC.
Tester & hyvaa > Light & Saint
The map is Hunters. Recently it looked like on Hunters the clearly best combination is Z / P, as in all four games where a PZ combo met a TZ, the PZ came out on top. Light and Saint already made this experience against SKT1 and I am simply assuming this will play out in the same way.
Goodfriend > Shark
How good is Goodfriend? He is on a 3-0 ministreak and he has qualified for the MSL. He is playing on Wuthering Heights, a map that makes it reasonably difficult to grab a second gas expansion for the Zerg, therefore his chances should be quite good. He is playing against Shark however. Don't let the TLPD stats delude you, Shark has been good lately, making a decent splash in the MBC vs. OGN derby, going 3-1 against various terrans. However, my suspicion is that the map will play out in favor of the Terran.
ACE Match
If all my predictions home in, we will face a 2-2 at this point. There is no reason for MBC not to send out Sea. He has been doing decent lately and the map, Andromeda, appears to be a safe place for terrans - they are the most likely to profit from the free third min-only base, and the cliffs overlooking the gas natural are an open invitation to their tanks. Who could eSTRO send out as their ace to snipe Sea? The best bet, in my opinion, might be Upmagic or Goodfriend. TvT will happen on equal terms, Upmagic could prepare fully for this Ace Match, seeking to surprise Sea with a well-thought out build.
+ Show Spoiler [results] +Sea.Really < Hyun
SangHo < Sea
eSTRO < MBC
Goodfriend [not needed] Shark
eSTRO 0 - 3 MBC
How to watch
- Yaoyuan should work, with some delay to the Daum stream. Works only in IE and requires the TVAnts plugin (dl here)
- If you have a good connection, use the Daum player (guide here + troubleshooting); it has both OGN and MBC, but might buffer frequently. If you receive an error message, changing the streaming room is said to help.
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Sea.Really really made Kal look bad a few days ago, but I suspect he is not as amazing against Z, and Hyun's last game was just monstrous.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On April 20 2008 05:52 kramus wrote:
Sea.Really really made Kal look bad a few days ago, but I suspect he is not as amazing against Z, and Hyun's last game was just monstrous.
that's a lot easier because Kal is bad 
Great post Aesop!
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
On April 20 2008 06:47 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Great post Aesop!
Agreed.
eSTRO hwaiting! 
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Estro hwaiting~~~
GOODFRIEND 4-0 PLEASE !!
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GOODFRIEND VS SHARK ON CULTIVATION PERIOD ANYONE?
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kinda offtopic: the main event could be the nal_ra vs Boxer MU but Boxer is not in the team list for the battle against ktf...
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On April 20 2008 09:03 GTR-2-Go wrote:
GOODFRIEND VS SHARK ON CULTIVATION PERIOD ANYONE?
YESSSSSSSSSSS
God I adore Shark
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United States20661 Posts
I gots the other one~
Shark's one hatch hydra is impeccably amazing.
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CA10829 Posts
this VOD makes me want to chant "SEO KYUNG JONG!"
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If this gets to a finale, I'm wondering what eSTRO has planned to deal with MBC's aces. 3:2 to someone, I don't know who.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
I think MBC will win every set but the 2v2
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Stork was not "broken" by Flash. Stork is a choke artist who cannot win finals, plain and simple.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
stork has been playing poorly for months but apparently no one noticed but me
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Stork has been sucking since he got raped by jaedong.
His initial group was an untapped Flash, a shitty zerg, and a retard protoss. He lucked out vs Best on the final set, he lucked out with luxury pooling him.
Fuck.
O sure he had a good run with GSI, but it was those gay carrier fucking maps that gave Iris such a hard time.
I really wish Best had made it through, would've been a much cooler final.
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On April 20 2008 09:03 GTR-2-Go wrote:
GOODFRIEND VS SHARK ON CULTIVATION PERIOD ANYONE?
that one hatch hydra wast just amazing
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On April 20 2008 10:11 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
I think MBC will win every set but the 2v2 seconded
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On April 20 2008 10:35 Mortality wrote:
Stork was not "broken" by Flash. Stork is a choke artist who cannot win finals, plain and simple.
He is not a "choke artist" by any means. He was pretty much on equal terms, but certainly not a real favourite to win any of the finals he lost.
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On April 20 2008 12:31 Carnac wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2008 10:35 Mortality wrote:
Stork was not "broken" by Flash. Stork is a choke artist who cannot win finals, plain and simple. He is not a "choke artist" by any means. He was pretty much on equal terms, but certainly not a real favourite to win any of the finals he lost.
People said his PvP was best against Bisu, PvT was best against Flash both times, and that Jaedong could't play vs toss. I think he was a small favorite, but even if you say it was even he should have won at least one.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On April 20 2008 12:36 Nick_54 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2008 12:31 Carnac wrote:On April 20 2008 10:35 Mortality wrote:
Stork was not "broken" by Flash. Stork is a choke artist who cannot win finals, plain and simple. He is not a "choke artist" by any means. He was pretty much on equal terms, but certainly not a real favourite to win any of the finals he lost. People said his PvP was best against Bisu, PvT was best against Flash both times, and that Jaedong could't play vs toss. I think he was a small favorite, but even if you say it was even he should have won at least one.
The MSL final was Bisu was really, really close. That's hardly choking.
People may have said that Jaedong's ZvP is his weakes matchup, but the same is true for Stork's PvZ..., even though it's not as bad as Fakesteve thinks.
Regarding Flash - I honestly don't think anyone could have won vs Flash in the last OSL final, he was on too much of a roll, not really a shame losing to him. Yeah 0-3 sucks, but he was basically beaten in GSI final and carried the loss with him.
It's not like Stork crumbles under pressure or anything, he has won countless of ace matches in Proleague, he won vs Savior and Gorush in PL playoffs and finals 2 years ago, won vs Anytime in PL '07 Round 1 Finals, etc
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GoodFriend Rapes Bunnies, You didnt hear it from me.
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On April 20 2008 13:03 Carnac wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2008 12:36 Nick_54 wrote:On April 20 2008 12:31 Carnac wrote:On April 20 2008 10:35 Mortality wrote:
Stork was not "broken" by Flash. Stork is a choke artist who cannot win finals, plain and simple. He is not a "choke artist" by any means. He was pretty much on equal terms, but certainly not a real favourite to win any of the finals he lost. People said his PvP was best against Bisu, PvT was best against Flash both times, and that Jaedong could't play vs toss. I think he was a small favorite, but even if you say it was even he should have won at least one. The MSL final was Bisu was really, really close. That's hardly choking. People may have said that Jaedong's ZvP is his weakes matchup, but the same is true for Stork's PvZ..., even though it's not as bad as Fakesteve thinks. Regarding Flash - I honestly don't think anyone could have won vs Flash in the last OSL final, he was on too much of a roll, not really a shame losing to him. Yeah 0-3 sucks, but he was basically beaten in GSI final and carried the loss with him. It's not like Stork crumbles under pressure or anything, he has won countless of ace matches in Proleague, he won vs Savior and Gorush in PL playoffs and finals 2 years ago, won vs Anytime in PL '07 Round 1 Finals, etc
I kinda agree and disagree with you. I dont't know. Maybe to put it bluntly he just ran into better andor hotter players.
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On April 20 2008 06:52 KizZBG wrote:Agreed. eSTRO hwaiting!
I agree that it was both a good post and that Estro could upset. But I'm a coward and I'm pretty sure I liquibetted with MBC.
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On April 20 2008 13:03 Carnac wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2008 12:36 Nick_54 wrote:On April 20 2008 12:31 Carnac wrote:On April 20 2008 10:35 Mortality wrote:
Stork was not "broken" by Flash. Stork is a choke artist who cannot win finals, plain and simple. He is not a "choke artist" by any means. He was pretty much on equal terms, but certainly not a real favourite to win any of the finals he lost. People said his PvP was best against Bisu, PvT was best against Flash both times, and that Jaedong could't play vs toss. I think he was a small favorite, but even if you say it was even he should have won at least one. The MSL final was Bisu was really, really close. That's hardly choking. People may have said that Jaedong's ZvP is his weakes matchup, but the same is true for Stork's PvZ..., even though it's not as bad as Fakesteve thinks. Regarding Flash - I honestly don't think anyone could have won vs Flash in the last OSL final, he was on too much of a roll, not really a shame losing to him. Yeah 0-3 sucks, but he was basically beaten in GSI final and carried the loss with him. It's not like Stork crumbles under pressure or anything, he has won countless of ace matches in Proleague, he won vs Savior and Gorush in PL playoffs and finals 2 years ago, won vs Anytime in PL '07 Round 1 Finals, etc
Well it could mean he plays well amongst his teammates but poorly on his own sorta like Sea[shield]?
If you watch the expression on Stork's face in final series vs Jaedong, you could clearly tell he looked numb and hesitant throughout.
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I never thought I'd see the day where I would find a PL matchup with eSTRO in it interesting.
GO GOODFRIEND
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Hungary11305 Posts
Just tuned in onto the stream: Really is 12 ok Katrina SE, Hyun at 3. At Muta spawn time, Really moves out with a decently sized marine force while Hyun only has 2 sunkens. However, Hyun goes for the direct counter. Next picture in slideshow: Some sunkens got taken down, but mutas are largely alive.
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OWEKOEMTOWMTOMWOETJWOMF REALLY JUST LOST LIKE 30 RINES TO 3 LURKERS
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Wow that game is turning around so quickly. Hyun now has defilers, lurkers AND guardians. All of that from 2 gases.
Really is doomed  .
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Hungary11305 Posts
Hyun is at hive tech and has 3 lurkers as defense at his choke. At the same time he is both getting defiler mound and greater spire. Really has another bunch of MM and is ready to attempt the break vs. the 1-2 sunken / lurker.
After streamskip: Hyun is breaking terran choke with lurkers and swarm, not much there to defend against it. Wraiths chase away the guardians, but swarm + lurkerling force a way into his base.
edit: And it is over, 1-0 MBC.
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did anyone see that ceremony????
SOOOO awkward.
he humped the air like five times.
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Yea, if Hyun becomes another FBH I'm going to be angry.
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Hungary11305 Posts
The second sunkenbreak is shown again. Hyun used hold lurker right next to his sunkens until the marines were in perfect position to be taken out, 2 salves of the lurkers killed like 25 marines, and I am hardly exaggerating. However, scanning BEFORE engaging could have helped Really there.
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As hilariously bad as the ceremony was, at least MBC has some reliable zerg players proving themselves.
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Hungary11305 Posts
Sea vs. Ryan[Shield] aka. Sangho being setup
edit: Just saw the Holdlurker once more on yy. Man, this was CRAZY. Someone better make a shortmovie of it.
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Hungary11305 Posts
Sea vs. Sangho started, Colosseum
Sangho top right, orange.
Sea bottom left, white.
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Sangho with 14 nex, not bad considering the positions which are far away. Sea is a little delayed with his rax and walls himself off next to the sunken colony.
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Hungary11305 Posts
Expo up and 2 gates for SH. Sea expanding and getting a machine shop. Nothing tragic yet, but the early expansion puts Sangho slightly ahead. Sea finally sneaks in a scout SCV, finds 2 goons, 2 gates, core spinning.
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Hungary11305 Posts
Sea's expo is up. 2 goons use the highground at the choke to attack the wallin, but siege mode kicking in drives them away. SH starting a semi-hidden citadel. Archives and stargate also going up - fast arbiter??
Sea has 2 scanners now, adding Goliaths already, researching Goliath range and adding 2 more facs for a total of 4. Robotics now for SH, so there might come a DT drop - however Sea is already more than prepared with detection. SH expanding top left while Sea is building another CC in his main.
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Sangho has a decently sized army of goon / zeal and will add observers shortly. Sea has no vultures at all but is getting a fast sci-fac instead, probably for EMP usage. SH has a tribunal now and getting an arbiter. 0-1 upgrades for Sea, he floats his CC to the nearest expansion, claiming that territory and pushing back the containment.
Vultures find the top left expansion attempt, blocked off with 3 pylons. Mines and speed are still researching for them. Upgrades coming from 2 armories and probably a fast sci vessel against the arbiters.
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Wow what a stupid attack by sangho...
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Oh hey, it's a TvP vs Sea and you're going to do things like that. Clever Sangho is clever. : /
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Hungary11305 Posts
Bunch of metal with 1-2 ready to move out, Sangho has mostly goons and triple arbiter. Sea dropped top left but got eventually chased away by the protoss forces.
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Sea going straight for the main base. Clutch stasis on 5+ tanks, but he cannot stop the force. Goliaths are taking care of arbiters. In the meantime, a recall has taken out Sea's natural but he does not seem to care too much, as he has units all over SH's main base.
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Hungary11305 Posts
SH still holding onto the defense, using stasis to good effect, besides hitting one of his own arbiters. Top left is still working for him, although Sea drops vultures there. As there are no goliaths left, the attack onto SH's main base retreats for now, saving some tanks.
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geesh-thought it'd be over ^_^. And what are you doing here? Not watching the game for which you made the thread?
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Hungary11305 Posts
On April 20 2008 14:55 Danger_Duck wrote:geesh-thought it'd be over ^_^. And what are you doing here? Not watching the game for which you made the thread?
Care to explain?
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Hungary11305 Posts
SH fighting back with some goons and 3 arbiters, stasising a bunch of units. But with top left fallen, he will be low on resources while streams of white metal flood the map. Seems like he gged out.
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On April 20 2008 13:03 Carnac wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2008 12:36 Nick_54 wrote:On April 20 2008 12:31 Carnac wrote:On April 20 2008 10:35 Mortality wrote:
Stork was not "broken" by Flash. Stork is a choke artist who cannot win finals, plain and simple. He is not a "choke artist" by any means. He was pretty much on equal terms, but certainly not a real favourite to win any of the finals he lost. People said his PvP was best against Bisu, PvT was best against Flash both times, and that Jaedong could't play vs toss. I think he was a small favorite, but even if you say it was even he should have won at least one. The MSL final was Bisu was really, really close. That's hardly choking. People may have said that Jaedong's ZvP is his weakes matchup, but the same is true for Stork's PvZ..., even though it's not as bad as Fakesteve thinks. Regarding Flash - I honestly don't think anyone could have won vs Flash in the last OSL final, he was on too much of a roll, not really a shame losing to him. Yeah 0-3 sucks, but he was basically beaten in GSI final and carried the loss with him. It's not like Stork crumbles under pressure or anything, he has won countless of ace matches in Proleague, he won vs Savior and Gorush in PL playoffs and finals 2 years ago, won vs Anytime in PL '07 Round 1 Finals, etc
2 words: range upgrade
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Hungary11305 Posts
Sea also with funny ceremony, throwing an uppercut and nearly himself off balance.
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sangho did a good job fighting from behind but there wasnt too much he could do after sea completely ruined his economy
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Sea's macro just crushed Sangho flat. Tbh, I am surprised he held on that long with that economy.
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Hungary11305 Posts
I think that early attack when Sea was expanding to his 2nd was really deciding, he wasted so many units there and had to give up his contain.
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it was the fact that he lost the army at the 2nd natural to sea's expansion attempt combined with the recall attempt on sea's nat.
he shouldnt have attempted the recall and he might have been able to deflect sea's timing push
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haha-I've been switching back and forth between live reports so I....yeah, never mind last comment
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Hungary11305 Posts
The unbeaten estro team is shown! For the next 2 games I will be rooting for them to extend this war to the max of 5 games
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MBC has good positions, claiming 3 and 5, while estro is at 2 and 7 - therefore MBC is maybe able to isolate the Z from his P ally.
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Why they insist sending a TZ team in Hunters?
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Yeah...positioning is such a guiding factor in a Hunters game.
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Hungary11305 Posts
Would agree that estro was basically behind from the start, just because of the huge distance between their bases.
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OH MAH GAWD HERO WINS! YES!
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wow epic fail attack lawl
edit: oh it was over already? hahah
3-0's ftw
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aw, we didn't get to see Shark destroy GoodFriend
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okay, estro got owned, that sucks.
but the pelvic pump by Hyun was pretty funny. vod is here
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On one hand, fuck yes MBC. On the other hand, MBC without Bisu :'(
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Hungary11305 Posts
On April 20 2008 15:33 PuertoRican wrote:okay, estro got owned, that sucks. but the pelvic pump by Hyun was pretty funny. vod is here
While you are there, watch the rape at 10.30 again.
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The FBH dance 2.0 was pimptastic.
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The question is, shall he become as Infamous as MBC? Tthere's plenty of possibility for a less hated version of FBH.
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very nice, thx
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On April 20 2008 11:02 ._. wrote:
Stork has been sucking since he got raped by jaedong.
His initial group was an untapped Flash, a shitty zerg, and a retard protoss. He lucked out vs Best on the final set, he lucked out with luxury pooling him.
Fuck.
O sure he had a good run with GSI, but it was those gay carrier fucking maps that gave Iris such a hard time.
I really wish Best had made it through, would've been a much cooler final.
It was Flash that actually lucked out of the group if TheRock won the game over Rumble Flash would have been left with nothing , so he should be grateful
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Hyun's stop lurker was most satisfying.
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EPT![[image loading]](http://teamliquid.net/staff/KizZBG/spl2008.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://teamliquid.net/images/liquibet/players/eStro.jpg)
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Sea.Really < Katrina SE > 
HyuN
SangHo < Colosseum > 
