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[MBC vs CJ] Shinhan R2 Proleague Playoffs 08/01/19 - Page 44

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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
January 19 2008 08:15 GMT
#861
On January 19 2008 17:13 The Storyteller wrote:
I couldn't see much because of my stream buffer, but I think Hyun lost because of his failed 9 pool. If he looked like played poorly during the mid game, it's because after his 9 pool he had to deal with Much's corsairs and expand really fast to keep his economy going. Plus he spent a lot on drop tech since that was his only hope to slow down Much's FE economy.

He didn't play that badly.

Eh, I dunno. 9pool seems to be the new mid/later game counter vs. FE toss.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
January 19 2008 08:15 GMT
#862
On January 19 2008 17:13 Day[9] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 17:11 OneOther wrote:
On January 19 2008 17:04 Puosu wrote:
I have no idea why they would send such a bad zerg to play in playoffs..
Or maybe Much just made him look so bad because he played so well :s


What are you talking about HyuN is a really good zerg lol ;o
I thought he had the game in the bag until..much uh did his thang



i gotta agree w/ you oneother. hyun played absolutely brilliantly. i think he needed to be a little bit better about timing his expansion in the top left, as well as placing a few more overlords around to protect the top left.

also hyun should have done a bit better job of being aggressive in the bottom right (not toooo much more aggro vs that, or else it just would have botched miserably)

the only serious late game error that hyun really made was not getting that top left expansion up early enough and he didn't do any small ling drops in much's main. those late game 8-16 ling drops to kill gateways can be GAME changingly awesome.

other than that, EXCELLENT EXCELLENT opener by hyun. he may have been a bit sloppy about building drones well, or controlling his units perfectly. but DAMN that was a beautiful BEAUTIFUL BEAUTIFUL play.

insta boner
Fuck yea thats why hyun is MBC's next zerg champ!!
On January 19 2008 17:13 The Storyteller wrote:
I couldn't see much because of my stream buffer, but I think Hyun lost because of his failed 9 pool. If he looked like played poorly during the mid game, it's because after his 9 pool he had to deal with Much's corsairs and expand really fast to keep his economy going. Plus he spent a lot on drop tech since that was his only hope to slow down Much's FE economy.

He didn't play that badly.

Hyun's 9pool was fine =/ rather standard these days iirc
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TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 08:17:49
January 19 2008 08:15 GMT
#863
On January 19 2008 17:13 The Storyteller wrote:
I couldn't see much because of my stream buffer, but I think Hyun lost because of his failed 9 pool. If he looked like played poorly during the mid game, it's because after his 9 pool he had to deal with Much's corsairs and expand really fast to keep his economy going. Plus he spent a lot on drop tech since that was his only hope to slow down Much's FE economy.

He didn't play that badly.

No, he was actually ahead in bases for a while The 9 pool overlord build is standard now because it usually forces toss to make a forge + 2 cannons. Delaying the nexus by 450 minerals. While going pool before hatch only delays it by 200. Even against a good toss who only makes 1 cannon + good building placement and a couple probes to be safe it still puts zerg ahead by 100 mins or so when compared to going 12 hatch.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
noobienoob
Profile Joined July 2007
United States1173 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 08:24:15
January 19 2008 08:15 GMT
#864
I could've sworn I remember one point toward the top-left of the map where Hyun flanked Much's units from three sides, but Much did some gosu 4x storms to pizzwn everything. Pretty much agreed on all of the other times though lawl
edit: nvm they showed the replay, that was horrible hahahah
Spenguin
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia3316 Posts
January 19 2008 08:16 GMT
#865
Jy and Memorry = insta win!
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killanator
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States549 Posts
January 19 2008 08:16 GMT
#866
i wish i could understand korean...cant wait till that new english channel that tasteless will commentate
DJ, put it back on!
ray1234
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada679 Posts
January 19 2008 08:17 GMT
#867
time to show some gosu storms in the replays!
go OVERSKY MODE!
GeLaar
Profile Joined January 2003
2421 Posts
January 19 2008 08:17 GMT
#868
mbc better win the 2v2. i don't necessarily want to find out whether or not they have a player that can beat beat the much we just saw without practicing for it.
Brood War is alive and well.
Virunty
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden30 Posts
January 19 2008 08:17 GMT
#869
Hyun lost that game. It seemed like he didn't even try to control his army in battle. His lings ran in straight lines making it easy to storm. There were 2 battles that he lost that really put him behind midgame, one of them being his uncoordinated attack on 7. 3 cannons, 4 zealots, almost 30 lings running in a straight line dying to 1 high templar's 2 storms. At that point, I knew it was over for him.
"Better to die on your feet than live on your knees."
suprabum3
Profile Joined December 2007
United States373 Posts
January 19 2008 08:18 GMT
#870
anyone else really enjoying the replays, lol..
There are two types of tragedies in life. One is not getting what you want, the other is getting it..
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
January 19 2008 08:18 GMT
#871
On January 19 2008 17:13 Day[9] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 17:11 OneOther wrote:
On January 19 2008 17:04 Puosu wrote:
I have no idea why they would send such a bad zerg to play in playoffs..
Or maybe Much just made him look so bad because he played so well :s


What are you talking about HyuN is a really good zerg lol ;o
I thought he had the game in the bag until..much uh did his thang



i gotta agree w/ you oneother. hyun played absolutely brilliantly. i think he needed to be a little bit better about timing his expansion in the top left, as well as placing a few more overlords around to protect the top left.

also hyun should have done a bit better job of being aggressive in the bottom right (not toooo much more aggro vs that, or else it just would have botched miserably)

the only serious late game error that hyun really made was not getting that top left expansion up early enough and he didn't do any small ling drops in much's main. those late game 8-16 ling drops to kill gateways can be GAME changingly awesome.

other than that, EXCELLENT EXCELLENT opener by hyun. he may have been a bit sloppy about building drones well, or controlling his units perfectly. but DAMN that was a beautiful BEAUTIFUL BEAUTIFUL play.

insta boner

Haha Dat
Did you also jizz at Hyun's SMOOTH early/mid game management? It was like Much was playing in his hands lol. I agree with you though. I think what he needed to do was make more lurkers and hold center with hydra/lurker/ling/swarm while using drops on expos/main. But i don't know, I guess Hyun did get really nervous. Do you remember the part where like 8 lurkers were separated from the zerglings and zealot/archon raped them? I thought that was the turning point. HyuN blew his chance of gaining back the center and Much did a brilliant job of keeping Hyun busy.

I think Hyun himself knew that he was at a pretty large advantage and..yeah.
iD.SquaLL
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Spain250 Posts
January 19 2008 08:18 GMT
#872
On January 19 2008 17:13 Day[9] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 17:11 OneOther wrote:
On January 19 2008 17:04 Puosu wrote:
I have no idea why they would send such a bad zerg to play in playoffs..
Or maybe Much just made him look so bad because he played so well :s


What are you talking about HyuN is a really good zerg lol ;o
I thought he had the game in the bag until..much uh did his thang



i gotta agree w/ you oneother. hyun played absolutely brilliantly. i think he needed to be a little bit better about timing his expansion in the top left, as well as placing a few more overlords around to protect the top left.

also hyun should have done a bit better job of being aggressive in the bottom right (not toooo much more aggro vs that, or else it just would have botched miserably)

the only serious late game error that hyun really made was not getting that top left expansion up early enough and he didn't do any small ling drops in much's main. those late game 8-16 ling drops to kill gateways can be GAME changingly awesome.

other than that, EXCELLENT EXCELLENT opener by hyun. he may have been a bit sloppy about building drones well, or controlling his units perfectly. but DAMN that was a beautiful BEAUTIFUL BEAUTIFUL play.
insta boner


His game plan was really good gotta agree with you there, but the execution was poor, as I said before If he just had controlled the middle with a good unit placement, he would had taken the top left expansion without any trouble.
Don't take offense, better make amends, rip it all to shreds and let it go
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
January 19 2008 08:19 GMT
#873
Wow, just booted up Daum... and it's streaming beautifully. (fergie is playing outside... god i hate it)
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
January 19 2008 08:19 GMT
#874
Also Hyun just leaving his lurks unaided was pretty bad=/
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
ray1234
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada679 Posts
January 19 2008 08:19 GMT
#875
On January 19 2008 17:18 suprabum3 wrote:
anyone else really enjoying the replays, lol..


indeed
go OVERSKY MODE!
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
January 19 2008 08:20 GMT
#876
Am I the only one who thinks Hyun died because relied entirely on pure ling?

I mean he only made a couple of ultras, some unused defilers and i think some lurkers. But Much having Archons and storm pretty much raped lings, flanked or not.
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killanator
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States549 Posts
January 19 2008 08:20 GMT
#877
im tired of these "last time on CJ vs MBC" things or whatever...JUST SHOW ME WHO WINS
DJ, put it back on!
ray1234
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada679 Posts
January 19 2008 08:20 GMT
#878
lol hyun built 1 muta, wtf?
go OVERSKY MODE!
killanator
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States549 Posts
January 19 2008 08:21 GMT
#879
On January 19 2008 17:20 IntoTheWow wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks Hyun died because relied entirely on pure ling?

I mean he only made a couple of ultras, some unused defilers and i think some lurkers. But Much having Archons and storm pretty much raped lings, flanked or not.


unused defilers? he did get up some good dark swarms...kind of
DJ, put it back on!
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 08:23:34
January 19 2008 08:21 GMT
#880
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The trapped Ultralisks, there were two of them, but one hopped over.

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the two plaugu.
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