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Ej_
47656 Posts
On May 01 2018 21:41 Essbee wrote: with preparation there's no way this map is balanced, arbiters and carriers are way too effective, as proven in this bo5. The massive sample size of literally 2 games definitely overwhelms all the sponsored PvTs played on the map :o | ||
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
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Turbovolver
Australia2453 Posts
On May 01 2018 21:41 Essbee wrote: No tears, I was actually cheering for snow, but nice try Oh, there's plenty of tears to enjoy in here regardless of how many are yours, friend. | ||
Peeano
Netherlands5966 Posts
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On May 01 2018 21:42 Ej_ wrote: The massive sample size of literally 2 games definitely overwhelms all the sponsored PvTs played on the map :o meh, it kind of does, i am not one for stats, I think it was clear third world was a protoss map for this bo5 and snow's playstyle, but okay, I guess flash just sucks? | ||
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
Third world is just too rough. It's basically a map that is really good for carriers except that terran can't move its units around. I dont really see any non-cheesy way to win that map straight up. Even Flash, god of TvP, had to rely on sneaky hidden exp in both games on third world. | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On May 01 2018 21:45 StylishVODs wrote: Imo Flash threw the game on gladiator. He was even suply with 3-2 vs 1-0 but let continuous single reavers shut him down due to zero defense. If he had taken that this would have been 3-1. Third world is just too rough. It's basically a map that is really good for carriers except that terran can't move its units around. I dont really see any non-cheesy way to win that map straight up. Even Flash, god of TvP, had to rely on sneaky hidden exp in both games on third world. apparently it's a terran favored map lol, guess the stats says it all! | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2453 Posts
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Snorkels
United States1015 Posts
Snow on the final recall: "that was me going all-in. I was not thinking about what was next." | ||
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YPang
United States4024 Posts
On May 01 2018 21:46 Snorkels wrote: gg Snow on the final recall: "that was me going all-in. I was not thinking about what was next." That's the exact mindset of all ladder protoss players | ||
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jtan
Sweden5891 Posts
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On May 01 2018 21:48 jtan wrote: I feel like snow deserves this ASL title now, I'll cheer for him although I still think he's the underdog vs hero. he's 100% an underdog vs hero, not even close, we better hope he gets a pvp against rain if he wins vs mini. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On May 01 2018 21:48 jtan wrote: I feel like snow deserves this ASL title now, I'll cheer for him although I still think he's the underdog vs hero. I think Snow is like 0:5 vs Zerg in ASL :D. Undefeated vs T and P tho. | ||
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AnarchisticObi1
19 Posts
come on it is even called turn around  flash put hell of the fight and the serie was awesome. lets hope that hero will win so we have pvz finals and not pvp.. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7186 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On May 01 2018 21:42 Ej_ wrote: The massive sample size of literally 2 games definitely overwhelms all the sponsored PvTs played on the map :o Well you can theory-craft as well. Map is good for carriers for example. So what can terran do? 1) goliaths. but this map doesnt allow goliaths to defend vs carriers without dropships. 2) dropships + goliaths. the map doesn't allow for that kind of playstyle (which for example Sparke does) 3) wraiths. map doesn't allow for wraith play vs protoss on this map due to its half standard nature. Map is good for arbiters, mainly due to the mobility it offers, mobility that the map doesn't allow for terran without heavy dropship play and we already see that the map isn't great for heavy dropship play. Given that these two late game strategies are viable (with carriers being the best option in my opinion). Terran seems to have to do one of two things: 1) early win. 2) some sort of cheese (floating stuff, hidden expos) Early win is really hard due to the distance between the mains and the small choke. Cheese, well it's an option but it's always harder on two player maps, at least for terran. Through this reasoning you get more information about the map than you get from watching two games I think... | ||
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rackdude
United States882 Posts
On May 01 2018 21:42 Ej_ wrote: The massive sample size of literally 2 games definitely overwhelms all the sponsored PvTs played on the map :o Flash just didn't play the map. I don't know how people are overlooking that. Third World is amazing for early T pushes. Using that to grab a lead and then getting a simple third to take the whole right side makes this map have a really high T winrate. Flash tried that in game 1 and lost to micro. As the series went on, he went less Flash-like and started to crawl back into his "standard" instead of playing specifically for every game. In the final game, he played it defensively which is exactly what the map is not good for. Of course, being unbreakable is Flash's MO, but it's also Snow's MO to break defenses. So Flash deliberately did not use his map advantage in order to play where he felt comfortable, and Snow utilized his style (which is well suited for the map in a way that most P are not) to take control of the game. Flash went in thinking he had 100% on Sparkle against all of the stats, and that proved true. He went in with racial stats on his side on Third World. He went in with great stats on Gladiator. Transistor was his thorn, and he vetoed it. He lost the maps he should've won, and pulled a few victories out with finesse. But in the end, the stats were still on his side yet Snow just played a beautiful series. | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2453 Posts
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YPang
United States4024 Posts
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