[ASL17] Ro24 Group D

On March 04 2024 17:56 WombaT wrote:
I’m still annoyed TY failed to qualify for GSL just as he missed out on being a unique individual who was playing in an active Starleague in both BW and SC2 at the same time.

Plus is he still commentating? If the former would have been unique I highly doubt anyone would have been able to beat him wearing those three hats.

I’m a BW enthusiast in emotion more than any kind of knowledge, so I’m not backing myself on the latter. Feels the most open group to me, but perhaps I’ll stand corrected. Shuttle is just that relentlessly decent player while not being top, top tier. JYJ’s vZ is a level above his vP, and Jaedong still has flashes of Tyrancy but he’s not quite that player, plus his vP also isn’t the strongest out there. And TY’s your wild card, I’d heard it said he got to a competitive level surprisingly quickly but there’s making up the numbers competitive and genuinely competitive, so I’m interested to see what he brings, especially as an SC2 guy who got into BW after the fact.

Add to that the volatility of Bo1s in this format and it’s a fascinating group

On March 04 2024 20:05 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:

basically there is not way to truly contain protoss on this map and there is not an easy way to defend your 4 base either. On circuit Breaker you could defend cuz there was highground that helped greatly to your lurker defense. On this map you are pretty much forced to win by delaying protoss expo forever or getting some big advantage early on. Otherwise you are getting wrecked by protoss.

On March 04 2024 20:51 Zergiica wrote:
just can't hook up at that stupid format of bo1. really awful and they just don't wanna change it...

On March 04 2024 20:54 TMNT wrote:
Yeah BO1 strikes once again. JD recently 7-2'd Shuttle in Ultimate Battle. Also doing well in Proleague and there's no way he wouldn't beat TY in a BOx (x>2).

On March 04 2024 21:20 RowdierBob wrote:
Feel pretty confident in saying neither of these guys will make it past ro16.

On March 04 2024 21:37 TMNT wrote:

I mean you don't need to watch Ro24 to predict that.

Meanwhile I think that's it for Zerg this tournament. 3 guys in Ro16. Don't think Beast or Shine will make it in. Soulkey's prophecy is true: after Soma's gone to the military, it'st just him carrying the race. Lmao had Action actually retired we'd be looking at 2 Zergs in Ro16...

On March 04 2024 21:14 Xeln4g4 wrote:
what happened to the english stream?

On March 04 2024 20:55 RowdierBob wrote:
It is kinda weird how they have bo3 in the quallies but then drop to bo1 for the dual tournament.

JD not up to scratch today but that’s a tough way to go out.

On March 04 2024 22:30 nyoken wrote:


I got some error while streaming and it wouldn't let me reconnect. It affected the Spanish SCTV stream too, so hopefully this will be resolved by tomorrow.

On March 04 2024 21:37 TMNT wrote:

I mean you don't need to watch Ro24 to predict that.

Meanwhile I think that's it for Zerg this tournament. 3 guys in Ro16. Don't think Beast or Shine will make it in. Soulkey's prophecy is true: after Soma's gone to the military, it'st just him carrying the race. Lmao had Action actually retired we'd be looking at 2 Zergs in Ro16...

On March 04 2024 22:30 nyoken wrote:


I got some error while streaming and it wouldn't let me reconnect. It affected the Spanish SCTV stream too, so hopefully this will be resolved by tomorrow.

On March 05 2024 06:40 Comedy wrote:
jaedong legitimately looked like the 2nd best zerg after soulkey for months already in proleague. Him losing the way he did to shuttle is such a shock. I don't know what happend. He seemed to have a solid opening ZvP but then just rolled over to a big 2 base push. Anyone have any thoughts on what went wrong?

Someone already said mutalisk but I think going mutalisk long after protoss switched to goons isn't necessarily a winning play. 1 storm + shots from 15 goons and mutas can be negated more easily at that point. Just lack of macro is why he lost?

On March 05 2024 06:40 Comedy wrote:
jaedong legitimately looked like the 2nd best zerg after soulkey for months already in proleague. Him losing the way he did to shuttle is such a shock. I don't know what happend. He seemed to have a solid opening ZvP but then just rolled over to a big 2 base push. Anyone have any thoughts on what went wrong?

Someone already said mutalisk but I think going mutalisk long after protoss switched to goons isn't necessarily a winning play. 1 storm + shots from 15 goons and mutas can be negated more easily at that point. Just lack of macro is why he lost?

On March 05 2024 10:06 ruhtraeel wrote:
Once again, shoutout to Nyoken and Gypsy for casting this.

Gypsy had two big points that I've agreed with for a ton of seasons now

1. Every fan and progamer hates on Shuttle, but he's sneakily one of the most consistent pros, making Ro.16 fairly frequently, with pretty darn solid matchups all around (especially PvZ). Sure, he's not going to win an ASL anytime soon, but I specifically remember games in S11 where he was taking games off Zero a couple of seasons ago, back when Zero was in his prime.

2. Jyj has been consistently underrated until he won his ASL. He really made me notice how strong he was when he took out Bisu twice (even though Bisu's PvT is his weakest matchup), and then barely lost to Zero in ASL 10, even though his timings and control were super on point. IMO he's more well rounded and consistent than Royal, aside from that one season when Royal somehow literally looked like Flash the entire season


I feel bad for Jaedong. I think this was the season where he could have finally showed off that he's capable of playing the macro game instead of being overly aggressive like he usually is, but the games ended too quickly for him to show it off

Not really sure what to think about TY. One cheese game that can't really be evaluated on; mechanics look solid (400+ APM the entire time, fastest Terran I've seen), but timings and positioning don't quite seem up to the level of perennial ASL players
I think he has more potential than someone like Ssak, because he can learn the meta builds and timings, whereas Ssak struggles even spending his resources in a macro TvZ game

On March 05 2024 06:40 Comedy wrote:
jaedong legitimately looked like the 2nd best zerg after soulkey for months already in proleague. Him losing the way he did to shuttle is such a shock. I don't know what happend. He seemed to have a solid opening ZvP but then just rolled over to a big 2 base push. Anyone have any thoughts on what went wrong?

Someone already said mutalisk but I think going mutalisk long after protoss switched to goons isn't necessarily a winning play. 1 storm + shots from 15 goons and mutas can be negated more easily at that point. Just lack of macro is why he lost?

On March 06 2024 15:43 Nirli wrote:
People should be sad that TY didn't advance and not moan about JD.
It's quite obvious that JD just isn't cut for modern BW which has become extremely by the numbers, both literally and figuratively. He understands that himself based on what jinjin's translated. Queen is the opposite of that, a rather mediocre progamer in the olden days vs a great player in the current era, although he fell quite off after winning the ASLs.
Z future seems grim indeed, but I'm happy that the Zs I actually like - SK and Action - are still kicking.
Z basically needs Larva back but I'm sure he's had it with competing after winning ASL which is understandable.

On March 08 2024 00:42 Ideas wrote:
I think people forget that before shuttle went to military he was consistently one of the top Protoss: winning first ASL (admittedly before flash was back on scene) and making Ro4 in season 6 (he had to give up his seed in ASL7 to go to military). I think this will be his 3rd or 4th Ro16 since returning, so not bad.

On March 06 2024 18:34 ruhtraeel wrote:


Zero was actually damn good in the proleague days.
There are still a ton of good Zergs, but it looks more balanced now. Instead of having 5 players in the top 10 being Zergs, we now have 3ish (hero, soulkey, effort when he plays, and action on the borderline)

Before, having 5-6 zergs in the top 10 made it super hard for protosses to win

On March 08 2024 02:09 Shinokuki wrote:


Except there's only 1 zerg in top 15 now lol if you look at ASL results/Proleague/Sponbbang. The maps kept giving protoss buffs against zergs and now its backfiring

On March 08 2024 01:58 WombaT wrote:

Yeah I mean I’m a relative noob but he’s obviously not a bad player, and he’s obviously not a Snow/Mini/Bisu top level Toss either. A decent, solid player for sure.

Unless you have an insanely stacked field you need those Ro24/16, maybe 8 on a great run level of players to keep early rounds competitive. We’re already seeing a couple of players a season who qualify but just aren’t up to competing in the main competition for whatever reason, and he’s definitely not one of those