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I didn't see another thread, so I'll make a shitty one.
If a better one comes up, close this one.
From the calendar:
OGN channel
SKTelecom - Pantech
Midas (T) < Geometry > NaDa (T)
Canata (T) < Monty Hall > Sea.Pure (P)
Kingdom (P)/Rumble (Z) < Chariots of Fire > SiLvEr (Z)/TheROCK[3.33] (P)
iloveoov (T) < Shin Peaks of Baekdu > Sea.FireFist (Z)
Ace Match < Python >
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Midas<Nada
Canata>Pure
SKTelecom<Pantech
oov>Firefist
Gorush<Nada
My picks?
Midas > Nada (Sorry Nada. You've been off. Well so has midas. Hm.)
Canata > Pure
Pantech (SKT1 2v2? ppfffffft.)
Oov > Firefist
actually game 1 is a tossup for me, but I don't want to predict an ace match.
EDIT: Ooh, starbrain is on OGN right now.
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Midas < NaDa
Canata > Pure
SKT > Pantech
Oov > FireFist
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I think I'll take a shot at livereporting. Trying to use full sentences and good grammar and all >_<
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
GREAT ANOTHER TVT ON GEOMETRY, BECAUSE WE HAVENT SEEN ENOUGH OF THOSE
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
(yeah, this map pisses me off)
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omgz im live repoting zorz, then im going to live report boxers match! yayz
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poor nada. rooting for him, but i think midas will win.
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game start for geometry and i was looking at chat but al i know is they are brown and purple and purple is in the upper left and brown is the upper right
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ill figure out soon enough
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alright nada is brown (i recognize the first symob OMGZ NADAS GOING RAX RUSH IN HT EMIDDLE OF THE MAP O_O)
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omg what's going on?!? i'm watching the other game. bad choice for me.
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nada has 2 raxe making in the midlde of the map unbeknowst to midas
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midas has yet to see the 2 barracks and there are raines pumping out now....
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nada is about to find Midas's base AAAH BUFFERING THE SUSPENSE ah he sees the factory nada moves in with the marines!!!
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aaah midas got a vulutre OUT MIDAS MOUTH OPENS IN SHOCK AS IT DIES
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one vuluture left for midas hes still tryingnwith micro 3 marines left ONE SCV VULTURE IS DEAD
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midas doesnt want to say gg he has 1 scv and mareins streaming into his base
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NADA SHUTS DOWN MIDAS WHOOOOHOOOO NADA!!!! time to go watch boxers game by folks!
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nada how can you fucking live with yourself
midas should have got up and smacked him in the face
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i think i saw nal_ra patting midas on the shoulder rofl.....
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On June 05 2007 22:18 Monokeros wrote:
i think i saw nal_ra patting midas on the shoulder rofl.....
ra plays for ktf -_-
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On June 05 2007 22:18 AmorVincitOmnia wrote:
nada how can you fucking live with yourself
midas should have got up and smacked him in the face
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at least it was a quick tvt on geom.
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
He knew he couldn't take on Midas in a long game.
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w00t w00t GGEEEGGEEEE NADA rofl
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canata 5, pure 11 on monty hall.
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hahahah probe kills scouting scv. nobody reporting this? i'm on the other thread.
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rather, scouting probe killed scv. hm. standard play on monty from what i see. pure wth an fe, and canata floating a rax and cc to his nat, i assume. pure went south nat, canata goes middle path nat. ebay going up for canata.
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bay for pure, so i assume he went faster tech and grabbed robo, core, etc. i hate coming into games late.
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canata opting for yet another cc, making his count 3. i don't see too many units to defend.
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reaver in shuttle coming to terran expo
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reeeeaver. canata getting his 4th fac, turreting up. let me put this in words! reaver shoos scarab through rax and depot wall at midle nat of canatas, takes down the turret, as canata sieges. then he picks up the reaver, drops two zeals by the two tanks. 2 more shuts coming in.vulture sneak into pure's east nat.
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reaver takes 2 tanks out before it dies, no miner damage
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Pure with two stargates and a fleet beacon, but canata scans it! vults sneak into pure's south expo. i think he's done for.
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8 factories for canata, 2 of which have shops. pumping gols and tanks.
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nah pure defends, doesnt lose much
two shuttles flying arounf bottom of map
And vultures get at defensless probes at 9 expo
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United States20661 Posts
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3 stargates are building something. Oh goodness, pure isabout to get steamrolled by mass vults/gols.
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reaver at canata's north nat, 3 carriers out, 3 coming. pure's buildings are getting screwed.
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United States20661 Posts
canata's push is REALLY beastly.
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canata takes out 11 expo
pure is reaver dropping canatas expos
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
pure has like... the worst carrier micro ever
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Pure can win if he keeps his carrier micro up... goons coming to reinforced the push up the northpath. Canata's econ is REALLY good though, with many facs and many units. carriers will only last so long methinks.
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5 carriers come to defend 11, are slowly taken out without doing significant damage
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and pure manages to take out all goliaths with carrier + goon
loses 1/3 stargates
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carriers try to take the middle nat of canata, no luck, with 8 repairing scvs and gols. only gols + turrets going up for pure now. that's a LOT of gols.
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Pure takes 5.
Dear monoxide: learn to read clocks. SEVEN. DUH. thanks, nitram.
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Really fun games to watch over here.
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"Within the next 10 minutes the website will be down while a scheduled backup takes place. The backup should take around 20-30 minutes, then we'll be back. "
But... but...
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On June 05 2007 22:48 Monoxide wrote:
Pure takes 5.
7*
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pure hitting canata at allsides; With army of goons at 6, carriers at 4 and reaver drop at 3
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stargates still pumping. pure harasses 1:00 instead now.
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United States10774 Posts
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pure only has 1 hidden expo at 7
and canata sneaks 12 goliaths into pures main base
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canata discovers hidden base with shuttle
drops 2 tanks to take it out
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pure has no working expo and 5 carriers/ canata has massive army of goliaths
pure types out
gg
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good work canata
so i look forward to ooV ^^
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
gg canata wins
Within the next 10 minutes the website will be down while a scheduled backup takes place. The backup should take around 20-30 minutes, then we'll be back.
OMG NOOOOOOOOOO
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that p has a lot of potential.
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2v2 now. 5, 4, 3, 2 ,1
SK Teal/white. SK protoss 1, zerg 7.
Pantech purp/yellow I think, toss 11, zerg 5.
So tosses on top, zergs on bottom, teams are cross position from each other. Opens up for a lot of flanking, and less attacking teamwork, imo. Pantech toss does 10/12 gate/assim. I think both zergs did a fe? 14 core 15 pylon I think from pantech toss. 12 hatch from both zergs, sk zerg taking wsw of centre, pantech zerg taking sse of centre. Citadel for pantech toss. SK toss gets 3 probe kills before his zeal dies to a goon. Corsair out for sk toss, as well as a forge. I bet he’s gonna try and deal with the pantech zerg. Sk zerg getting another expo, ssw of centre, getting a spire and two creep colony (gonna be sunk I bet). LAAAAAAGGGGG.. dt for pantech toss. Turs out the colonies were one sunk one spore. But the spore was too far, ad a dt gets in to kill all the gassing drones. Corsair fleet of sk toss being chased by scourge. Dt does it again wsw of centre. Handful of mutas, 7 or so, headed to the NW. dt tries the trick again, but an ovie pops, and mutas kill it. Hm, looks like he ssw of centre expo was shut down o_O. 3 gates for sk toss, a lot of mutas from pantech zerg denying toss expo attempts ene of centre. Sk zerg playing it risky by attacking archons with mutas while the archons are stuck behind min wall. He gets hit once and does minimal damage. TOSS raiding 7:00 with zeal/arcs, big muta fight at 11! About 20 goons help defend a building expo at ene of centre, sk toss. MAIN LAIR OF SK zerg goes down! Both pantechs cleaning up wsw of centre. I think sk zerg is screwed. Sk toss counterattacks pantech toss main with al his goons. Both pantechs move forces there, which re many mutas, dt’s archons, zeals. The dt is really screwing sk toss up. Not even going to TRY to live report two 2v2’s at once. Lone zeal taking out the pesky last two buildings of the sk zerg base. Buncha dt’s screwing up 11:00. obs finally comes, but a gateway goes down.
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3 base z 1 base toss vs 2 base toss.
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lol, kingdom must've been pissed, he didn't even gg and just left
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Can someone tell me why they took regular live off sc2.org only for p2p and why it won't load on the page?
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Looks like we will get an ace match assuming OOv doesn't punk out and beats Firefist
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On June 05 2007 23:26 Autumn_gm wrote:
Can someone tell me why they took regular live off sc2.org only for p2p and why it won't load on the page?
Install tvants. There's a dl button if you read chinese on the main site, if you don't just find it xD.
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Yea that is the problem it doesn't install. It won't load on the page to install it is that terrible. I click and the furthest I get is a tvants popup before IE says not responding.
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On June 05 2007 23:35 Autumn_gm wrote:
Yea that is the problem it doesn't install. It won't load on the page to install it is that terrible. I click and the furthest I get is a tvants popup before IE says not responding.
happened to me too, keep trying. hit yes, it redirects, hit the dl button. then install the activex control.
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12 hatch for firefist, 11 or 12 pool looks like, then gas.
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On June 05 2007 23:36 Monoxide wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2007 23:35 Autumn_gm wrote:
Yea that is the problem it doesn't install. It won't load on the page to install it is that terrible. I click and the furthest I get is a tvants popup before IE says not responding. happened to me too, keep trying. hit yes, it redirects, hit the dl button. then install the activex control.
At this rate it isn't going to happen I have been waiting 15 minutes for it to respond. It does the same thing everytime. This is the worst streaming garbage I have ever seen.
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1 rax cc from oov i think. not sure, butcc is building and he has 5 rines.
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oov getting comsat, firefist getting spire (i went afk, things happened) 3 hatch think for z now. nvm. he expoes to 11, so 4 total.
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6 lings make it into oov's base. rines deal with them. almost no oov casualties.
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oov dispatched mm to deal with muta harass at expo, muta backs off.
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Haha, oov high-fiveing two guys at once.
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oov is multitasking. he breaks sunks while he kills muta. I think firefist gg'ed.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
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최연성 파이팅!!!
good joob
go skt now win the ace game
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Oov for ace pls since pantech will probably send nada
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On June 05 2007 23:45 VenetianSnares wrote:
Oov for ace pls since pantech will probably send nada
No. Don't ask for TvT.
PLEASE NO!
=P
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But I want to see SKT1 win damnit!
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I unno, I might go to sleep. Could a mod just edit my original post?
Sorry to leave you guys hanging. But it's late and I have like 5 chem tests to do tomorrow.
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Gorush vs Nada would be awesome
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And if not, I'll edit in the morning.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
sktt1 coach better not fuck up his ace decision again
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GOOOOOOOORRRRRRUUUUUUUSSSSSHHHHHHEEEEEEEERRRRRUUUUUU!!!!!
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skt @ python
5-1
pantech
2-7
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someone bother to report pls?
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
GORUSH BETTER FUCKING WIN
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OH MAI GAWD Gorush vs Nada!!!!!
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
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Carnac better.... LOSE!!! LOL 
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gogogo gorush !!!
kick nadas ass
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On June 05 2007 23:51 KizZBG wrote:
GoCrush! looks like i created a trend here
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
PARK TAE MIN
PARK TAE MIN
PARK TAE MIN
let's hope this gets as good as ggplay vs nada on python!
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we might have a classic game on our hands here 
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This is the ace match to end all ace matches... :/
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I'll report if no one wants to report
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
go NaDa!!!!
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yea right! GoRush fighting!
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On June 05 2007 23:53 ArC_man wrote:
I'll report if no one wants to report
Thank You!
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On June 05 2007 23:50 Carnac wrote:
GORUSH BETTER FUCKING WIN Well, he's up against nada, so the odds are in his favor. Should be a good game, though (unless nada plays like he did against cool).
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They don't usually take this long to start..
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Ugh, what's the hold up? Let's gogog already.
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u guys use tvants? seems like garbage
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It is garbage and yes... -_-*
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Why do the crowd cheer when the camera randomly shows some SKT1 players lol?
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United States20661 Posts
coach hoon is so angry looking.
oov looks at himself on TV.
Make funny faces! gogo
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It's Gorush though, the guy who's known for taking AGES to prepare for a game. :p
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
20 minutes since playes were announced WTF
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The commentators are running out of things to talk about...
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Game (finally!) starts, Gorush spawns at 2 Nada spawns at 8
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On June 06 2007 00:12 Visions wrote:
The commentators are running out of things to talk about...
ya you can tell, even if you don't speak korean 
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FINALLY
Game 5 Starting!
Map: Python
Gorush @ 2
Nada @ 8
Cross map positions hmms.
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Pool first for gorush, now gas.
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Lings out for gorush, heading for nada.
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Gorush scouting towards 6 with his overlord, not really gonna matter much since Nada is cross map.
Depot for nada, looks like 9 pool 9 gas for Gorush
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Gorush's lings pick off nada's two marines, defending with scvs now.
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Nada with his rax almost done, Gorush knows where to send his lings now, he finished collecting 100 gas, sending his lings now.
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Bunker up for nada, gorush doesn't manage to take it down.
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Seems nada sees, sending scvs at ramp, gorush breaking ramp, gets in
Bad news for nada
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2nd rax up for nada, gorush has taken down all(?) his depots though.
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Building a bunker and adding a 2nd rax. Speed kicks in for gorush, he's trying to harass as best as he can.
Bunker finishes and a marine gets in, gorush tries to break the bunker but it didn't work.
Gorush expos and is taking down nada's depots.
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Acad for Nada, Gorush taking nat.
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lings cant kill bunker attacking barracks
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All that waiting.. for this? :-)
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Nada right now is in some shit w/out depots, he has to re-add 2 depots.
Looks like Gorush will transition into standard 3 hat play, nada doing 2 rax acad to fight off the lings.
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Nada moving out with ~10 rines, lair morphin for gorush.
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Nada has to really turtle, and gorush is massing lings at nadas entrance
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Nada breaks gorush's sunk line with m&m, moving into main.
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Nada's acad done and he has enough rines to drive the marines out. Pushing all the way to gorush's base with marines, 2 medics following. Gorush has 2 sunken building. Nada charges the sunken line w/ marines. Lotsa shit dies, looks like nada has broken the line.
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Gorush managed to kill the last firebat with a few lings and drones.
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Spire up for Gorush, sneaking some lings around nada's rines and into main.
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Nada with 2 bats, holding Gorush's ramp, gorush manages to kill one, still 1 bat + 2 medics in nada's base. Gorush stacks drones and is able to take out nada's bat.
At this time nada already finished his expo and has added his 3rd rax. Gorush chasing with lings but nada has defense set up. Gorush has spire up but is really short on drones right now.
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I hate gorush so much now, crowds going wild
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Nada has taken his main, now moves out with a large force of m&m.
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LOL I didnt see that coming from the live reports :D. Please keep it up ^-^);
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omfg that micro was so pimp
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Only 3 sunks and a few mutas holding nada off of gorush's nat.
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Gorush sneaks lings into nada's base, nada forced to deal with the threat and allows time for Gorush to build more sunkens. Nada moving out again with about 1 1/2 teams of m/m. Gorush 3 sunken and a couple of muta.
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Nada's decision to attack that timing with pure rines..
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Gorush sneaks his lings past the m&m containment and heads for nada's nat.
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Hope july taught him some muta micro lessons
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A well placed bunker fends off the attack though.
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lol i want to see nada breaks gorush sunken line again..
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Gorush trying to stall the marines, not adding any sunkens, it's not really successful at it. Nada containing Gorush outside of his base.
Gorush sneaks around 8 lings and flies towards Nada's base. Nada has a bunker but Gorush sending his lings to kill turrets. Loses all of them. Nada seems to be in full control right now.
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lings sneak out goint to nadas expo with muta
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Nada breaks the sunk line, almost manages to take down the hatch but gorush's mutas kill them off.
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(About early game) So basically Gorush breaks Nada's ramp early, kills SEVERAL depots, and then Nada moves out with m&m and break Gorush's line... WTF GORUSH??
(Ain't watching the game, but that's just uber-lame.)
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Nada teched to starport, large army, breaking the sunkens, this should fall.
Sunkens all fall, looks like it's about over. Gorush still trying his best with mutas but Nada's +1 hit and there's not much he can do. He manages to fight off the army but nada's reinforcements are coming.
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Tanks out for nada, gorush attempts some muta harass but he only has four mutas which dies to turrets.
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nada takes out gorushes expo
maybe not XD
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Nada moving out with a large army of m&m and vessels, heading for gorush's nat.
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I can't believe I voted Pantech with SKT's lineup.. but I did :-) After all- one can always count on SKT's 2vs2 to lose, so NaDa playing twice fixed me up nicely. GJ NaDa!
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Gorush sends his muta's to nadas scv line kills nothing loses 2(??) mutas........he didn't even hit anything
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Gorush manages to kill the reinforcements again it seems and nada has to retreat his forces. Nada has vessel tech now, trying to harass with mutas, not really doing well. Loses 2 mutas needlessly. He only has about 3 mutas left while nada has this huge ass army.
Gorush has a hidden expo at 5 but nada scouts it. Nada moving out with a ball now, looks like Gorush won't be able to hold this. Irradiates mutas, all mutas die, spire dies. Gorush blocks ramp w/ 2 lurker eggs but it's not gonna hold for long.
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pantech is literally the worst team in the proleague by far
they have absolutely no good players EXCEPT for nada. their entire strategy revolves around nada winning 2 games and some other player or the 2v2 team pulling some wierd win
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Nada kills the lurkers, loses his vessel, he's in gorush's base, gorush GG's.
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Pretty good game. If nada had played like this for the last month or so, maybe he'd still be in a starleague.
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SKT1 could have just sent oov and take the victory, perhaps the coach is on lsd or something? with his 100 different 2v2 combo's that never work, sending gorush and midas for ace..
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Crowd going wild! NaDa chanting
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lol gorush what was that ???...stupid
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Valhalla18444 Posts
hahahaha damn, nada
I like how at the end he holds up his jacket with the badges on it like "Say, park tae min, where are YOUR osl badges?"
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Ya nada was just rushing to finish that game
gorush only had a chance of winning in the first 5 min
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United States20661 Posts
GoRush had that game won, but for one sunken.
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
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On June 06 2007 00:32 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
hahahaha damn, nada
I like how at the end he holds up his jacket with the badges on it like "Say, park tae min, where are YOUR osl badges?"
Yeah he holds those badges proud, and wears them well imo.
Always good to have NaDa around :-)
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On June 06 2007 00:30 Day[9] wrote:
pantech is literally the worst team in the proleague by far
they have absolutely no good players EXCEPT for nada. their entire strategy revolves around nada winning 2 games and some other player or the 2v2 team pulling some wierd win
Well T1 is about as shitty these days, they basically auto-lose 2v2s and ace games so they need to win games 1, 2 and 4 every time.
T1 manager should just come back to Canata/Rumble (although Canata has a strong 1v1), but I guess he'll just go for HyuK/In_Dove next time instead (who must have a combined 12% winning records in 1v1).
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On June 06 2007 00:27 PoP wrote:
(About early game) So basically Gorush breaks Nada's ramp early, kills SEVERAL depots, and then Nada moves out with m&m and break Gorush's line... WTF GORUSH??
(Ain't watching the game, but that's just uber-lame.)
Gorush got two depots, but they were rebuilt almost immediately with cover from a bunker that he couldn't kill. He didn't get many scvs, either. Then he kept playing aggressively, but all he did was lose units. Nada, meanwhile, barely lost any units.
Gorush should stick with not rushing I guess. :/ That, or time his sunks better. That'd work, too. 
Edited to add the quote.
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United States10774 Posts
the commentators are like
how teh fuck he win that
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On June 06 2007 00:34 Pyrthas wrote:
PoP: Gorush got two depots, but they were rebuilt almost immediately with cover from a bunker that he couldn't kill. He didn't get many scvs, either. Then he kept playing aggressively, but all he did was lose units. Nada, meanwhile, barely lost any units.
Gorush should stick with not rushing I guess. :/
Nah, if he had gotten those 3 sunkens or even 2 sunkens few seconds earlier he would have had BIG advantage. He had suchhhh a good start.
Nada's bold decision to attack with pure marines was just..money.
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I love NaDa's expression at his ceremony, it was like a
"This is who I am, mother fucker." look.
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NaDa's pure marine attack, even 5 seconds before his Medics get there, was art.
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On June 06 2007 00:35 OneOther wrote:
Nah, if he had gotten those 3 sunkens or even 2 sunkens few seconds earlier he would have had BIG advantage. He had suchhhh a good start. Shh, I meant to say that and added it 30 seconds after my post, you weren't supposed to notice. :/
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Nada didnt lose many units but he also couldn't build any units.
Therefore his economy and offense was slowed down. Yet still gorush can't manage to get his sunkens up in time
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On June 06 2007 00:34 Pyrthas wrote:
PoP: Gorush got two depots, but they were rebuilt almost immediately with cover from a bunker that he couldn't kill. He didn't get many scvs, either. Then he kept playing aggressively, but all he did was lose units. Nada, meanwhile, barely lost any units.
Gorush should stick with not rushing I guess. :/
Yeah he's tons better when macroing/managing. His all-ins ALWAYS fail.
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lol, that was a pretty hyped match. It was pretty intense, even tho a longer match would've probably been better.
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fucking gorush are you joking
you are so far ahead you idiot, make another sunken it's like 1 drone
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Nada coulda probably even defended that initial rush had he effectively used his scv drill to fuck up the ling pathing, but he didnt. So I think GoRush #1 got lucky and #2 was way ahead and #3 still lost like a dumbass
Also the chat in that livechat on sc2.org drives me nuts 
yea yea I know I don't have to sign in but curiosity always gets the better of me
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On June 06 2007 00:30 Day[9] wrote:
pantech is literally the worst team in the proleague by far
they have absolutely no good players EXCEPT for nada. their entire strategy revolves around nada winning 2 games and some other player or the 2v2 team pulling some wierd win
ace is pretty much exactly the same if you swap nada's name with mumyung's
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skt1s coach must be one of the most stupid people in programing. up there with midas and that zerg 2on2 player..
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More points for me ;]
Nada+Nada+2v2 = win?
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That was NaDa way of releasing his frustrations of a dissapointing month.
He's back!
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On June 06 2007 00:30 Day[9] wrote:
pantech is literally the worst team in the proleague by far
they have absolutely no good players EXCEPT for nada. their entire strategy revolves around nada winning 2 games and some other player or the 2v2 team pulling some wierd win
Remind you of anyone else? (ACE)
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I was going to comment on the preview calling Nada a "has-been" just because he's slumping, but I guess beating Midas and Gorush to save your team speaks for itself. Nada, Boxer, Reach, Oov, Savior, none of them will ever be "has-beens" in my eyes.
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skt 1 losing another ace, why am I not surprised?
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skt 1 losing another ace, why am I not surprised?
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Looks like I missed one hell of a match.
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On June 06 2007 03:10 humblegar wrote:
I was going to comment on the preview calling Nada a "has-been" just because he's slumping, but I guess beating Midas and Gorush to save your team speaks for itself. Nada, Boxer, Reach, Oov, Savior, none of them will ever be "has-beens" in my eyes.
reach is like a never was? Oo
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On June 06 2007 02:34 Resonate wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2007 00:30 Day[9] wrote:
pantech is literally the worst team in the proleague by far
they have absolutely no good players EXCEPT for nada. their entire strategy revolves around nada winning 2 games and some other player or the 2v2 team pulling some wierd win Remind you of anyone else? (ACE)
the problem is boxer is too unselfish to let others play the ace match and make the chances of losing bigger T_T
except that time when mummy pulled it in... mummy <3
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
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i can't believe gorush lost after being so ahead with that rush... nada defended pretty much perfectly and countered very well, i must say... and just when you thought nada has lost his edge =P
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SKT's coach really has bad decision-making...losing all those ace matches?
Plus, they need to decide who's going to play 2v2 and let the focus their practise time, PLUS learning to actually be a team rather than 2 1v1 players thrown together, without learning how to co-operate, each other's quirks and tendencies, etc. Learning how different races can support each other instead of trying to play 2 1v1's in a match, and learning to coordinate attacks and defense.
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bout time nada pulled his bloody socks up...
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On June 06 2007 08:13 Kaolla wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2007 03:10 humblegar wrote:
I was going to comment on the preview calling Nada a "has-been" just because he's slumping, but I guess beating Midas and Gorush to save your team speaks for itself. Nada, Boxer, Reach, Oov, Savior, none of them will ever be "has-beens" in my eyes.
reach is like a never was? Oo
Die!
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EPT
