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On September 22 2025 12:41 BLinD-RawR wrote: nothing is ever easy or a given for mini That's why he is the most entertaining player  This might be the best series of the round of 8 | ||
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rotta
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On September 22 2025 16:23 Simplistik wrote: I want some crazy low econ base trade shenanigans! Or as the other pros put it: shitty chaotic mess The game on Apocalypse last year was one of my favourites of all time, looking forward to this no matter who advances! | ||
Peeano
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Simplistik you must know what I'm talking about. Mini had top right base I believe. Mini essentially got owned by a push and then he played an insane refugee style PvT that he didn't end up winning despite all his efforts. Anyway, more on topic here is S17 Ro16 Group B game 1: Mini vs Barracks: https://vod.sooplive.co.kr/player/119488913?change_second=1606 | ||
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konadora
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On September 22 2025 17:09 Peeano wrote: When was that hilarious PvT with Mini and some T at bottom right? I thought that was with Barracks? Maybe JyJ or Sharp? Simplistik you must know what I'm talking about. Mini had top right base I believe. Mini essentially got owned by a push and then he played an insane refugee style PvT that he didn't end up winning despite all his efforts. Anyway, more on topic here is S17 Ro16 Group B game 1: Mini vs Barracks: https://vod.sooplive.co.kr/player/119488913?change_second=1606 is this this one? | ||
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it takes balls to go full rock 2 base carriers | ||
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On September 22 2025 19:37 konadora wrote: fast carriers are so strong once u hit critical mass shoutout to rock, 2 base carriers. | ||
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Highgamer
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Uldridge
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On September 22 2025 19:47 Uldridge wrote: I'm hoping for some DELICIOUS cheese this series Same | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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that guy who said 4-2 barrack should seek professional help. STRONG meds bro. | ||
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Uldridge
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On September 22 2025 19:50 RogerChillingworth wrote: just got home. SCORE LOOKIN GOOD. that guy who said 4-2 barrack should seek professional help. STRONG meds bro. Watch your karma. Is the meter filled up? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On September 22 2025 19:59 Gorsameth wrote: Your going cloack wraiths, why does Barracks not have comsats to snipe observers And the occasional dark templar! | ||
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konadora
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Lazyer
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Highgamer
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Mini had big plans that game. Wouldn'd be satisfied with less than 4 bases. | ||
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Gorsameth
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On September 22 2025 20:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Even better mine!Nice scarab! | ||
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Lazyer
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That being said, the push after was so damn fast and so decisive. That's what I love to see from Barracks | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On September 22 2025 19:50 RogerChillingworth wrote: just got home. SCORE LOOKIN GOOD. that guy who said 4-2 barrack should seek professional help. STRONG meds bro. At this rate (if you double the current score), then that guy's prediction would actually be spot on. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On September 22 2025 20:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: At this rate (if you double the current score), then that guy's prediction would actually be spot on. indeed, thats how maths works. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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On September 22 2025 20:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: At this rate (if you double the current score), then that guy's prediction would actually be spot on. Oh we got Will Hunting in the chat. Srsly need to see Mini step it up. Gotta disturb this 2 base play. Mini's passive PvT is a bit anus atm. Need less Bruce Wayne, more Batman. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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All of them!? | ||
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TMNT
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konadora
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On September 22 2025 20:29 TMNT wrote: People should appreciate Snow's Reaver micro more. He made it (using Reavers to hold Terran pushes) look like standard PvT play but it's not. Best and Bisu don't even want to do it. Mini does it in a messy way. And that's it for Protoss players. It's like Snow's playing a different game. yeah a bad reaver start just sacrifices so much (upgrade, gateways, map control, army pressure) and losing reaver early just opens up to an easy counter rush snow's the only one who still does it so well and so consistently ultra high risk, high reward | ||
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On September 22 2025 20:34 konadora wrote: that was a godly zealot glitch jump LOL so clean that it totally flustered rax. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On September 22 2025 20:25 RogerChillingworth wrote: Oh we got Will Hunting in the chat. Srsly need to see Mini step it up. Gotta disturb this 2 base play. Mini's passive PvT is a bit anus atm. Need less Bruce Wayne, more Batman. Great movie. Also, I hope that Mini wins. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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BLinD-RawR
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it all adds up. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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also truly appreciate how good rax's targeting had been in fights where he's genuinely pretty good at just catching those reavers. | ||
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konadora
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if he had just 1 more base, he would have won this, but he was definitely playing on a timer gg what a slugfest | ||
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Gorsameth
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On September 22 2025 20:48 RowdierBob wrote: Yeah, if they were even somewhat even Mini would have been throwing the game hard.Mini has never been in danger of losing this game given the massive advantage he had. But it’s kinda concerning he’s having so much trouble closing it out. But its hard to lose 4v2 base | ||
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On September 22 2025 20:54 prosatan wrote: Please update the score !!!! I cannot watch read the op | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On September 22 2025 20:59 RowdierBob wrote: Have we seen 1 psi storm today? do we need to? its been all gas, no brakes from the jump | ||
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konadora
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On September 22 2025 20:59 SkelA wrote: Barracks seems like an one trick pony with timing pushes this series. Mini is falling apart on the micro. not really. he's just known to be a very aggro player, and will go for 1 base or 2 base rushes. but he is also pretty good with late game as well | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On September 22 2025 21:00 BLinD-RawR wrote: do we need to? its been all gas, no brakes from the jump With so much gas, you'd expect Protoss to make high templar  | ||
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konadora
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On September 22 2025 20:59 RowdierBob wrote: Have we seen 1 psi storm today? yep on Roaring Currents... towards the end of the game lol | ||
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TMNT
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He was obviously better against Queen and Effort in those series where he 4-0 or 4-1'd them, but BO luck was also on his side back then. | ||
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Uldridge
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Guess you're gonna have to farm a bit | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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On September 22 2025 21:05 Uldridge wrote: @Roger, you feeling the heat? LOL Guess you're gonna have to farm a bit my knuckles are white and my face is bright red | ||
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ScoutWBF
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If he doesn't get up that ramp, Barracks is toast | ||
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ScoutWBF
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Just WHY? | ||
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Gorsameth
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argh wtf lol | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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On September 22 2025 21:05 TMNT wrote: Just as usual. BO luck plays a bigger role than most people think in these series. Had Mini gone 12 Nexus in the two games he went forward Gate vs cross spawn Terran, the score would probably have been 4-1 by now and heavily masked his subpar play today. He was obviously better against Queen and Effort in those series where he 4-0 or 4-1'd them, but BO luck was also on his side back then. I was thinking about past years and the way the maps evolved while watching old series from MSL and Gomtv classic and i cant help but back then the maps were more open to skill expression and creativity. Modern maps have really stale the meta to the point that basically almost everymatchup is about what build order give and edge. Those guys are now so close in skill (When i say skill is the way the play with the standard maps we do have these days ) that what matter really is what build they go for. And the thing is im not sure how do you fix this and if you can even go back to try more interesting designs. Ofc im not talking about sparkle /third world. More like old school maps like Colosseum . Medusa. Harmony etc. Peaks of Baekdu | ||
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TMNT
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On September 22 2025 21:14 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: I was thinking about past years and the way the maps evolved while watching old series from MSL and Gomtv classic and i cant help but back then the maps were more open to skill expression and creativity. Modern maps have really stale the meta to the point that basically almost everymatchup is about what build order give and edge. Those guys are now so close in skill (When i say skill is the way the play with the standard maps we do have these days ) that what matter really is what build they go for. And the thing is im not sure how do you fix this and if you can even go back to try more interesting designs. Ofc im not talking about sparkle /third world. More like old school maps like Colosseum . Medusa. Harmony etc. Peaks of Baekdu Finally something we can agree on. | ||
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On September 22 2025 21:19 Lazyer wrote: LETS GO 2 BARRACKS What's better than Barracks?  | ||
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oxKnu
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On September 22 2025 21:13 oxKnu wrote: When you're dealing with an aggro player or plays you don't try to out-aggro the mf. Rule of the game! And when you ignore one of the basic rules of the games you lose! | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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Barracks vs Effort i put the house on Effort no doubt. Not only that i will go as far as Effort could legit win this ASL. | ||
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konadora
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the balls on this man | ||
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konadora
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On September 22 2025 21:21 RowdierBob wrote: This really opens the bracket up for Snow if he can beat effort. I like Rax but he can’t beat Snow in a bo7. Mini was definitely the easiest opponent in the Ro8 for Barracks Barracks has absolutely no chance against any of the other Ro8 players | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On September 22 2025 21:20 BLinD-RawR wrote: everyone who voted no is a hater who doesn't like when EVERYTHING goes right in a cheese. | ||
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On September 22 2025 21:21 konadora wrote: to go BBS after losing that cheese rush in the previous game the balls on this man flash probably told him straight up to BBS on radeon no matter what. | ||
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Gorsameth
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On September 22 2025 21:05 TMNT wrote: well he went 12 Nexus in the end.Just as usual. BO luck plays a bigger role than most people think in these series. Had Mini gone 12 Nexus in the two games he went forward Gate vs cross spawn Terran, the score would probably have been 4-1 by now and heavily masked his subpar play today. He was obviously better against Queen and Effort in those series where he 4-0 or 4-1'd them, but BO luck was also on his side back then. rofl | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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also who are these people chanting with the insane like laryngetical voice. i didn't know barracks had these fans. i guess the spirit of that BCS guy moves onto the semifinals. It's on mini tho. Dude should have crushed barracks with his buttcheeks. HARD GAME. | ||
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Lazyer
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On September 22 2025 21:21 BLinD-RawR wrote: everyone who voted no is a hater who doesn't like when EVERYTHING goes right in a cheese. 100% agree, it was a beautiful and tasty cheese | ||
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TMNT
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And just as I said this, another game where BO luck decides the fate of the players. Mini did forward gate and 12 nexus in all the wrong times today. If he didn't have BO luck in his series vs Queen back then, we'd never have people talk about how great his PvZ is. | ||
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Highgamer
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On September 22 2025 21:21 BLinD-RawR wrote: everyone who voted no is a hater who doesn't like when EVERYTHING goes right in a cheese. People who don't understand the difference between ladder and a proper competitive series, offline even. | ||
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konadora
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On September 22 2025 21:23 RogerChillingworth wrote: was that guy crying. lmao also who are these people chanting with the insane like laryngetical voice. i didn't know barracks had these fans. i guess the spirit of that BCS guy moves onto the semifinals. It's on mini tho. Dude should have crushed barracks with his buttcheeks. HARD GAME. there was a fan who was subbed to Barrack's stream for 2000+ days or something i can see the appeal of Barracks, he's always been known to be an aggro player so he's fun to watch if you don't like late game ultra-safe macro games | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On September 22 2025 21:24 konadora wrote: there was a fan who was subbed to Barrack's stream for 2000+ days or something i can see the appeal of Barracks, he's always been known to be an aggro player so he's fun to watch if you don't like late game ultra-safe macro games maybe some people just like him because he has a tiny head and babyfaced looks, you know those things matter to fans there. | ||
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SpaNiarD
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On September 22 2025 21:21 BLinD-RawR wrote: everyone who voted no is a hater who doesn't like when EVERYTHING goes right in a cheese. There is nothing interesting to see in there. One was greedy and the other one was cheesing, why bother people's time watching such a one-sided game? | ||
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Rainalcar
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Vs Snow he needs to play like today, all out agro. Vs Effort... It's tvz, he has a chance always. | ||
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oxKnu
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Mini is not a good defending player, he always thinks from the perspective of initiating the winning play, which is not always optimal. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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On September 22 2025 21:31 Rainalcar wrote: I'm glad for Barracks. Glad is the worst emotion. On September 22 2025 21:31 Rainalcar wrote: All in all, Mini had a bit less luck today, but I wouldn't call him a clearly superior player, In that case, never speak again. | ||
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TMNT
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Barracks is older than Flash. | ||
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rotta
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On September 22 2025 21:55 TMNT wrote: Also, a, reminder to anyone who may fall for the narrative that Artosis will no doubt push in his cast later about new up and coming Terrans: Barracks is older than Flash. Did Barracks play at all between 2013 and 2020? | ||
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prosatan
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On September 22 2025 21:19 Lazyer wrote: LETS GO 2 BARRACKS hahaha great comment !!!  also , my LB is going down | ||
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On September 22 2025 22:23 rotta wrote: Did Barracks play at all between 2013 and 2020? yes. He did. Got some replays of him dating to at least 2018. | ||
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Ideas
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On September 22 2025 21:23 TMNT wrote: And just as I said this, another game where BO luck decides the fate of the players. Mini did forward gate and 12 nexus in all the wrong times today. If he didn't have BO luck in his series vs Queen back then, we'd never have people talk about how great his PvZ is. Yea this is just the way mini plays in BoX series. He gambles a LOT and sometimes it pays off super well. Other times you get today. | ||
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On September 23 2025 01:45 iRkSupperman wrote: Liquipedia is wrong btw somebody should probly fix it Fixed it though it is pending review. | ||
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On September 22 2025 21:42 oxKnu wrote: Snow will not die to this stuff. The run ends next round for Barracks. Mini is not a good defending player, he always thinks from the perspective of initiating the winning play, which is not always optimal. Let's go snow. For Mini! | ||
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Sabu113
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If snow gets through effort. pvz is always dicey for anyone not Mini. Snow will murder barracks though, | ||
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Peeano
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Of all the builds you can choose you chose 12nex for final game? Where was your brain at? That B rank desperation probe pull was just beyond hilarious. | ||
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Just_a_Moth
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On September 23 2025 07:29 Peeano wrote: Rofl Mini. Of all the builds you can choose you chose 12nex for final game? Where was your brain at? That B rank desperatelion probe pull was just beyond hilarious. Yeah lol. I mean I am not surprised, but I think that was kind of an easy read for Barracks; 4 player map, final game, the 12nex is coming. | ||
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Barracks Barracks Barracks Barracks and + Show Spoiler + Barracks | ||
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On September 23 2025 08:38 Just_a_Moth wrote: Yeah lol. I mean I am not surprised, but I think that was kind of an easy read for Barracks; 4 player map, final game, the 12nex is coming. You guys are just talking from hindsight lol. It's just a total coin flip for both of them. If it works you're "ballsy" , if it doesn't you're "stupid". Same Mini who went 12 Nexus in game 7 to win his ASL against Rush. Same Mini who went center gate 9 9 in game 7 to lose his ASL against Larva. | ||
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Highgamer
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"Coinflip" implies that the outcome is 100% out of your hand once the coin is tossed, that there are only every two outcomes with 50%, when actually the probability varies a lot and the players' performance matters even in situations where the outcome seems very foreseeable. Even pros mess up in favorable scenarios sometimes. Nerves, willpower, concentration, fatigue etc. still come into play. In JinJin's translated videos I've seen Flash sometimes having interesting takes on certain decisions that a layman would regard as just risky or "ballsy" or "stupid", giving insight into hidden factors for the decision-making tied to map-layout, spawn-position, timings. Stuff that changes the risk-percentages that non-pros wouldn't even notice. | ||
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Uldridge
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On September 23 2025 15:12 Highgamer wrote: I think the proper term is "calculated risk", admittedly sometimes more "intuitive risk". "Coinflip" implies that the outcome is 100% out of your hand once the coin is tossed, that there are only every two outcomes with 50%, when actually the probability varies a lot and the players' performance matters even in situations where the outcome seems very foreseeable. Even pros mess up in favorable scenarios sometimes. Nerves, willpower, concentration, fatigue etc. still come into play. In JinJin's translated videos I've seen Flash sometimes having interesting takes on certain decisions that a layman would regard as just risky or "ballsy" or "stupid", giving insight into hidden factors for the decision-making tied to map-layout, spawn-position, timings. Stuff that changes the risk-percentages that non-pros wouldn't even notice. Just because your choice is based on "hidden factors" and mind games, doesn't make it less of a coinflip. Mini chose greedy econ, Barracks chose early all in. That it might be 60-40 or 70-30 in practice doesn't matter at all imo, only that instance counts because that's where the results have an actual implication. Maybe dice roll with succes from 3 and up would be something you prefer as an analogy. | ||
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Peeano
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On September 23 2025 14:36 TMNT wrote: You guys are just talking from hindsight lol. It's just a total coin flip for both of them. If it works you're "ballsy" , if it doesn't you're "stupid". Same Mini who went 12 Nexus in game 7 to win his ASL against Rush. Same Mini who went center gate 9 9 in game 7 to lose his ASL against Larva. I'm surely not. Literally when the game started I just knew Barracks would do some kind of early aggression. In fact I would have been surprised if it wasn't an all in, regardless of it being a 4 player map. Hence I ridicule Mini for his build order (and the series overall). Did you watch the full thing, game by game, TMNT? Sadly I couldn't watch live, but I skipped very little action and I was fully immersed when I had those thoughts. | ||
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Highgamer
1429 Posts
On September 23 2025 15:31 Uldridge wrote: Just because your choice is based on "hidden factors" and mind games, doesn't make it less of a coinflip. Mini chose greedy econ, Barracks chose early all in. That it might be 60-40 or 70-30 in practice doesn't matter at all imo, only that instance counts because that's where the results have an actual implication. Maybe dice roll with succes from 3 and up would be something you prefer as an analogy. Yes, rolling the dice is closer I think, but even then it's more complex to determine your win% because there are so many openings in BW. You choose an opening that that beats 1 easily, beats 2 narrowly, ties with 3, should lose against 4, lose hard against 5 and has almost no chance against 6. And this analogy also only ever fits for the opening-choice, not for the gameplay that follows (non-existent in coin flipping or dice rolling), where upsets can happen. | ||
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