He needed some gates at 9 so he could have a flank or backstab option. Econ and army were both solidly to his advantage but he was forced to engage unfavorably.

Keniji

Netherlands2569 Posts

September 11 2017 10:56 GMT

#102

I still really liked storks opening. Mid game execution failed him though :[

PVJ

Hungary5221 Posts

September 11 2017 10:57 GMT

#103

Well the forge was at the nat and it was still spinning while he was on 0-0. He also had archives there but no templar play out. But yeah he could've tried perhaps to gear up and try to break it one last time.

Liquid`Drone

Norway28736 Posts

September 11 2017 10:57 GMT

#104

On September 11 2017 19:54 FlaShFTW wrote:
late leg speed and needed a round of zealots earlier to really break that push before ssak got into that position right outside the natural. i think stork couldve given up the natural and still held onto those 3 bases but :/

also a problem caused by the lack of gateways in a different location. If he had 3 gates at 9 he could have given up his natural, saved main army and only engaged the push after a 12 goon/zealot army forced part of it back.

PVJ

Hungary5221 Posts

September 11 2017 10:58 GMT

#105

On September 11 2017 19:55 Liquid`Drone wrote:

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He needed some gates at 9 so he could have a flank or backstab option. Econ and army were both solidly to his advantage but he was forced to engage unfavorably.

He had some there and was even producing a couple of goons. Not sure if he missed a couple of rounds or why he never tried to flank with it from the left, though.

PVJ

Hungary5221 Posts

September 11 2017 10:59 GMT

#106

First time I'm seeing a TvT on Crossing. Curious how it'll play out. I hope Last goes through in spot no.1 so Stork can crush Ssak on FS.

TT1

Canada10012 Posts

September 11 2017 11:00 GMT

#107

On September 11 2017 19:55 Liquid`Drone wrote:

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He needed some gates at 9 so he could have a flank or backstab option. Econ and army were both solidly to his advantage but he was forced to engage unfavorably.

Getting proxy gates that early isn't common for Protoss tho. You're saying he should have took his 4th at 9 and made gates there, right? Terran went 2 base drop so i think he wanted to take a closer 4th just to be safe (safer worker transfer, faster to reach that base to defend vs drops because he won't need to walk through mine fields).

Also, even if he has a few proxy gates in order to flank he wouldn't have been able to pump out a ton of units that early in the game, they could have been dealt with with just mines/vulture pokes.

Liquid`Drone

Norway28736 Posts

September 11 2017 11:01 GMT

#108

I think they were blocked from leaving underneath. He did have some in his top left base, but I don't think the eggs were dead (so they could only leave through going towards his main, thus basically just being slower reinforcements) and they were added too late. I don't think that's a good flanking gateway location anyway.

Keniji

Netherlands2569 Posts

September 11 2017 11:02 GMT

#109

On September 11 2017 20:01 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I think they were blocked from leaving underneath. He did have some in his top left base, but I don't think the eggs were dead (so they could only leave through going towards his main, thus basically just being slower reinforcements) and they were added too late. I don't think that's a good flanking gateway location anyway.

He killed at least one gas when he took the 4th (against vultures I assume). So there was no way even if he killed the eggs.

Keniji

Netherlands2569 Posts

September 11 2017 11:02 GMT

#110

quote instead of edit :/

NoS-Craig

Australia3124 Posts

September 11 2017 11:04 GMT

#111

Loving the game info from Tastosis.Never thought to do that with my 2nd scout.

PVJ

Hungary5221 Posts

September 11 2017 11:05 GMT

#112

Last, god, what the heck

Liquid`Drone

Norway28736 Posts

September 11 2017 11:05 GMT

#113

On September 11 2017 20:00 TT1 wrote:

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Getting proxy gates that early isn't common for Protoss tho. You're saying he should have took his 4th at 9 and made gates there, right? Terran went 2 base drop so i think he wanted to take a closer 4th just to be safe. Also, even if he has a few proxy gates in order to flank he wouldn't have been able to pump out a ton of units that early in the game, they could have been dealt with with just mines/vulture pokes.

I don't even think the gates need to be at the 4th, tbh. If I play pvt fighting spirit and I'm 5 and he's 7, I take 3 as my third and 1 as my 4th, but I'm adding gateways 6-8 in 11 main. I think he could have made 3-4 gateways at 9 at a much earlier time, maybe even before taking the 4th, and it'd enable him to flank or backstab in a way that really crushes dedicated 2 base pushes, especially on a map like this where he can block off expansions so the refugee style of play works out wonderfully.