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On May 06 2025 14:30 Simplistik wrote: Alternatively, imagine Rush winning this ASL by beating, in order SK, Snow and Light. That would be incredible. Then he would earn a credible ASL title! | ||
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How would it compare to Mind beating oov, Saviour and Bisu, or Flash beating Jaedong, Bisu and Stork? | ||
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On May 06 2025 16:46 Simplistik wrote: How would it compare to Mind beating oov, Saviour and Bisu, or Flash beating Jaedong, Bisu and Stork? Or Effort beating Flash - Last - Rain in playoff after beating Snow and SK in gruopstage | ||
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On May 06 2025 17:10 femtehjulet wrote: Or Effort beating Flash - Last - Rain in playoff after beating Snow and SK in gruopstage This is the perfect ASL run !  | ||
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On May 06 2025 17:10 femtehjulet wrote: Or Effort beating Flash - Last - Rain in playoff after beating Snow and SK in gruopstage That ASL was insane, good old days | ||
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On May 06 2025 18:52 Peeano wrote: I dunno, but at least it would be a whole lot more credible than the golds Rain, Royal and JYJ got lol royal has performed so poor in ASL after ... | ||
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On May 06 2025 19:11 Peeano wrote: ^But why would anyone watch a league player if you can watch the best zerg ever instead? Well Peeano ... Jaedong isn't playing today...   | ||
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On May 06 2025 19:42 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Rush is seems really bad at baiting out and micro against lurker spines lol Of course as I say this he does it great. | ||
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On May 06 2025 19:45 BLinD-RawR wrote: still a good redirect and getting a cancel on SK's 4th Really good not committed and still getting value. But Defilers out so all for not xD | ||
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On May 06 2025 19:47 BLinD-RawR wrote: one thing I really applaud SK is that he manages to keep his defilers back just enough to never get hit by irradiate for the risk of getting scourged For real, he gives no chance to pick them off. Under rated positional skill and map awareness to keep them alive this well. | ||
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On May 06 2025 19:50 gravity wrote: Rush was doing well but seems a bit indecisive now being very careful | ||
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On May 06 2025 19:54 Peeano wrote: I actually wonder why Rush made another Barracks instead of earlier factory. Was he that afraid of ling flood or so confident he can break the contain without tanks (like he did do). Yeah I was curious to see another barracks as well when he wasn't making any leeway. Was hoping for more drops or more tech units mixed in by then. | ||
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On May 06 2025 19:53 gravity wrote: Rush was controlling his army very well early but totally fell apart later game. Do pros ever get restore for their medics or is not worth it? I wish they'd at least repair the 1 hp Sci Vessels. On SK Terran you're so mechanically taxed & you need to stay active so it's hard to find time to repair. | ||
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On May 06 2025 20:05 Peeano wrote: Coulda been worth if he actually used target fire instead of spraying on attack move like a CS noob. I still doubt, you just can't dive in on a billion sunken like that. Getting SK to make that many is your damage at that point. | ||
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And now it's over. | ||
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On May 06 2025 20:18 RowdierBob wrote: Rush looks a bit overwhelmed tbh. much like this map, he's been in this place before. | ||
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That ultra and sunken hold gave me chills | ||
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On May 06 2025 20:26 Peeano wrote: If Rush wants a chance at advancing he HAS to win next game. Ah. Well, | ||
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move out with your small first group of marines | ||
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On May 06 2025 20:45 RowdierBob wrote: Soulkey just responding perfectly in every spot. he has the perfect scouting | ||
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I say this as a toss player and someone who rags on Arty all the time for balance whine, but man that is tough to deal with. | ||
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On May 06 2025 20:50 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Fr tho how does Terran deal with Dark Swarm? Defilers being able to consume and just mass them out instant is nastyy. Toss has storm at least so if they clump under it they can get wiped. Terran got nothing T.T Firebats, but even then it's not ideal. Especially with Rush going mech | ||
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On May 06 2025 13:31 NoS-Craig wrote: I'll be shocked if Rush manages to pull this off. Predicting SoulKey 4-1. You nailed it | ||
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That's how good Soulkey played here. Textbook TvZ right there. | ||
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I don't see any chance | ||
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On May 06 2025 20:50 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Fr tho how does Terran deal with Dark Swarm? Defilers being able to consume and just mass them out instant is nastyy. Toss has storm at least so if they clump under it they can get wiped. Terran got nothing T.T I say this as a toss player and someone who rags on Arty all the time for balance whine, but man that is tough to deal with. They have to get ahead before it. And vessels to snipe Defilers, retreat army to safety then push again after the clouds disappear. | ||
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On May 06 2025 20:53 Zergxhx wrote: Who can stop SK? Snow? Light? Best? I don't see any chance Wait for next season when Flash joins :^) | ||
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On May 06 2025 20:53 Zergxhx wrote: Who can stop SK? Snow? Light? Best? I don't see any chance Very unlikely indeed | ||
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On May 06 2025 22:08 Simplistik wrote: On the plus side, this feels like the correct four players made it to the semis. yeah it does. although best is slumping a tad bit. sk, light, and snow have occupies the top 3 elo rating for most of the past 2-3 years. Best his PvT actually looks weaker than usual right now. heblost the last 4 best of sets vs terran, including vs a rusty Ample. | ||
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On May 06 2025 22:20 Uldridge wrote: Snow shines when he can prepare, so while he's not favored, he can absolutely go toe to toe vs SK. Light has always been a TvZ specialist, so he should be able as well... but he's also (still?) a bit of a choker. Not really. Snow has always been way more dominant online, without preparation, and relies on his insane micro and management rather than strategic planning. He can definitely beat SK but I would give him a way higher chance in an online sponbang than ASL. | ||
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On May 06 2025 20:53 Zergxhx wrote: Who can stop SK? Snow? Light? Best? I don't see any chance Light's TvZ was pretty brutal against Jaedong. | ||
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On May 06 2025 20:53 Zergxhx wrote: Who can stop SK? Snow? Light? Best? I don't see any chance Was it any different before this series? Rush was supposed to stop him? | ||
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On May 06 2025 20:50 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Fr tho how does Terran deal with Dark Swarm? Defilers being able to consume and just mass them out instant is nastyy. Toss has storm at least so if they clump under it they can get wiped. Terran got nothing T.T I say this as a toss player and someone who rags on Arty all the time for balance whine, but man that is tough to deal with. I mean in normal tvz, terran has like 12 vessels that free kills with 75 energy. It's equivalent to zerg having 24 queens. If artosis would play zerg, he would complain about vessels all day. | ||
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On May 07 2025 03:55 Ideas wrote: Soulkey's scouting and reactions are so insanely good. After game 1 rush couldn't do anything without SK knowing about it and having the perfect response. Soulkey also has an insane level of optimization in how he places and moves his units. For example when he went in to take down one of Rush's expos, forgot which game it was, he perfectly aligned all his hydras and lings to instantly maximize damage efficiency, but also to cut off the Rush's escape path and reinforcement path. No other zerg ever does these things with this level of attention to optimization for every single scenario. timestamped | ||
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On May 06 2025 20:53 Zergxhx wrote: Who can stop SK? Snow? Light? Best? I don't see any chance Light has the best chance. Has the strongest TvZ and has beaten Soulkey plenty of times on ladder | ||
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Poor Rush. | ||
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On May 07 2025 14:54 Highways wrote: Light has the best chance. Has the strongest TvZ and has beaten Soulkey plenty of times on ladder they dont rlly meet on ladder. they almost exlusively meet in proleague or sponsored matches/events | ||
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On May 07 2025 18:44 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: they dont rlly meet on ladder. they almost exlusively meet in proleague or sponsored matches/events | ||
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I honestly don't know if Soulkey can be stopped. I personally don't think his ZvP is too hot but both Snow and Best don't seem like the kind of candidates who can beat him. I think Light has the best chances but Soulkey's ZvT looks insane with his defense being almost impenetrable. It's usually not something I say for TvZ, especially when Light is involved, but I think it's going to be an uphill battle for Light in this case. | ||
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In the past 4 ASL's (including this one), he has only played 3 matches against Zergs. Hero where he won 4-3 Hero again where he won 2-1 And Calm where he lost 0-1 That's 6-5 in ZvZs with only a winning rec over Hero and it's just barely a winning record. Obviously this way worst than his ZvT and ZvP records which are ridiculous. Obviously he is great ZvZ and can go toe to toe with anyone but it is his worst MU by a mile (boasting 51% lifetime win rate in it) and he's somehow primarily faced only Protoss' and Terrans on his way to such dominance. I guess it helps when you get the last group switch every year but still, it's pretty fortunate for him. Side note: I think the luckiest ASL run was RoyaL's run (not saying SK's is lucky, he's clearly the best right now). But RoyaL literally avoided every Protoss all tournament and just cheesed the fuck out of every Zerg and Terran on his way to a title lol. It was a title run that made me feel gross watching. | ||
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On May 08 2025 06:01 G5 wrote: What's wild to think about is how SoulKey has somehow avoided Zergs for the most part on this potential 4-peat run and ZvZ does seem to be his weakest match up. In the past 4 ASL's (including this one), he has only played 3 matches against Zergs. Hero where he won 4-3 Hero again where he won 2-1 And Calm where he lost 0-1 That's 6-5 in ZvZs with only a winning rec over Hero and it's just barely a winning record. Obviously this way worst than his ZvT and ZvP records which are ridiculous. Obviously he is great ZvZ and can go toe to toe with anyone but it is his worst MU by a mile (boasting 51% lifetime win rate in it) and he's somehow primarily faced only Protoss' and Terrans on his way to such dominance. I guess it helps when you get the last group switch every year but still, it's pretty fortunate for him. Side note: I think the luckiest ASL run was RoyaL's run (not saying SK's is lucky, he's clearly the best right now). But RoyaL literally avoided every Protoss all tournament and just cheesed the fuck out of every Zerg and Terran on his way to a title lol. It was a title run that made me feel gross watching. Royal didnt only cheese. he also won some legit standard games vs the best zergs | ||
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