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Recommended Games+ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler [Game 1] +Poll: Recommend Soma vs Bisu Game 1?No (15) 56% If you have time (9) 33% Yes (3) 11% 27 total votes Your vote: Recommend Soma vs Bisu Game 1? (Vote): Yes
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Poll: Recommend Soma vs Bisu Game 2?Yes (43) 96% No (2) 4% If you have time (0) 0% 45 total votes Your vote: Recommend Soma vs Bisu Game 2? (Vote): Yes
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Poll: Recommend Soma vs Bisu Game 3?Yes (24) 89% If you have time (3) 11% No (0) 0% 27 total votes Your vote: Recommend Soma vs Bisu Game 3? (Vote): Yes
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Poll: Recommend Soma vs Bisu Game 4?Yes (9) 47% If you have time (8) 42% No (2) 11% 19 total votes Your vote: Recommend Soma vs Bisu Game 4? (Vote): Yes
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Poll: Recommend Soma vs Bisu Game 5?Yes (31) 89% If you have time (3) 9% No (1) 3% 35 total votes Your vote: Recommend Soma vs Bisu Game 5? (Vote): Yes
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Poll: Recommend Soma vs Bisu Game 6?Yes (25) 89% If you have time (2) 7% No (1) 4% 28 total votes Your vote: Recommend Soma vs Bisu Game 6? (Vote): Yes
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Poll: Recommend Soma vs Bisu Game 7?No (29) 71% Yes (10) 24% If you have time (2) 5% 41 total votes Your vote: Recommend Soma vs Bisu Game 7? (Vote): Yes
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On October 14 2025 22:17 RowdierBob wrote:
Hopefully snow can build on Bisu’s play today. I think the Roaring Curremt strategy has legs. Just needs some small refinements like adding storm. Scouting is really vital and be prepared for many mutas.
Except it had wings. I said it and I will say it again. Forget everything. Play as if you are at the beginning of the millenium. Make zealots, make archons, forget about mutas, forget FE. Just bust zerg bases left and right and win.
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On October 14 2025 22:16 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2025 22:10 evilfatsh1t wrote:
i gotta say though i think bisu should have done better. it was obvious soma was going to all in rather than play eco in more games than not. he should have thought about a ling bust once he saw the early gas and thought to leave a probe at the entrance. But is it a Zergling all-in? is it Hydra? it is Muta? And if your to defensive then Zerg just goes super greedy and takes the map and macros you to death.
Sending Zealot out is normal in PvZ, can't blame any P for doing that. Otherwise do you want to sit until you have enough Zealots to plug the gaps? That's an intrinsic problem of this matchup no matter what map design you go with. Protoss can never be risk free.
But Bisu's reaction time seems slow though. He had enough time to pull probes once the zealot sees the lings. I'm not sure if that's enough though but it'd increase his chance to win significantly.
What a shame because in this series he has shown he's the better player, but when your opponent's level is high enough, you can't beat both the man and the matchup.
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On October 14 2025 22:24 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
could catch the last 2 games. Are the first games worth watching ? Sucks for Bisu to end this way. just 1 freaking game to make it to the finals ruin by that silly all in. I kinda think he deserves it tho cuz he saw how early Soma took his gaz, But yeah im not sure what he was doing with that zealot and why he didnt even bother to block for early speed ling timings. Maybe nerves got the best of him in that last game. Happy for Soma. An ex CJ player will win the ASL for the first time if im not mistaken. Snow has a lot of material to study tho. If i was SNow i will just quit streaming till the finals and grind 24/7 lol. But we are in a different era and im sure both of the end will most likely keep playing proleagues and playing each other till the Final.
All in all this was pretty much my Prediction. Snow vs Soma final. I have Soma taking it 4-2
Both games are good. + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +2nd game is clutch two base push It is classic bisu open ramp zerg overextension bait
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On October 14 2025 22:16 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2025 22:10 evilfatsh1t wrote:
i gotta say though i think bisu should have done better. it was obvious soma was going to all in rather than play eco in more games than not. he should have thought about a ling bust once he saw the early gas and thought to leave a probe at the entrance. But is it a Zergling all-in? is it Hydra? it is Muta? And if your to defensive then Zerg just goes super greedy and takes the map and macros you to death.
well you wouldnt hydra all in off such an early gas. even for mutas that gas was too early.
youre right about pvz generally with your second statement but the theme for this series has generally been that if bisu can overcome the early game aggression he will most likely win. bisus bane was his own obssession with his optimisation that he didnt want to let a probe or two sit idle i guess.
it could just be that bisu is old. if he pulled probes as soon as he saw the zerglings following his zealot i think he could have held. maybe age/fatigue kicked in and he just reacted slow
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What a damn shame.
Kinda sick of this matchup, honestly. It really is just bullshit.
Whatever.. GGs.
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On October 14 2025 23:03 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
What a damn shame.
Kinda sick of this matchup, honestly. It really is just bullshit.
Whatever.. GGs.
You cannot lose track of history. Zerg players can trace their lineage back to july. It is time protoss players can do the same. Bisu was mocked as playing an "old school 1 base play". The caster callously said it was as old as it comes, yet bisu won that game... I think you guys need a head transplant.
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Looks like We're getting another zerg Champion.
soma to beat SnOw 4-2 in the Grand Final, imo.
Hopefully I'm wrong, by the way. But it's going to be a really tough one for our Protoss warrior to win.
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thanks for LR ing friends !! 
i feel bad for bisu 
but , at least, my LB is safe !!
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On October 14 2025 23:11 mtcn77 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2025 23:03 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
What a damn shame.
Kinda sick of this matchup, honestly. It really is just bullshit.
Whatever.. GGs. You cannot lose track of history. Zerg players can trace their lineage back to july. It is time protoss players can do the same. Bisu was mocked as playing an "old school 1 base play". The caster callously said it was as old as it comes, yet bisu won that game... I think you guys need a head transplant.
wtf are you talking about?
every thing youve posted in this thread seems to be some rambling that just doesnt make sense
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On October 14 2025 23:24 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2025 23:11 mtcn77 wrote:On October 14 2025 23:03 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
What a damn shame.
Kinda sick of this matchup, honestly. It really is just bullshit.
Whatever.. GGs. You cannot lose track of history. Zerg players can trace their lineage back to july. It is time protoss players can do the same. Bisu was mocked as playing an "old school 1 base play". The caster callously said it was as old as it comes, yet bisu won that game... I think you guys need a head transplant. wtf are you talking about? every thing youve posted in this thread seems to be some rambling that just doesnt make sense
Just ignore him, he's either trolling or Dunning-Kruger'd his way into thinking he knows the meta better than the pros.
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On October 14 2025 23:24 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2025 23:11 mtcn77 wrote:On October 14 2025 23:03 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
What a damn shame.
Kinda sick of this matchup, honestly. It really is just bullshit.
Whatever.. GGs. You cannot lose track of history. Zerg players can trace their lineage back to july. It is time protoss players can do the same. Bisu was mocked as playing an "old school 1 base play". The caster callously said it was as old as it comes, yet bisu won that game... I think you guys need a head transplant. wtf are you talking about? every thing youve posted in this thread seems to be some rambling that just doesnt make sense
I'm talking about game 3.
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On October 14 2025 23:27 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2025 23:24 evilfatsh1t wrote:On October 14 2025 23:11 mtcn77 wrote:On October 14 2025 23:03 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
What a damn shame.
Kinda sick of this matchup, honestly. It really is just bullshit.
Whatever.. GGs. You cannot lose track of history. Zerg players can trace their lineage back to july. It is time protoss players can do the same. Bisu was mocked as playing an "old school 1 base play". The caster callously said it was as old as it comes, yet bisu won that game... I think you guys need a head transplant. wtf are you talking about? every thing youve posted in this thread seems to be some rambling that just doesnt make sense Just ignore him, he's either trolling or Dunning-Kruger'd his way into thinking he knows the meta better than the pros.
Aren't we all in the betting system?
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Russian Federation3338 Posts
RIP
oh well hope snow wins in the finals
It does feel like the Protoss is really left guessing a lot and has to defend multiple possibilities before they can take the initiative against Zergs
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On October 14 2025 22:37 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2025 22:16 Gorsameth wrote:On October 14 2025 22:10 evilfatsh1t wrote:
i gotta say though i think bisu should have done better. it was obvious soma was going to all in rather than play eco in more games than not. he should have thought about a ling bust once he saw the early gas and thought to leave a probe at the entrance. But is it a Zergling all-in? is it Hydra? it is Muta? And if your to defensive then Zerg just goes super greedy and takes the map and macros you to death. Sending Zealot out is normal in PvZ, can't blame any P for doing that. Otherwise do you want to sit until you have enough Zealots to plug the gaps? That's an intrinsic problem of this matchup no matter what map design you go with. Protoss can never be risk free. But Bisu's reaction time seems slow though. He had enough time to pull probes once the zealot sees the lings. I'm not sure if that's enough though but it'd increase his chance to win significantly. What a shame because in this series he has shown he's the better player, but when your opponent's level is high enough, you can't beat both the man and the matchup.
Probably that's why he didn't pull probes
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https://imgur.com/a/zRKT5HG
This is what i call, a 1.5 zlot gap.
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i'm just glad the better player won and it's pretty clear protoss > zerg overall and it takes a S+ just to barely block zealot a-move. i think most people can agree. anyways g2g got some ladies waiting for me. enjoy the rest of the conversation.
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On October 14 2025 23:38 Bonyth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2025 22:37 TMNT wrote:On October 14 2025 22:16 Gorsameth wrote:On October 14 2025 22:10 evilfatsh1t wrote:
i gotta say though i think bisu should have done better. it was obvious soma was going to all in rather than play eco in more games than not. he should have thought about a ling bust once he saw the early gas and thought to leave a probe at the entrance. But is it a Zergling all-in? is it Hydra? it is Muta? And if your to defensive then Zerg just goes super greedy and takes the map and macros you to death. Sending Zealot out is normal in PvZ, can't blame any P for doing that. Otherwise do you want to sit until you have enough Zealots to plug the gaps? That's an intrinsic problem of this matchup no matter what map design you go with. Protoss can never be risk free. But Bisu's reaction time seems slow though. He had enough time to pull probes once the zealot sees the lings. I'm not sure if that's enough though but it'd increase his chance to win significantly. What a shame because in this series he has shown he's the better player, but when your opponent's level is high enough, you can't beat both the man and the matchup. Probably that's why he didn't pull probes https://imgur.com/a/zRKT5HGThis is what i call, a 1.5 zlot gap.
This explains everything then. Watching it live I thought the probe pull was bizarrely slow it's almost like match fixing. But with this kind of gap it's just not reliable you can position the Zealot right with one click. Not sure why he had to walk on such a thin line like this.
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On October 15 2025 00:09 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2025 23:38 Bonyth wrote:On October 14 2025 22:37 TMNT wrote:On October 14 2025 22:16 Gorsameth wrote:On October 14 2025 22:10 evilfatsh1t wrote:
i gotta say though i think bisu should have done better. it was obvious soma was going to all in rather than play eco in more games than not. he should have thought about a ling bust once he saw the early gas and thought to leave a probe at the entrance. But is it a Zergling all-in? is it Hydra? it is Muta? And if your to defensive then Zerg just goes super greedy and takes the map and macros you to death. Sending Zealot out is normal in PvZ, can't blame any P for doing that. Otherwise do you want to sit until you have enough Zealots to plug the gaps? That's an intrinsic problem of this matchup no matter what map design you go with. Protoss can never be risk free. But Bisu's reaction time seems slow though. He had enough time to pull probes once the zealot sees the lings. I'm not sure if that's enough though but it'd increase his chance to win significantly. What a shame because in this series he has shown he's the better player, but when your opponent's level is high enough, you can't beat both the man and the matchup. Probably that's why he didn't pull probes https://imgur.com/a/zRKT5HGThis is what i call, a 1.5 zlot gap. This explains everything then. Watching it live I thought the probe pull was bizarrely slow it's almost like match fixing. But with this kind of gap it's just not reliable you can position the Zealot right with one click. Not sure why he had to walk on such a thin line like this.
It was FE. I told you you cannot win with FE. Game 3 he didn't FE. You are literally giving zerg a free win. You cannot clutch from a FE start.
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Great series overall, very aggressive from both sides. Notice how we didn't see a regular long game with hive tech and fully upgraded armies.
I feel like Soma thought he won game 2 for sure but then overextended, clutch come back from Bisu.
The game on Roaring Currents was insightful since now we've seen that Z has a conceptual counter to Carrier/Sair, as long as P stays on air only. I wonder what happens if P doesn't attack at ~160supply but instead adds HTs to the army composition before forcing the fight.
The last game was obviously somewhat anticlimatic but the loss is on Bisu - he was playing blindly after his scouting probe died and by now everyone should expect Soma to be ready to pull the trigger in early game ZvP. IMO its similar for PvZ, ZvT and TvP - as long as you can't rule out certain cheeses/timings, you must play in a way that is safe vs everything. Its just how these matchups work.
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I can't even think of a single reason to move out with that Zealot?
Bisu saw that Soma made at least 6 lings, so the Zealot cannot cross the map and threaten anything. And since 6 lings were already made, the move out also won't trigger any additional ling production. Why is it moving out? The Zealots job is to sit home and close the wall....+ Show Spoiler +
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