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TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-25 13:30:03
January 25 2008 13:28 GMT
#321
That shouldnt be able to take it down if you have marines + bunker guarding it. You could also always consider opening 2/3 rax mnm and taking out theres Then CC + turret.

Or proxy 2 hidden facts outside the gas wall area and catch them during a sense of false security (if they destroy an assim) with something like 2 fact uped vults into vult/tank. Theres a lot of options.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
noobienoob
Profile Joined July 2007
United States1173 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-25 13:39:26
January 25 2008 13:31 GMT
#322
On January 25 2008 22:28 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
That shouldnt be able to take it down if you have marines + bunker guarding it. You could also always consider opening 2 rax mnm and taking out theres Or proxy 2 facts outside the gas and catch them during a sense of false security with something like 2 fact uped vults into vult/tank. Theres a lot of options.
Okay well I'm too tired to continue this conversation so you win, but I still think Terran has a disadvantage if those are his only options; like you brought up previously, those are all-in type builds and are very risky. It's also pretty much the exact strat I had just brought up that you quoted me being wrong for (the marine one). nite.

edit: before i go, standard goon harass with range upgrade will out-range the marines and bunker, getting free hits on the assim. it's like harassing a depo wall, only you can't repair it. terran has to go out of his way to prevent it, while toss is playing standard.. haha k no more response from me, nite
VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4339 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-25 13:45:35
January 25 2008 13:43 GMT
#323
Can't believe it myself, but I don't vote for sAviOr anymore, not of a map says otherwise, sAviOr is no longer a monster that doesn't give a flying frack about maps/opponents. He's just another... strong I suppose... Zerg, but... just another one :/
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That pretty much says it all... people still want to believe.
sAviOr's only chance now is that Sea will choke, not a bad chance I'd say :-P But it sure as hell ain't up to him, not with this level of play. Either Sea will give sAviOr a chance or he won't but sAviOr isn't able to TAKE anything :-(
Every fan of Starcraft is a fan of Lim Yo Hwan by association
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
January 25 2008 14:18 GMT
#324
So true, Savior's slump is over I think because it has turned into a fall. He's still an above average player but it's most likely that he will never win a starleague.
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
Agahnim
Profile Joined September 2007
Netherlands132 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-25 14:40:35
January 25 2008 14:29 GMT
#325
And only 3 weeks ago he played so good against Nada in his ODT group. Why can't he keep that level of play
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
January 25 2008 14:43 GMT
#326
On January 25 2008 21:41 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Troy looks balanced to me so far because of the many strategic options available to all races. EVENTUALLY there may be an imbalance but at this point theres just too many things to try, and too many things progamers will not be prepared for there to be any clear imbalance. A bit like 815 in some ways.
totally agree
815 had balance changing constantly... one moment it was a toss map, next it favour Z>P, then T>P then anytime came along and P>T and it just went on and on and one...

They're the kind of maps that you can keep for seasons on end and only just arrive at an imbalance
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2BearqLoza
Profile Joined December 2007
134 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-25 18:09:20
January 25 2008 18:07 GMT
#327
On January 25 2008 23:29 Agahnim wrote:
And only 3 weeks ago he played so good against Nada in his ODT group. Why can't he keep that level of play


If Best loses to Jaedong, which is almost 100% going to happen, Savior has a chance for tiebreak if he beats Sea... So not everything is lost yet
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7231 Posts
January 25 2008 18:13 GMT
#328
Savior had a couple factors working against him tonight. Katrina is a piece of shit P>Z P>T map, and proleague finals is in less than 2 days. I'm sure most of his training was spent preparing for proleague.

However, even as a Savior fan I have to say his play lately has been very poor and that he no longer deserves a spot on the power rank.
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puLs.ReADy
Profile Joined November 2005
Bulgaria1301 Posts
January 25 2008 18:14 GMT
#329
3/4 still top 1 allala
JensOfSweden
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Cameroon1767 Posts
January 25 2008 18:32 GMT
#330
Hmm

Savior got owned by Best (who is Best again?). I guess this game made all you Savior fans depressed, cuz we're used to Savior dominating everyone. Now some random protoss owns him

Stork took Rumble down, plain and simple. His zealot/goon micro is very good and he had the game all along basically.

Luxurys early mutas couldn't really harass effectively because of Xellos 29382938293 turrets at his nat and rines scaring away and other attempts at harassment.
Luxury soon got a scary group of ultras and charged Xellos' SKTerran force. InControl and his brethren pretty much demolished his army and it didn't help that Xellos irradiated the ultras so the rines died from the green cloud as well.
Xellos m&m management lacked alot too.

Xellos will never win anything again, sad but true, his game simply lacks too much against the new generation of gamers.

The last game between Much and Frozean was interesting because of the unusual builds and gameplay involved.
Basically, Much powered his Carrier force from one base for almost all the game and I was thinking that a better terran would probably win the game but Frozean managed to loose.
He lost dropships for no reason, microed badly and let Much's carrier fleet grow to a critical mass.

Haha, carriers are quite imba some times at least when in big groups and if microed correctly.
<3 Nada [On and off TL.net since 2002
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4146 Posts
January 25 2008 20:08 GMT
#331
cant you build refineries or extractors instead of assimilators and to achieve the same result?
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
January 25 2008 20:59 GMT
#332
On January 26 2008 05:08 M2 wrote:
cant you build refineries or extractors instead of assimilators and to achieve the same result?


I havent read the posts but if you're talking about Troy, you can't build on the geysers after you kill the assimilators.

By the way...
Fuck.
That is all.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4146 Posts
January 25 2008 21:01 GMT
#333
On January 26 2008 05:59 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2008 05:08 M2 wrote:
cant you build refineries or extractors instead of assimilators and to achieve the same result?


I havent read the posts but if you're talking about Troy, you can't build on the geysers after you kill the assimilators.

By the way...
Fuck.
That is all.

Aaaa 10x, I didn't know that u cannot build again there..
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
January 25 2008 22:11 GMT
#334
Wow, Savior played bad. He needs to stop allining/semi-allining, and go back to playing straight up. Bisu messed up his ZvP

Other results expected.
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
ambit!ous1
Profile Joined September 2007
United States3662 Posts
January 25 2008 22:33 GMT
#335
Savior... T.T
Bisu[Shield] / ♔ SoYeon
MenzieK
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States123 Posts
January 26 2008 00:09 GMT
#336
On January 26 2008 03:32 JensOfSweden wrote:

Luxurys early mutas couldn't really harass effectively because of Xellos 29382938293 turrets at his nat and rines scaring away and other attempts at harassment.
Luxury soon got a scary group of ultras and charged Xellos' SKTerran force. InControl and his brethren pretty much demolished his army and it didn't help that Xellos irradiated the ultras so the rines died from the green cloud as well.
Xellos m&m management lacked alot too.

Xellos will never win anything again, sad but true, his game simply lacks too much against the new generation of gamers.



Bullshit, Xellos beat Anytime in a long game when he was on a streak in proleague and back in shape, beaten Yarnc in one of best recent games,he beat many recent new generation players, Xellos has everything to come back into the scene, that is, if he focuses really hard on it.
JIJI
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Canada291 Posts
January 26 2008 01:57 GMT
#337
Ma Jae Yoon, I still fucking believe.
Believing forever in sAviOr. Jaedong complete domination. IefNaij scarab explosion. MUCH <3
ZidaneTribal
Profile Joined September 2007
United States2800 Posts
January 26 2008 02:19 GMT
#338
as long as savior wins his proleague game i'll understand >.>
fuck lag
Felagund
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Philippines504 Posts
January 26 2008 04:32 GMT
#339
On January 26 2008 11:19 ZidaneTribal wrote:
as long as savior owns in his proleague games (including ace match) i'll understand >.>
Fixed.
TL CJ Entusman #5 "now she is unarmed, u shall go gather ur army, siege ur tanks and her choke and send some vessels to spot her lurkers, at this time she may have defilers so, if u spot some, unsiege and bring fbs" -Ki_Do
Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
January 26 2008 05:06 GMT
#340
savioooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooor what are you doing to me T_T;
he will be back tho i still believe -_-
its me
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