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New Worlds Map Contest: Semi Finals (VOTE HERE) - Page 4

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ox.tQ
Profile Joined November 2010
794 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-12 21:10:18
May 12 2021 20:45 GMT
#61
On May 12 2021 16:46 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
I wrote a lot about the maps I like and why I like them in the previous topics, so I'm just going to post my top 4 list, since not that much changed about them since then.

1. Tundra
2. Terraform
3. Bridging the Gap
4. Wavelet

Cheers

P.S. - what about the other 8 that wont make the top 4, ox an Minerals? will we see any games on them? Would be cool. Anyways, thanks a lot for hosting this, my dudes. You're the best.


Yes my friend, we'll organize 9-game showmatches and regular showmatches (bo5s from our regular showmatch series when we re-activate it soon) on the maps that don't make it into the top four. There's also a small chance that event organizers might take interest in a map that doesn't make it into the top four.

I really want to point something out - a map that turns out to be very popular or balanced and worthy of producing good games isn't always spotted by the public, or map makers or event organizers. A good example is Polypoid by KM-. Before it was publicly featured, it was submitted to a map contest organized by LatiAs (the author of Eclipse, Neo Sylphid and Ascension) but it didn't even make it into the top five maps. I am not sure how the evaluation/voting process worked, but LatiAs was running a standard map contest, and Polypoid, which many see as a very standard map today, wasn't recognized as such. But it went on to prove its potential and is highly popular among players now (both low and high level gamers).

I bring this up because I don't think there is a royal formula for identifying a really good map and by that I mean a map that most players will approve on first glance, adapt to and play on relatively easily inside a game and perform well on and produce good games. These type of maps have staying power and are worth producing or identifying, both for players and map makers, even if some people think such maps are boring. Of course, a map could be imposed on players in an event setting, meaning they don't like it at first glance, and don't really like it after playing on it, even if the map was capable of producing some really good games. Maps take a long time to create and develop, and I am sure map makers would prefer making maps that players enjoy playing on, so that they have a long life span.

In any event, we are hoping an event like this one will help us discover and learn a lot about the following things (among others):

- maps, map making and map makers
- what constitutes a 'standard' or 'experimental' map?
- what sort of maps do members of the public, high level players, map makers, event organizers, etc. vote on and why?
- are there any similarities or differences in voting preferences?
- high level players' preferences for maps before and after they play test them (assuming they voted on a map and then played on it in a play test tour)
- preferences of members of the public for maps before and after those maps are play tested by high level players and watched by the public
- level of interest in an inclusive event such as this one involving map makers, the public, players and stream viewers and degree of collaboration between all these groups throughout the different stages of the event
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LUCKY_NOOB
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Bulgaria1460 Posts
May 12 2021 21:06 GMT
#62
LOVE the eye candy!
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littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7218 Posts
May 12 2021 21:25 GMT
#63
1. Static
2. Vertebrae
3. Augustgrad
4. Mayday
Entusman #12
Eidolonic
Profile Joined June 2020
29 Posts
May 13 2021 00:05 GMT
#64
1) Vertebrae by HeMsK
The map looks great. I've watched HeMsK shape up this map since the contest began and he was receptive to feedback and put tons of work into it. I really want to see some games on this!

2) Turbin by Minerals
At first I wasn't sure if this map qualified as standard because of the ez free natural, but I think this is mostly alright as the game will play out in a fairly standard way. 3 player maps are extremely difficult to make, and I was not happy about how the ASL testing phase went for it. I would like to see tons of games on this map as I know it will entertain everyone.

3) Sanctuary by JungleTerrain/Minerals
I'm very interested to see games play out on this. The map is gorgeous, and the strategic elements will make for very interesting games to play out. It's really a very good balance of wide open areas and claustrophobic death traps. Nicely done!!

4) GOOD NIGHT by CrystalDrag
This guy is insane, but sometimes he produces good maps. (Kidding kidding) This is truly a beautiful map and was very interesting to watch it unfold during the contest. Without a doubt will put on a show for us during the test tournament phase. I also appreciate the feedback I was given on my own map from CrystalDrag which helped me put things into perspective.


Honorable mentions
Augustgrad by CookiMaster. Nicely done on your map. It started it a bit rough, but you were open to feedback and made many changes that improved it for the better. To see your level of tenacity was inspiring, and kept me going when things got tough. Regarding the map, I think there are too many height/elevation changes that could make ground play frustrating.

Thank you to Minerals and Freakling for their guidance during the map making phase. I must have leveled up 20 times at least.
SorandomoK
Profile Joined September 2010
United States47 Posts
May 13 2021 03:55 GMT
#65
1. Mayday
2. Terraform
3. Vertebrae
4. Turbine
SaetZero
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States855 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-13 07:39:51
May 13 2021 04:44 GMT
#66
here is my rating for all maps, out of 10

clock 7
static 5
vertebrae 8

tundra 6
turbine 4

augustgrad 6
bridge the gap 5
good night 8
mayday 7
sanctuary 8
terraform 4
wavelet 6

Shout out to Wavelet. if you could promise there would be no vertical spawns on same side of map, this would be a nine. but since you cant, and i think that spawn layout would lead to bad games.... sorry buddy. but i love it. if it was 2 player map.

my picks in order

#1 good night
#2 vertebrae
#3 sanctuary
edit:
#4 mayday

mayday i like slightly more than clock. i think the mid game army movement would be more interesting.

"Why did i rate some maps very low"

mostly either because
-the expanding pattern looked boring to me.
-early game pressure looked too strong (tends to be an issue when your main is the same elevation as your nat, and the maps didnt look to negate that much to me)
-boring map design, by visuals.

but i am a dork like that. so dont take my opinion too serious. im stuck in my ways of what i like in a map <3
Never Forget. #TheRevolutionist
MineraIs
Profile Joined September 2020
United States846 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-13 04:50:12
May 13 2021 04:49 GMT
#67
On May 13 2021 13:44 SaetZero wrote:

my picks in order

#1 good night
#2 vertebrae
#3 sanctuary


Can you give us 4 votes? We need 4 votes for our voting system.
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Eidolonic
Profile Joined June 2020
29 Posts
May 13 2021 04:58 GMT
#68
On May 13 2021 13:44 SaetZero wrote:

turbine 4

terraform 4


Why such low scores for these 2 maps?
MineraIs
Profile Joined September 2020
United States846 Posts
May 13 2021 05:04 GMT
#69
Evolution of Sanctuary
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MineraIs
Profile Joined September 2020
United States846 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-13 07:23:14
May 13 2021 05:06 GMT
#70
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SaetZero
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States855 Posts
May 13 2021 07:43 GMT
#71
updated my list to include 4 maps.

as for my low scores....

turbine

looks boring as hell. fuck two bases in the main. i hated the shit outta optimizer for a lot less. not my style.

terraform

no ramp between main and nat, and the high/low ground areas looks weird to map. especially the spots like at just below 12 oclock for example. i like the middle part, but thats about it sadly.
Never Forget. #TheRevolutionist
MineraIs
Profile Joined September 2020
United States846 Posts
May 13 2021 07:47 GMT
#72
Thanks for update and opinions.
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ash.]Rancor[
Profile Joined December 2020
Germany29 Posts
May 13 2021 09:26 GMT
#73
1. Turbine
2. Sancutry
3. GOOD NIGHT
4. Wavelet
Hatred outlives the hateful.
zlald
Profile Joined October 2019
Korea (South)34 Posts
May 13 2021 09:52 GMT
#74
On May 13 2021 05:45 ox.tQ wrote:
I really want to point something out - a map that turns out to be very popular or balanced and worthy of producing good games isn't always spotted by the public, or map makers or event organizers. A good example is Polypoid by KM-. Before it was publicly featured, it was submitted to a map contest organized by LatiAs (the author of Eclipse, Neo Sylphid and Ascension) but it didn't even make it into the top five maps. I am not sure how the evaluation/voting process worked, but LatiAs was running a standard map contest, and Polypoid, which many see as a very standard map today, wasn't recognized as such. But it went on to prove its potential and is highly popular among players now (both low and high level gamers).


I am KM-, author of the Polypoid.
As for the case of the map contest by LatiAs, I have something to mention. You checked the result well but not the process correctly.

Polypoid qualified 1st round and given some period for modification, but I couldn't make it up on time, so I decided to give up final round.
If you can find a picture of polypoid(2018), you will see that; it was somewhat different from current design and had poor quality. Although I am still unsatisfied with the details of 1.65 version, the first draft was reaaaly awful X(
2019.10.27.
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
May 13 2021 12:06 GMT
#75
Darn it I was thinking why these maps look so horrible and then realized its BW :D Oh well...

User was temp banned for this post.
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Eidolonic
Profile Joined June 2020
29 Posts
May 13 2021 12:52 GMT
#76
On May 13 2021 16:43 SaetZero wrote:
updated my list to include 4 maps.
.

Thank you! Very helpful to understand what you are looking for. I appreciate the update.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4203 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-13 15:47:54
May 13 2021 15:43 GMT
#77
On May 13 2021 00:07 Freakling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2021 21:51 Aiur wrote:
1) Sanctuary
2) Good night

None other meet the requirements of being up to par with FS or CB

Not sure what you consider "up to par with FS or CB", or why you'd take that as a necessary condition, but lists with less than 4 maps cannot be counted in the vote.

he said "Chose 2 others because its required.
3) Mayday Almost up to par but not entirely
4) Terraform"

so it's

1) Sanctuary
2) Good night
3) Mayday
4) Terraform

so it can be counted.
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
sas.Sziky
Profile Joined October 2011
Hungary295 Posts
May 13 2021 15:55 GMT
#78
1) Wavelet
2) Static
3) Sanctuary
4) Good Night 1.2
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1188 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-13 16:27:54
May 13 2021 16:26 GMT
#79
On May 14 2021 00:43 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2021 00:07 Freakling wrote:
On May 12 2021 21:51 Aiur wrote:
1) Sanctuary
2) Good night

None other meet the requirements of being up to par with FS or CB

Not sure what you consider "up to par with FS or CB", or why you'd take that as a necessary condition, but lists with less than 4 maps cannot be counted in the vote.

he said "Chose 2 others because its required.
3) Mayday Almost up to par but not entirely
4) Terraform"

so it's

1) Sanctuary
2) Good night
3) Mayday
4) Terraform

so it can be counted.


LOL. So you decided to vote for some random guy?

Trying to vote by proxy is the lamest thing ever.
ox.tQ
Profile Joined November 2010
794 Posts
May 13 2021 16:58 GMT
#80
On May 13 2021 18:52 zlald wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2021 05:45 ox.tQ wrote:
I really want to point something out - a map that turns out to be very popular or balanced and worthy of producing good games isn't always spotted by the public, or map makers or event organizers. A good example is Polypoid by KM-. Before it was publicly featured, it was submitted to a map contest organized by LatiAs (the author of Eclipse, Neo Sylphid and Ascension) but it didn't even make it into the top five maps. I am not sure how the evaluation/voting process worked, but LatiAs was running a standard map contest, and Polypoid, which many see as a very standard map today, wasn't recognized as such. But it went on to prove its potential and is highly popular among players now (both low and high level gamers).


I am KM-, author of the Polypoid.
As for the case of the map contest by LatiAs, I have something to mention. You checked the result well but not the process correctly.

Polypoid qualified 1st round and given some period for modification, but I couldn't make it up on time, so I decided to give up final round.
If you can find a picture of polypoid(2018), you will see that; it was somewhat different from current design and had poor quality. Although I am still unsatisfied with the details of 1.65 version, the first draft was reaaaly awful X(


Hi KM- ! People love your map and I use it often in events! I want to thank you for checking out this thread and taking the time to respond to my message. Hope to coordinate with you in the future and get you to participate~
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