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I don't know man, the fact that there was no thread yet shows how disappointed everyone is with the finals matchup. 
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^ I doubt that's the reason. Also, LR threads are something that the community always made on their own, aka it was extremely rare that staff members got involved with all the other stuff going on in the KeSPA era.
Anyways, let's go hero!
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Poor hero
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Toss slaying zerg left and right these days
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lmao. that mini picture on the big screen. looks like TY.
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On May 13 2018 20:00 Warfie wrote:
Toss slaying zerg left and right these days
Third world + sparkle, what are zergs even supposed to do?
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On May 13 2018 20:05 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2018 20:00 Warfie wrote:
Toss slaying zerg left and right these days Third world + sparkle, what are zergs even supposed to do?
pray that toss does not go corsair shuttle.
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Sad to see hero, who used to be a protoss killer, doing so bad again
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Hot white girl? Must center camera on her for extended amount of time.
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Mini is gonna tilt again like crazy. he looks like he just lost his job or something. he takes things pretty hard.
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He should at least win the "normal" maps
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lol, game 3 was faster then the time we waited for the game
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Mini clearly didnt shave lol
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Would be neat with 2 good games now, but I think mini has the next one
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On May 13 2018 20:13 Golgotha wrote:
Mini is gonna tilt again like crazy. he looks like he just lost his job or something. he takes things pretty hard.
If hero dominates hardcore on gladiator, he'll crumble on the final map imo. He doesn't have a ton of experience and would feel pressured from reverse sweep too so he'll make uncharacteristic mistakes.
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Poll: Recommend Game 3?Noo (18) 67% If you have time homie (5) 19% Oh yeah, most def (4) 15% 27 total votes Your vote: Recommend Game 3? (Vote): Oh yeah, most def
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On May 13 2018 20:17 razorsuKe wrote:Poll: Recommend Game 3?Noo (18) 67% If you have time homie (5) 19% Oh yeah, most def (4) 15% 27 total votes Your vote: Recommend Game 3? (Vote): Oh yeah, most def
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(Vote): If you have time homie
Where's the "you definitely have time" option?
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more korean grills than normal. I approve
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On May 13 2018 20:18 xccam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2018 20:17 razorsuKe wrote:Poll: Recommend Game 3?Noo (18) 67% If you have time homie (5) 19% Oh yeah, most def (4) 15% 27 total votes Your vote: Recommend Game 3? (Vote): Oh yeah, most def
(Vote): Noo
(Vote): If you have time homie
Where's the "you definitely have time" option?
"If you have time homie"?
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On May 13 2018 20:16 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2018 20:13 Golgotha wrote:
Mini is gonna tilt again like crazy. he looks like he just lost his job or something. he takes things pretty hard. If hero dominates hardcore on gladiator, he'll crumble on the final map imo. He doesn't have a ton of experience and would feel pressured from reverse sweep too so he'll make uncharacteristic mistakes.
He did make a lot of mistakes on third world, it did not matter.
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Hero smells Protoss fear. he is gonna go for the jugular here. and then toy with his prey in the final match.
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On May 13 2018 20:18 xccam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2018 20:17 razorsuKe wrote:Poll: Recommend Game 3?Noo (18) 67% If you have time homie (5) 19% Oh yeah, most def (4) 15% 27 total votes Your vote: Recommend Game 3? (Vote): Oh yeah, most def
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(Vote): If you have time homie
Where's the "you definitely have time" option?
That would be: "Oh yeah, most def"
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On May 13 2018 20:20 Golgotha wrote:
Hero smells Protoss fear. he is gonna go for the jugular here. and then toy with his prey in the final match.
oh man, mini is so shaky right now, I can feel his nerves through the screen =\
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On May 13 2018 20:19 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2018 20:16 BigFan wrote:On May 13 2018 20:13 Golgotha wrote:
Mini is gonna tilt again like crazy. he looks like he just lost his job or something. he takes things pretty hard. If hero dominates hardcore on gladiator, he'll crumble on the final map imo. He doesn't have a ton of experience and would feel pressured from reverse sweep too so he'll make uncharacteristic mistakes. He did make a lot of mistakes on third world, it did not matter.
Sure he did but it's not like hero played perfectly either. He also wasn't shaken up in the first game, he is now.
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legit looks like mini gonna cry. ASL needs to hire a counselor for him.
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Reposting from the other thread:
On May 13 2018 19:32 Alur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2018 19:19 r.Evo wrote:
Thread for Mini vs Hero pretty please? :3
Mini killing his own pylon during the cannonrush to avoid the super-range sunken being able to kill his cannon was pretty genius. I don't understand how that works.
You know the infinite range sunken bug, right?
What happened during the cannon rush between hero vs mini was that the pylon was in range of the sunkens (but not the cannons) and the hatchery was in range of the cannons:
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So when the sunken is in its pre-attack animation against the pylon and the cannon hits the hatchery during this window the aggro of the sunken swaps to the cannon and can actually hit it because the infinite range bug occurs.
That's why mini killed off his own pylon and made a new one further to the left:
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It didn't matter in the end because hero ended up defending it but it's still a great play.
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All those emotions, must be rough especially with a pool first and a hydra bust.
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and now mini crumbles, i think hero will take the series
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Can't be top 3 if you can't tank 2 quick losses and come back, my boy mini will surely step it up last game
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On May 13 2018 20:28 BigFan wrote:
All those emotions, must be rough especially with a pool first and a hydra bust.
yup. worst way to lose.
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On May 13 2018 20:12 razorsuKe wrote:
Hot white girl? Must center camera on her for extended amount of time.
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/zANEV9h.jpg)
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On May 13 2018 20:36 v1 wrote:
herO got this
Ya I believe!
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ooo I'm liking this, Mini is looking more confident now
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Mini would be bad at poker. I hope he wins, so he does not wallow in misery.
Mini is playing very safe. good.
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cannon up mini. like 5 cannons. gogogo!
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miniiiiiiiiiiiiiii put more cannons !! don't be greedy !!!
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Does mini need another pylon in the back?
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hero probes man. that was like helms deep action
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i dont blame hero for trying to bust. sair reaver on this map is insanely good
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On May 13 2018 20:48 razorsuKe wrote:
OH MY GOD heart attack
lmao. you have money on this dont u? good job bro 
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On May 13 2018 20:48 Golgotha wrote:lmao. you have money on this dont u? good job bro
LOL I do
upon reflection, it definitely feels like too much T_T
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uuhhhh wtf... reavers attack yo
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This....... is... working? What the hell.
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WHAT IS GOING ON
oh man, you think you can relax for one second but hero just kept up that pressure!
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mini seems fine right now. game reset pretty much
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WHAT he left the evo alive?? that should have been a priority
This might turn into a LONG game, could even be 3rd world vs Regular land for a while
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mini is chocking at the end
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well this is the best BW game in the past 2 years
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mini, why aren't u making more speedlots?!
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mini has like 800+ minerals constantly. use it bro. u need everything now.
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Mini is showing his ameteurness, the slow reaction to battles, the bad positioning
He's making his 3 base look like he's starving =\
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I really hope Third World is in the next season of ASL. It's a little bit of a weird map, but the games here have consistently been incredible to watch.
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lol no robo?! u gotta be kidding me. that's like what I do =)
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omg forgot about lurkers, no obs, NO ROBO ssshhhiiiittttttttt
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This is one of the weirdest games in a long time.
I'm predicting Third World 2.0 will be in the next ASL
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On May 13 2018 21:03 Murchaldo wrote:
I really hope Third World is in the next season of ASL. It's a little bit of a weird map, but the games here have consistently been incredible to watch.
concur, this map has produced incredible enjoyment
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mini: Here hero. take the game. here, win! win!
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On May 13 2018 21:03 Murchaldo wrote:
I really hope Third World is in the next season of ASL. It's a little bit of a weird map, but the games here have consistently been incredible to watch.
Fully agree
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DDUUUDDEEEE is protoss mini's main race?
wtf is going on? this looks so incredibly sloppy, only making a robo now??
if herO hives and nydus' into the 3rd world, he's essentially toast
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This is the kind of game that everyone dreams of when they play an RTS. the one in 10,000 games where it actually is nothing but non-stop strategy and tactics. Base trades, tech switches, a rush that didn't work.
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hhmmm I just realized something: reavers are good for the regular land, but kinda useless for the 3rd world cause the minerals face the outside so you can't protect it with scarabs
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mini, wtf?! get that other base. u gotta be kidding me.
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mini could have won if he just went across the bridge earlier.
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On May 13 2018 21:10 Golgotha wrote:
mini, wtf?! get that other base. u gotta be kidding me.
maaannnn mini had so many options but he chose to try to do everything at once, this game looks so done now =\
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Why didnt he pick of the hathcery!!!
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If we could get more games like that RTS would be soooooooooo much more popular
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Well deserved for hero, sick comeback with a great finale.
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I know it's only the 3rd/4th place match - but if there was any doubt that HerO is THE zerg right now there shouldn't be.
Mini made mistakes, but HerO winning that superb match was just amazing.
Lets keep 3rd World next season please ASL - probably 3 or 4 of the top 5 sets this season were on that map.
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I cannot believe that game...it was so close
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that game was good because mini kept fking up. hero busted through 6 fking reavers behind a choke with like 6 cannons defending. mini somehow lost all his shit to that crap. then mini loses shuttles full of reavers. then mini attacks up a ramp when another base a screen away is wide open. 4 zealots could have taken it out.
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GG wp hero! Really tense game.
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That was great, worth staying up to 7 AM!
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It was weird, both players had no clue what the other was doing for a long time and eventually the better player won, gratz.
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On May 13 2018 21:18 Golgotha wrote:
that game was good because mini kept fking up. hero busted through 6 fking reavers behind a choke with like 6 cannons defending. mini somehow lost all his shit to that crap. then mini loses shuttles full of reavers. then mini attacks up a ramp when another base a screen away is wide open. 4 zealots could have taken it out.
It's almost like starcraft is hard, he's been playing for 2 hours, was in a stressful situation facing a possible reverse sweep and doesn't have the fog of war off!
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goodbye hero. great job~ Hero is going military T_T
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On May 13 2018 21:17 xccam wrote:
I know it's only the 3rd/4th place match - but if there was any doubt that HerO is THE zerg right now there shouldn't be.
Mini made mistakes, but HerO winning that superb match was just amazing.
Lets keep 3rd World next season please ASL - probably 3 or 4 of the top 5 sets this season were on that map.
Yeah he definitely showed his experience and confidence on game 5, it really shows the difference between seasoned pro vs upcoming ameteur
I feel like he gave up sparkle and did what he had to do on games 3 and 4
This also marks the first 0-2 comeback in all ASLs
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On May 13 2018 21:18 Golgotha wrote:
that game was good because mini kept fking up. hero busted through 6 fking reavers behind a choke with like 6 cannons defending. mini somehow lost all his shit to that crap. then mini loses shuttles full of reavers. then mini attacks up a ramp when another base a screen away is wide open. 4 zealots could have taken it out.
You keep forgetting all the small brilliant moves Mini made in that game. Dont be like that. Mini played great under all the pressure. Otherwise he would never had survived as long as he did
Everyone does mistakes in bw. Its a game of priorities. If you choose to focus on only the mistakes, you are missing the other good things the player is doing often simultanously.
Also, you have to realize that Hero was dropping a lot of hydras over those reavers. How is mini going to micro that? Its impossible.
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Hero, you magnificent man, you. This was the perfect send off. Amazing! I freaking love HERO!!!!! Jo Il Jang forever!!!!
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On May 13 2018 21:23 tanngard wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2018 21:18 Golgotha wrote:
that game was good because mini kept fking up. hero busted through 6 fking reavers behind a choke with like 6 cannons defending. mini somehow lost all his shit to that crap. then mini loses shuttles full of reavers. then mini attacks up a ramp when another base a screen away is wide open. 4 zealots could have taken it out. You keep forgetting all the small brilliant moves Mini made in that game. Dont be like that. Mini played great under all the pressure. Otherwise he would never had survived as long as he did Everyone does mistakes in bw. Its a game of priorities. If you choose to focus on only the mistakes, you are missing the other good things the player is doing often simultanously. Also, you have to realize that Hero was dropping a lot of hydras over those reavers. How is mini going to micro that? Its impossible.
I don't think anyone doubts that Mini played an incredible early game, but when it came down to crisis time and he moved to the 3rd world side his mistakes kept piling up.
I think if he took a moment to just collect his thoughts and focus on 1 goal at that point, he would have taken it with ease.
Instead, he tried to do way too much and ended up splitting up all his actions and letting zerg slowly slip into the 3rd world and take control.
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On May 13 2018 21:23 tanngard wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2018 21:18 Golgotha wrote:
that game was good because mini kept fking up. hero busted through 6 fking reavers behind a choke with like 6 cannons defending. mini somehow lost all his shit to that crap. then mini loses shuttles full of reavers. then mini attacks up a ramp when another base a screen away is wide open. 4 zealots could have taken it out. You keep forgetting all the small brilliant moves Mini made in that game. Dont be like that. Mini played great under all the pressure. Otherwise he would never had survived as long as he did Everyone does mistakes in bw. Its a game of priorities. If you choose to focus on only the mistakes, you are missing the other good things the player is doing often simultanously. Also, you have to realize that Hero was dropping a lot of hydras over those reavers. How is mini going to micro that? Its impossible.
I'm with golgotha on this one, mini played poorly. To me it seems he rode the very protoss favored maps to a top4 finish and showed a lot of holes in his game. I hope he proves me wrong with a different mappool next season as we need strong newcomers.
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On May 13 2018 21:23 tanngard wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2018 21:18 Golgotha wrote:
that game was good because mini kept fking up. hero busted through 6 fking reavers behind a choke with like 6 cannons defending. mini somehow lost all his shit to that crap. then mini loses shuttles full of reavers. then mini attacks up a ramp when another base a screen away is wide open. 4 zealots could have taken it out. You keep forgetting all the small brilliant moves Mini made in that game. Dont be like that. Mini played great under all the pressure. Otherwise he would never had survived as long as he did Everyone does mistakes in bw. Its a game of priorities. If you choose to focus on only the mistakes, you are missing the other good things the player is doing often simultanously. Also, you have to realize that Hero was dropping a lot of hydras over those reavers. How is mini going to micro that? Its impossible.
nah man I ain't hating on mini.He was in a dominant position and he dropped the ball big time. he lost 3 shuttles with reavers inside and he couldn't hold a narrow choke with 5+ reavers and 5+ cannons. Mini completely destroyed Hero when hero tried busting through with drops and mass hydra. slaughtered. mini had time to prepare for the 2nd wave of hydras and the 2nd wave didn't even come with drops. mini gave hero enough time to bring up his 2nd wave and run over the 4 reavers. the 2nd wave was a lot less than the 1st, but that led to a base trade. and then Mini has a chance to kill Hero's base with the most drones, but instead he surrounds a base that is on a ramp where ALL o fhero's hydras are. he goes up and dies. he should have shifted his army to the exposed hatch when he saw all those hydras.
I ain't saying Mini is some sort of idiot or a loser, hell no. He's a great player and definitely deserves top 4. but he objectively made glaring mistakes in this game when he had the dominant position. imo, he was tilted.
edit: he actually lost more shuttles, but the shuttles I am speaking of are the shuttles where he flies over a bunch of hydras...
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On May 13 2018 21:31 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2018 21:23 tanngard wrote:On May 13 2018 21:18 Golgotha wrote:
that game was good because mini kept fking up. hero busted through 6 fking reavers behind a choke with like 6 cannons defending. mini somehow lost all his shit to that crap. then mini loses shuttles full of reavers. then mini attacks up a ramp when another base a screen away is wide open. 4 zealots could have taken it out. You keep forgetting all the small brilliant moves Mini made in that game. Dont be like that. Mini played great under all the pressure. Otherwise he would never had survived as long as he did Everyone does mistakes in bw. Its a game of priorities. If you choose to focus on only the mistakes, you are missing the other good things the player is doing often simultanously. Also, you have to realize that Hero was dropping a lot of hydras over those reavers. How is mini going to micro that? Its impossible. I'm with golgotha on this one, mini played poorly. To me it seems he rode the very protoss favored maps to a top4 finish and showed a lot of holes in his game. I hope he proves me wrong with a different mappool next season as we need strong newcomers.
we have 3 protoss players in the top 4. what do you think ?
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but damn great game. i love how the crowd reacted when they finally saw the obs.
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Man Third World is like the opposite of Fighting Spirit, every game is unpredictable/crazy and sooo entertaining in the end. Mistakes, genius moves, just everything was in it.
Great job on Afreeca for choosing Third World and also Transistor (more tactical map but still awesome).
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This felt like two separate games played in one. Really nice, although it felt at times like mini was one level bellow. But well deserved victory for Hero.
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Cool games, also want to see theese maps in next ASL seasons, though it looks maps are protoss favoured. But to me games in this ASL more entartaining compared to previous seasons.
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What an amazing game, I believe mini did so many small blunders that allowed hero to crawl back and win
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On May 13 2018 21:33 Golgotha wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2018 21:23 tanngard wrote:On May 13 2018 21:18 Golgotha wrote:
that game was good because mini kept fking up. hero busted through 6 fking reavers behind a choke with like 6 cannons defending. mini somehow lost all his shit to that crap. then mini loses shuttles full of reavers. then mini attacks up a ramp when another base a screen away is wide open. 4 zealots could have taken it out. You keep forgetting all the small brilliant moves Mini made in that game. Dont be like that. Mini played great under all the pressure. Otherwise he would never had survived as long as he did Everyone does mistakes in bw. Its a game of priorities. If you choose to focus on only the mistakes, you are missing the other good things the player is doing often simultanously. Also, you have to realize that Hero was dropping a lot of hydras over those reavers. How is mini going to micro that? Its impossible. nah man I ain't hating on mini.He was in a dominant position and he dropped the ball big time. he lost 3 shuttles with reavers inside and he couldn't hold a narrow choke with 5+ reavers and 5+ cannons. Mini completely destroyed Hero when hero tried busting through with drops and mass hydra. slaughtered. mini had time to prepare for the 2nd wave of hydras and the 2nd wave didn't even come with drops. mini gave hero enough time to bring up his 2nd wave and run over the 4 reavers. the 2nd wave was a lot less than the 1st, but that led to a base trade. and then Mini has a chance to kill Hero's base with the most drones, but instead he surrounds a base that is on a ramp where ALL o fhero's hydras are. he goes up and dies. he should have shifted his army to the exposed hatch when he saw all those hydras. I ain't saying Mini is some sort of idiot or a loser, hell no. He's a great player and definitely deserves top 4. but he objectively made glaring mistakes in this game when he had the dominant position. imo, he was tilted. edit: he actually lost more shuttles, but the shuttles I am speaking of are the shuttles where he flies over a bunch of hydras...
Mini did defended the choke with his reavers. He did it despite the overlords dropping over his reavers, with good probe block and reaver pickups. And how could he have prepared for the 2nd wave when it came only 20 seconds later? By ferrying units over to his own natural? Well maybe, but why not just go for a base trade? He had already bulilt all his gateways on the other side. His gameplan was to dominate there, not to spend half his apm on ferrying units just to defend his natural and main when there are more resources to be taken on the other side of the map.
About those two shuttles he lost by flying them over a returning group of hydras in the middle of the map. They probably had some dark templar in them because Mini was similtanously clearing the overlords in the last remaining base for Hero in the down right corner. He also was microing a reaver at Heros natural. This is multitasking protoss style. Its very unforgiven when it goes wrong, but it is what you have to do.. Hero also did mistakes, but it doesnt cost you that much to lose some hydras vs the cost of losing reavers and dark templar does it? You have to make decions at the fractions of a second. Which means that you cannot just stop up and think too hard about what you should do. Intuition has to take over and you have to, as they say in speed-chess - "play with your hands, not with you head". But sure Mini a did bit more mistakes then Hero. And its why he eventually Hero won the game. But if you were to analyze all the micro decisions that were made by Mini throughout that game, the mistakes get outdrowned by all the good ones. This is why i get triggered by your comment that the "only reason that the game was good because of Mini fking it up". Thats literally what you said.
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And btw, those two shuttles was sent to an area on the map where hydras could not have reached them. Had they been sent a fraction of a second later they would have been totally fine. Instead of watching over them flying over that small corridor where they are under threat, he instead focuses on microing his reaver at Hero's natural. Its a calculated risk.
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Who you guys think is gonna win Snow vs Rain?
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Hero did mistakes too with hydra groups, losing a lot of them kind of unnecassary. But its more unforgiven losing costly protoss units, so that gets more attention when it happens.
Jangbi once said that pvz is like walking on a razors edge all the time. You are playing against the idea of losing, which is scientifically proven to be much harder mentally than just playing to win. Wish more people could appreciate that.
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What a great series! One of the best in ASL.
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On May 13 2018 23:08 tanngard wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2018 21:33 Golgotha wrote:On May 13 2018 21:23 tanngard wrote:On May 13 2018 21:18 Golgotha wrote:
that game was good because mini kept fking up. hero busted through 6 fking reavers behind a choke with like 6 cannons defending. mini somehow lost all his shit to that crap. then mini loses shuttles full of reavers. then mini attacks up a ramp when another base a screen away is wide open. 4 zealots could have taken it out. You keep forgetting all the small brilliant moves Mini made in that game. Dont be like that. Mini played great under all the pressure. Otherwise he would never had survived as long as he did Everyone does mistakes in bw. Its a game of priorities. If you choose to focus on only the mistakes, you are missing the other good things the player is doing often simultanously. Also, you have to realize that Hero was dropping a lot of hydras over those reavers. How is mini going to micro that? Its impossible. nah man I ain't hating on mini.He was in a dominant position and he dropped the ball big time. he lost 3 shuttles with reavers inside and he couldn't hold a narrow choke with 5+ reavers and 5+ cannons. Mini completely destroyed Hero when hero tried busting through with drops and mass hydra. slaughtered. mini had time to prepare for the 2nd wave of hydras and the 2nd wave didn't even come with drops. mini gave hero enough time to bring up his 2nd wave and run over the 4 reavers. the 2nd wave was a lot less than the 1st, but that led to a base trade. and then Mini has a chance to kill Hero's base with the most drones, but instead he surrounds a base that is on a ramp where ALL o fhero's hydras are. he goes up and dies. he should have shifted his army to the exposed hatch when he saw all those hydras. I ain't saying Mini is some sort of idiot or a loser, hell no. He's a great player and definitely deserves top 4. but he objectively made glaring mistakes in this game when he had the dominant position. imo, he was tilted. edit: he actually lost more shuttles, but the shuttles I am speaking of are the shuttles where he flies over a bunch of hydras... Mini did defended the choke with his reavers. He did it despite the overlords dropping over his reavers, with good probe block and reaver pickups. And how could he have prepared for the 2nd wave when it came only 20 seconds later? By ferrying units over to his own natural? Well maybe, but why not just go for a base trade? He had already bulilt all his gateways on the other side. His gameplan was to dominate there, not to spend half his apm on ferrying units just to defend his natural and main when there are more resources to be taken on the other side of the map. About those two shuttles he lost by flying them over a returning group of hydras in the middle of the map. They probably had some dark templar in them because Mini was similtanously clearing the overlords in the last remaining base for Hero in the down right corner. He also was microing a reaver at Heros natural. This is multitasking protoss style. Its very unforgiven when it goes wrong, but it is what you have to do.. Hero also did mistakes, but it doesnt cost you that much to lose some hydras vs the cost of losing reavers and dark templar does it? You have to make decions at the fractions of a second. Which means that you cannot just stop up and think too hard about what you should do. Intuition has to take over and you have to, as they say in speed-chess - "play with your hands, not with you head". But sure Mini a did bit more mistakes then Hero. And its why he eventually Hero won the game. But if you were to analyze all the micro decisions that were made by Mini throughout that game, the mistakes get outdrowned by all the good ones. This is why i get triggered by your comment that the "only reason that the game was good because of Mini fking it up". Thats literally what you said.
Not sure why it bothers you. It was obvious to everyone that mini had the chance to close it out but lost it. I'm sure he even knows that he dropped the ball. The game was good because he let hero stay in it. The game was lost when he took the fight at the middle expo. His last chance and he went for the base with 24 hydras sitting pretty.
If this still bothers you, watch flash or JDs restream. Even JD says there is no way hero can get through mini's main. He says it's gg and is surprised when hero actually makes it through. That's how strongly positioned mini was.
Then JD yells that mini lost the game when he lost the two shuttles that flew into the hydras. He specifically says mini needed that to clear hero's nat. He specifically says the game has shifted to zerg in that moment.
Finally, JD heavily chides mini with strong words when mini goes for the middle expansion where hero is waiting on top with hydras. JD is in disbelief.
Jd: wow, mini has too many storms. This fight is the final fight for both players. Hero does not have enough lurkers.
Jd: what? Wtf? You are going up here?! You are really going up here? Why aren't you going for the exposed main? That's too many high Templars for hero, but you are going to try and attack here?
Jd: hero is saying thank you, a perfect fight for zerg. Stupid. You should have attacked the exposed base, mini. Why didn't you? You just lost too much and now you are behind.
You don't have to listen to me but I'm pretty sure JD knows his stuff.
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TAKE ANOTHER EXPAND MINI !! TAKE ANOTHER EXPAND!!!
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On May 14 2018 01:33 Golgotha wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2018 23:08 tanngard wrote:On May 13 2018 21:33 Golgotha wrote:On May 13 2018 21:23 tanngard wrote:On May 13 2018 21:18 Golgotha wrote:
that game was good because mini kept fking up. hero busted through 6 fking reavers behind a choke with like 6 cannons defending. mini somehow lost all his shit to that crap. then mini loses shuttles full of reavers. then mini attacks up a ramp when another base a screen away is wide open. 4 zealots could have taken it out. You keep forgetting all the small brilliant moves Mini made in that game. Dont be like that. Mini played great under all the pressure. Otherwise he would never had survived as long as he did Everyone does mistakes in bw. Its a game of priorities. If you choose to focus on only the mistakes, you are missing the other good things the player is doing often simultanously. Also, you have to realize that Hero was dropping a lot of hydras over those reavers. How is mini going to micro that? Its impossible. nah man I ain't hating on mini.He was in a dominant position and he dropped the ball big time. he lost 3 shuttles with reavers inside and he couldn't hold a narrow choke with 5+ reavers and 5+ cannons. Mini completely destroyed Hero when hero tried busting through with drops and mass hydra. slaughtered. mini had time to prepare for the 2nd wave of hydras and the 2nd wave didn't even come with drops. mini gave hero enough time to bring up his 2nd wave and run over the 4 reavers. the 2nd wave was a lot less than the 1st, but that led to a base trade. and then Mini has a chance to kill Hero's base with the most drones, but instead he surrounds a base that is on a ramp where ALL o fhero's hydras are. he goes up and dies. he should have shifted his army to the exposed hatch when he saw all those hydras. I ain't saying Mini is some sort of idiot or a loser, hell no. He's a great player and definitely deserves top 4. but he objectively made glaring mistakes in this game when he had the dominant position. imo, he was tilted. edit: he actually lost more shuttles, but the shuttles I am speaking of are the shuttles where he flies over a bunch of hydras... Mini did defended the choke with his reavers. He did it despite the overlords dropping over his reavers, with good probe block and reaver pickups. And how could he have prepared for the 2nd wave when it came only 20 seconds later? By ferrying units over to his own natural? Well maybe, but why not just go for a base trade? He had already bulilt all his gateways on the other side. His gameplan was to dominate there, not to spend half his apm on ferrying units just to defend his natural and main when there are more resources to be taken on the other side of the map. About those two shuttles he lost by flying them over a returning group of hydras in the middle of the map. They probably had some dark templar in them because Mini was similtanously clearing the overlords in the last remaining base for Hero in the down right corner. He also was microing a reaver at Heros natural. This is multitasking protoss style. Its very unforgiven when it goes wrong, but it is what you have to do.. Hero also did mistakes, but it doesnt cost you that much to lose some hydras vs the cost of losing reavers and dark templar does it? You have to make decions at the fractions of a second. Which means that you cannot just stop up and think too hard about what you should do. Intuition has to take over and you have to, as they say in speed-chess - "play with your hands, not with you head". But sure Mini a did bit more mistakes then Hero. And its why he eventually Hero won the game. But if you were to analyze all the micro decisions that were made by Mini throughout that game, the mistakes get outdrowned by all the good ones. This is why i get triggered by your comment that the "only reason that the game was good because of Mini fking it up". Thats literally what you said. Not sure why it bothers you. It was obvious to everyone that mini had the chance to close it out but lost it. I'm sure he even knows that he dropped the ball. The game was good because he let hero stay in it. The game was lost when he took the fight at the middle expo. His last chance and he went for the base with 24 hydras sitting pretty. If this still bothers you, watch flash or JDs restream. Even JD says there is no way hero can get through mini's main. He says it's gg and is surprised when hero actually makes it through. That's how strongly positioned mini was. Then JD yells that mini lost the game when he lost the two shuttles that flew into the hydras. He specifically says mini needed that to clear hero's nat. He specifically says the game has shifted to zerg in that moment. Finally, JD heavily chides mini with strong words when mini goes for the middle expansion where hero is waiting on top with hydras. JD is in disbelief. Jd: wow, mini has too many storms. This fight is the final fight for both players. Hero does not have enough lurkers. Jd: what? Wtf? You are going up here?! You are really going up here? Why aren't you going for the exposed main? That's too many high Templars for hero, but you are going to try and attack here? Jd: hero is saying thank you, a perfect fight for zerg. Stupid. You should have attacked the exposed base, mini. Why didn't you? You just lost too much and now you are behind. You don't have to listen to me but I'm pretty sure JD knows his stuff.
this is great stuff!
thank you, i love reading these quick summaries of what pros thought since i don't know Korean myself. any chance you could do quick summaries of what other pros said too?
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What a fun fifth game. Besides, I still really dislike third world. The island part should be way smaller, otherwise Protoss gets too many free expansions, while the other player starves. Maybe bring the minerals only to the bottom side and give them gas?
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Nice games, especially that final one, but man.... Mini sure is a master of fucking up.
This was even worse than that last game with Snow.
Must be nice for Hero winning that after it looked like there was no way to still win that.
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That game 5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Semifinals & finals.
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On May 14 2018 01:33 Golgotha wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2018 23:08 tanngard wrote:On May 13 2018 21:33 Golgotha wrote:On May 13 2018 21:23 tanngard wrote:On May 13 2018 21:18 Golgotha wrote:
that game was good because mini kept fking up. hero busted through 6 fking reavers behind a choke with like 6 cannons defending. mini somehow lost all his shit to that crap. then mini loses shuttles full of reavers. then mini attacks up a ramp when another base a screen away is wide open. 4 zealots could have taken it out. You keep forgetting all the small brilliant moves Mini made in that game. Dont be like that. Mini played great under all the pressure. Otherwise he would never had survived as long as he did Everyone does mistakes in bw. Its a game of priorities. If you choose to focus on only the mistakes, you are missing the other good things the player is doing often simultanously. Also, you have to realize that Hero was dropping a lot of hydras over those reavers. How is mini going to micro that? Its impossible. nah man I ain't hating on mini.He was in a dominant position and he dropped the ball big time. he lost 3 shuttles with reavers inside and he couldn't hold a narrow choke with 5+ reavers and 5+ cannons. Mini completely destroyed Hero when hero tried busting through with drops and mass hydra. slaughtered. mini had time to prepare for the 2nd wave of hydras and the 2nd wave didn't even come with drops. mini gave hero enough time to bring up his 2nd wave and run over the 4 reavers. the 2nd wave was a lot less than the 1st, but that led to a base trade. and then Mini has a chance to kill Hero's base with the most drones, but instead he surrounds a base that is on a ramp where ALL o fhero's hydras are. he goes up and dies. he should have shifted his army to the exposed hatch when he saw all those hydras. I ain't saying Mini is some sort of idiot or a loser, hell no. He's a great player and definitely deserves top 4. but he objectively made glaring mistakes in this game when he had the dominant position. imo, he was tilted. edit: he actually lost more shuttles, but the shuttles I am speaking of are the shuttles where he flies over a bunch of hydras... Mini did defended the choke with his reavers. He did it despite the overlords dropping over his reavers, with good probe block and reaver pickups. And how could he have prepared for the 2nd wave when it came only 20 seconds later? By ferrying units over to his own natural? Well maybe, but why not just go for a base trade? He had already bulilt all his gateways on the other side. His gameplan was to dominate there, not to spend half his apm on ferrying units just to defend his natural and main when there are more resources to be taken on the other side of the map. About those two shuttles he lost by flying them over a returning group of hydras in the middle of the map. They probably had some dark templar in them because Mini was similtanously clearing the overlords in the last remaining base for Hero in the down right corner. He also was microing a reaver at Heros natural. This is multitasking protoss style. Its very unforgiven when it goes wrong, but it is what you have to do. Hero also did mistakes, but it doesnt cost you that much to lose some hydras vs the cost of losing reavers and dark templar does it? You have to make decions at the fractions of a second. Which means that you cannot just stop up and think too hard about what you should do. Intuition has to take over and you have to, as they say in speed-chess - "play with your hands, not with you head". But sure Mini a did bit more mistakes then Hero. And its why he eventually Hero won the game. But if you were to analyze all the micro decisions that were made by Mini throughout that game, the mistakes get outdrowned by all the good ones. This is why i get triggered by your comment that the "only reason that the game was good because of Mini fking it up". Thats literally what you said. Not sure why it bothers you. It was obvious to everyone that mini had the chance to close it out but lost it. I'm sure he even knows that he dropped the ball. The game was good because he let hero stay in it. The game was lost when he took the fight at the middle expo. His last chance and he went for the base with 24 hydras sitting pretty. If this still bothers you, watch flash or JDs restream. Even JD says there is no way hero can get through mini's main. He says it's gg and is surprised when hero actually makes it through. That's how strongly positioned mini was. Then JD yells that mini lost the game when he lost the two shuttles that flew into the hydras. He specifically says mini needed that to clear hero's nat. He specifically says the game has shifted to zerg in that moment. Finally, JD heavily chides mini with strong words when mini goes for the middle expansion where hero is waiting on top with hydras. JD is in disbelief. Jd: wow, mini has too many storms. This fight is the final fight for both players. Hero does not have enough lurkers. Jd: what? Wtf? You are going up here?! You are really going up here? Why aren't you going for the exposed main? That's too many high Templars for hero, but you are going to try and attack here? Jd: hero is saying thank you, a perfect fight for zerg. Stupid. You should have attacked the exposed base, mini. Why didn't you? You just lost too much and now you are behind. You don't have to listen to me but I'm pretty sure JD knows his stuff.
He had all the gateways on the other side. None in the main. It's not a given that he was going to be able to defend his natural by ferrying units over. Better than perhaps to leave the main and go for a basetrade, because then you at least can continue the game by being dominate on the other side of the map and taking the recourses there, instead of just typing gg when you fail to ferry enough units over to your natural. He knew the route was clear because he had already killed Heros expanson down there with 4 zealots.
I never said i defended Mini's decision at the end to not go over the bridges, but you said that the only reason the game was good was "because Mini kept fking up". And i disagree strongly on that.
If i'm wrong, i am happy for you to explain to me why i am wrong on that. Mini fought a 40 minute long game and the only reason it was good was because he kept fucking up? Any lesser than a pro would have crumbled along time ago. Hero made mistakes too. Sometimes those mistake were provoked by his opponent or because he is multitasking. During a 40 minute long game between pros you would expect that. For both players to make some mistakes and for both to make many more better ones. Or else the game wont go for much longer than 10 minutes. So why not focus on that? That it was a great game, that BOTH players delivered us.
Jaedong should also know that its much easier for him to sit and watch and evaluate than it is to actually make those same decisions in-game when you have to macro and micro simultanously. Jaedong doesn't have to do that when he is just watching AND is able to see what the opponent is doing the whole time. Mini has to make decision at a split second with limited information. He cannot just stop and analyze the situation. His brain is doing the thinking for him and he has to obey its desicions. Thats how it is under those conditions. You brain is thinking so fast that you cannot be entirely aware of the reasoning behind many decisisons. That is hard. Might Hero be a bit better than Mini at that? Sure, why not? But Mini is still better than 99.9%, so cut him some slack. Be grateful for the great game we had and that for a game to be great - both players need to play great. And in BW, playing great does not mean playing 100% perfect.
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this might have been the most interesting game ever!
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Many a PvZ has been affected by the endless Hydra pump refusing to stop, especially when its by.herO.
It might sound like a lot of harsh words at Mini, but after the mistake in the semi's.. i feel bad for him.
Maybe the layout of the map confuses what would be normal decisions when it comes to basetrading... but thats what has made it interesting.
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Both of the games on Third World were so damn interesting. What a series
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On May 14 2018 01:44 razorsuKe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2018 01:33 Golgotha wrote:On May 13 2018 23:08 tanngard wrote:On May 13 2018 21:33 Golgotha wrote:On May 13 2018 21:23 tanngard wrote:On May 13 2018 21:18 Golgotha wrote:
that game was good because mini kept fking up. hero busted through 6 fking reavers behind a choke with like 6 cannons defending. mini somehow lost all his shit to that crap. then mini loses shuttles full of reavers. then mini attacks up a ramp when another base a screen away is wide open. 4 zealots could have taken it out. You keep forgetting all the small brilliant moves Mini made in that game. Dont be like that. Mini played great under all the pressure. Otherwise he would never had survived as long as he did Everyone does mistakes in bw. Its a game of priorities. If you choose to focus on only the mistakes, you are missing the other good things the player is doing often simultanously. Also, you have to realize that Hero was dropping a lot of hydras over those reavers. How is mini going to micro that? Its impossible. nah man I ain't hating on mini.He was in a dominant position and he dropped the ball big time. he lost 3 shuttles with reavers inside and he couldn't hold a narrow choke with 5+ reavers and 5+ cannons. Mini completely destroyed Hero when hero tried busting through with drops and mass hydra. slaughtered. mini had time to prepare for the 2nd wave of hydras and the 2nd wave didn't even come with drops. mini gave hero enough time to bring up his 2nd wave and run over the 4 reavers. the 2nd wave was a lot less than the 1st, but that led to a base trade. and then Mini has a chance to kill Hero's base with the most drones, but instead he surrounds a base that is on a ramp where ALL o fhero's hydras are. he goes up and dies. he should have shifted his army to the exposed hatch when he saw all those hydras. I ain't saying Mini is some sort of idiot or a loser, hell no. He's a great player and definitely deserves top 4. but he objectively made glaring mistakes in this game when he had the dominant position. imo, he was tilted. edit: he actually lost more shuttles, but the shuttles I am speaking of are the shuttles where he flies over a bunch of hydras... Mini did defended the choke with his reavers. He did it despite the overlords dropping over his reavers, with good probe block and reaver pickups. And how could he have prepared for the 2nd wave when it came only 20 seconds later? By ferrying units over to his own natural? Well maybe, but why not just go for a base trade? He had already bulilt all his gateways on the other side. His gameplan was to dominate there, not to spend half his apm on ferrying units just to defend his natural and main when there are more resources to be taken on the other side of the map. About those two shuttles he lost by flying them over a returning group of hydras in the middle of the map. They probably had some dark templar in them because Mini was similtanously clearing the overlords in the last remaining base for Hero in the down right corner. He also was microing a reaver at Heros natural. This is multitasking protoss style. Its very unforgiven when it goes wrong, but it is what you have to do.. Hero also did mistakes, but it doesnt cost you that much to lose some hydras vs the cost of losing reavers and dark templar does it? You have to make decions at the fractions of a second. Which means that you cannot just stop up and think too hard about what you should do. Intuition has to take over and you have to, as they say in speed-chess - "play with your hands, not with you head". But sure Mini a did bit more mistakes then Hero. And its why he eventually Hero won the game. But if you were to analyze all the micro decisions that were made by Mini throughout that game, the mistakes get outdrowned by all the good ones. This is why i get triggered by your comment that the "only reason that the game was good because of Mini fking it up". Thats literally what you said. Not sure why it bothers you. It was obvious to everyone that mini had the chance to close it out but lost it. I'm sure he even knows that he dropped the ball. The game was good because he let hero stay in it. The game was lost when he took the fight at the middle expo. His last chance and he went for the base with 24 hydras sitting pretty. If this still bothers you, watch flash or JDs restream. Even JD says there is no way hero can get through mini's main. He says it's gg and is surprised when hero actually makes it through. That's how strongly positioned mini was. Then JD yells that mini lost the game when he lost the two shuttles that flew into the hydras. He specifically says mini needed that to clear hero's nat. He specifically says the game has shifted to zerg in that moment. Finally, JD heavily chides mini with strong words when mini goes for the middle expansion where hero is waiting on top with hydras. JD is in disbelief. Jd: wow, mini has too many storms. This fight is the final fight for both players. Hero does not have enough lurkers. Jd: what? Wtf? You are going up here?! You are really going up here? Why aren't you going for the exposed main? That's too many high Templars for hero, but you are going to try and attack here? Jd: hero is saying thank you, a perfect fight for zerg. Stupid. You should have attacked the exposed base, mini. Why didn't you? You just lost too much and now you are behind. You don't have to listen to me but I'm pretty sure JD knows his stuff. this is great stuff! thank you, i love reading these quick summaries of what pros thought since i don't know Korean myself. any chance you could do quick summaries of what other pros said too?
Yeah I'll do some more because I also like hearing what the pros think of a certain move and decision.
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Sea watching the fight when mini tries to challenge hero's middle expo:
Toss is in a strong position due to storms and army size. He can wreck the hydras.
Wait what? What?....... Mini what have you done? You should have gone here (the exposed hatch).
Shuttle: he must be feeling a lot of pressure to attack this base.
Sea: no that's fucking crazy and insane to attack here.
Shuttle: it's the high ground, no way he can take this.
Sea: you should have gone to the third. What are you doing sir? What are you doing?
Sea: Now zerg wins, toss has no minerals. Zerg wins now.
Mini you should have attacked the fucking base earlier. Your decision making was utter dog trash. Going up those ramps sealed your doom.
Sea: you lose this game? Really? You lost this?
Sea would not stop talking about mini's poor decision to go up the ramps and not attack the exposed hatch. He keeps going back to it.
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Blunders and all, that final game was the most entertaining ZvP I've seen in a while. What a massively awesome way for our zerg hero to go out.
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konadora
Singapore66153 Posts
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Imbalanced as they might be, you can't say these (semi-)island maps don't deliver good games.
They are really fun to play with friends too. Third eye can be frustrating though.
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Game 5:
"That's BROODWAR for you" - Artosis
DAMN true.
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Holy shit that last game was so sick! Hero an absolute mad man attacking with hydras into a choke with cannons+ 5 reavers!!
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I'm sad he has to go to the military, but as all the progamers say "I want to show good games for my fans"...Hero sure did that.
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Absolutely a amazing feat by Mini, how can you throw that game so hard...
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Man the maps made this series one of the best ever, such a great combination of maps.
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Look at the polls. Game 5 might be the most recommended game of all time.
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On May 16 2018 22:54 29 fps wrote:
Look at the polls. Game 5 might be the most recommended game of all time.
I believe the last match of the Flash vs Snow series is still superior in terms of recommendation.
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On May 16 2018 15:04 Disregard wrote:
Absolutely a amazing feat by Mini, how can you throw that game so hard...
I just finally caught up and watched the 3rd place match, and truly this...
How can you not spare the 400 minerals to get a nexus at any point in that game. He already had the probes, when Tasteless was talking about him having to decide whether to builds a nexus or not... Why was that decision not made 10 minutes ago, when it would have cost him pretty much nothing.
And he threw so many units for free... When looking at this as a Hero fan, maybe it looks like some amazing game, but when looking at it from a protoss fan, after getting those island, it hardly looks like a C level game on ShieldBattery. Super disappointed in Mini, not cheering for him again, it feels like a one hit wonder after showing himself to crumble under pressure in both the semis and the third place match.
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Awesome series. But yeah, Snow vs Flash was even better and was probably the best series post-Kespa.
The 3rd world is so funky that I have often hard time understanding who is ahead, especially in the match-ups I do not play. It did seem to me that Mini was ahead in game 5 but will need to rewatch it...
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A bit off topic since I'm catching up on the VODs now, there seems to be a lot of Koreans in the live chat for the English VOD. Is that just because there's a lot of Koreans watching the English cast just to watch on Youtube or does Youtube something funky with their chat replay?
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On May 17 2018 14:56 Twinkle Toes wrote:
When is the finals?
May 27, 2018 17:00 KST
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On May 17 2018 13:23 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2018 15:04 Disregard wrote:
Absolutely a amazing feat by Mini, how can you throw that game so hard... I just finally caught up and watched the 3rd place match, and truly this... How can you not spare the 400 minerals to get a nexus at any point in that game. He already had the probes, when Tasteless was talking about him having to decide whether to builds a nexus or not... Why was that decision not made 10 minutes ago, when it would have cost him pretty much nothing. And he threw so many units for free... When looking at this as a Hero fan, maybe it looks like some amazing game, but when looking at it from a protoss fan, after getting those island, it hardly looks like a C level game on ShieldBattery. Super disappointed in Mini, not cheering for him again, it feels like a one hit wonder after showing himself to crumble under pressure in both the semis and the third place match.
I just talked to Mini. He wanted me to tell you he is so sorry he let you down and he promise never to do it again. He will pray for your speedy recovery.
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konadora
Singapore66153 Posts
watched it again, i really hope they keep 3rd world for next season. sparkle can go however
what an insane map, fuck the imbalance
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On May 17 2018 18:48 konadora wrote:
watched it again, i really hope they keep 3rd world for next season. sparkle can go however
what an insane map, fuck the imbalance
hell no.
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For all the hate this tournament for the maps, they have created some really incredible games! This game 5 was just simply amazing :D
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3rd place matches usually suck, no matter the type of competition (see: World Cup), but it was nice to see a couple of highly entertaining matches regardless.
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On May 18 2018 22:40 RxMidnight wrote:
3rd place matches usually suck, no matter the type of competition (see: World Cup), but it was nice to see a couple of highly entertaining matches regardless.
Actually the 3rd places matches often are way better than the finals from entertaining point of view, players/teams just go there and enjoy the game, while everybody have their asses tight for the finals
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On May 19 2018 01:38 M2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2018 22:40 RxMidnight wrote:
3rd place matches usually suck, no matter the type of competition (see: World Cup), but it was nice to see a couple of highly entertaining matches regardless. Actually the 3rd places matches often are way better than the finals from entertaining point of view, players/teams just go there and enjoy the game, while everybody have their asses tight for the finals
It really depends. I think in soccer, 3rd place match in the World Cup usually suck... But in BW, often they are great! So I guess it depends on the competition.
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Just managed to watch this. What a sick comeback!!!! Game 5 man. I feel really happy hero manages to go out with a back-to-back podium results before moving to military.
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EPT![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/t3gANYb.jpg)
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by.hero vs ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/1102.jpg)
Mini![[image loading]](http://liquipedia.net/commons/images/thumb/e/e2/Third_World.jpg/100px-Third_World.jpg)
3rd World![[image loading]](http://liquipedia.net/commons/images/thumb/4/47/Sparkle.jpg/100px-Sparkle.jpg)
Sparkle![[image loading]](http://liquipedia.net/commons/images/thumb/c/c4/Transistor.jpg/100px-Transistor.jpg)
Transistor ![[image loading]](http://liquipedia.net/commons/images/thumb/e/e9/Gladiator.jpg/100px-Gladiator.jpg)
Gladiator ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/Sf7c6wQ.jpg)
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