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Aepplet
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![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/Bacchus_OSL.jpg) Cover image by Xeofreestyler [OSL] Bacchus 2008 Ro16 Day 4  sAviOr < Katrina >  BeStStork < Demon's Forest > Rumble XellOs < Blue Storm > LuxuryMuch < Troy > FrOzean Results + Show Spoiler + Savior < Best Stork > Rumble Xellos < Luxury Much > Frozean NOBODY ASK WHERE TO WATCH or HOW TO WATCH LIVE STREAM! Resources for a better starcraft life! http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=56443 | ||
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azndsh
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Darkmole
United States900 Posts
Stork > Rumble Xellos < Luxury Much > Frozean | ||
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
Stork > Rumble Xellos > Luxury Much > Frozean. Although Savior is certainly capable of carrying the day. | ||
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cSf.Loser
Czech Republic115 Posts
rumble luxury much | ||
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mamamia
Canada76 Posts
Stork > Rumble Xellos > Luxury Much > Frozean | ||
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RaiSad
United States325 Posts
if 2/3 of them win today, I will still feel satisfied, no matter who | ||
Aesop
Hungary11291 Posts
Stork > Rumble. Xellos < Luxury (sorry Xellos, time's up) Much > Frozean. Nothing surprising there. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
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amorpheus
Bulgaria2144 Posts
Stork > Rumble dont like stork that much but seeing him lose to rumble will be just awful Xellos < Luxury hope xellos can make it but I doubt it Much >>>>>> Frozean fuck you frozean | ||
semioldguy
United States7488 Posts
The new silver collector > Rumble Xellos < Vengeance for Brother Much < The not very CuteAngel | ||
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FieryBalrog
United States1381 Posts
YOU MUST RISE VICTORIOUS. | ||
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noobienoob
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Texas
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semioldguy
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Aepplet
Sweden2908 Posts
On January 25 2008 18:17 semioldguy wrote: In the Op, it's Ro16 Day 4, not Day 3. fixed | ||
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Aesop
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soccercop
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amorpheus
Bulgaria2144 Posts
On January 25 2008 18:28 Aesop wrote: I can do reports if Daum is remotely cooperating. appreciated | ||
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Jonteman
Sweden644 Posts
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Aesop
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Aepplet
Sweden2908 Posts
On January 25 2008 18:33 Jonteman wrote: Best's boothgirl looks like Hwasin öhhh, not the least! | ||
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Aesop
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soccercop
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noobienoob
United States1173 Posts
Katrina Savior - 3 - Orangie BeSt - 12 Yellow edit: Savior 12 hatches into middle expo outside ramp. Best takes in-base natural, Savior hatches at middle natural next to Best's base! | ||
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Elsi
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this may look like a 3 hatch timed hydra attack. | ||
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Aesop
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soccercop
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Aesop
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Scouting probe finds the forward hatchery and I can imagine best going "wtf". Best getting stargate, as expected. Hydra den is up for Savior, no tech yet. 2 cannons up for Best soon. | ||
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noobienoob
United States1173 Posts
 too much tech, 1 gate, 2 cannon, stargate+robo vs 3 hatch hydra | ||
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Elsi
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Aesop
Hungary11291 Posts
. One cannon is still up, like 5-6 hydras are hitting the gateway while being out of range for the cannon. Gateway goes down, 3 cannons done and 3 warping, Best now totally paranoid. | ||
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noobienoob
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Catyoul
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Aesop
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Day[9]
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it seems like savior tries to do ASAP allin style builds too often. he used to focus on really sexy long term late game play. hopefully this was just an "aggressive" opening. i'd hate to see savior lose in 2 minutes | ||
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Aesop
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Not even overlords at the first expansion, a trail of dead drones marks the DT's way. He is taken down when having amassed 12 kills in total. | ||
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
i'm not sure i like the hydra aggression early on, but taking his center natural is REALLY shitty. most often, when protoss goes sair --> reaver, he aims to take a 3rd gas expansion pretty quickly (such as an island expo) and THEN power hard w/ gateways. having only 2 bases kind of screws that up. | ||
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noobienoob
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Elsi
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noobienoob
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with a sneak templar drop on the main massacre'ing most of the drones. Oh and corsairs raping lords to top it off. Pretty much waiting for the GG :/ | ||
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Aesop
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Elsi
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Lol, massive temp drop in his base takes out all of his workers and he gg's! | ||
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noobienoob
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Catyoul
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United States5457 Posts
god fukin damn it. | ||
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Aesop
Hungary11291 Posts
On January 25 2008 18:53 Catyoul wrote: Savior wiping his eyes? Sitting next to Much for consolation. Oh, what I wanted to write: Thought losing liquibet points on Savior is considered honorable!Bleh, there goes the first liquibet point of the day | ||
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404.Nintu
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And no, I don't mean that in the "Really belated live report" way, but in the "The legend that once was," way. | ||
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noobienoob
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Elsi
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Aesop
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LonelyMargarita
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On January 25 2008 18:53 Aesop wrote: The group of death eats its creator. Jaedong lost? I could have sworn that was savior playing. | ||
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Aesop
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On January 25 2008 18:58 LonelyMargarita wrote: Jaedong lost? I could have sworn that was savior playing. The lore goes that Savior asked Jaedong to create the group of death with him. So I would credit Savior to be the "creator" in some sense. | ||
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Aepplet
Sweden2908 Posts
On January 25 2008 18:58 LosingID8 wrote: at the end it was about 130 psi toss vs 35 control zerg (BEFORE the final storm drop that raped about 10 drones) might as well add savior was in negative supply because he didnt have any overlords. replay showing savior killing gate just as zealot is done, game does NOT crash. | ||
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noobienoob
United States1173 Posts
On January 25 2008 18:59 Aesop wrote: Yeah, I thought it was already over til all his shit got raped there :/Replay is showing why Savior probably lost. He tried moving in onto 2 cannons with 6 hydras and 4 lings. But due to Best's gateway placement, 3 of his hydras got mispathed and did not get to shoot at the cannons, thus forcing him to pull back. | ||
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sh02hp0869
Sweden460 Posts
On January 25 2008 18:58 LonelyMargarita wrote: Jaedong lost? I could have sworn that was savior playing. no no he won against sea | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
Romanian. | ||
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mamamia
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LonelyMargarita
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Either fast tech to drop his expo, or take 5 bases and outmacro him. Pumping off of 3 hatcheries with like 5 drones each is just suicide. | ||
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Aepplet
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FakeSteve[TPR]
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Aesop
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
RUMBLE, YOUNG MAN, RUMBLE | ||
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mamamia
Canada76 Posts
On January 25 2008 19:01 Aepplet wrote: a lot of people left the daum stream, i used to have 3-4 seconds buffered up now its 30 lol yaoyuan works fine for me | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On January 25 2008 18:58 Aesop wrote: Well, IF Savior can pull a win against Sea, his chances are not so bad. I wouldn't bet on Best beating Jaedong, so he has it in his own hands. does that really seem at all likely | ||
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Agahnim
Netherlands132 Posts
On January 25 2008 19:01 Aepplet wrote: a lot of people left the daum stream, i used to have 3-4 seconds buffered up now its 30 lol not for me :/ | ||
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HaXxorIzed
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Aepplet
Sweden2908 Posts
i meant it improved | ||
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Aesop
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noobienoob
United States1173 Posts
On January 25 2008 19:04 Aesop wrote: Birdtoss against Rumblezerg incoming. Lets see how the bugwood works out in PvZ, haven't had that yet as far as I can remember, only TvZ (Cuteangel against Fakeyellow) and PvT (Rock stomping Flash). I predict a complete rape by toss on this map, but we'll see haha. | ||
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LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
it looks like something high school girls would wear during spirit week if their school colors were red and white | ||
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Elsi
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sh02hp0869
Sweden460 Posts
On January 25 2008 19:05 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: does that really seem at all likely good question what happens if Jaedong beat Best and Savior Beat Sea? They would all stand with one win. Do they play another matches ten? | ||
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Xeln4g4
Italy1209 Posts
On January 25 2008 18:54 anch wrote: savior, why the hell i keep voting for you? god fukin damn it. same here! Grrrrr! | ||
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Aesop
Hungary11291 Posts
.Rumble vs. Stork. Stork purple 3, Rumble teal 6. | ||
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noobienoob
United States1173 Posts
Stork 3 Purple Rumble 7 Teal | ||
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Aesop
Hungary11291 Posts
On January 25 2008 19:07 sh02hp0869 wrote: good question what happens if Jaedong beat Best and Savior Beat Sea? They would all stand with one win. Do they play another matches ten? Tiebreaker matches happen then, play round robin until someone pulls ahead. | ||
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noobienoob
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sh02hp0869
Sweden460 Posts
On January 25 2008 19:09 Aesop wrote: Tiebreaker matches happen then, play round robin until someone pulls ahead. Thx for info that would be good so we can see more matches | ||
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noobienoob
United States1173 Posts
edit: dun dun dun | ||
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Elsi
United Kingdom8173 Posts
micro micro baby <3 nice bo too! very nice. old skool pvz~~ | ||
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Catyoul
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Elsi
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Daum > GOM x10 | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
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On January 25 2008 19:17 Catyoul wrote: Since when can Stork PvZ ? :D He always could, just not against the very very best zergs He could probably trounce savior nowadays. | ||
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roMAD
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Edit: Jaedong for the 2nd title!! | ||
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sh02hp0869
Sweden460 Posts
On January 25 2008 19:19 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: He always could, just not against the very very best zergs He could probably trounce savior nowadays.In that we could all agree | ||
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
Damn sAviOr you're just playing bad and I don't see you taking down Sea either with this kind of play. Sad... | ||
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noojOh
United States755 Posts
On January 25 2008 19:18 anch wrote: fuck, stork is 2-0. Flash better win. flash has a horrible record against stork... | ||
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LosingID8
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On January 25 2008 19:26 noojOh wrote: flash has a horrible record against stork... flash has also picked up his game recently | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
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On January 25 2008 19:26 LosingID8 wrote: flash has also picked up his game recently I still don't think flash stands a chance against stork's pvt. | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
And I felt that Savior would lose, theese new guys are getting too good for him | ||
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noojOh
United States755 Posts
On January 25 2008 19:26 LosingID8 wrote: flash has also picked up his game recently true and im rooting for flash but stork's pvt is his best matchup imo however flash did improve so im hoping flash can win too | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On January 25 2008 19:27 0xDEADBEEF wrote: Stork is only bad against the best of the best Zergs. And Rumble obviously is not in that category. No way, where have I heard that before? | ||
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Barbarne
Sweden458 Posts
On January 25 2008 19:27 samachking wrote: Stork's Micro is Crazy And I felt that Savior would lose, theese new guys are getting too good for him I'd say it's not because the new guys are too good, I'd rather say that the game and MUs are evolving and sAviOr is not evolving with them. And, of course, he plays like a bag of shit these days, but that's not my point. | ||
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noobienoob
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I think he's gonna win todai. lawl | ||
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noobienoob
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Luxury - Top Right - Green Xellos - Bottom Left - Purple | ||
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Aesop
Hungary11291 Posts
Interesting would be if Xellos tried the Upmagic starport rush which forGG used recently against luxury. | ||
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Barbarne
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On January 25 2008 19:38 LosingID8 wrote: i must say that savior's and stork's parts of the OP are quite pimp I'm starting to like it too. Especially the July part. And for once Bisu doesn't look like a complete fag. I might start to like him in the future, despite his MBC heritage. | ||
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noobienoob
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edit: lawl make that 9! | ||
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noobienoob
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edit: yummy ultra cavern | ||
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Aesop
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Edit: Quite a large group of marines pour through the middle, towards bottom right. Wave of zerglings engages and breaks them, along with 6 or so mutalisks. Xellos adding to 7 raxx and going 2 starport, SK Terran as it seems. Luxury has his tech safely secured now though. | ||
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noobienoob
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boringedit: gg (gay game) | ||
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wo0py
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2-3 lol | ||
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samachking
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Pimptastic play by Luxury Man when was the last decent match we got? All the matches sucked recently | ||
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
Bisu losing and Xellos winning are Xellos's only hopes, and I doubt Bisu will lose PvZ again. | ||
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AcquiescE
Australia76 Posts
youd think they'd just say korean equivalent.... | ||
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.kaz
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On January 25 2008 19:52 Day[9] wrote: why do all matches suck these days Because savior is dead and nada are dead =/ | ||
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tOOkOmA4U
Germany253 Posts
On January 25 2008 19:32 Tropics wrote: C'mon, we need a game that's not a total rape :/ denied!! lol... | ||
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wo0py
Netherlands922 Posts
On January 25 2008 19:52 AcquiescE wrote: luxury and yarnc ever play each other? No, check this: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/189_YellOw[ArnC]/games#tblt-399-1-default-0-luxury | ||
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Aesop
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. Maybe he does something funny. | ||
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edit: When seeing that replay, if Xellos had had 3-4 firebats with his bottom right group, the battle might have looked alot different - that way he got raped by zerglings. | ||
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samachking
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On January 25 2008 19:56 wo0py wrote: Hopefully the fourth game on Troy offers something nice. Though much and Frozean arnt top players. They could show creativity ofcourse. Much has been showing top tier skill lately, look at his games and see for yourself Cuteangel sucks, ALOT, but anything can happen | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
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On January 25 2008 19:56 wo0py wrote: Hopefully the fourth game on Troy offers something nice. Though much and Frozean arnt top players. They could show creativity ofcourse. I'd say much is a top player as far as protoss goes | ||
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Barbarne
Sweden458 Posts
On January 25 2008 19:58 Aesop wrote: Match stats show Luxury mining 8700 gas opposed to Xellos 4700. Taking that bottom right was crucial for supporting his early hive tech. Having a third gas is crucial for any Hive tech play though. sAviOr should learn from this guy how to do this build, and not just try, and get raped, again and again. | ||
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noobienoob
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On January 25 2008 20:00 Barbarne wrote: I think it was the fact that Xellos neglected even scouting at all that got him raped by those ultras.Having a third gas is crucial for any Hive tech play though. sAviOr should learn from this guy how to do this build, and not just try, and get raped, again and again. edit: oh and the 12(+?) turrets rofl | ||
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Aesop
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. Stork won in that booth at least, so it might only be CJ cursed, not the boothgirl or the booth. | ||
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noobienoob
United States1173 Posts
Troy Much - 11 - Purple Frozean - 7 - Yellow | ||
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On January 25 2008 20:05 Agahnim wrote: much taking a peek at the hot boothgirl Who wouldn't? Except Xellos of course, he obviously lays more pipe than an alaskan oil company and doesn't need to peek at the boothgirls. | ||
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edit: Much expanding at expo below main via shuttle | ||
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Aesop
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Three tanks there. Much's BO is not working out well so far, despite two flashing stargates. | ||
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Elsi
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used the dropship to decoy the carriers so the tanks could continue attacking the nexus without being attacked! nice!! | ||
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counted 8 carriers so far | ||
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gg | ||
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Elsi
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4/4 ggogo update liquibet! | ||
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One Page Memory
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Savior, you betrated me once again T_T | ||
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SayGG
Germany676 Posts
Wow. Finally the massive map support kicks in. | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On January 25 2008 20:27 Aesop wrote: Lets say that Goliaths against Carriers are a slightly unwise choice considering the peculiarities of this map. But what else is there to play for terrans? Mass Hidden wraiths Boxer style 3/4 today, all craptastic matches today, all horrible, CJ only won 1 match theese 2 days, Go Old Man toss | ||
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wo0py
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On January 25 2008 20:27 One Page Memory wrote: 3/4 Savior, you betrated me once again T_T | ||
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On January 25 2008 20:28 meRz wrote: no like 5 people already said it or something; but yeah i was expecting this ;(umm am I the only one thinking carriers are slightly imbalanced on this map? taking out one assimilator is easy as hell with 5-6 carriers and it's impossible to stop for a terran. | ||
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On January 25 2008 20:28 meRz wrote: umm am I the only one thinking carriers are slightly imbalanced on this map? taking out one assimilator is easy as hell with 5-6 carriers and it's impossible to stop for a terran. mass ghosts? free movement despite killed assimilators newb | ||
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o3.power91
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On January 25 2008 20:27 One Page Memory wrote: 3/4 Savior, you betrated me once again T_T same, T_T | ||
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Aepplet
Sweden2908 Posts
including todays game there are only 4 games played on this map, chill for a while. | ||
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anyway... yeah, backho lost vs a yarnc rumble lost with his crappy guardian strat vs a terran best lost to sea (2-rax bunker)) It could prove to be T>Z>P>T or whatever, but we'll have to see many many more games to see if this holds true, could prove to be the complete opposite... | ||
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On January 25 2008 20:34 LaZyScV wrote: I think it might be good would be to counter it with mass Wraiths, no countering with goliaths + dropships - or at least use them properly and not run 3 straight into 8 carriers! I think an early aggressive MM build into MM/Tank contain to drop would probably be nice, at least vs. the gay reaver drop>carrier rush build. Heavy marines can take care of early shuttle harass as well as early carrier via kill interceptors ez. | ||
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ShadowDrgn
United States2497 Posts
Wasn't going to get burned hoping Savior will start winning games again, plus it was Katrina. | ||
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trollbone
France1905 Posts
BeSt in the OSL, Kal in the MSL | ||
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amorpheus
Bulgaria2144 Posts
At least seeing frozean lose was nice ... | ||
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Agahnim
Netherlands132 Posts
On January 25 2008 20:51 trollbone wrote: 4/4 yeah we have some decent protoss here !! Much in the OSL, Anytime in the MSLfixed | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
On January 25 2008 20:42 noobienoob wrote: I think an early aggressive MM build into MM/Tank contain to drop would probably be nice, at least vs. the gay reaver drop>carrier rush build. Heavy marines can take care of early shuttle harass as well as early carrier via kill interceptors ez. it could work in theory.. but when the toss sees the mm, and he will see because you have to reveal them to use, he won't build early carriers, just sticks to reaver + ground force.. | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
you don't have to fix if it's not broken.. Best for the win! | ||
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noobienoob
United States1173 Posts
On January 25 2008 21:13 freelander wrote: yeah, but hopefully by then the toss will have taken out his own assimilators, if not the terran killing the enemy assimilators himself. but yeah, pretty tough for that build to work anyway especially considering the rush distance between bases :/it could work in theory.. but when the toss sees the mm, and he will see because you have to reveal them to use, he won't build early carriers, just sticks to reaver + ground force.. ISLAND MAPS = IMBA jk :p nite | ||
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On January 25 2008 20:42 noobienoob wrote: I think an early aggressive MM build into MM/Tank contain to drop would probably be nice, at least vs. the gay reaver drop>carrier rush build. Heavy marines can take care of early shuttle harass as well as early carrier via kill interceptors ez. Good job! You figured out how to counter someone in brood war when you can see into the future and know their build ahead of time! Unfortuneately it doesnt work that way Make no mistake. Frozean reacted very well to muches build. Under normal circumstances he wouldve won. However he got FUCKED royally in the early game sequences. Much got 6 or 7 scv kills + a marine. Then much reacted perfectly and killed his front gases while frozean did a fricking 8 scv all in attack! THEN much expanded and got that up earlier. And STILL frozean made a game out of it despite much's perfect carrier micro and frozean being very sloppy with dropships. To some otheres: Please stop saying bullshit about the balance of the map at this point. It's much too early to tell, and that game was no indication what so ever. Dropship + Goliath is a perfectly fine counter to muchs build. Frozean just needed better execution throughout the game, specially early game. Stop this black and white theorycrafting, when execution is the main factor. | ||
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On January 25 2008 20:34 LaZyScV wrote: P has lost its game(s?) against Z on Troy as far as I know. Yarnc beat Backho on this one, as the only match ZvP so far. I think the imbalance is not as bad, as the protoss has to leave his base to claim the fast expansion, which is wide open for the zerg to attack. | ||
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On January 25 2008 21:35 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Good job! You figured out how to counter someone in brood war when you can see into the future and know their build ahead of time! Unfortuneately it doesnt work that way Well what do you propose smarty? I was just thinking back to the Upmagic vs. Bisu game on Katrina (the one where he didn't get raped ), MM drops seemed pretty effective during that game. | ||
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On January 25 2008 21:39 noobienoob wrote: Well what do you propose smarty? I was just thinking back to the Upmagic vs. Bisu game on Katrina (the one where he didn't get raped ), MM drops seemed pretty effective during that game.You missed the point. Of course mnm drops seem pretty effective after the fact. But frozean was already commited to something else. Switching strats at the point he scouted carrier wouldve been completely ineffcient and would have failed miserably. Of course if he had prepared mnm + tank drops from the begining it would have worked against THAT strat, but most likely in that case much would have used a completely different build. Do you see how that works? Its like someone going 2 hatch lurker ling/all in. And you go, Hey terran shouldve just gone 3 rax 1 fact bunk/turret/tank push at front and owned the nat! Yes that wouldve worked but thats an extremely narrow and risky strategy that only works in certain situations. Just like Ups mnm drop. You dont see Up doing that every tvp do you? The idea behind pro gamer level play is to use the most versitile and effecient build possible and then streamline/adjust it based on what you scout. Certain very very intelligent bw pros will "read" there opponents and design builds specifically to counter there style. However, many progamers will randomly change their style and usual builds for just this reason. | ||
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In order to do a mnm drop strat after going 1 fact 1 starport no acad. Youd essentially have to go all in off one base. This is incredibly risky given the fact that off one base mnm/tank is not a very strong build and has a very small timing window. If you couple with this with the fact that frozean was at a significant disadvantage from muchs strong 2 zeal attack and failed scv all in the timing window is essentially none existant. So frozean made the safer/more solid choice of using his existing units to do the maximum damage he could (and he was successful, taking out a nexus 3 goons and a shuttle with only 8 marines and 3 tanks). Keep in mind his attack was lauched ASAP off of 1 fact and 1 port after wraith. While making a cc. So the timing was about the same as a mnm + tank / dropship strategy wouldve been. And there are many more logical builds on semi island maps besides simply rushing to carriers. Watch some anytime vods on 815 | ||
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On January 25 2008 21:27 noobienoob wrote: yeah, but hopefully by then the toss will have taken out his own assimilators, if not the terran killing the enemy assimilators himself. but yeah, pretty tough for that build to work anyway especially considering the rush distance between bases :/ ISLAND MAPS = IMBA jk :p nite | ||
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On January 25 2008 22:05 noobienoob wrote: Point well taken. I already agreed that the strat you quoted wouldn't work before you even posted it though. Oh well. I still think it's pretty obvious PvT is imbalanced in favor of P on this map, and not just because of carriers. How is it obvious? I disagree Terran has a lot of options. And psst, you were the one who posted the strat;) I quoted you remember?Even a solid FD style play into something like a expo -> 2 fact acad 4th fact 1 starport 2 armory + take third base is completely viable. Not to mention many many gimmicky strats. Both obvious and undiscovered. | ||
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Then CC + turret. Or proxy 2 hidden facts outside the gas wall area and catch them during a sense of false security (if they destroy an assim) with something like 2 fact uped vults into vult/tank. Theres a lot of options. | ||
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On January 25 2008 22:28 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Okay well I'm too tired to continue this conversation so you win, but I still think Terran has a disadvantage if those are his only options; like you brought up previously, those are all-in type builds and are very risky. It's also pretty much the exact strat I had just brought up that you quoted me being wrong for (the marine one). That shouldnt be able to take it down if you have marines + bunker guarding it. You could also always consider opening 2 rax mnm and taking out theres Or proxy 2 facts outside the gas and catch them during a sense of false security with something like 2 fact uped vults into vult/tank. Theres a lot of options. nite.edit: before i go, standard goon harass with range upgrade will out-range the marines and bunker, getting free hits on the assim. it's like harassing a depo wall, only you can't repair it. terran has to go out of his way to prevent it, while toss is playing standard.. haha k no more response from me, nite | ||
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That pretty much says it all... people still want to believe. sAviOr's only chance now is that Sea will choke, not a bad chance I'd say :-P But it sure as hell ain't up to him, not with this level of play. Either Sea will give sAviOr a chance or he won't but sAviOr isn't able to TAKE anything :-( | ||
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On January 25 2008 21:41 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: totally agreeTroy looks balanced to me so far because of the many strategic options available to all races. EVENTUALLY there may be an imbalance but at this point theres just too many things to try, and too many things progamers will not be prepared for there to be any clear imbalance. A bit like 815 in some ways. 815 had balance changing constantly... one moment it was a toss map, next it favour Z>P, then T>P then anytime came along and P>T and it just went on and on and one... They're the kind of maps that you can keep for seasons on end and only just arrive at an imbalance | ||
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On January 25 2008 23:29 Agahnim wrote: And only 3 weeks ago he played so good against Nada in his ODT group. Why can't he keep that level of play If Best loses to Jaedong, which is almost 100% going to happen, Savior has a chance for tiebreak if he beats Sea... So not everything is lost yet | ||
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NovaTheFeared
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However, even as a Savior fan I have to say his play lately has been very poor and that he no longer deserves a spot on the power rank. | ||
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JensOfSweden
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Savior got owned by Best (who is Best again?). I guess this game made all you Savior fans depressed, cuz we're used to Savior dominating everyone. Now some random protoss owns him Stork took Rumble down, plain and simple. His zealot/goon micro is very good and he had the game all along basically. Luxurys early mutas couldn't really harass effectively because of Xellos 29382938293 turrets at his nat and rines scaring away and other attempts at harassment. Luxury soon got a scary group of ultras and charged Xellos' SKTerran force. InControl and his brethren pretty much demolished his army and it didn't help that Xellos irradiated the ultras so the rines died from the green cloud as well. Xellos m&m management lacked alot too. Xellos will never win anything again, sad but true, his game simply lacks too much against the new generation of gamers. The last game between Much and Frozean was interesting because of the unusual builds and gameplay involved. Basically, Much powered his Carrier force from one base for almost all the game and I was thinking that a better terran would probably win the game but Frozean managed to loose. He lost dropships for no reason, microed badly and let Much's carrier fleet grow to a critical mass. Haha, carriers are quite imba some times at least when in big groups and if microed correctly. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On January 26 2008 05:08 M2 wrote: cant you build refineries or extractors instead of assimilators and to achieve the same result? I havent read the posts but if you're talking about Troy, you can't build on the geysers after you kill the assimilators. By the way... Fuck. That is all. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4116 Posts
On January 26 2008 05:59 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: I havent read the posts but if you're talking about Troy, you can't build on the geysers after you kill the assimilators. By the way... Fuck. That is all. Aaaa 10x, I didn't know that u cannot build again there.. | ||
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
Other results expected. | ||
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MenzieK
United States123 Posts
On January 26 2008 03:32 JensOfSweden wrote: Luxurys early mutas couldn't really harass effectively because of Xellos 29382938293 turrets at his nat and rines scaring away and other attempts at harassment. Luxury soon got a scary group of ultras and charged Xellos' SKTerran force. InControl and his brethren pretty much demolished his army and it didn't help that Xellos irradiated the ultras so the rines died from the green cloud as well. Xellos m&m management lacked alot too. Xellos will never win anything again, sad but true, his game simply lacks too much against the new generation of gamers. Bullshit, Xellos beat Anytime in a long game when he was on a streak in proleague and back in shape, beaten Yarnc in one of best recent games,he beat many recent new generation players, Xellos has everything to come back into the scene, that is, if he focuses really hard on it. | ||
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Felagund
Philippines504 Posts
On January 26 2008 11:19 ZidaneTribal wrote: Fixed.as long as savior owns in his proleague games (including ace match) i'll understand >.> | ||
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
he will be back tho i still believe -_- | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
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Pinselstrich
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I think with savior it's the hybris. When he plays "good" opponents like Nada, Bisu, Stork and Jaedong he looks strong and even though he sometimes doesn't win he doesn't make stupid mistakes and decisions. But when he's up against Best, Ruby, Chalrenge and such players he gets beaten really hard. I'd just like to know where to put FBH in this classification. xD | ||
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