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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8702 Posts
April 03 2018 03:43 GMT
#201
Can we just agree that every terran except Flash sucks balls atm? Even though Mind pulled through, his play looked so wacky in all three games. Or let's say in the first 2, his game against Shine was actually pretty solid. But it's Shine so yeah...
gk_ender
Profile Joined October 2008
United States717 Posts
April 03 2018 03:56 GMT
#202
On April 03 2018 12:43 Miragee wrote:
Can we just agree that every terran except Flash sucks balls atm? Even though Mind pulled through, his play looked so wacky in all three games. Or let's say in the first 2, his game against Shine was actually pretty solid. But it's Shine so yeah...


Can we just agree that everyone sucks besides flash atm......
Taek Bang
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8702 Posts
April 03 2018 05:03 GMT
#203
On April 03 2018 12:56 gk_ender wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2018 12:43 Miragee wrote:
Can we just agree that every terran except Flash sucks balls atm? Even though Mind pulled through, his play looked so wacky in all three games. Or let's say in the first 2, his game against Shine was actually pretty solid. But it's Shine so yeah...


Can we just agree that everyone sucks besides flash atm......


Not really true. Even though not on Flash's level, a few protoss and zerg players are putting on a good display while every terran player seems to make basic mistakes all the time and completely fail on either micro or macro throughout the game.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-03 05:07:33
April 03 2018 05:06 GMT
#204
On April 03 2018 12:43 Miragee wrote:
Can we just agree that every terran except Flash sucks balls atm? Even though Mind pulled through, his play looked so wacky in all three games. Or let's say in the first 2, his game against Shine was actually pretty solid. But it's Shine so yeah...

I don't know what the first game you watched was Miragee but he didn't do too badly vs Flash on Transistor. He even took an earlier third and had a slight supply lead and this was touched on in the post game interview. Flash himself was surprised. Mind's biggest mistake was pushing out and losing his army. That and it's possible that the scv lost in the vulture attack early on started to catch up to him. Game 2 though, sure, that was wacky lol. Still, it's not like third world is like FS or CB where these guys have massed a ton of games and gotten used to it. yes, he mismicroed the wraith, happens to everyone. So long as he won, that's all that matters. Game 3 was solid, no complaints like game 1.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8702 Posts
April 03 2018 05:41 GMT
#205
On April 03 2018 14:06 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2018 12:43 Miragee wrote:
Can we just agree that every terran except Flash sucks balls atm? Even though Mind pulled through, his play looked so wacky in all three games. Or let's say in the first 2, his game against Shine was actually pretty solid. But it's Shine so yeah...

I don't know what the first game you watched was Miragee but he didn't do too badly vs Flash on Transistor. He even took an earlier third and had a slight supply lead and this was touched on in the post game interview. Flash himself was surprised. Mind's biggest mistake was pushing out and losing his army. That and it's possible that the scv lost in the vulture attack early on started to catch up to him. Game 2 though, sure, that was wacky lol. Still, it's not like third world is like FS or CB where these guys have massed a ton of games and gotten used to it. yes, he mismicroed the wraith, happens to everyone. So long as he won, that's all that matters. Game 3 was solid, no complaints like game 1.


He did extremely bad vs Flash. He miss-microed almost every single fight and was against the ropes almost the entire game. The only time he managed to catch some breath was when he used his air advantage to clean a siege-line. That "advantage" lasted for about 20 second until he lost all his tanks when he pushed stupidly onto the map and miss-managed his siege-up (such a face-palm moment really, because he could have at least ended that fight with even losses instead of losing everything and kill nothing). He also didn't take his third earlier. Not sure which game you were you were watching but they took the third at about the same time, Flash started the CC a bit earlier.

About the second game: I agree about the map. However, there are general things that should not happen. For example getting wrecked by freaking guardians when you went wraith already... Remember the Kespa era when zergs lost the game most of the time they went guardians even if the terran didn't know about them? How can you lose all your wraiths against scourge if you have marines there as well? That's so sloppy for a pro. Then he pushed the zerg for ages and didn't put a third up behind it. He even had the option to put it in line of the push. That's perfect for terran. Had Where actually held the natural, which was a very close call, he could have won the game because of his strong macro advantage. Mind just barely broke him. I think Where would have won if he went for defilers instead of guards and then ultras... What a strange idea on that map. I get the guardians but ultras don't really seem good until really late in the game, no need to rush them.

Game 3 was solid yeah. But then again, I think it's rather easy for players on that level to shut down Shine if they use their brain, like Mind did. He scouted for a hidden base, he anticipated and annihilated the lurker drop, he forced lots of sunkens out of Shine. Shine is just not good a straight macro games so as long as you shut down his quirky stuff to get far ahead in the game you'll win. I mean, if you really want a demonstration of what the game would have looked like against a decent player, just look at the damage Shine was able to do with 6 mutas. 6... without reinforcements. Mind's idle marines on both sides surely helped Shine out there.
noname_
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
468 Posts
April 03 2018 10:12 GMT
#206
On April 03 2018 09:52 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
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On April 03 2018 08:59 noname_ wrote:
When did become a trend to not gg back? It lreally ooks like an asshole behaviour.

is just that usually when you loss and type gg u are pressing alt q very fast so in most of cases you are the missing the gg anyway.

I can see that. But there was a trend to gg back nevertheless, this trend clearly changed, seems like "manners" are only obliged if it absolutely has to (due to Kespa rules).
There were a few instances when the other player was waiting for a gg reply (or at least seemed so), yet nothing happened. For example:
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
April 04 2018 05:12 GMT
#207
None of those games seemed to have a significant gap between the losing player saying gg and leaving. I think your reading into things too much.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
April 04 2018 11:24 GMT
#208
On April 03 2018 08:59 noname_ wrote:
When did become a trend to not gg back? It lreally ooks like an asshole behaviour.

lol better have a word to jaedong then

i dont believe jaedong has ever typed 'gg' back in any of his games during his career.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
April 04 2018 15:05 GMT
#209
It's actually quite hard, when winning, to write gg back. I always try, but fail like 80% of the time due to the player already having left.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
nurle
Profile Joined August 2009
Norway308 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-04 18:20:01
April 04 2018 17:59 GMT
#210
Im sorry but Rapid's casting was woeful. He missed so much, and when he saw it, he literally contradicted what was going on. The other guy even told him what was happening and he would miss it.
Jaedong fucking beast
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8702 Posts
April 05 2018 01:34 GMT
#211
On April 05 2018 02:59 nurle wrote:
Im sorry but Rapid's casting was woeful. He missed so much, and when he saw it, he literally contradicted what was going on. The other guy even told him what was happening and he would miss it.


Yeah, I actually liked the other guy. Even though he had no idea about Broodwar he actually did a very good job. You could tell that he is a good SC2 caster for sure.
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1717 Posts
April 06 2018 09:37 GMT
#212
On April 05 2018 10:34 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2018 02:59 nurle wrote:
Im sorry but Rapid's casting was woeful. He missed so much, and when he saw it, he literally contradicted what was going on. The other guy even told him what was happening and he would miss it.


Yeah, I actually liked the other guy. Even though he had no idea about Broodwar he actually did a very good job. You could tell that he is a good SC2 caster for sure.

Agreed. At first I was like what is this sc2 caster doing here. But then he turned out to be decent, that it was was awkward how many mistakes Rapid was making. Hell he kept calling Mind Flash. I dont think Rapid was that bad when he covered for Tastosis last season.
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
April 14 2018 22:12 GMT
#213
Is there a VOD somewhere? They only uploaded the highlight on the official youtube channel ;;
"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
Incomplete..ReV
Profile Joined August 2017
Norway663 Posts
April 14 2018 22:25 GMT
#214


They've got the whole stuff as well =)
It's ok. I still love you <3
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5822 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-14 22:45:01
April 14 2018 22:44 GMT
#215
On April 15 2018 07:12 Glioburd wrote:
Is there a VOD somewhere? They only uploaded the highlight on the official youtube channel ;;

Always check out the Small Vod Thread for the latest VODs. (If the VODs aren't there it's encouraged to post them in there when you do find them.)
FBH #1!
Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-15 09:49:16
April 15 2018 09:48 GMT
#216
God, thanks ReV, I'm blind. Also thanks Peeano, I forgot about this thread.
"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
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