EPT[ASL 5] 3rd Place Match: HerO vs Mini - Page 6
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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xccam
Great Britain1154 Posts
On May 13 2018 21:18 Golgotha wrote: that game was good because mini kept fking up. hero busted through 6 fking reavers behind a choke with like 6 cannons defending. mini somehow lost all his shit to that crap. then mini loses shuttles full of reavers. then mini attacks up a ramp when another base a screen away is wide open. 4 zealots could have taken it out. It's almost like starcraft is hard, he's been playing for 2 hours, was in a stressful situation facing a possible reverse sweep and doesn't have the fog of war off! | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
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razorsuKe
Canada2053 Posts
On May 13 2018 21:17 xccam wrote: I know it's only the 3rd/4th place match - but if there was any doubt that HerO is THE zerg right now there shouldn't be. Mini made mistakes, but HerO winning that superb match was just amazing. Lets keep 3rd World next season please ASL - probably 3 or 4 of the top 5 sets this season were on that map. Yeah he definitely showed his experience and confidence on game 5, it really shows the difference between seasoned pro vs upcoming ameteur I feel like he gave up sparkle and did what he had to do on games 3 and 4 This also marks the first 0-2 comeback in all ASLs | ||
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tanngard
Norway1325 Posts
On May 13 2018 21:18 Golgotha wrote: that game was good because mini kept fking up. hero busted through 6 fking reavers behind a choke with like 6 cannons defending. mini somehow lost all his shit to that crap. then mini loses shuttles full of reavers. then mini attacks up a ramp when another base a screen away is wide open. 4 zealots could have taken it out. You keep forgetting all the small brilliant moves Mini made in that game. Dont be like that. Mini played great under all the pressure. Otherwise he would never had survived as long as he did Everyone does mistakes in bw. Its a game of priorities. If you choose to focus on only the mistakes, you are missing the other good things the player is doing often simultanously. Also, you have to realize that Hero was dropping a lot of hydras over those reavers. How is mini going to micro that? Its impossible. | ||
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Ty2
United States1434 Posts
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razorsuKe
Canada2053 Posts
On May 13 2018 21:23 tanngard wrote: You keep forgetting all the small brilliant moves Mini made in that game. Dont be like that. Mini played great under all the pressure. Otherwise he would never had survived as long as he did Everyone does mistakes in bw. Its a game of priorities. If you choose to focus on only the mistakes, you are missing the other good things the player is doing often simultanously. Also, you have to realize that Hero was dropping a lot of hydras over those reavers. How is mini going to micro that? Its impossible. I don't think anyone doubts that Mini played an incredible early game, but when it came down to crisis time and he moved to the 3rd world side his mistakes kept piling up. I think if he took a moment to just collect his thoughts and focus on 1 goal at that point, he would have taken it with ease. Instead, he tried to do way too much and ended up splitting up all his actions and letting zerg slowly slip into the 3rd world and take control. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On May 13 2018 21:23 tanngard wrote: You keep forgetting all the small brilliant moves Mini made in that game. Dont be like that. Mini played great under all the pressure. Otherwise he would never had survived as long as he did Everyone does mistakes in bw. Its a game of priorities. If you choose to focus on only the mistakes, you are missing the other good things the player is doing often simultanously. Also, you have to realize that Hero was dropping a lot of hydras over those reavers. How is mini going to micro that? Its impossible. I'm with golgotha on this one, mini played poorly. To me it seems he rode the very protoss favored maps to a top4 finish and showed a lot of holes in his game. I hope he proves me wrong with a different mappool next season as we need strong newcomers. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On May 13 2018 21:23 tanngard wrote: You keep forgetting all the small brilliant moves Mini made in that game. Dont be like that. Mini played great under all the pressure. Otherwise he would never had survived as long as he did Everyone does mistakes in bw. Its a game of priorities. If you choose to focus on only the mistakes, you are missing the other good things the player is doing often simultanously. Also, you have to realize that Hero was dropping a lot of hydras over those reavers. How is mini going to micro that? Its impossible. nah man I ain't hating on mini.He was in a dominant position and he dropped the ball big time. he lost 3 shuttles with reavers inside and he couldn't hold a narrow choke with 5+ reavers and 5+ cannons. Mini completely destroyed Hero when hero tried busting through with drops and mass hydra. slaughtered. mini had time to prepare for the 2nd wave of hydras and the 2nd wave didn't even come with drops. mini gave hero enough time to bring up his 2nd wave and run over the 4 reavers. the 2nd wave was a lot less than the 1st, but that led to a base trade. and then Mini has a chance to kill Hero's base with the most drones, but instead he surrounds a base that is on a ramp where ALL o fhero's hydras are. he goes up and dies. he should have shifted his army to the exposed hatch when he saw all those hydras. I ain't saying Mini is some sort of idiot or a loser, hell no. He's a great player and definitely deserves top 4. but he objectively made glaring mistakes in this game when he had the dominant position. imo, he was tilted. edit: he actually lost more shuttles, but the shuttles I am speaking of are the shuttles where he flies over a bunch of hydras... | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7090 Posts
On May 13 2018 21:31 nojok wrote: I'm with golgotha on this one, mini played poorly. To me it seems he rode the very protoss favored maps to a top4 finish and showed a lot of holes in his game. I hope he proves me wrong with a different mappool next season as we need strong newcomers. we have 3 protoss players in the top 4. what do you think ? | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
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oxKnu
1267 Posts
Great job on Afreeca for choosing Third World and also Transistor (more tactical map but still awesome). | ||
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arbiter_md
Moldova1219 Posts
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Esp1noza
Russian Federation481 Posts
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
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tanngard
Norway1325 Posts
On May 13 2018 21:33 Golgotha wrote: nah man I ain't hating on mini.He was in a dominant position and he dropped the ball big time. he lost 3 shuttles with reavers inside and he couldn't hold a narrow choke with 5+ reavers and 5+ cannons. Mini completely destroyed Hero when hero tried busting through with drops and mass hydra. slaughtered. mini had time to prepare for the 2nd wave of hydras and the 2nd wave didn't even come with drops. mini gave hero enough time to bring up his 2nd wave and run over the 4 reavers. the 2nd wave was a lot less than the 1st, but that led to a base trade. and then Mini has a chance to kill Hero's base with the most drones, but instead he surrounds a base that is on a ramp where ALL o fhero's hydras are. he goes up and dies. he should have shifted his army to the exposed hatch when he saw all those hydras. I ain't saying Mini is some sort of idiot or a loser, hell no. He's a great player and definitely deserves top 4. but he objectively made glaring mistakes in this game when he had the dominant position. imo, he was tilted. edit: he actually lost more shuttles, but the shuttles I am speaking of are the shuttles where he flies over a bunch of hydras... Mini did defended the choke with his reavers. He did it despite the overlords dropping over his reavers, with good probe block and reaver pickups. And how could he have prepared for the 2nd wave when it came only 20 seconds later? By ferrying units over to his own natural? Well maybe, but why not just go for a base trade? He had already bulilt all his gateways on the other side. His gameplan was to dominate there, not to spend half his apm on ferrying units just to defend his natural and main when there are more resources to be taken on the other side of the map. About those two shuttles he lost by flying them over a returning group of hydras in the middle of the map. They probably had some dark templar in them because Mini was similtanously clearing the overlords in the last remaining base for Hero in the down right corner. He also was microing a reaver at Heros natural. This is multitasking protoss style. Its very unforgiven when it goes wrong, but it is what you have to do.. Hero also did mistakes, but it doesnt cost you that much to lose some hydras vs the cost of losing reavers and dark templar does it? You have to make decions at the fractions of a second. Which means that you cannot just stop up and think too hard about what you should do. Intuition has to take over and you have to, as they say in speed-chess - "play with your hands, not with you head". But sure Mini a did bit more mistakes then Hero. And its why he eventually Hero won the game. But if you were to analyze all the micro decisions that were made by Mini throughout that game, the mistakes get outdrowned by all the good ones. This is why i get triggered by your comment that the "only reason that the game was good because of Mini fking it up". Thats literally what you said. | ||
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tanngard
Norway1325 Posts
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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tanngard
Norway1325 Posts
Jangbi once said that pvz is like walking on a razors edge all the time. You are playing against the idea of losing, which is scientifically proven to be much harder mentally than just playing to win. Wish more people could appreciate that. | ||
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orvinreyes
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