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[KSL3] SemiFinal A - Stork vs Mini
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BlueStar
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On May 30 2019 19:38 Heartland wrote: Why don't people use Dark Archons to maelstrom reavers/shuttles to be able to pick them off? simply because maelstrom works only on bio units | ||
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KingPi
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Why don't people use Dark Archons to maelstrom reavers/shuttles to be able to pick them off? Not sure if you're trolling or not, but the reason is that maelstrom only works vs bio units, it does not affect robotic units like shuttles, reavers or dragoons. Although a shuttle can be mind controlled, together with the units (reavers) in it but it is gimmicky not really worth the risk, as robo units usually come to play much sooner than templar tech, and getting a DA with upgrades is a huge investment, especially early on. | ||
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Warfie
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 the return to greatness will be stopped here | ||
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Miragee
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Kind of a meh series but I didn't really expect anything. Rain will probably take this season. | ||
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XenOsky
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On May 30 2019 20:48 Turbovolver wrote: Well Mini says in post-match interview he was convinced he'd won even before he got into that position, so I guess I'm missing something. u're missing the fact that 12 nexus pvp is garbage. TR8 High Peruvian protoss build, doesnt work at the highest level. | ||
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Miragee
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On May 30 2019 20:45 Turbovolver wrote: I felt like Stork didn't have to push out in that last game? He was contained, but he was also way up in economy, Mini didn't even have a second base yet. Why did he have to engage the shield battery nonsense before getting his own slower tech up? The reavers were starting to hit Stork's army. If you wait, you just die without even killing anything. I think Artosis was right. Stork missed his best chance to move out before the second reaver was there. That being said, his chances of winning the fight then was slim as well. | ||
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Xain0n
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Dazed.
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contrast that with jaedong whos doing so poorly i worry he will retire every time i see him play. | ||
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Xain0n
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On May 30 2019 22:18 Dazed. wrote: im not shocked either. its been obvious for a while that mini has serious potential and is on the rise. Still, Storks clearly back in form even if not in tippy top shape. :D contrast that with jaedong whos doing so poorly i worry he will retire every time i see him play. Ah, for sure, Jaedong is making us cry; he still has to go to the army, I think he'll retire soon. Stork's trajectory is way different than Jaedong's, it's amazing that he is improving again. | ||
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chozen86
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I noticed some micro differentials (which might be the more obvious difference-maker for Mini), e.g., where Mini had only like 1 more zealot than Stork in g4(?) for the proxy 2 gate, and Stork also had probes to fight with, but ended up losing the micro battle quite badly, and didn't have enough zealots to help hold (granted was a really really difficult situation anyway). But I also saw some really slick decision-making from Mini, e.g., the shield battery to complement the reaver push in g5 as an immediate response to the 12 nexus. | ||
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Ideas
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On May 30 2019 19:49 BlueStar wrote: simply because maelstrom works only on bio units But Mind Control works on everything! | ||
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Ideas
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On May 30 2019 23:23 chozen86 wrote: For those who watched, what do you think the difference makers were between Mini and Stork? I noticed some micro differentials (which might be the more obvious difference-maker for Mini), e.g., where Mini had only like 1 more zealot than Stork in g4(?) for the proxy 2 gate, and Stork also had probes to fight with, but ended up losing the micro battle quite badly, and didn't have enough zealots to help hold (granted was a really really difficult situation anyway). But I also saw some really slick decision-making from Mini, e.g., the shield battery to complement the reaver push in g5 as an immediate response to the 12 nexus. Generally I think mini just had better micro during engagements, and took some more risks than stork and most of them paid off (except game 2 where he lost his shuttle/reaver for nothing and then lost the game). games 1 and 3 mini just had better control (and a BO advantage in game 1) and won most engagements. game 4 I'm not really familiar enough with PvP, but seems like stork just micro'd poorly and maybe should have pulled probes earlier to fight zeals and try to snipe mini's probe to stop mini from building cannons. Game 5 was a huge risky opening for stork that was vulnerable to all sorts of stuff, but I guess he was just hoping to catch mini off-guard and hope he would hesitate long enough that stork would be able to hold and gain a huge advantage. The proxy robo from mini was a risk, but not nearly as risky as stork's fast nexus. | ||
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EndingLife
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I'm glad he's in the spotlight making another deep run. | ||
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dwpunch
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On May 30 2019 20:45 Turbovolver wrote: I felt like Stork didn't have to push out in that last game? He was contained, but he was also way up in economy, Mini didn't even have a second base yet. Why did he have to engage the shield battery nonsense before getting his own slower tech up? I feel like 14 (12?) Nexus just isn't a thing. I mean what does it even beat? Super greedy late scout after core? There's just not enough time to get macro going quickly enough to beat a proxy reaver. The mineral benefit of not being saturated takes some time to overcome the 400 mineral cost. Not sure what Stork was thinking honestly. It just will never work against any opening. | ||
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LocoBolon
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On May 30 2019 23:23 chozen86 wrote: For those who watched, what do you think the difference makers were between Mini and Stork? I noticed some micro differentials (which might be the more obvious difference-maker for Mini), e.g., where Mini had only like 1 more zealot than Stork in g4(?) for the proxy 2 gate, and Stork also had probes to fight with, but ended up losing the micro battle quite badly, and didn't have enough zealots to help hold (granted was a really really difficult situation anyway). But I also saw some really slick decision-making from Mini, e.g., the shield battery to complement the reaver push in g5 as an immediate response to the 12 nexus. To me there's a heavy difference in mechanichs and multitasking, Mini's one of the best in that area right now maybe? not sure, I could see Bisu killing Stork in some similar fahion in my mind. i.e. In game 3 Stork got cannon rushed because he lost his scouting probe, he lost his probe because he was trying so hard to not get manner pylon'd in his base. Also why did Stork forge so soon? big mistake, 2 gate at home beats 2 proxy gate 100%, | ||
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