[ASL20] Ro8 Day 1

On September 22 2025 12:41 BLinD-RawR wrote:
nothing is ever easy or a given for mini

On September 22 2025 17:09 Peeano wrote:
When was that hilarious PvT with Mini and some T at bottom right? I thought that was with Barracks? Maybe JyJ or Sharp?
Simplistik you must know what I'm talking about. Mini had top right base I believe. Mini essentially got owned by a push and then he played an insane refugee style PvT that he didn't end up winning despite all his efforts.

Anyway, more on topic here is S17 Ro16 Group B game 1: Mini vs Barracks:
https://vod.sooplive.co.kr/player/119488913?change_second=1606

On September 22 2025 19:50 RogerChillingworth wrote:
just got home. SCORE LOOKIN GOOD.
that guy who said 4-2 barrack should seek professional help. STRONG meds bro.

On September 22 2025 20:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Nice scarab!

On September 22 2025 20:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:


At this rate (if you double the current score), then that guy's prediction would actually be spot on.

On September 22 2025 20:29 TMNT wrote:
People should appreciate Snow's Reaver micro more. He made it (using Reavers to hold Terran pushes) look like standard PvT play but it's not. Best and Bisu don't even want to do it. Mini does it in a messy way. And that's it for Protoss players. It's like Snow's playing a different game.

On September 22 2025 20:48 RowdierBob wrote:
Mini has never been in danger of losing this game given the massive advantage he had. But it’s kinda concerning he’s having so much trouble closing it out.

On September 22 2025 20:59 SkelA wrote:
Barracks seems like an one trick pony with timing pushes this series. Mini is falling apart on the micro.

On September 22 2025 20:59 RowdierBob wrote:
Have we seen 1 psi storm today?

On September 22 2025 20:55 BLinD-RawR wrote:


read the op

On September 22 2025 21:05 Uldridge wrote:
@Roger, you feeling the heat? LOL
Guess you're gonna have to farm a bit

On September 22 2025 21:14 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:


I was thinking about past years and the way the maps evolved while watching old series from MSL and Gomtv classic and i cant help but back then the maps were more open to skill expression and creativity. Modern maps have really stale the meta to the point that basically almost everymatchup is about what build order give and edge. Those guys are now so close in skill (When i say skill is the way the play with the standard maps we do have these days ) that what matter really is what build they go for. And the thing is im not sure how do you fix this and if you can even go back to try more interesting designs. Ofc im not talking about sparkle /third world. More like old school maps like Colosseum . Medusa. Harmony etc. Peaks of Baekdu

On September 22 2025 21:19 Lazyer wrote:
LETS GO 2 BARRACKS

On September 22 2025 21:13 oxKnu wrote:
When you're dealing with an aggro player or plays you don't try to out-aggro the mf. Rule of the game!

On September 22 2025 21:21 RowdierBob wrote:
This really opens the bracket up for Snow if he can beat effort. I like Rax but he can’t beat Snow in a bo7.

On September 22 2025 21:05 TMNT wrote:
Just as usual. BO luck plays a bigger role than most people think in these series. Had Mini gone 12 Nexus in the two games he went forward Gate vs cross spawn Terran, the score would probably have been 4-1 by now and heavily masked his subpar play today.

He was obviously better against Queen and Effort in those series where he 4-0 or 4-1'd them, but BO luck was also on his side back then.

On September 22 2025 21:21 BLinD-RawR wrote:


everyone who voted no is a hater who doesn't like when EVERYTHING goes right in a cheese.

On September 22 2025 21:16 TMNT wrote:

Finally something we can agree on.

On September 22 2025 21:21 BLinD-RawR wrote:


everyone who voted no is a hater who doesn't like when EVERYTHING goes right in a cheese.

On September 22 2025 21:23 RogerChillingworth wrote:
was that guy crying. lmao
also who are these people chanting with the insane like laryngetical voice. i didn't know barracks had these fans.
i guess the spirit of that BCS guy moves onto the semifinals. It's on mini tho. Dude should have crushed barracks with his buttcheeks. HARD GAME.

On September 22 2025 21:31 Rainalcar wrote:
I'm glad for Barracks.

On September 22 2025 21:31 Rainalcar wrote:
All in all, Mini had a bit less luck today, but I wouldn't call him a clearly superior player,

On September 22 2025 21:19 Lazyer wrote:
LETS GO 2 BARRACKS

On September 22 2025 22:23 rotta wrote:

Did Barracks play at all between 2013 and 2020?

On September 22 2025 21:23 TMNT wrote:

And just as I said this, another game where BO luck decides the fate of the players.

Mini did forward gate and 12 nexus in all the wrong times today. If he didn't have BO luck in his series vs Queen back then, we'd never have people talk about how great his PvZ is.

On September 23 2025 01:45 iRkSupperman wrote:
Liquipedia is wrong btw somebody should probly fix it

On September 22 2025 21:42 oxKnu wrote:
Snow will not die to this stuff. The run ends next round for Barracks.

Mini is not a good defending player, he always thinks from the perspective of initiating the winning play, which is not always optimal.

On September 23 2025 06:37 mtcn77 wrote:

Let's go snow. For Mini!

On September 23 2025 07:29 Peeano wrote:
Rofl Mini.
Of all the builds you can choose you chose 12nex for final game? Where was your brain at? That B rank desperatelion probe pull was just beyond hilarious.

On September 23 2025 08:38 Just_a_Moth wrote:

Yeah lol. I mean I am not surprised, but I think that was kind of an easy read for Barracks; 4 player map, final game, the 12nex is coming.

On September 23 2025 15:12 Highgamer wrote:
I think the proper term is "calculated risk", admittedly sometimes more "intuitive risk".
"Coinflip" implies that the outcome is 100% out of your hand once the coin is tossed, that there are only every two outcomes with 50%, when actually the probability varies a lot and the players' performance matters even in situations where the outcome seems very foreseeable. Even pros mess up in favorable scenarios sometimes. Nerves, willpower, concentration, fatigue etc. still come into play.

In JinJin's translated videos I've seen Flash sometimes having interesting takes on certain decisions that a layman would regard as just risky or "ballsy" or "stupid", giving insight into hidden factors for the decision-making tied to map-layout, spawn-position, timings. Stuff that changes the risk-percentages that non-pros wouldn't even notice.

On September 23 2025 14:36 TMNT wrote:

You guys are just talking from hindsight lol. It's just a total coin flip for both of them. If it works you're "ballsy" , if it doesn't you're "stupid".

Same Mini who went 12 Nexus in game 7 to win his ASL against Rush.

Same Mini who went center gate 9 9 in game 7 to lose his ASL against Larva.

On September 23 2025 15:31 Uldridge wrote:


Just because your choice is based on "hidden factors" and mind games, doesn't make it less of a coinflip. Mini chose greedy econ, Barracks chose early all in. That it might be 60-40 or 70-30 in practice doesn't matter at all imo, only that instance counts because that's where the results have an actual implication.
Maybe dice roll with succes from 3 and up would be something you prefer as an analogy.

On September 24 2025 15:58 prototype. wrote:
surprising to see barracks advancing to ro4 but mini looked pretty weak even in the games he won

On September 24 2025 17:27 mtcn77 wrote:

It was a done deal after Roaring Currents. It is a bad outcome, but good for the ratings.

On September 24 2025 17:44 Gorsameth wrote:

How is it a bad outcome? Mini played bad simple as that.

Sure Snow will probably run over Barracks but the Mini we saw Monday isn't going to put up more of a fight either.

On September 24 2025 18:10 Phyanketto wrote:
Who's is the protoss hero now?

On September 24 2025 18:11 mtcn77 wrote:

I cannot take terran players seriously. You should give me a break. 2 proxy rax Bo7? Give me a break...

On September 24 2025 18:10 Phyanketto wrote:
Who's is the protoss hero now?

On September 23 2025 07:26 Sabu113 wrote:


If snow gets through effort. pvz is always dicey for anyone not Mini.

Snow will murder barracks though,

On September 24 2025 22:16 goody153 wrote:
Surpring series with no late game

Imo Mini got too greedy with builds. He's seen that Barracks was doing alot of timing attacks and aggression but he still went for it guess he was risking it but didnt pay off.




Bro what are you rambling about.

4 pool, 8 rax and proxy gate are all part of the game. Otherwise we end up with only macro games and early game planning and builds die lol

Mini risked a nexus first which usually puts advantage for the protoss vs T in most cases and he got punished cause Barracks also picked the right build. Barracks read it right and Mini got punished for it



Snow maybe ? Idk Best is pretty good too


Honestly if Snow makes it. Barracks is pretty screwed. I have not see anybody really beat Snow in a TvP in awhile. He's like almost perfected that matchup lol

On September 24 2025 18:11 mtcn77 wrote:

I cannot take terran players seriously. You should give me a break. 2 proxy rax Bo7? Give me a break...

On September 24 2025 23:30 RogueTheGOAT wrote:

What does it say about the Protoss player who lost to it?

On September 24 2025 22:35 goody153 wrote:

Interesting. Flash is basically Barracks coach

On September 24 2025 22:29 mtcn77 wrote:

Have you any nexus first games that worked? It is different than 3-Hatch. There is no surprise element in nexus first, the enemy has to be stupid to miss it.

On September 25 2025 01:27 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Flash always been mentoring Barracks actually. Even from the Kespa days i remember an interview or something where he told Barracks that he has the highest APM from every progamer but need to use it smarter lol.

On September 24 2025 22:35 goody153 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s_Dm1X-aDI

Interesting. Flash is basically Barracks coach

On September 25 2025 02:27 goody153 wrote:

Wdym have you seen nexus first games working ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9zQm-6TCZU

There is no better player in history than flash and dude is raging against it LOL why do you think it is a viable build lmao

I dont even play protoss and I know that shits a thing.

Also calling anybody who dont counter nexus first stupid why could you counter every nexus first that you run into lol. Are you better than flash ? or half the terran progamers who lose to it ?


It's kinda notable that Barracks mechanics is kinda good

On September 22 2025 21:55 TMNT wrote:
Also, a, reminder to anyone who may fall for the narrative that Artosis will no doubt push in his cast later about new up and coming Terrans:

Barracks is older than Flash.

On September 26 2025 19:37 Destroyer wrote:
Interestingly.. After this series Mini has switched from wide screen back to 4:3. Probably felt he need to change "something" into future and that is it for now.

On September 26 2025 19:47 TMNT wrote:

He always played in 4:3 before. Probably thinks since the switch to 16 his form has gone downhill, so back to 4:3 again.

On September 26 2025 19:47 TMNT wrote:

He always played in 4:3 before. Probably thinks since the switch to 16 his form has gone downhill, so back to 4:3 again.