EPT
Cut him some slack guys
On October 16 2018 20:12 Kaley wrote:
"You can have a base for free
I'm gonna have game 3" ~ Tasteless
"You can have a base for free
I'm gonna have game 3" ~ Tasteless
hahahaha Tasteless is the man
[ASL6] Ro8 Flash vs Mini - Page 10
| Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments |
|
JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
Cut him some slack guys hahahaha Tasteless is the man | ||
|
Freakling
Germany1534 Posts
On October 17 2018 18:28 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: The long attack cooldown and slow pre-attack animation (and lack of truning rate) are actually what make Dragoons so much better microable than for example Goliaths (which you cannot really micro at all in ground to ground engagements due to their long attack animation coupled with a high attack rate).1. Goliaths. 2. BW is designed for you to fix "bad AI". Basically if you control every dragoon individually, you'll get the job done. Now its up to you if you can actually do that or not. PS. Reaver scarab AI is also not entirely luck. If you drop the reaver right in the middle of SCV's - no bugs will occur. Its only when you want to snipe something from the distance/behind the minerals/buildings wall - thats a choice in a sense of big risk/big reward. Cases exist where Reaver attack range is reduced to one in a certain direction. So viable targets really need to be right next to the Reaver. | ||
|
Athinira
Denmark33 Posts
On October 17 2018 08:29 Freakling wrote:And this is where you are just wrong. "Retarded Dragoons" is but a myth. Pathfinding is exactly the same for all units - they are all on a bad trip. As for Reaver jams: Demanding a change is cheap and simple. Actually fixing the issue probably not. What would be your solution? You'd have to implement a better heuristic for ground distance calculations, but only specifically for Scarabs, because otherwise you'd completely change all pathfinding. No they're not. The thing about Dragoon pathfinding is that the size of the unit itself actually changes when they move, because the legs were designed to take up space as well, and they extend when the unit moves. This sometimes causesin the unit the come on top of themselves or other units, which creates the equivalent effect of a worker drill. This was explained by a Starcraft programmer in an interview once. | ||
|
Aminus
Bulgaria35 Posts
On October 18 2018 01:04 Athinira wrote: No they're not. The thing about Dragoon pathfinding is that the size of the unit itself actually changes when they move, because the legs were designed to take up space as well, and they extend when the unit moves. This sometimes causesin the unit the come on top of themselves or other units, which creates the equivalent effect of a worker drill. This was explained by a Starcraft programmer in an interview once. Thats probably the reason why goons does that bug i talked about earlier and their inabillity to walk up ramps normally. In the meantime we have tanks who can break the physics and can go into each others body no problem. They appear to be the same size of a dragoon even they are not the same size actually... Giving opinion that something needs to be fixed is what community should do, job of the developers is to fix that. What about the stop dragoon bug that appeared in 1.16 patch, is that thing fixed in remastered? On October 17 2018 18:28 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: 1. Goliaths. 2. BW is designed for you to fix "bad AI". Basically if you control every dragoon individually, you'll get the job done. Now its up to you if you can actually do that or not. Controling every dragoon indivivtually sounds ridicilous to me, struggling to fight with goon AI while my opponent execute attack and make a macro round or drop me in the mineral line. If game is played on normal or fast speed yeah maybe its worth doing it. | ||
|
jello_biafra
United Kingdom6642 Posts
On October 18 2018 02:06 Aminus wrote: What about the stop dragoon bug that appeared in 1.16 patch, is that thing fixed in remastered? I think that bug has been around from the beginning. But no, unfortunately it hasn't yet been resolved in remastered. | ||
|
outscar
2832 Posts
Unimpressed FlaSh picture is gold btw. | ||
|
SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1717 Posts
| ||
|
Freakling
Germany1534 Posts
On October 18 2018 01:04 Athinira wrote: Source? Or show me one instance where Dragoons stack just by themselves (hint: they don't). I am sure you misunderstood something (and I mean: absolutely, 100% sure!).No they're not. The thing about Dragoon pathfinding is that the size of the unit itself actually changes when they move, because the legs were designed to take up space as well, and they extend when the unit moves. This sometimes causesin the unit the come on top of themselves or other units, which creates the equivalent effect of a worker drill. This was explained by a Starcraft programmer in an interview once. Seriously, I actually figured out the probable original source of this particular bullshit speculation some time ago. Day9 asserted it in one of his podcasts and it became very prominent for some reason (my personal best guess is that people actually want to believe it because Dragoons, or Goliaths for that matter, "look" retarded due to their walking animations, so they are inclined to assume there is some kind of "physical reality" to what is actually just a sprite animation). For the engine the Dragoon is but a 32x32-pixel-sized collision box moving at a constant speed, nothing more. On October 18 2018 02:06 Aminus wrote: Are you talking about vortices now (also a general, not a Dragoon-specific, bug!) or just the usual bumper cars (again: all units do that, Dragoons can sometimes wander off quicker because they have no turn animation and therefore no delay before changing directions)Thats probably the reason why goons does that bug i talked about earlier and their inabillity to walk up ramps normally. In the meantime we have tanks who can break the physics and can go into each others body no problem. Your misunderstanding seems to stem from the fact that you seem to ascribe some sort of physical reality to mere sprites.They appear to be the same size of a dragoon even they are not the same size actually... For the Engine Dragoons and Tanks actually have exactly the same collision size…Giving opinion that something needs to be fixed is what community should do, job of the developers is to fix that. What exactly? What about the stop dragoon bug that appeared in 1.16 patch, is that thing fixed in remastered? This is also not a Dragoon specific bug, so you should better call it "attack freeze bug". It's only most likely to occur with Dragoons because they have the longest pre-attack animation of all units.They said they'd fix that with the first release of RM, but then apparently retracted, probably because the "fix" actually did not address the problem or had some other unwanted consequences for gameplay. | ||
|
EndingLife
United States1605 Posts
I've noticed it happens more when you press attack and click on the scv, not so much when you press attack and click the ground near an scv. The dragoon simply stops and if you click attack somewhere else, it refuses to move. I usually press stop and click directly on the ground to the right and left of the dragoon quickly to get it unstuck. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On October 18 2018 05:39 EndingLife wrote: I've had the most problems with dragoons out of any of the unit in the game. Not so much with pathing or them getting stacked on a ramp, but simply them stopping after firing. It happens to me pretty often when chasing a scouting scv. I've noticed it happens more when you press attack and click on the scv, not so much when you press attack and click the ground near an scv. The dragoon simply stops and if you click attack somewhere else, it refuses to move. I usually press stop and click directly on the ground to the right and left of the dragoon quickly to get it unstuck. I've this happen with marines before for similar reasons. Thankfully, it's a quick fix ^^ | ||
|
machinus
United States292 Posts
On October 17 2018 11:55 Athinira wrote: While this series was a big disappointment, I'm looking forward to Flash vs Shuttle. Back when i was getting into watching StarCraft games, i watched Flash playing the 2009 GOM TV Intel Averatec Classic Season 3. While Flash pretty much steamrolled the entire tournament, losing only 1 map to Iris/Berserker in the final (earning him a score of 14-1 in the tournament), i remember his first map against Shuttle in the quarter-finals on Heartbreak Ridge. Basically, the entire map got mined out more or less before Shuttle finally threw in the towel. One of the absolutely best Macro games i have ever seen. Semi-final against JulyZerg was also really good, with Flash almost getting killed by an early ling-rush, only to stage a comeback against July. Too bad the VODs of these games doesn't exist anymore But I'm really hyped for the semi between those two!Really? We have lost vods from as recently as 2009? No one has the Averatec games? | ||
|
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
| ||
|
machinus
United States292 Posts
On October 18 2018 13:43 BigFan wrote: Depends on your definition of recently since that's over 9 years ago. Having said that, I'm sure someone still has them saved on a hard drive somewhere. I would consider 2009 to be recent, of course. I have to accept that early BW games will be lost, like those from pre-Boxer era. But 2009? Those were broadcast everywhere and I'm sure re-cast on Youtube in English. How could we lose them? | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51701 Posts
| ||
|
MattRz
Chile1681 Posts
| ||
|
Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
They have to merge to become the Protoss/Zerg Hybrid race lol. It is the only hope of beating tesagi lol. Just think about it lol: Dragoons, Psi Storms, DTs, Reavers, Speed Shuttles, Carrier tech, Stasis and Recall Combined with Lurker expand, lategame Ultralisks, Dark Swarm, Plague, Doom Drops, Muta harass, and lategame Broodlings *Evil Grin | ||
|
Miragee
8714 Posts
| ||
|
Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
| ||
|
Barneyk
Sweden320 Posts
On October 19 2018 23:15 Alpha-NP- wrote: Or Lurkers hitting your own Zealots lol. Does Lurkers have ally-splash? I though they didn't... | ||
|
sM.Zik
Canada2553 Posts
On October 20 2018 02:44 Barneyk wrote: Does Lurkers have ally-splash? I though they didn't... Lurkers do have allied players splash, but no splash to your own others units. | ||
| ||
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/siKbQUH.jpg)
