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Poll: Recommend Soma vs Ruin?

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25%

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(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


+ Show Spoiler [Game 2] +
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50639 Posts
February 16 2022 10:26 GMT
#21
not the best storms
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8538 Posts
February 16 2022 10:27 GMT
#22
Good storms...but Ruin hasn't a good position anymore...I wonder what mistakes he made !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8538 Posts
February 16 2022 10:27 GMT
#23
On February 16 2022 19:26 BLinD-RawR wrote:
not the best storms

i think the storms were decent BLinD-RawR, but he lost his templars...
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50639 Posts
February 16 2022 10:27 GMT
#24
that dt doing fuck all and its dead now
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8538 Posts
February 16 2022 10:28 GMT
#25
lurker contain
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just like yesterday between snow and ggaemo
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50639 Posts
February 16 2022 10:29 GMT
#26
ahh nothing more satisfying than watching zealots evaporate into air freshener.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8538 Posts
February 16 2022 10:29 GMT
#27
and gg

I swear, Ruin hasn't made and major mistakes... and he lost right away ...
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50639 Posts
February 16 2022 10:29 GMT
#28
Poll: Recommend Soma vs Ruin?

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75%

If you have time (2)
 
25%

Yes (0)
 
0%

8 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Soma vs Ruin?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
February 16 2022 10:30 GMT
#29
don't get how people even rate ruin when he gave birth to some bastard childs of dohsairs
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8538 Posts
February 16 2022 10:30 GMT
#30
Now please !! sSak vs JYJ with red / blue colors! i cannot see very well those orange/brown/yellow nuances
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-16 10:33:50
February 16 2022 10:32 GMT
#31
On February 16 2022 19:27 prosatan wrote:
Good storms...but Ruin hasn't a good position anymore...I wonder what mistakes he made !

Just a really mediocre build line. Starting from 2 cannons early for no reason. Just as an example. Nothing Ruin did was gaining an advantage. He managed to kill some mutas but then lost most of the sairs. I think he expected a lurker switch earlier from Soma based on the gas timing but Soma delayed the switch and punished the early goon production. THEN went lurker.
You look at someone like Ruin compared to a player like Mini and you see that protoss needs to really be on the edge of defense against a great zerg player. You can't over defend or play too safe. You need to have offensive pressure to keep zerg from getting too big(as in too many drones early).
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8538 Posts
February 16 2022 10:34 GMT
#32
On February 16 2022 19:32 Sirris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2022 19:27 prosatan wrote:
Good storms...but Ruin hasn't a good position anymore...I wonder what mistakes he made !

Just a really mediocre build line. Starting from 2 cannons early for no reason. Just as an example. Nothing Ruin did was gaining an advantage. He managed to kill some mutas but then lost most of the sairs. I think he expected a lurker switch earlier from Soma based on the gas timing but Soma delayed the switch and punished the early goon production. THEN went lurker.
You look at someone like Ruin compared to a player like Mini and you see that protoss needs to really be on the edge of defense against a great zerg player. You can't over defend or play too safe. You need to have offensive pressure to keep zerg from getting too big.

I see Sirris...but one cannon vs maybe more speedlings...then is very hard for p with lings running in your main... idk
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4237 Posts
February 16 2022 10:38 GMT
#33
ugh...
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
February 16 2022 10:39 GMT
#34
Pretty amazing opening for JYJ. Lucky as hell Luckily I voted JYJ.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3119 Posts
February 16 2022 10:42 GMT
#35
On February 16 2022 19:32 Sirris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2022 19:27 prosatan wrote:
Good storms...but Ruin hasn't a good position anymore...I wonder what mistakes he made !

Just a really mediocre build line. Starting from 2 cannons early for no reason. Just as an example. Nothing Ruin did was gaining an advantage. He managed to kill some mutas but then lost most of the sairs. I think he expected a lurker switch earlier from Soma based on the gas timing but Soma delayed the switch and punished the early goon production. THEN went lurker.
You look at someone like Ruin compared to a player like Mini and you see that protoss needs to really be on the edge of defense against a great zerg player. You can't over defend or play too safe. You need to have offensive pressure to keep zerg from getting too big(as in too many drones early).

Isn't the reason apparent: 2 Cannons is standard vs 9 Pool. 1 Cannon is kinda middle of the road, you can't apply pressure but at the same time is not totally safe. Might as well go for Gate expand instead. There's a reason the greatest PvZ players (Bisu, Mini) almost always go for Gate instead of Forge expand. That's what I find unfair about this match-up. As a Protoss in PvZ, playing safe doesn't win you the game unless Zerg fucks up his macro by himself.
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
February 16 2022 10:43 GMT
#36
5 fact no armory against 4 fact starport? This is crazy. I don't think I've seen this in such a long time.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
February 16 2022 10:43 GMT
#37
crazy how much supply lead after the 14cc
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Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
February 16 2022 10:45 GMT
#38
On February 16 2022 19:42 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2022 19:32 Sirris wrote:
On February 16 2022 19:27 prosatan wrote:
Good storms...but Ruin hasn't a good position anymore...I wonder what mistakes he made !

Just a really mediocre build line. Starting from 2 cannons early for no reason. Just as an example. Nothing Ruin did was gaining an advantage. He managed to kill some mutas but then lost most of the sairs. I think he expected a lurker switch earlier from Soma based on the gas timing but Soma delayed the switch and punished the early goon production. THEN went lurker.
You look at someone like Ruin compared to a player like Mini and you see that protoss needs to really be on the edge of defense against a great zerg player. You can't over defend or play too safe. You need to have offensive pressure to keep zerg from getting too big(as in too many drones early).

Isn't the reason apparent: 2 Cannons is standard vs 9 Pool. 1 Cannon is kinda middle of the road, you can't apply pressure but at the same time is not totally safe. Might as well go for Gate expand instead. There's a reason the greatest PvZ players (Bisu, Mini) almost always go for Gate instead of Forge expand. That's what I find unfair about this match-up. As a Protoss in PvZ, playing safe doesn't win you the game unless Zerg fucks up his macro by himself.

I agree with you. I think Ruin was hoping to counter the 12 hatch with nexus first. It didn't work out for him though.
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
February 16 2022 10:49 GMT
#39
JYJ dominating this game.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8538 Posts
February 16 2022 10:53 GMT
#40
JyJ already maxed out...
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