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Shine 2-0 Mind 2-1 Flash 0-2, cries when he loses, maybe pisses himself a little and cries even harder. Brain: Flash 2-0 zzz Mind 2-1 Shine 1-2, tragic defeat. ;-; | ||
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Mind 2-1 Miso 1-2 Shine 0-2 | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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 NoRegreT as Tasteless and Artosis are at the SC20 anniversary event. | ||
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Djabanete
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 Also cheering for Shine. | ||
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M2
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gingerfluffmuff
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For the sake of diversity Last should also advance. | ||
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Ej_
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On April 01 2018 18:03 TheSkilfulQuail wrote: Does anyone know much about NoRegreT? I'm a pretty new player so can be a bit clueless with some of the more obscure players/casters. He's an SC2 player that sometimes casts GSL. | ||
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TheSkilfulQuail
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prosatan
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Season
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BLinD-RawR
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On April 01 2018 18:51 Season wrote: So will it still be the same map lineup for the ro16? Even though Sparkle and Transistor have produced some far from standard games, keeping it interesting, I'd rather see the top players making it through based on top of the line BW gameplay rather than specific map knowledge/abuse. BW was built on maps of all kind. also sparkle is off of Ro16 and will be back in Ro8 maps are Transistor>Third World>Gladiator | ||
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Dante08
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Peeano
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I feel like the Korean management has little to no idea who are how their English casters are. | ||
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LongShot27
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On April 01 2018 19:10 Peeano wrote: Where does ASL get it's English casters? lol... I feel like the Korean management has little to no idea who are how their English casters are. Can we not do the dick sucking today? User was warned for this post User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Gorsameth
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On April 01 2018 19:10 Peeano wrote: Where does ASL get its English casters? lol... I feel like the Korean management has little to no idea who are how their English casters are. 'Be in Korea at the time' is kind of a big filter on who they can chose from. | ||
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prosatan
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Meiya
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rackdude
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On April 01 2018 19:10 Peeano wrote: Where does ASL get its English casters? lol... I feel like the Korean management has little to no idea who are how their English casters are. It's April Fools day. Wow, that re-sandwiching the sandwich by Flash... Mind is getting slaughtered. | ||
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Meiya
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rackdude
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Terrorbladder
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LongShot27
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On April 01 2018 19:26 rackdude wrote: Why isn't Mind using any of the high ground areas? Mind is dead | ||
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arbiter_md
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LongShot27
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On April 01 2018 19:27 arbiter_md wrote: I wish I wouldn't understand English. These commentators are terrible, and of course Afreeca lags as usual, so no good stream for me. I wish they would provide a stream with no comments, just the sound of the game. Sounds fine for me | ||
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Dante08
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Peeano
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On April 01 2018 19:27 arbiter_md wrote: I wish I wouldn't understand English. These commentators are terrible, and of course Afreeca lags as usual, so no good stream for me. I wish they would provide a stream with no comments, just the sound of the game. Have you tried View on Afreeca and then set the stream quality lower? | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On April 01 2018 19:27 arbiter_md wrote: I wish I wouldn't understand English. These commentators are terrible, and of course Afreeca lags as usual, so no good stream for me. I wish they would provide a stream with no comments, just the sound of the game. watch on youtube? | ||
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Shock710
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Gorsameth
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On April 01 2018 19:27 arbiter_md wrote: I wish I wouldn't understand English. These commentators are terrible, and of course Afreeca lags as usual, so no good stream for me. I wish they would provide a stream with no comments, just the sound of the game. Have you tried the youtube stream (for the lag) | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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Poll: Recommend Flash Vs Mind Yes (22) If you have time (11) No (6) 39 total votes Your vote: Recommend Flash Vs Mind | ||
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Shock710
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On April 01 2018 19:31 arbiter_md wrote: Do they have Korean stream on youtube? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pcw9i_96xY i think this is it | ||
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Meiya
Australia1169 Posts
On April 01 2018 19:26 hasuprotoss wrote: Mind is down almost 30 supply, don't think it's quite a game... Yeah sorry, Flash is so dominant I get excited every time his opponents don't gg out after any given engagement... | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
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how do you post the link only and not get the video popup like in my post? | ||
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arbiter_md
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That's the English stream  | ||
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Essbee
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On April 01 2018 19:33 TornadoSteve wrote: I find it interesting how Flash totally skipped armory upgrade this game He had +1 atk, just like mind | ||
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Peeano
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SJ158
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note: How the hell does Sea has almost 30k viewers? wtf edit: oh, he is casting ASL. ok | ||
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TornadoSteve
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oops, I thought he didn't. Sorry =.= | ||
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Essbee
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Haha no worries | ||
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prosatan
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BLinD-RawR
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On April 01 2018 19:39 Ansibled wrote: Noregret is casting? Hype. Yeah it's noregret | ||
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prosatan
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GOD VS BAG OF BUILDS ! | ||
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phosphorylation
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BALLSY | ||
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Gorsameth
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On April 01 2018 19:44 phosphorylation wrote: Making 2 drones is accepting that you lose the game. By making lings he gave himself the tiniest of chances of doing damage in return.still, making 4 lings instead of a drone was ballsy BALLSY | ||
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SJ158
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Flash is like the jock that no one expected to be so good at math and can also lift and get girls This is really sad for Mind | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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Ej_
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I love you, Shine e:...why is he expanding to his own main? | ||
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rackdude
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On April 01 2018 19:54 Ej_ wrote: 1 base gas I love you, Shine e:...why is he expanding to his own main? Small ramp and so many bases to hide a hatch, so it's hard for Flash to know it's actually 1 base 2 hatches. | ||
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On April 01 2018 19:50 SJ158 wrote: This is really sad for Mind Maybe if he had lost against that early vulture rush but there's no shame losing the way he did to the greatest player ever. It was a decent game. | ||
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Ej_
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On April 01 2018 19:57 Terrorbladder wrote: Did he see the Hydra den? He saw a hydra and is turreting his ramp up | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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Poll: Recommend Winner's Game? Yes (28) No (6) If you have time (1) 35 total votes Your vote: Recommend Winner's Game? Ez | ||
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KobraKay
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Good job Flash. Lets see how Mind fares in the next games. | ||
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Peeano
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On April 01 2018 20:01 GTR wrote: wtf was that shine All in gimmickry with failure to deny scouting making it even less likely to succeed. | ||
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Shock710
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thought he had a chance once he got in there, oh well its flash | ||
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usopsama
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On April 01 2018 20:04 BisuDagger wrote: That was a very disappointing build from Shine. Would have worked against Bisu. | ||
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Peeano
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On April 01 2018 20:05 Shock710 wrote: i thought that if shine had a quicker burrow the lurkers might have done more damage, but they kinda stumbled ontop of each other and on the scvs at the gas. one of them was dead before it attacked and the other was really weakened. thought he had a chance once he got in there, oh well its flash Lurkers are like the Dragoons of Zerg. Terrible pathing and fairly easy for Flash to manipulate it even more. | ||
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TaardadAiel
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On April 01 2018 20:13 gingerfluffmuff wrote: In all seriousness dragoons have the worst pathing since pathing was developed. Goliaths are trying pretty hard too. | ||
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Warfie
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...yes?! | ||
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TaardadAiel
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On April 01 2018 20:20 Warfie wrote: so we want both terrans through here yes? ...yes?! Yes. The less zergs in Ro8, the less zvz potential. One bo5 zvz can be cool. Four out of eight would be a nightmare. And I'm terran. And I hate zergs with a passion. So yes. :D | ||
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razorsuKe
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(reference to commentators calling mind flash numerous times) | ||
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Mnijykmirl
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On April 01 2018 15:24 BLinD-RawR wrote: today's English casting will be taken over by RapiD and NoRegreT as Tasteless and Artosis are at the SC20 anniversary event.watching korean stream of BW feels so oldschool. guess I've been spoiled | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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Third world aka fuck path finding | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On April 01 2018 20:27 Mnijykmirl wrote: watching korean stream of BW feels so oldschool. guess I've been spoiled it feels good. | ||
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Shock710
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and +1 attack jsut finished now | ||
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Warfie
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On April 01 2018 20:28 prosatan wrote: OK ! now i root for Where ! but think of the zvzs! | ||
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Terrorbladder
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I've never seen a Siege Tank survive this long on the front line. | ||
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hasuprotoss
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Mind pushing into the main, getting a third and killing off two of Where's bases. Should be over shortly. | ||
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Dante08
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On April 01 2018 20:31 Essbee wrote: defilers? Sometimes you see zerg skip defliers and go straight for ultras, which could have worked this game if Where microed abit better. But great timing from Mind, if he attacked just 1 min later Where would have defended easily. | ||
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StylishVODs
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+ Show Spoiler + Miso would have won had he went for defilers rather than ultralisks. Thats a bit poor strategy. Partly due to the island structure of the map, and partly due to greater spire forcing wraith/valk which doesn't do well against defiler, and finally partly due to MisO not having to do offensive damage early due to him being on 4 early bases. All in all, MisO made a huge blunder. | ||
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arbiter_md
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On April 01 2018 20:35 LongShot27 wrote: From the way mind has been playing it would be shocking if he beat shine You are overestimating Shine's ZvT. Although, Mind plays poorly today overall. | ||
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On April 01 2018 20:39 arbiter_md wrote: You are overestimating Shine's ZvT. Although, Mind plays poorly today overall. Poorly? He got bopped by Flash (Fair enough) and beat Where because he threw | ||
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TaardadAiel
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Go Mind! | ||
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Warfie
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On April 01 2018 20:40 TaardadAiel wrote: Which map is last? I can't follow the stream,just reading the thread. Go Mind! gladiator, it's same as ro32 afaik | ||
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xccam
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On April 01 2018 20:49 hasuprotoss wrote: Shine's attempt of a slow lurker drop are killed off because Mind's marines were already over in his main to protect against mutas. Either way, the mutas got a good number of free kills on the marines and are now doing a fair bit of damage. I think shine actually came out of that better. Mind lost essentially a control group of marines, and only had 1 turret by the minerals because he was obviously expecting the marines to defend. I'd say shine is very much ahead. | ||
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xccam
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On April 01 2018 20:50 xccam wrote: I think shine actually came out of that better. Mind lost essentially a control group of marines, and only had 1 turret by the minerals because he was obviously expecting the marines to defend. I'd say shine is very much ahead. Or mind could kill him before consume and make me look silly. | ||
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Dante08
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On April 01 2018 20:50 xccam wrote: I think shine actually came out of that better. Mind lost essentially a control group of marines, and only had 1 turret by the minerals because he was obviously expecting the marines to defend. I'd say shine is very much ahead. Nah ask any Terran player and they would tell you that the control group of marines was definitely a good trade for Mind. 4 lurkers in a cramped main is like Gladiator is potentially game ending. | ||
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On April 01 2018 21:28 Dante08 wrote: Nah ask any Terran player and they would tell you that the control group of marines was definitely a good trade for Mind. 4 lurkers in a cramped main is like Gladiator is potentially game ending. this is not questionable, but in that current situation the terran lost a lot of economy due to this exchange so it was not exactly clear in whom favor the trade went. | ||
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Kaolla
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Mind pretty lucky, he could've lost both those games vs z but somehow does manage to make it through. Doubt he'll make it through the next round. | ||
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Essbee
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On April 01 2018 22:24 Kaolla wrote: I don't really understand why he didnt use his mutas to try and get the marines out of position. He could obviously see the group of marines waiting for him... Mind pretty lucky, he could've lost both those games vs z but somehow does manage to make it through. Doubt he'll make it through the next round. Yeah exactly, I feel like the 2 Zs had good things going for them but they ended up throwing pretty badly. I thought Mind was quite solid in the ro24, but yeah, he was unconvincing today. I guess the whole survival of the terran race relies on flash. Thankfully, flash is really really amazing. | ||
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Dante08
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On April 01 2018 21:35 M2 wrote: this is not questionable, but in that current situation the terran lost a lot of economy due to this exchange so it was not exactly clear in whom favor the trade went. Yes Mind took damage but it could have been way worse if 4 lurkers get into your main and you don't even have a tank out yet. | ||
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On April 01 2018 22:50 goody153 wrote: Did mind or shine at least make flash sweat ? Or was it an easy group stages for him ? super easy | ||
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Arvendilin
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But I stuck on the english cast this time, I honestly really liked having a GSL level SC2 player casting BW, ofcourse just as a novelty thing that shouldn't happen too often but it was enjoyable for me :D | ||
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PVJ
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This is all very subjective and usually not much constructive criticism can be found in the threads which I usually find a bit sad. I believe being a fan of the game shouldn't be intimidating to those who know less. | ||
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TaardadAiel
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Game one was usual Flash dominance. Transistor is a pretty volatile map and there's not an option for an even map split, so assuming control with intelligent vulture aggression and good tank placement to expand behind seemed logical. The starting locations put the game on a timer in a sense - both players having to expand towards the 9 o'clock to "slice" a larger piece of the map. Flash having a later +1 is especially telling of the importance of earlier map control in an already positional matchup. And when you're Flash and you have more bases, you just win. Game two was the most boring of the series in my opinion. Both players scouted each other early and Shine had all the advantage to break with his lings in pre-muta timing. Game three was funny as hell and I'd like to watch it again to appreciate some of the finer points on both players' builds. Was Shine aware that Flash would go for earlier speed? It would be logical to play the more defensive game (i.e. researching mines first) in a scenario where you have little to no information on what Z is doing, you basically cannot harass up the tiny ramp into the main. He did go for more vultures earlier than I expected, but I couldn't follow his build closely enough; I expected the earliest wraith possible for an uncontested scout. Even with wraith/vulture, I thought the rush was pretty holdable even with a later scout(that SCV was hilarious and was a huge blunder by Shine IMO) - wraith snipes the overlord, mines are used to defend. I think we can safely assume Shine tailored the build specifically against Flash's variation of the 1-1-1, usual unit numbers and timings considered, so I suppose he had a backup plan in case Flash went mine first. Were the lings going to be used for sweeping? I hope someone can elaborate. Game four was possibly the most entertaining game of the night, possibly courtesy of Mind's failed wraith micro when he needed it the most (vs the guardians in the initial push on MisO's natural). I fully agree defilers would have been a much, much more reasonable choice , particularly on that map - the tiny ramps to the mains are a defiler's wet dream. Double expanding in the third world, also, seemed a bit too greedy to me and allowed the push in the natural in the first place - you've already forced T into two starports, they enable him to harass the third world more easily unless you get definite air superiority, so why would you also enable T to push the natural by spending on an additional expansion, not to mention forgoing defilers entirely? It's like forcing yourself into an unfavorable position, please correct me if I'm wrong in my assessment. Game five was fun too, the slow lurker drop was a cute idea, but I have to wonder about the predictability of an attack coming this way. Mind had already sent a marine to scout for some reason, maybe he got wind of it (he's playing vs Shine after all!), maybe something else happened that I didn't appreciate, but I feel the better idea is to keep T honest with mutas - it's a 3 rax build, so he doesn't have as many marines - to make for a harder to defend drop. Sure, the early bio push at Shine's natural delayed him, losing mutas, drones and having to make sunkens, but he regained map presence with mutas shortly enough. All in all nothing unexpected and I'm very happy that both terrans survived the group -being a terran player myself and as I said earlier, less zergs in Ro8 equals less ZvZ potential. I hope for a pretty even split between P and Z in the later groups, since PvP is not the prettiest sight either, though the new maps make for fun games. (Sky vs Shuttle was pure entertainment). | ||
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BisuDagger
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On April 02 2018 02:16 PVJ wrote: I also don't think the harsh comments here are warranted. This was the first I heard about NoregreT but I thought past certain mistakes they made a good number of correct calls, analysing the "sandwiching", ZvZ openers, then zerg positions vs scouting, how MisO expanded, Shine going Spire. It wasn't bad at all for a first cast. I was more baffled by calling Mind Flash all game than by any mistake or lack-of-a-good-call resulting from no knowledge. I think there's no problem with being curious, open enough to ask questions, share your thoughts on how and what your understanding of the game is. I think those are great and I hope he took the experience positively and perhaps got hooked on the game a lot more than before. This is all very subjective and usually not much constructive criticism can be found in the threads which I usually find a bit sad. I believe being a fan of the game shouldn't be intimidating to those who know less. They are great casters, but the issue is every transition from SC2 caster makes the same bw to sc2 comparisons all other sc2 casters made in the past. It was fun the first times rapid, tastlesss, artosis, and tastlesss all made the same comparisons as they returned/started new. I think toning back comparison talk just needs to be something for new SC2 casters to keep in mind. -This comment is coming from a person who watches GSL. | ||
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ii.blitzkrieg
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On April 02 2018 02:16 PVJ wrote: I also don't think the harsh comments here are warranted. This was the first I heard about NoregreT but I thought past certain mistakes they made a good number of correct calls, analysing the "sandwiching", ZvZ openers, then zerg positions vs scouting, how MisO expanded, Shine going Spire. It wasn't bad at all for a first cast. I was more baffled by calling Mind Flash all game than by any mistake or lack-of-a-good-call resulting from no knowledge. I think there's no problem with being curious, open enough to ask questions, share your thoughts on how and what your understanding of the game is. I think those are great and I hope he took the experience positively and perhaps got hooked on the game a lot more than before. This is all very subjective and usually not much constructive criticism can be found in the threads which I usually find a bit sad. I believe being a fan of the game shouldn't be intimidating to those who know less. I don't have a problem getting in a lesser experienced caster in a pinch if they know their role, I was more surprised by Rapids mistakes in game 1, saying they are both doing the same opener. Then talking about Mind's scout looking for a place to put a proxy fac? Mind still did not have a gas at this point. Then talking about opening with a fd? I muted the vod after that so idk but that is an extremely poor sample of knowledge from a guy who I know follows BW to some extent. Agreed on having a less experienced person there is fine if they know which questions to ask I generally don't care for any English casters though so no loss to me, and like I said I know they were in a pinch with tastosis ot Happy both Terrans got through to ro8 but kinda sad at the same time that Shine is out, always love to see his unorthodox play. Really never thought I would say that, used to hate him with a passion in the Kespa days haha. Just curious, are the Korean vods only up on afreeca or do they have a separate youtube channel? | ||
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Xeln4g4
Italy1208 Posts
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Race Bannon
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Mind and FlaSh killing it | ||
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10096 Posts
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
Reminds me of that crossing field game last ASL where Mind had a faster fourth and a supply lead then he fumbled an engagement (half his army went to the low ground lol) so he lost it while Flash lost like a tank or two at best. Flash pushed, stopped the fourth and took him own gg. Mind's play was a bit sloppy I feel, especially on third world. He did have great timing with the attack but his wraiths ate more scourge than they should've I feel. Still, that was a really close and entertaining battle and Miso almost held too. If he just survived, his 4 gas with ultras would've overwhelmed Mind soon. His game vs Shine was better. Still some mistakes like him having a large group of marines just sitting on the side while the mutas killed workers but maybe there's something I missed. On April 01 2018 20:49 hasuprotoss wrote: Shine's attempt of a slow lurker drop are killed off because Mind's marines were already over in his main to protect against mutas. Either way, the mutas got a good number of free kills on the marines and are now doing a fair bit of damage. Mind actually sniffed it out, both with that marine scout and he said in the post-game interview that he had a feeling that it was coming. His scan that also caught the incoming backstab and stopped it was great! | ||
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ajmbek
Italy460 Posts
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Kuks
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Rapid had some trouble though. | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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Kuks
43 Posts
On April 02 2018 22:25 Alpha-NP- wrote: Miso's game where he has 4 bases and gets trounced by a 2base Mind makes me hate the Terran race. Miso just played badly. Scouts 1-1-1 and mass Terran air, doesn't build a single spore colony. If he one spore at this central expansion it would not have died to wraths. If he had one spore at his natural his guardians would have stayed alive much longer and won the game. Don't be confused by Minds terrible wrath micro, that many scourge connections should have never happened. Miso did a terrible job at countering air. Miso also didn't make a nydus network. His fifth fell to like 6 marines, he played badly. Skipping Defiler tech was the second biggest failure Miso made, first being no spores. Miso basically fumbled at the 1 yard line. Also you are talking about a game between the 2nd best Terran and the worst Zerg. I think Miso has a lot of potential but needs more time to reach it. | ||
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Arvendilin
Germany1878 Posts
On April 02 2018 05:25 BisuDagger wrote: They are great casters, but the issue is every transition from SC2 caster makes the same bw to sc2 comparisons all other sc2 casters made in the past. It was fun the first times rapid, tastlesss, artosis, and tastlesss all made the same comparisons as they returned/started new. I think toning back comparison talk just needs to be something for new SC2 casters to keep in mind. -This comment is coming from a person who watches GSL. I think it is fine for NoRegreT to do this, seeing how he is a SC2 pro, and can analyze the game through the lense of that. The problem to me rather is all the other casters doing it, that are not in that position, and due to their past could be able to explain and expand on BW stuff without referencing other games. | ||
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noname_
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Miragee
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6505 Posts
On April 03 2018 08:59 noname_ wrote: When did become a trend to not gg back? It lreally ooks like an asshole behaviour. is just that usually when you loss and type gg u are pressing alt q very fast so in most of cases you are the missing the gg anyway. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
TE SA GI bwahahahahaha | ||
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Miragee
8474 Posts
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gk_ender
United States717 Posts
On April 03 2018 12:43 Miragee wrote: Can we just agree that every terran except Flash sucks balls atm? Even though Mind pulled through, his play looked so wacky in all three games. Or let's say in the first 2, his game against Shine was actually pretty solid. But it's Shine so yeah... Can we just agree that everyone sucks besides flash atm...... | ||
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Miragee
8474 Posts
On April 03 2018 12:56 gk_ender wrote: Can we just agree that everyone sucks besides flash atm...... Not really true. Even though not on Flash's level, a few protoss and zerg players are putting on a good display while every terran player seems to make basic mistakes all the time and completely fail on either micro or macro throughout the game. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On April 03 2018 12:43 Miragee wrote: Can we just agree that every terran except Flash sucks balls atm? Even though Mind pulled through, his play looked so wacky in all three games. Or let's say in the first 2, his game against Shine was actually pretty solid. But it's Shine so yeah... I don't know what the first game you watched was Miragee but he didn't do too badly vs Flash on Transistor. He even took an earlier third and had a slight supply lead and this was touched on in the post game interview. Flash himself was surprised. Mind's biggest mistake was pushing out and losing his army. That and it's possible that the scv lost in the vulture attack early on started to catch up to him. Game 2 though, sure, that was wacky lol. Still, it's not like third world is like FS or CB where these guys have massed a ton of games and gotten used to it. yes, he mismicroed the wraith, happens to everyone. So long as he won, that's all that matters. Game 3 was solid, no complaints like game 1. | ||
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Miragee
8474 Posts
On April 03 2018 14:06 BigFan wrote: I don't know what the first game you watched was Miragee but he didn't do too badly vs Flash on Transistor. He even took an earlier third and had a slight supply lead and this was touched on in the post game interview. Flash himself was surprised. Mind's biggest mistake was pushing out and losing his army. That and it's possible that the scv lost in the vulture attack early on started to catch up to him. Game 2 though, sure, that was wacky lol. Still, it's not like third world is like FS or CB where these guys have massed a ton of games and gotten used to it. yes, he mismicroed the wraith, happens to everyone. So long as he won, that's all that matters. Game 3 was solid, no complaints like game 1. He did extremely bad vs Flash. He miss-microed almost every single fight and was against the ropes almost the entire game. The only time he managed to catch some breath was when he used his air advantage to clean a siege-line. That "advantage" lasted for about 20 second until he lost all his tanks when he pushed stupidly onto the map and miss-managed his siege-up (such a face-palm moment really, because he could have at least ended that fight with even losses instead of losing everything and kill nothing). He also didn't take his third earlier. Not sure which game you were you were watching but they took the third at about the same time, Flash started the CC a bit earlier. About the second game: I agree about the map. However, there are general things that should not happen. For example getting wrecked by freaking guardians when you went wraith already... Remember the Kespa era when zergs lost the game most of the time they went guardians even if the terran didn't know about them? How can you lose all your wraiths against scourge if you have marines there as well? That's so sloppy for a pro. Then he pushed the zerg for ages and didn't put a third up behind it. He even had the option to put it in line of the push. That's perfect for terran. Had Where actually held the natural, which was a very close call, he could have won the game because of his strong macro advantage. Mind just barely broke him. I think Where would have won if he went for defilers instead of guards and then ultras... What a strange idea on that map. I get the guardians but ultras don't really seem good until really late in the game, no need to rush them. Game 3 was solid yeah. But then again, I think it's rather easy for players on that level to shut down Shine if they use their brain, like Mind did. He scouted for a hidden base, he anticipated and annihilated the lurker drop, he forced lots of sunkens out of Shine. Shine is just not good a straight macro games so as long as you shut down his quirky stuff to get far ahead in the game you'll win. I mean, if you really want a demonstration of what the game would have looked like against a decent player, just look at the damage Shine was able to do with 6 mutas. 6... without reinforcements. Mind's idle marines on both sides surely helped Shine out there. | ||
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noname_
456 Posts
On April 03 2018 09:52 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: is just that usually when you loss and type gg u are pressing alt q very fast so in most of cases you are the missing the gg anyway. I can see that. But there was a trend to gg back nevertheless, this trend clearly changed, seems like "manners" are only obliged if it absolutely has to (due to Kespa rules). There were a few instances when the other player was waiting for a gg reply (or at least seemed so), yet nothing happened. For example: | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
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Motivate
2860 Posts
On April 03 2018 08:59 noname_ wrote: When did become a trend to not gg back? It lreally ooks like an asshole behaviour. lol better have a word to jaedong then i dont believe jaedong has ever typed 'gg' back in any of his games during his career. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
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nurle
Norway308 Posts
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Miragee
8474 Posts
On April 05 2018 02:59 nurle wrote: Im sorry but Rapid's casting was woeful. He missed so much, and when he saw it, he literally contradicted what was going on. The other guy even told him what was happening and he would miss it. Yeah, I actually liked the other guy. Even though he had no idea about Broodwar he actually did a very good job. You could tell that he is a good SC2 caster for sure. | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1707 Posts
On April 05 2018 10:34 Miragee wrote: Yeah, I actually liked the other guy. Even though he had no idea about Broodwar he actually did a very good job. You could tell that he is a good SC2 caster for sure. Agreed. At first I was like what is this sc2 caster doing here. But then he turned out to be decent, that it was was awkward how many mistakes Rapid was making. Hell he kept calling Mind Flash. I dont think Rapid was that bad when he covered for Tastosis last season. | ||
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Glioburd
France1911 Posts
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Incomplete..ReV
Norway627 Posts
They've got the whole stuff as well =) | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands4888 Posts
On April 15 2018 07:12 Glioburd wrote: Is there a VOD somewhere? They only uploaded the highlight on the official youtube channel ;; Always check out the Small Vod Thread for the latest VODs. (If the VODs aren't there it's encouraged to post them in there when you do find them.) | ||
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Glioburd
France1911 Posts
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