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HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey729 Posts
February 16 2022 14:12 GMT
#81
So far 5p,4t,5z.
Let's see whether SK,JD will make it 5p,4t,7z.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19239 Posts
February 16 2022 17:24 GMT
#82
I can't believe an unnamed member of the TL staff decided to doubt Jyj.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States342 Posts
February 16 2022 20:51 GMT
#83
Wowowow winners and final match were such fun games!
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
February 16 2022 21:54 GMT
#84
I feel like JyJ and RoyaL (sOrry) are two dark horses of this tournament. JyJ used map terrain to his advantage so his BCs could hit and run multipe hatcheries, I think BCs brough him to the victory.
SoMa also played really well but it's going to be tough for him if he gets into group with best terrans.
Ruin showed poor performance, especially that last game, all that 500 APM and couldn't save his observers.
For sSak group was tough although he didn't play bad at all.
sunbeams are never made like me...
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-16 23:17:08
February 16 2022 22:55 GMT
#85
On February 17 2022 06:54 outscar wrote:
I feel like JyJ and RoyaL (sOrry) are two dark horses of this tournament.

They both look pretty great. I've never seen a disappointing game from JyJ, and Royal seems to be on fire.
May the BeSt man win.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-17 05:46:33
February 17 2022 05:44 GMT
#86
On February 17 2022 02:24 BisuDagger wrote:
I can't believe an unnamed member of the TL staff decided to doubt Jyj.


fuck skt

also I bet on him, still #1
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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ExpatRights
Profile Joined February 2021
53 Posts
February 17 2022 06:32 GMT
#87
On February 16 2022 19:42 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2022 19:32 Sirris wrote:
On February 16 2022 19:27 prosatan wrote:
Good storms...but Ruin hasn't a good position anymore...I wonder what mistakes he made !

Just a really mediocre build line. Starting from 2 cannons early for no reason. Just as an example. Nothing Ruin did was gaining an advantage. He managed to kill some mutas but then lost most of the sairs. I think he expected a lurker switch earlier from Soma based on the gas timing but Soma delayed the switch and punished the early goon production. THEN went lurker.
You look at someone like Ruin compared to a player like Mini and you see that protoss needs to really be on the edge of defense against a great zerg player. You can't over defend or play too safe. You need to have offensive pressure to keep zerg from getting too big(as in too many drones early).

Isn't the reason apparent: 2 Cannons is standard vs 9 Pool. 1 Cannon is kinda middle of the road, you can't apply pressure but at the same time is not totally safe. Might as well go for Gate expand instead. There's a reason the greatest PvZ players (Bisu, Mini) almost always go for Gate instead of Forge expand. That's what I find unfair about this match-up. As a Protoss in PvZ, playing safe doesn't win you the game unless Zerg fucks up his macro by himself.


Mini >>>>>>>> Bisu in 2022 bro
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
February 17 2022 07:15 GMT
#88
bisu standard pvz is still better than mini, mini himself mentions that he cannot hope to overcome top zergs without prepared builds to glean out advantages in the early/midgame.
NotoriousSCV
Profile Joined September 2021
27 Posts
February 19 2022 16:55 GMT
#89
Didn't finish watching the games yet.. but JyJ vs Soma best game of ASL so far? great game. Especially after a perfect TvT. I wasn't a JyJ fan but now I am.

Its usually the Z unit mix that causes the T problems. But this is T causing the Z the same problems. I've seen BC's fail so often but really nice this time.
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1026 Posts
February 21 2022 15:14 GMT
#90
On February 17 2022 16:15 ggsimida wrote:
bisu standard pvz is still better than mini


Man i dont think they are in the same league anymore lol
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19239 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-21 17:52:29
February 21 2022 17:52 GMT
#91
On February 22 2022 00:14 TornadoSteve wrote:
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On February 17 2022 16:15 ggsimida wrote:
bisu standard pvz is still better than mini


Man i dont think they are in the same league anymore lol

This year Bisu and Mini hold nearly 60% winrates in spon matches against every Zerg but Soulkey. Statistically they are on par, but I have little faith in Bisu in the ASL. It has been like watching him in OSLs.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2714 Posts
February 21 2022 19:08 GMT
#92
On February 17 2022 15:32 ExpatRights wrote:
Mini >>>>>>>> Bisu in 2022 bro

On February 22 2022 00:14 TornadoSteve wrote:Man i dont think they are in the same league anymore lol

The ASL results may skew people's opinion a little bit because Mini 4-1 Queen twice in consecutive seasons. Problem is he prepared specific builds for those series and Mini is a bit like Queen's bogeyman. He's not that dominant against Hero, Soma and especially Soulkey.

In truth if you really pay close attention to other matches like spongames, KCM,... his PvZ is in no way more impressive than what Bisu did. Right now Mini is a bit better but mostly due to match sharpness after Bisu took his hiatus. I'd say when Bisu gets his form back (pre-crypto scandal) they are equal.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2714 Posts
February 21 2022 19:15 GMT
#93
Btw, talking about Queen. What happened to the guy? He dropped to like top 30 on sponbbang, can lose to pretty much anyone now. He isn't even streaming often anymore.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19239 Posts
February 21 2022 23:12 GMT
#94
On February 22 2022 04:15 TMNT wrote:
Btw, talking about Queen. What happened to the guy? He dropped to like top 30 on sponbbang, can lose to pretty much anyone now. He isn't even streaming often anymore.

Certain players reduce streaming time before ASL matches. I'm sure Zero is doing just that.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
lamarine
Profile Joined January 2003
586 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-21 23:15:38
February 21 2022 23:14 GMT
#95
On February 22 2022 04:15 TMNT wrote:
He isn't even streaming often anymore.

maybe that's the problem

you can be talented and smart and all, but if you are not training constantly, your performance becomes unpredictable which means you can lose to anybody.
You can also see this happening to Light. He reduced streaming time a lot in past few months. He still can absolutely kill anyone, but he can also lose to anyone.
While players like best and mini a streaming/playing all the time, and you can see the results.
So... BW is back
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2714 Posts
February 22 2022 08:43 GMT
#96
On February 22 2022 08:12 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2022 04:15 TMNT wrote:
Btw, talking about Queen. What happened to the guy? He dropped to like top 30 on sponbbang, can lose to pretty much anyone now. He isn't even streaming often anymore.

Certain players reduce streaming time before ASL matches. I'm sure Zero is doing just that.

He has less than 40% win rate vs all the top Terran and Protoss in 2022. All of them. I wouldn't bet on Queen making it out of R16 this time.
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey729 Posts
February 22 2022 09:34 GMT
#97
Is group selection today ?
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8038 Posts
February 22 2022 11:44 GMT
#98
On February 22 2022 18:34 HOLYBATS wrote:
Is group selection today ?

Right now HOLYBATS !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8038 Posts
February 22 2022 11:45 GMT
#99
I am watching both this and Boxer vs Yellow!

group selection on effort's stream:

https://tl.net/video/streams/momo130
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey729 Posts
February 22 2022 11:51 GMT
#100
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