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Calgary25998 Posts
Coming seemingly out of the blue, the StarCraft Superstars tournament was announced nearly two months ago - It boasted that the winner would receive, among other things, the chance to room, train with, and become a part of the Korean StarCraft team E-Stro. A rather strange format, especially when considering what was at stake. No qualifications were held; sixteen players were chosen to participate in a double elimination tournament, with the winner taking $500. E-Stro was then to choose a player from the top 5 to become a part of their roster. The top five also got the priviledge of playing (getting trounced by) the Korean E-Stro players.
And that player is none other than IdrA, who dropped only a single game in this tournament. Love him or not, you have got to give him credit for this win, and this opportunity to be one of the few American players to join the ranks of a professional StarCraft team.
Because of the delayed results, there was some concern that E-Stro would back out of taking a player to Korea. IdrA is, however, currently scheduled to move to Korea after finishing the winter semester of high school. He also mentioned the possibility of taking the GED rather than finishing this year, meaning he could be in Korea as soon as January. He says that he does intend to take progaming seriously, and will delay college if necessary. He added that Daniel Lee (The E-Stro coach) "is very understanding of a kid with a dream, so as long as I don't make absolutely no progress, I'll probably be able to stay as long as I want. But if I realize I'm not gonna do anything and I'm just taking up space, I won't prolong it."
On the whole, he said the tournament wasn't too hard, which is to be expected when going 10-1, but did attribute some of his wins against Skew to getting lucky with initial build orders. He will switch from PvT to TvT once he makes the move to Korea. Since he already plays TvP, he says his mechanics are strong, but he currently lacks game sense in this matchup. IdrA said it's hard to get good TvT practice, as foreigners rarely play the matchup, and it's not worthwhile staying up until 3AM to practice with Koreans. He closed with "I figure all of my matchups blow compared to the progamers so it wont be that big of a deal."
Congratulations to IdrA, and good luck in Korea!
Replays: http://www.e-stro.com/rep/StarcraftSuperStars.zip
Bracket: http://www.binarybeast.com/?ID=xBW071014A
Previous Thread: http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=60853
Missing Replay: http://rapidshare.com/files/74987246/0994_soyeonWHITE_IdrA.rep.html
IdrA's Route to Korea:
IdrA > Skew [2-0]
IdrA > G5 [2-0]
IdrA > Nony [2-0]
IdrA > Dino [2-1]
IdrA > Skew [3-0] (Starting 1-0 from Winner's Bracket)
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Congrats Idra, and best of luck over there. Even if you don't cut it, the experience should still be awesome.
but in all seriousness go kick some ass for america
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
i don't know if he can succeed where draco did not, but we can hope !!
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United States20661 Posts
Goodluck to him ^^;
Regardless of whether or not he's a likeable guy, I hope he is able to improve in Korea.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
PuertoRican says:
yo
Dan says:
yo
PuertoRican says:
can you unban me for one minute so i can post this final supserstars news, then re-ban me?
it's just a 2 day day ban, but i've had this news for a day, and someone saw the estro site already.
PuertoRican says:
or is that bad to do that
Dan says:
Have some patience.
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not graduating and getting a GED is one of the the most stupid things you could do.
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Korea (South)11596 Posts
will we see idra chilling with rek in the future?
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On December 07 2007 07:41 CultureMisfits wrote:
not graduating and getting a GED is one of the the most stupid things you could do.
a little qualifier that wasnt added, i'll only do that if the college i get accepted to/intend to go to is ok with it.
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Korea (South)11596 Posts
Im sure the college would think you'd rather play video games than go and get an education, and therefore not accept you.
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if you have a good gpa/sat scores does it even matter if you get a ged instead of a diploma?
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
uh its not really him "going and playing a video game" its him going to another country and playing professionally. Colleges would probably view that kind of a thing with high regard as he is extremely unique and can bring fame to a university. But even if that isnt true I just think characterizing it as "playing a video game" grossly underestimates the magnitude of this honor. Dropping out of a term of highschool to do something few can ever do is not stupid. It'd be stupid to miss this oppurtunity to see a new part of the world and play the game he loves professionally in the name of maintaining his proliteriate life and droning on like so many sheep.
Oh and GL greg. You will really grow as a gamer if nothing else  That being said I expect you to play me still AND get me games with some professionals.
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
i posted a very professional final news made by puertorican but chill decided to delete it. thank god i didnt also try to do the whos who iccup thread. wouldn't want to get life banned for my CRIMES.
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United States22883 Posts
On December 07 2007 07:45 CaucasianAsian wrote:
Im sure the college would think you'd rather play video games than go and get an education, and therefore not accept you. Doubtful. If the college is willing to accept him as is, I'm sure they'd be more than glad to defer his admission while he plays professionally in another country.
It's not as if he's saying, "I'm going to wait a year so I can sit on my couch and play Halo 3."
gl hf
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
Good luck IdrA. Don't mention me elky or giyom to Daniel if you know whats good for you. If after sometime you feel alone, bored, and desperate I can show you path of night.....but you know where that leads.
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
On December 07 2007 07:45 CaucasianAsian wrote:
Im sure the college would think you'd rather play video games than go and get an education, and therefore not accept you.
lmao
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Calgary25998 Posts
On December 07 2007 07:54 Artosis3 wrote:
i posted a very professional final news made by puertorican but chill decided to delete it. thank god i didnt also try to do the whos who iccup thread. wouldn't want to get life banned for my CRIMES.
hehe this is like the "dont taze me bro" guy. Theyre going to fucking kill me, ask questions! Ask where that guy is!
If I really wanted to hold you down, I would delete your post and THEN ban you. :X
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
You know I was being nice to PR for some random reason and agreed to move the post to news for him but I just felt dirty seeing artosis's name go on the news page. Thanks for cleaning up the mess I made Chill.
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
chill thats twice now that i strongly disagree with the way you are admining. dont compare me to some idiot just because i call you on it. rick was waiting for the eSTRO new site to go up. he was acting professionally. rick has a long history of hosting events. i see no reason to hijack a news he should make and then delete it when it gets out there.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
because we are impatient and peurtorican telling us to be patient just makes us more impatient.
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Nvm, bets of luck IdrA. =]
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
oic. so considering its pretty big news why dont we let the guy who ran the event and did all the dirty work throughout post his news?
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Valhalla18444 Posts
*dt drops this thread, artosis frowns*
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On December 07 2007 08:05 Artosis3 wrote:
oic. so considering its pretty big news why dont we let the guy who ran the event and did all the dirty work throughout post his news?
I believe he's banned right now
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On December 07 2007 08:04 Rekrul wrote:
because we are impatient and peurtorican telling us to be patient just makes us more impatient.
Doesnt matter if you are impatient, TL.net can be respectful. This event was put on by PR. He should announce the conclusion. Deleting the voice of the host and making one yourself is disrespectful and rude..
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
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Calgary25998 Posts
On December 07 2007 08:01 Artosis3 wrote:
chill thats twice now that i strongly disagree with the way you are admining. dont compare me to some idiot just because i call you on it. rick was waiting for the eSTRO new site to go up. he was acting professionally. rick has a long history of hosting events. i see no reason to hijack a news he should make and then delete it when it gets out there.
See, what you just posted there is what a rational person would have posted. I can read that and realize I'm going to have to wait for the E-Stro site to be done. I also think holding onto replays for over a month is ridiculous. Just upload them somewhere for the time being and then you can post the news and replays elsewhere after the site is ready.
"Be patience" or "worrying about it will only make it seem longer" is something you tell a group of children to get them to stop bothering you. PR doesn't have to worry about us bothering him any more.
I'd prefer to continue this via PM, as apparently all I can do today is derail threads.
Seriously, good luck Idra! I hope you get some broadcasted games, that would be awesome.
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Korea (South)11596 Posts
On December 07 2007 07:51 {88}iNcontroL wrote:uh its not really him "going and playing a video game" its him going to another country and playing professionally. Colleges would probably view that kind of a thing with high regard as he is extremely unique and can bring fame to a university. But even if that isnt true I just think characterizing it as "playing a video game" grossly underestimates the magnitude of this honor. Dropping out of a term of highschool to do something few can ever do is not stupid. It'd be stupid to miss this oppurtunity to see a new part of the world and play the game he loves professionally in the name of maintaining his proliteriate life and droning on like so many sheep. Oh and GL greg. You will really grow as a gamer if nothing else That being said I expect you to play me still AND get me games with some professionals.
As much as I'm glad to see another foreigner in the Korean professional scene, and how much I'm really into it myself, I just can't see an Office of Admission accepting a player who dropped out of high school to get his GED, move across the world to play a computer game.
I use the term playing a video game, as opposed to professionally master the techniques of strategy, mechanics, etc... of a renown sport. It's because in the United States, those who play video games a lot are still being put down as something like fat nerds who are cheeto covered and zit faced.
The honor of going to Korea is grandeur, and I strongly support Idra in doing so, however the fact still lies that he is just playing a video game. University admission offices, I hugely doubt, will see someone who they accepted, only to not finish graduating, getting a GED and claiming to play a video game in Korea. What would their response be? It's obviously not my call, but I still can foresee something like a letter stating that since he did not graduate, and got his GED, they will have to re-review his admission, and make it harder to get accepted.
EDIT: inc, I like the song in your sig (short stories with tragic endings), been listening it on my playlist for such a long time.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
All I can say is Caucasianasian notice the difference between your assertions and what actually happens when IdrA does obtain his GED and still gets into a great college. There are these things called conditions, and the condition of IdrA's situation is far and away unique and seperate from the "fat zit faced nerd" who would drop out of HS to "play video games." You seem to fail to address one of the main premises to my other post, that is that IdrA's situation is extremely unique and profitable. I would imagine the 3-4 colleges (or less) that he applies to have NEVER had a student explain to them the reason for not completing the last term of an otherwise stellar HS academic run being a professional gaming stint in another country. And yes, they will be made aware of these conditions.
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most schools allow you to defer admission, doubt the reason really matters.
getting a ged could be a sticking point, which is why im not gonna do it until i know the school accepts it.
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Good luck to you IdrA! enjoy yourself over there, i know i would.
edit: err.. if it even happens, i have no idea how all this GED, college, semester, terms blabla etc. works.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On December 07 2007 08:19 CaucasianAsian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 07:51 {88}iNcontroL wrote:uh its not really him "going and playing a video game" its him going to another country and playing professionally. Colleges would probably view that kind of a thing with high regard as he is extremely unique and can bring fame to a university. But even if that isnt true I just think characterizing it as "playing a video game" grossly underestimates the magnitude of this honor. Dropping out of a term of highschool to do something few can ever do is not stupid. It'd be stupid to miss this oppurtunity to see a new part of the world and play the game he loves professionally in the name of maintaining his proliteriate life and droning on like so many sheep. Oh and GL greg. You will really grow as a gamer if nothing else That being said I expect you to play me still AND get me games with some professionals. As much as I'm glad to see another foreigner in the Korean professional scene, and how much I'm really into it myself, I just can't see an Office of Admission accepting a player who dropped out of high school to get his GED, move across the world to play a computer game. I use the term playing a video game, as opposed to professionally master the techniques of strategy, mechanics, etc... of a renown sport. It's because in the United States, those who play video games a lot are still being put down as something like fat nerds who are cheeto covered and zit faced. The honor of going to Korea is grandeur, and I strongly support Idra in doing so, however the fact still lies that he is just playing a video game. University admission offices, I hugely doubt, will see someone who they accepted, only to not finish graduating, getting a GED and claiming to play a video game in Korea. What would their response be? It's obviously not my call, but I still can foresee something like a letter stating that since he did not graduate, and got his GED, they will have to re-review his admission, and make it harder to get accepted. EDIT: inc, I like the song in your sig (short stories with tragic endings), been listening it on my playlist for such a long time.
Incontrol is pretty much spot on. While what you say is true still in America, this is completely different. If you look the admissions people right in the eye and explain to them confidently that you're going to another country to pursue your dream as a professional gamer, they will be incredibly intrigued. I still talk about starcraft to whatever randoms I might meet when I go back to the states, even fucking girls. I have never ever ever gotten a negative response, and they are always interested as fuck.
But if it's all done through writing then it might be a bit harder. Also no idea how ready IdrA is to proudly exclaim to the world that he's a pro-gamer.
Last time I was in the states I was at a bar/party with my brother, and I was being a loser drinking alone on the wall at one point, and this girl that I felt was out of my league came up to me and was like..."hey whats wrong?" I was like "Well normally I would have fun but I live in Korea playing video games, so even if I did manage to pickup a girl I have no car, I have no place to stay, and I don't even know this city well enough to find a fucken motel 8...plus my mom is picking me up early tomorrow morning to go to the airport....so it's pretty much pointless to try or care tonight." Which henceforth sprung a long conversation about starcraft, videogames, korea, and how nerds end up owning the world then I realized I was pretty much in her pants.
Until I realized the very line I used to start the conversation and get her interest was fucking true. Whoops : (
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Only one of IdrA vs the pro in this pack 
Btw, that he looked kinda beastly. Maxing at like 13min or so, IdrA did really well to get a gg out of him. Well played, wish constant practise with top class players, you can improve so fast. I hope you still visit TL.net when your in korea, tell us what its like etc. Again, gl.
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Good luck Idra.
In the meantime what colleges have you applied to?
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Goodluck IdrA and above all enjoy the experience! Don't forget to ask UpMagiC the secrets to Terran sexiness while you're there
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Braavos36399 Posts
On December 07 2007 08:19 CaucasianAsian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 07:51 {88}iNcontroL wrote:uh its not really him "going and playing a video game" its him going to another country and playing professionally. Colleges would probably view that kind of a thing with high regard as he is extremely unique and can bring fame to a university. But even if that isnt true I just think characterizing it as "playing a video game" grossly underestimates the magnitude of this honor. Dropping out of a term of highschool to do something few can ever do is not stupid. It'd be stupid to miss this oppurtunity to see a new part of the world and play the game he loves professionally in the name of maintaining his proliteriate life and droning on like so many sheep. Oh and GL greg. You will really grow as a gamer if nothing else That being said I expect you to play me still AND get me games with some professionals. As much as I'm glad to see another foreigner in the Korean professional scene, and how much I'm really into it myself, I just can't see an Office of Admission accepting a player who dropped out of high school to get his GED, move across the world to play a computer game. I use the term playing a video game, as opposed to professionally master the techniques of strategy, mechanics, etc... of a renown sport. It's because in the United States, those who play video games a lot are still being put down as something like fat nerds who are cheeto covered and zit faced. The honor of going to Korea is grandeur, and I strongly support Idra in doing so, however the fact still lies that he is just playing a video game. University admission offices, I hugely doubt, will see someone who they accepted, only to not finish graduating, getting a GED and claiming to play a video game in Korea. What would their response be? It's obviously not my call, but I still can foresee something like a letter stating that since he did not graduate, and got his GED, they will have to re-review his admission, and make it harder to get accepted.
I'm guessing you're not on a college admissions committee, so I doubt you are an expert on them or how they measure kids. Are you suggesting that the college admissions process is materially influenced by stereotypes of video gamers, about things like physical appearance or because video games are "put down"? That's pretty ridiculous. You really think colleges look at your admissions file and give two shits about whether your hobbies make you look cool?
If Idra has a good SAT and GPA up to when he left (I'm assuming he only has 1 semester left given his birthdate), I really doubt the issue will make a difference. They have 90% of your grades to look at. Even if it does influence an admissions board, it'll be the OTHER way, as it'll make him stand out rather than hurt him.
Frankly, I don't think you have any clue about what colleges look at when they consider kids for college. Making a statement like "I don't see how any college would accept you after this" is just ridiculously broad and ignorant, not to mention very likely wrong.
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good luck idra
i wish u the best
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
First thing Daniel will say to u is that u need a fucken hair cut, guaranteed!
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I agree with CaucasianAsian. Greg obtaining his GED instead of a diploma could have a profound impact on his acceptance to the college. To a college, it looks bad that he couldn't finish one semester of high school, and to top it off, it was for a computer game. Personally, I do not see Greg's decision as a bad one. However, the truth is the system is ignorant, shallow and to the point. Colleges will see video games and GED, and will automatically have a negative outlook.
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... learn to read
i wouldnt take a GED until i found out of if the college im going to go to was ok with it.
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now im #idras fan!! hehehe lets go cheer for him!! 1,2,3 gogoggo foreigner hearth!!!
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On December 07 2007 09:09 IdrA wrote:
... learn to read
i wouldnt take a GED until i found out of if the college im going to go to was ok with it.
I was merely providing a counter argument to the opinions of many posters in the thread. It was more of a hypothetical situation. I saw that you were only going to get a GED if you got permission from the college.
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I just realized Idra's my age.. and he's doing something I would never do
Good luck Idra, you better win a televised match before coming back
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Some of you really need to learn how to mind your own fucking business.
And good luck, Idra.
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Fuck just wrote a long post and deleted it T_T;
summary of what I wrote.
1) Schools look at more than just GPA and SAT, they want a unique student body. Being a progamer is something that makes Idra stand out of the crowd, because it is a mathematical certainty that thousands of kids have the exact same GPA and SAT scores no matter what his are. So Idra has a huge plus now that nobody else can claim
2) Most schools are flexible once you've been admitted. I got into a school that I couldn't afford to go to at the time, and they agreed to let me in the next year once my financial situation improved.
3) Your first semester of senior year is your last "official" semester as far as colleges are concerned. What happens 2nd semester doesnt get factored into your GPA... colleges just expect you to maintain your current grades 2nd semester (if yo udick around and fail all your classes, your admissions could get cancelled). So Idra can probably work something out to either take the GED or come to some other agreement.
All in all, Idra is going to be fine, and probably get into wherever hes applied to assuming hes a good student, which it seems like he probably is.
PS. what college are you hoping to get into Idra?
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United States1655 Posts
Good luck man, be sure to tell us about your experience!
Win games and win some girls too!
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Korea (South)11596 Posts
On December 07 2007 09:09 IdrA wrote:
... learn to read
i wouldnt take a GED until i found out of if the college im going to go to was ok with it.
Well that's good. congrats on the tournament, and good luck.
I know I'm ignorant in the course of how colleges accept students. But it's still just like 4 months left until graduation (if that) and he decides to drop out and get a GED?
Maybe finishing high school online is a choice with you (it is with the school I go to) if the colleges won't accept a GED or you dropping out.
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
Best of luck Idra!
We shall soon be seeing this on eStro's website :p
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
I CANT wait for the pictures of greg with metro clothing and makeup. I will laugh with the fury of a thousand suns when this happens. Greg just sold his dignity for the best training in a dying game possible
er gl again.. seriously. But those pictures WILL be mine!
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Congrats Idra, gl in korea~
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thedeadhaji
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Baltimore, USA22259 Posts
Hahahhaha, manner plz...
GL HF Idra
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That pic cracks me up everytime.
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iNcontroL
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What that hell picture is that anyways? O_o
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
White guy on left is Leg. White guy on right is Rekrul - pic from when they were playing in Korea. Not sure who middle guy is.
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Best of luck to you IdrA ! Shake UpMagiC's hand for me
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On December 07 2007 12:50 Kennigit wrote:
White guy on left is Leg. White guy on right is Rekrul - pic from when they were playing in Korea. Not sure who middle guy is.
The Korean is ArtOfTerran. The Hexatron team was doing modeling for a shopping mall called Renaissance.
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Good luck Idra! I hope you can work out the GED thing with the college. Good luck with that as well.
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You're not my favorite people but I wish you the best of luck IdrA! Show 'em how it's done!
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Wow, JF vs Sea.Really on Tau Cross was pretty well played on JF's part 
EDIT: Same with IdrA vs soyeon[white] on Tau
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Props and goodluck idra. On the offtopic of him not finishing highschool it doesn't matter at all. He can do 1 of 4 things: A)take his GED, B)forget about it and college, C)Take a smart kid test(similar to GED but better in most circumstances. In CA we have the CHSPE, I took it junior year), or D) finish the last semester of highschool in some nightschool (Sally Struthers ya'll) with other adults and get his diploma.
PS- The only problem I've ever had with the CHSPE certif. is when I tried to sign up for the air force. Since it is a government thing its different requirements than most things. All I had to do though was get like 50 credits/units in college and it was avoided.
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Dunno why, but I think IdrA should change his hairstyle... =)
All in all, congrats dude and best of luck Greg !
+ Show Spoiler +Show UpMagic how to pwn JaeDong next time =P
Be better than NaDa and pwn that Cool[fOu] guy too ^_^;
Cant wait to see ya on the eStro's bench in ProLeague =]
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good luck mate.. hope you do well over there
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is awesome32278 Posts
Good luck Idra, hope you can get some games on TV :D
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Calgary25998 Posts
Can you imagine how sick it would be to see Idra in a PL game? Fuck....
Idra if you ever win a game, please show some emotion, rather than the standard stand up and give some limp-wristed high fives -_-
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I just watched some of the reps. I enjoyed them. They put op a good fight.
One of my friends once asked me why SC progamers show no emotion at all. I guess we are used to football(soccer) players going absolutely apenuts while the game is still going on after scoring.
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Maybe theyll send Idra out vs ACE or something like WeMade did with By.Sun to give him some air time.
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ArtOfTerran was in the IdrA replay.
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Make sure you advertise TL.net to the whole team =D
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can someone explain why only one of the games of idra v korean protoss was in the reppack? was this an accident or on purpose
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On December 08 2007 03:38 rushz0rz wrote:
ArtOfTerran was in the IdrA replay.
Well he is working as an assisting coach for Estro so it makes sense
And GL Idra, really hope you succed.
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k cool thx idra...i know we have our differences but GL IN KOREA REPRESENT USA-A~~
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Good Luck in Korea Idra. Hope you won't get lonely as the only white boy there =). By the way, hows your Korean? And if you'll do 1 favor for me, please smack Tester while your there XD.
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good luck idra, hopefully you'll try harder than others before you  i wanna see a nonkorean at the OSL again :[
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On December 07 2007 10:51 IdrA wrote: cant wait
Rek, Peter... dawg are you serious? Hahahahahaha
edit: Pls dont ban me
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