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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
On March 04 2024 22:30 nyoken wrote: I got some error while streaming and it wouldn't let me reconnect. It affected the Spanish SCTV stream too, so hopefully this will be resolved by tomorrow. Nyoken I love you | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4161 Posts
On March 04 2024 21:37 TMNT wrote: I mean you don't need to watch Ro24 to predict that. Meanwhile I think that's it for Zerg this tournament. 3 guys in Ro16. Don't think Beast or Shine will make it in. Soulkey's prophecy is true: after Soma's gone to the military, it'st just him carrying the race. Lmao had Action actually retired we'd be looking at 2 Zergs in Ro16... Shine is 50/50 imo, but yeah the scene is getting smaller and smaller | ||
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Sonic_md
Moldova278 Posts
enough , from last 2 groups will be qualiffied only Z/P | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10391 Posts
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Comedy
469 Posts
Someone already said mutalisk but I think going mutalisk long after protoss switched to goons isn't necessarily a winning play. 1 storm + shots from 15 goons and mutas can be negated more easily at that point. Just lack of macro is why he lost? | ||
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RogerChillingworth
Chad3132 Posts
I really hate bo1. | ||
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Xeln4g4
Italy1209 Posts
On March 04 2024 22:30 nyoken wrote: I got some error while streaming and it wouldn't let me reconnect. It affected the Spanish SCTV stream too, so hopefully this will be resolved by tomorrow. i'll be watching, great cast as usual! | ||
Bonyth
Poland598 Posts
On March 05 2024 06:40 Comedy wrote: jaedong legitimately looked like the 2nd best zerg after soulkey for months already in proleague. Him losing the way he did to shuttle is such a shock. I don't know what happend. He seemed to have a solid opening ZvP but then just rolled over to a big 2 base push. Anyone have any thoughts on what went wrong? Someone already said mutalisk but I think going mutalisk long after protoss switched to goons isn't necessarily a winning play. 1 storm + shots from 15 goons and mutas can be negated more easily at that point. Just lack of macro is why he lost? losing first lurkers for half-free, bad arc, a good group of units missing in fight (was near the bridge) | ||
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ruhtraeel
Canada131 Posts
Gypsy had two big points that I've agreed with for a ton of seasons now 1. Every fan and progamer hates on Shuttle, but he's sneakily one of the most consistent pros, making Ro.16 fairly frequently, with pretty darn solid matchups all around (especially PvZ). Sure, he's not going to win an ASL anytime soon, but I specifically remember games in S11 where he was taking games off Zero a couple of seasons ago, back when Zero was in his prime. 2. Jyj has been consistently underrated until he won his ASL. He really made me notice how strong he was when he took out Bisu twice (even though Bisu's PvT is his weakest matchup), and then barely lost to Zero in ASL 10, even though his timings and control were super on point. IMO he's more well rounded and consistent than Royal, aside from that one season when Royal somehow literally looked like Flash the entire season I feel bad for Jaedong. I think this was the season where he could have finally showed off that he's capable of playing the macro game instead of being overly aggressive like he usually is, but the games ended too quickly for him to show it off Not really sure what to think about TY. One cheese game that can't really be evaluated on; mechanics look solid (400+ APM the entire time, fastest Terran I've seen), but timings and positioning don't quite seem up to the level of perennial ASL players I think he has more potential than someone like Ssak, because he can learn the meta builds and timings, whereas Ssak struggles even spending his resources in a macro TvZ game | ||
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Smorrie
Netherlands2932 Posts
On March 05 2024 06:40 Comedy wrote: jaedong legitimately looked like the 2nd best zerg after soulkey for months already in proleague. Him losing the way he did to shuttle is such a shock. I don't know what happend. He seemed to have a solid opening ZvP but then just rolled over to a big 2 base push. Anyone have any thoughts on what went wrong? Someone already said mutalisk but I think going mutalisk long after protoss switched to goons isn't necessarily a winning play. 1 storm + shots from 15 goons and mutas can be negated more easily at that point. Just lack of macro is why he lost? He tried to contain him too far down in that narrow pass on the map, making it impossible to have good surrounds or have flexible escape routes. He might have felt confident to do so anyway (since everything seemed to go according to plan so far) & his 4th base also being far out making it harder to defend when taking defensive positions. I don't think mutas were the answer there either - would've thinned out his army more & forced an all-in gamble. https://vod.afreecatv.com/player/118113321 Edit: Literally just read jinjin's summary of this in another thread: On March 05 2024 11:25 jinjin5000 wrote: + Show Spoiler + It was more of him talking about how his gamestyle doesn't have his own identity anymore with it becoming less and less like him, with him trying to constantly catch-up to others, and he had a set plan to execute on Blitz but he kept having doubts and being afraid about it thinking as if he should just play as he should do in regular game. He said he became too scared with his own plays. He has too many self-doubts, whereas before in his hayday, he just disregarded those and just went in headfirst without any fear. He admitted that he wasn't meticulous or huge on details back when he was a progamer, nor did he abuse mindgames that hard and he just went with the flow. But as he aged, he can no longer keep up with that. He says his gamestyle and preferences overall actually didn't change that much but it just doesn't work as well nowadays He is trying to fix his style but he admits that it's hard as it's bit ingrained into him. vs shuttle, it was all but won game but he forgot +1 attack when doing 5h hydra | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1219 Posts
On March 05 2024 10:06 ruhtraeel wrote: Once again, shoutout to Nyoken and Gypsy for casting this. Gypsy had two big points that I've agreed with for a ton of seasons now 1. Every fan and progamer hates on Shuttle, but he's sneakily one of the most consistent pros, making Ro.16 fairly frequently, with pretty darn solid matchups all around (especially PvZ). Sure, he's not going to win an ASL anytime soon, but I specifically remember games in S11 where he was taking games off Zero a couple of seasons ago, back when Zero was in his prime. 2. Jyj has been consistently underrated until he won his ASL. He really made me notice how strong he was when he took out Bisu twice (even though Bisu's PvT is his weakest matchup), and then barely lost to Zero in ASL 10, even though his timings and control were super on point. IMO he's more well rounded and consistent than Royal, aside from that one season when Royal somehow literally looked like Flash the entire season I feel bad for Jaedong. I think this was the season where he could have finally showed off that he's capable of playing the macro game instead of being overly aggressive like he usually is, but the games ended too quickly for him to show it off Not really sure what to think about TY. One cheese game that can't really be evaluated on; mechanics look solid (400+ APM the entire time, fastest Terran I've seen), but timings and positioning don't quite seem up to the level of perennial ASL players I think he has more potential than someone like Ssak, because he can learn the meta builds and timings, whereas Ssak struggles even spending his resources in a macro TvZ game JyJ is known amongst pros for having the absolute BEST and MOST consistent optimizations in his build orders and movements. He's in that sense the cleanest player. Combine that with being ice cold on stage and you get a very consistent top performer in tournaments. | ||
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EndingLife
United States1600 Posts
On March 05 2024 06:40 Comedy wrote: jaedong legitimately looked like the 2nd best zerg after soulkey for months already in proleague. Him losing the way he did to shuttle is such a shock. I don't know what happend. He seemed to have a solid opening ZvP but then just rolled over to a big 2 base push. Anyone have any thoughts on what went wrong? Someone already said mutalisk but I think going mutalisk long after protoss switched to goons isn't necessarily a winning play. 1 storm + shots from 15 goons and mutas can be negated more easily at that point. Just lack of macro is why he lost? JD made too many hydra instead of drones early on to force cannons and slow down the gateway flood. There was no threat of a timing from Shuttle after losing the first 3 zealots and not having any gateways to produce from. | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
TY played miles above compared to those amateurs who qualified and if this kid continues he's a big threat. I hope he continues practicing and doesn't switch back to SC2, especially since GSL prize pool shrunk there's no point. | ||
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maybe
258 Posts
Hope we get to see the full show today. | ||
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Zografa
282 Posts
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Nirli
Bulgaria381 Posts
It's quite obvious that JD just isn't cut for modern BW which has become extremely by the numbers, both literally and figuratively. He understands that himself based on what jinjin's translated. Queen is the opposite of that, a rather mediocre progamer in the olden days vs a great player in the current era, although he fell quite off after winning the ASLs. Z future seems grim indeed, but I'm happy that the Zs I actually like - SK and Action - are still kicking. Z basically needs Larva back but I'm sure he's had it with competing after winning ASL which is understandable. | ||
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ruhtraeel
Canada131 Posts
On March 06 2024 15:43 Nirli wrote: People should be sad that TY didn't advance and not moan about JD. It's quite obvious that JD just isn't cut for modern BW which has become extremely by the numbers, both literally and figuratively. He understands that himself based on what jinjin's translated. Queen is the opposite of that, a rather mediocre progamer in the olden days vs a great player in the current era, although he fell quite off after winning the ASLs. Z future seems grim indeed, but I'm happy that the Zs I actually like - SK and Action - are still kicking. Z basically needs Larva back but I'm sure he's had it with competing after winning ASL which is understandable. Zero was actually damn good in the proleague days. There are still a ton of good Zergs, but it looks more balanced now. Instead of having 5 players in the top 10 being Zergs, we now have 3ish (hero, soulkey, effort when he plays, and action on the borderline) Before, having 5-6 zergs in the top 10 made it super hard for protosses to win | ||
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Ideas
United States8169 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26742 Posts
On March 08 2024 00:42 Ideas wrote: I think people forget that before shuttle went to military he was consistently one of the top Protoss: winning first ASL (admittedly before flash was back on scene) and making Ro4 in season 6 (he had to give up his seed in ASL7 to go to military). I think this will be his 3rd or 4th Ro16 since returning, so not bad. Yeah I mean I’m a relative noob but he’s obviously not a bad player, and he’s obviously not a Snow/Mini/Bisu top level Toss either. A decent, solid player for sure. Unless you have an insanely stacked field you need those Ro24/16, maybe 8 on a great run level of players to keep early rounds competitive. We’re already seeing a couple of players a season who qualify but just aren’t up to competing in the main competition for whatever reason, and he’s definitely not one of those | ||
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Shinokuki
United States923 Posts
On March 06 2024 18:34 ruhtraeel wrote: Zero was actually damn good in the proleague days. There are still a ton of good Zergs, but it looks more balanced now. Instead of having 5 players in the top 10 being Zergs, we now have 3ish (hero, soulkey, effort when he plays, and action on the borderline) Before, having 5-6 zergs in the top 10 made it super hard for protosses to win Except there's only 1 zerg in top 15 now lol if you look at ASL results/Proleague/Sponbbang. The maps kept giving protoss buffs against zergs and now its backfiring | ||
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