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EsportsJohn
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ShloobeR
Korea (South)3809 Posts
Last > Where Ssak < Stork Last > Stork Ssak > Where Ssak > Stork I envision a lot of one sided TvPs | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5220 Posts
It's going to be brutal on Gold Rush v Ssak. I fear the Tesagi. | ||
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
Ssak < Stork Last < Stork Ssak > Where Ssak < Last Stork, Last will advance to next round. | ||
thedeadhaji
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Ssak > Stork Last > Ssak Stork > Miso Stork > Ssak | ||
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usopsama
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NoS-Craig
Australia3116 Posts
Hoping Stork vs Ssak is a good game. | ||
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Wrath
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
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Arvendilin
Germany1878 Posts
On September 11 2017 15:55 bovienchien wrote: Last > Where Ssak < Stork Last < Stork Ssak > Where Ssak < Last Stork, Last will advance to next round. That is so fucking positive damn, Stork currently is doing really badly vs T on the new maps so I don't think he can beat a player like Last, I hope he advances in second place tho! | ||
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valaki
Hungary2476 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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PVJ
Hungary5220 Posts
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Speedbump
New Zealand338 Posts
On September 11 2017 16:35 Wrath wrote: Any idea how to watch the VODs without having it buffer every 3 seconds? You can't. It's a feature of afreeca. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5220 Posts
In the past few days in the couple of hours I managed to catch Stork streaming he was beating EffOrt, hero, July in vZ matches. vT however, he had a hard time beating Rush, Mind, Mong, FBH even just once, while losing to Flash, Sharp, Rush, Mind, Mong many times. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5220 Posts
On September 11 2017 16:49 Arvendilin wrote: That is so fucking positive damn, Stork currently is doing really badly vs T on the new maps so I don't think he can beat a player like Last, I hope he advances in second place tho! Maybe he'll pull out that scout build he used to beat Mind on Crossing Field and that will be enough to get the best of Last. He might be young enough not to have ever seen one of those units. | ||
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heyitsMiro
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Last will win 2-1. Stork will take third. | ||
TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
On September 11 2017 18:01 PVJ wrote: Stork would have an easier time if MisO could pull off a surprise win v Last and they would meet in the winners. In the past few days in the couple of hours I managed to catch Stork streaming he was beating EffOrt, hero, July in vZ matches. vT however, he had a hard time beating Rush, Mind, Mong, FBH even just once, while losing to Flash, Sharp, Rush, Mind, Mong many times. I think that scenario is pretty unlikely. I thought of Last as a TvZ monster. | ||
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Arvendilin
Germany1878 Posts
On September 11 2017 18:03 PVJ wrote: Maybe he'll pull out that scout build he used to beat Mind on Crossing Field and that will be enough to get the best of Last. He might be young enough not to have ever seen one of those units. Maybe, and atleast he won't go out first out of his group I don't think his PvZ has been pretty decent for the most part | ||
GTR
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On September 11 2017 17:56 PVJ wrote: So is it Where or MisO? Which handle will be displayed? There doesn't seem to be such a consensus on this as with Killer. This is the real question of the day! afreeca have him listed as where. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4128 Posts
On September 11 2017 16:35 Wrath wrote: Any idea how to watch the VODs without having it buffer every 3 seconds? Try changing the settings to high or low, might help. | ||
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
On September 11 2017 16:49 Arvendilin wrote: That is so fucking positive damn, Stork currently is doing really badly vs T on the new maps so I don't think he can beat a player like Last, I hope he advances in second place tho! Stork has not scare anyone, excepting Flash. His TvsP is very strong, especially on new maps, he can use carrier. Last only takes win by people are weaker than him and Ssak is skill so well but he will lose at Rush Gold map, the map of the mind war. | ||
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10158 Posts
On September 11 2017 14:46 ShloobeR wrote: I'll go with Last > Where Ssak < Stork Last > Stork Ssak > Where Ssak > Stork I envision a lot of one sided TvPs this is what i have in my gut feeling but i really want stork to win... stork > ssak on fighting spirit... but its a long shot | ||
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DinoToss
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
Heart says Stork can show why he was once considered one of the five best players on the planet. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10158 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3116 Posts
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Ej_
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
On September 11 2017 19:01 NoS-Craig wrote: Cheering for Stork here. Terran games are gonna be tough but hopefully he can get the job done. I'm curious how MIsO will go. To be honest I don't know to much about how good he is. I think MisO is a lot better than people give him credit for. He's dead last in the ASL 4 Power Rank and I can't agree with that. He's had solid games across GTB and KCM Race Survivals and he looks more than decent. That said, this is a tough group for him. Even if he's among the stronger Zerg players right now, sSak and Last might be almost insurmountable. | ||
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
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PVJ
Hungary5220 Posts
On September 11 2017 18:21 TaardadAiel wrote: I think that scenario is pretty unlikely. I thought of Last as a TvZ monster. Hence surprise. Thanks GTR. I prefer MisO but Where is good too. | ||
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PVJ
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PVJ
Hungary5220 Posts
On September 11 2017 18:56 Aylear wrote: Today is all about the Stork for me. Will he show up to play? Has he had enough time? Keeping up with the Stork progress thread has been enjoyable and I'd love for it to pay off here. Heart says Stork can show why he was once considered one of the five best players on the planet. I didn't have time to watch and update that thread properly but all I can say it will be haaard for him to get through potentially 3 PvTs. It seems like both the harass-heavy Gold Rush and macro oriented Crossing Field posed some problems for him, even though he tried to make carriers work. It went fine like one time out of every three matches. Anyway, he's always better offline so I hope he'll pull through. Now, Last v Where. Last already better than Light yesterday. | ||
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PVJ
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Liquid`Drone
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PVJ
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PVJ
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NoS-Craig
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Lost so many lings early. | ||
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PVJ
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valaki
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Aylear
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Keniji
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Arvendilin
Germany1878 Posts
At first I thought this was a ad about contraceptions and against teenage pregnancy lol | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10158 Posts
Poll: Recommend Game 1? No (9) If you have time (4) Yes (1) 14 total votes Your vote: Recommend Game 1? | ||
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
All the lings dying to get 1 marine and a supply depot was sad to watch, anyway. | ||
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FlaShFTW
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
On September 11 2017 19:29 TaardadAiel wrote: Is it the one-sided game or mutas don't look too good on this map? You can get your 3rd gas pretty safely anyway and the ground above the natural is accessible by MnM. Not even a nice spot for guardian morph. All the lings dying to get 1 marine and a supply depot was sad to watch, anyway. I don't think you can make any conclusion what is good at this map after the failed ling all-in | ||
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
On September 11 2017 19:30 Keniji wrote: I don't think you can make any conclusion what is good at this map after the failed ling all-in Yea, that's about right. I was talking more in general. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5220 Posts
YEAHHHHH | ||
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coolprogrammingstuff
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Arvendilin
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TaardadAiel
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Aylear
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Ej_
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On September 11 2017 19:34 TaardadAiel wrote: Stork does look like a metalhead for some reason! What's your favorite metal band? Mine is Skull Desert. | ||
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Aylear
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RKC
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On September 11 2017 19:30 FlaShFTW wrote: this drink commercial is tilting the ever loving crap outta me. Sound quality - check! Epic commentary - check! Great cast, guys!  | ||
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PVJ
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NoS-Craig
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
 First game of group play? Maybe it's just the map. | ||
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TaardadAiel
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TT1
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PVJ
Hungary5220 Posts
Ssak's turtling hard on 2. 4th rax going down. | ||
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Keniji
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PVJ
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coolprogrammingstuff
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Elroi
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PVJ
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28667 Posts
Nice engagement from both players. Fun game so far. | ||
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juvenal
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NoS-Craig
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PVJ
Hungary5220 Posts
Pretty intense. | ||
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coolprogrammingstuff
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
e: There's the forge, seems late though | ||
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Aylear
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On September 11 2017 19:48 Liquid`Drone wrote: If stork had gateways in another location he'd be in good shape. now I think he's gonna die instead. I was expecting him to, but then he stopped making gateways in the top left. He's only got a few up there. | ||
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Aylear
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Terrorbladder
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
On September 11 2017 19:50 Aylear wrote: I was expecting him to, but then he stopped making gateways in the top left. He's only got a few up there. he killed the gas early on top left. so gates from there could only go through the main base anyway. | ||
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juvenal
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PVJ
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odeSSa
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Aylear
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On September 11 2017 19:50 Terrorbladder wrote: wtf Stork... u were ahead in everything 0-0 upgrades, lack of flanking options. | ||
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TT1
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+40 supply lead when Terran initially pushed out? 4 base reinforcements vs 2 base reinforcements, eco had enough time to kick in, gates were up. | ||
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c3rberUs
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On September 11 2017 19:52 TT1 wrote: +40 supply lead when Terran initially pushed out? This, Stork kinda threw it away. Damn I miss it when he killed shit | ||
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FlaShFTW
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28667 Posts
On September 11 2017 19:52 TT1 wrote: +40 supply lead when Terran initially pushed out? 4 base reinforcements vs 2 base reinforcements, eco had enough time to kick in, gates were up. He needed some gates at 9 so he could have a flank or backstab option. Econ and army were both solidly to his advantage but he was forced to engage unfavorably. | ||
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Keniji
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PVJ
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Liquid`Drone
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On September 11 2017 19:54 FlaShFTW wrote: late leg speed and needed a round of zealots earlier to really break that push before ssak got into that position right outside the natural. i think stork couldve given up the natural and still held onto those 3 bases but :/ also a problem caused by the lack of gateways in a different location. If he had 3 gates at 9 he could have given up his natural, saved main army and only engaged the push after a 12 goon/zealot army forced part of it back. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5220 Posts
On September 11 2017 19:55 Liquid`Drone wrote: He needed some gates at 9 so he could have a flank or backstab option. Econ and army were both solidly to his advantage but he was forced to engage unfavorably. He had some there and was even producing a couple of goons. Not sure if he missed a couple of rounds or why he never tried to flank with it from the left, though. | ||
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PVJ
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TT1
Canada10009 Posts
On September 11 2017 19:55 Liquid`Drone wrote: He needed some gates at 9 so he could have a flank or backstab option. Econ and army were both solidly to his advantage but he was forced to engage unfavorably. Getting proxy gates that early isn't common for Protoss tho. You're saying he should have took his 4th at 9 and made gates there, right? Terran went 2 base drop so i think he wanted to take a closer 4th just to be safe (safer worker transfer, faster to reach that base to defend vs drops because he won't need to walk through mine fields). Also, even if he has a few proxy gates in order to flank he wouldn't have been able to pump out a ton of units that early in the game, they could have been dealt with with just mines/vulture pokes. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
On September 11 2017 20:01 Liquid`Drone wrote: I think they were blocked from leaving underneath. He did have some in his top left base, but I don't think the eggs were dead (so they could only leave through going towards his main, thus basically just being slower reinforcements) and they were added too late. I don't think that's a good flanking gateway location anyway. He killed at least one gas when he took the 4th (against vultures I assume). So there was no way even if he killed the eggs. | ||
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Keniji
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PVJ
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28667 Posts
On September 11 2017 20:00 TT1 wrote: Getting proxy gates that early isn't common for Protoss tho. You're saying he should have took his 4th at 9 and made gates there, right? Terran went 2 base drop so i think he wanted to take a closer 4th just to be safe. Also, even if he has a few proxy gates in order to flank he wouldn't have been able to pump out a ton of units that early in the game, they could have been dealt with with just mines/vulture pokes. I don't even think the gates need to be at the 4th, tbh. If I play pvt fighting spirit and I'm 5 and he's 7, I take 3 as my third and 1 as my 4th, but I'm adding gateways 6-8 in 11 main. I think he could have made 3-4 gateways at 9 at a much earlier time, maybe even before taking the 4th, and it'd enable him to flank or backstab in a way that really crushes dedicated 2 base pushes, especially on a map like this where he can block off expansions so the refugee style of play works out wonderfully. | ||
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
EDIT : Last obviously likes his valkyries. | ||
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Man, I wish Stork would have just beat Ssak. This is going to be haaard. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
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On September 11 2017 20:33 konadora wrote: he should have just cancelled the hatchery at natural immediately, start expanding at the back, then just tech up with lings and hydras instead of forcing a ramp break and losing all those drones.. yea on most maps zealots blocking your ramp so you cant leave your main is a death sentence for zerg, but on this specific one it's actually possible to go on playing a somewhat normal game just taking your back natural. | ||
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c3rberUs
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On September 11 2017 20:36 Liquid`Drone wrote: yea on most maps zealots blocking your ramp so you cant leave your main is a death sentence for zerg, but on this specific one it's actually possible to go on playing a somewhat normal game just taking your back natural. Perhaps he lacked practice partners. And I guess we can also add in the nerves of being on stage (Stork has real advantage on that side) Last on FS. Dayum. This is going to be brutally hard. | ||
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GTR
51451 Posts
On September 11 2017 20:36 PVJ wrote: Stork can win this. It's on FS at least, a map he's played a 1000 x 1000 times. and Last has probably played on it 2000 x 2000 times | ||
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coolprogrammingstuff
906 Posts
Stork vs Last. Weow. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
On September 11 2017 20:36 Liquid`Drone wrote: yea on most maps zealots blocking your ramp so you cant leave your main is a death sentence for zerg, but on this specific one it's actually possible to go on playing a somewhat normal game just taking your back natural. yeah :/ this is the problem with most BW pros, they can't respond on the fly and adapt to the map and/or situation. that game just now was the perfect example of that... | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10158 Posts
On September 11 2017 20:38 konadora wrote: yeah :/ this is the problem with most BW pros, they can't respond on the fly and adapt to the map and/or situation. that game just now was the perfect example of that... desperate times call for desperate measures. too bad miso isnt zero and cant pull off proxy hatches. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5220 Posts
On September 11 2017 20:38 GTR wrote: and Last has probably played on it 2000 x 2000 times Yeah, that in itself isn't likely to bring Stork the win. What I meant was, Stork seemed to struggle to get a grasp on how to put together winning strategies on Gold Rush and Crossing Field. On the other hand, with FS being a standard map Stork won't have to battle the map. He has to only focus on battling Last. | ||
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On September 11 2017 20:38 GTR wrote: and Last has probably played on it 2000 x 2000 times Knowing last and his 739453 ladder accounts he has probably played on it like 10000 x 10000 times | ||
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
Edit: Balls. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10158 Posts
On September 11 2017 20:41 Ej_ wrote: Stork's only hope is diagonal carriers. welp rip that hope | ||
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c3rberUs
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SONG BYUNG GOO! SONG BYUNG GOO! | ||
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c3rberUs
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He can always horizontal carriers | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10158 Posts
uhmmmm i dont think thats how it works xD | ||
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konadora
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lul and position is good for last too | ||
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Stork going Robo. | ||
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On September 11 2017 20:47 c3rberUs wrote: lol Bisu has more viewers than the actual official stream Around 60 k viewers in total today as well. | ||
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On September 11 2017 20:52 Twinkle Toes wrote: SC:R looks gorgeous At first I didn't like it much, but the more I've watched/played it the more I like it. | ||
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PVJ
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On September 11 2017 20:49 Aylear wrote: This Reaver needs to do some serious work. I've had my fill of Stork losing that without doing any real damage. Happens all the time during spons, and happened again. So infuriating. | ||
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On September 11 2017 20:52 PVJ wrote: Happens all the time during spons, and happened again. So infuriating. And this is how Stork dies. | ||
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Stork's in this! | ||
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Stork's storms are so beautiful, this game has totally turned upside down | ||
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Stork's sending over a zealot to harass | ||
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On September 11 2017 21:02 ComusLoM wrote: Storm drop without storms? DT Storms | ||
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IS WINNING | ||
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WEW | ||
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razorsuKe
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holy shit, how was that even possible? Stork was completely done | ||
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Incredible! Incredible! He's done it. After a failed reaver drop and having his nat and 3rd demolished by Last's 2base fac push Stork turns the whole thing around with beautiful storms, great macro, and amazing stasises. Samsung Protoss, Dino toss, Stork -- at his best. | ||
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On September 11 2017 21:04 Twinkle Toes wrote: Is SC:R available for download already? How? What? It's been out for a month. There was a launch party and everything. | ||
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On September 11 2017 21:04 Twinkle Toes wrote: Is SC:R available for download already? How? Are you out of the loop? 15 dollars for Remaster, it's been almost one month too. Great game by Stork. Love the way he moves around the map. Why hide the reaver tech but not the robo? I think Last saw the shuttle and knew it was drops. | ||
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wander
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c3rberUs
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SONG BYUNG GU! SONG BYUNG GU! SONG BYUNG GU! | ||
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Aylear
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1) Going Speed shuttle + Reaver and getting nothing done with either, and 2) Losing 2 Nexuses from Last pushing super hard is incredible to me. | ||
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phosphorylation
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c3rberUs
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On September 11 2017 21:05 PVJ wrote: @cerb3rus the thing I wrote somewhere, he's mentioning it again: He would have lost his viewers if he didn't win this. I'm just glad he's made it through. I'm screaming like a fangirl here over a ro24 match lol | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4128 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:03 razorsuKe wrote: what...... the fuck ..... actually happened holy shit, how was that even possible? Stork was completely done Killing those tanks which were shooting at his 3rd with the shuttle and dt was key. It allowed him to get his nat and 3rd back up pretty quickly. If Last kept those tanks he could have gathered 1 more round of vultures and go kill the main. | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:05 geod wrote: OMG. How could Stork possibly win it? I couldn't understand it. Overjoy here. Stork fighting!!! Cut reinforcements and Terran traded his whole army mostly tanks for only 2 Nexus | ||
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razorsuKe
Canada2000 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:05 Aylear wrote: What? It's been out for a month. There was a launch party and everything. ![[image loading]](http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/128/slowpoke_pokemon.gif){kind=icon} | ||
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Aylear
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On September 11 2017 21:07 TT1 wrote: Stork's still a grumpy old man, even when he wins :D. Hahah, I'm fine with him doing the grumpy old man interview as is custom, so long as I got to watch him be genuinely happy and excited right after that game ended. | ||
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On September 11 2017 21:08 deathgod6 wrote: Last choked, he had the game in the bag. I don't understand why his upgrades were so late, he was maxed but moved out with only 1-0 upgrades. I assumed his upgrades were gonna be really fast considering how delayed his 4th was. | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1707 Posts
Well I knew stork was still very much in it when I saw the supply count after Last killed 2 bases. They were close (bad for P), but the tank count was gone. all of that was vultures. no threat to Stork. He just needed to not die for a while. What I didnt catch is how/why Last screwed up the initial push. There was no way Stork should have broken out of that contain. He shldve just taken a few tanks to kill the middle base. He instaed took everything and allowed Stork to get out of his natural. | ||
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deathgod6
United States5064 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:08 Essbee wrote: Damn I feel bad for Last, he's one of the most dedicated streamer out there. Stork is just more talented. lol, most of the korean pros would probably rather play Stork than Last. That's like saying Shine is more talented than Bisu because he wins head to head. | ||
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owned4ursake
Australia59 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:08 couic wrote: I have been able to watch the whole thing in "hd" without any lag from Afreeca, that's the first time for me as it usually ends up lagging at some point. Seems like Afreeca is taking a good care of us europeans this time. Thanks a lot ! Yeah no lag on Source here in Australia too. What ever they did worked | ||
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On September 11 2017 21:10 [GiTM]-Ace wrote: so tastetosis can translate now? nice :D no, they have the producer translating in their ear and they just repeat what they say | ||
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LV_426
Poland432 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:06 Aylear wrote: Someone please analyse that game in a writeup or something because Stork coming back after 1) Going Speed shuttle + Reaver and getting nothing done with either, and 2) Losing 2 Nexuses from Last pushing super hard is incredible to me. two words p imba | ||
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deathgod6
United States5064 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:10 GTR wrote: no, they have the producer translating in their ear and they just repeat what they say to think I thought they learned enough Korean to translate haha | ||
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deathgod6
United States5064 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:10 epi wrote: Last was too sure of himself, I think, too certain he had the edge against Stork. Twice in the game he chose to wait and macro up harder and do a "safe" attack, and each time he did that he gave Stork too much breathing room. The cheeses in Stork's first two games may have contributed to that feeling, the idea that even Stork thought he had no chance in a straight up game. Intentional or not I think Last got mind-gamed. Quite the opposite. Last tried too hard to go for the kill and lost his army killing the 3rd base. From there he had to rebuild his whole army which allowed Stork enough time to rebuild his nexuses and macro back up. | ||
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GTR
51451 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:09 TT1 wrote: I don't understand why his upgrades were so late, he was maxed but moved out with only 1-0 upgrades. I assumed his upgrades were gonna be really fast considering how delayed his 4th was. i think last also targeted the wrong stuff. he probably should've split his army into taking out the gateways at the top right and the main base, because he surely had to know that stork had a bank and was going to be able to remax quite quickly. and yeah for a 2-1 6 fac 3 base push that was pretty slow. guess we'll need to analyse the fpvods to see what was really up. | ||
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geod
Vietnam450 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:07 SkelA wrote: Cut reinforcements and Terran traded his whole army mostly tanks for only 2 Nexus But he lost almost all his army in the counter attack killing basically nothing. It's just out of my mind!!! | ||
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On September 11 2017 21:12 deathgod6 wrote: to think I thought they learned enough Korean to translate haha lol maybe when those korean lessons pay off... :eyes: | ||
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reminisce12
Australia318 Posts
1. he killed all the tanks in the initial push even though he lost 2 nexiis, he had 2 left. 2. he had a good engagement in the second battle wiping out most of last's army, good storm and stasis. 3. last couldnt/didnt get a 4th up fast enough. | ||
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if TT1 is right and last only pushed with 1-0 in the end, then that was his losing mistake was not getting upgrades. | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1707 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:10 epi wrote: Last was too sure of himself, I think, too certain he had the edge against Stork. Twice in the game he chose to wait and macro up harder and do a "safe" attack, and each time he did that he gave Stork too much breathing room. The cheeses in Stork's first two games may have contributed to that feeling, the idea that even Stork thought he had no chance in a straight up game. Intentional or not I think Last got mind-gamed. I agree. Top tier protosses know how to break pushes and win against maxed out T armies. You cant just max and then expect to roll them over like other Ps. Whether or not Stork's cheese affected Last we dont know yet, but he certainly acted like he could easily beat Stork straight up | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5220 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:06 GTR wrote: still the commander of excuses LOL Gotta love it. On September 11 2017 21:06 Aylear wrote: Someone please analyse that game in a writeup or something because Stork coming back after 1) Going Speed shuttle + Reaver and getting nothing done with either, and 2) Losing 2 Nexuses from Last pushing super hard is incredible to me. One thing I that for sure kept him in the game was the hero dark templar that killed off like 6 of Last's tanks right after Last killed Stork's third. I don't think Last scanned or noticed that DT there and that was crucial. Also, one other thing I noticed was that after killing Stork's 3rd Last went up to top with two vultures to block the 1 o'clock base's natural but he never went up the ramp to check the 1 o'clock. I think that he missed the fact that Stork already had the expansion up. Stork played with great pace this last match. Something I missed last season and in a couple of tough vT losses on his stream. | ||
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Macedonia13032 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:14 geod wrote: But he lost almost all his army in the counter attack killing basically nothing. It's just out of my mind!!! No he didnt, he was killing rallying vults and there was only 1 tank there | ||
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Essbee
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On September 11 2017 21:09 deathgod6 wrote: lol, most of the korean pros would probably rather play Stork than Last. That's like saying Shine is more talented than Bisu because he wins head to head. How is that even close to being related to what I've said? Last practices a lot, he is constantly one of the best player online, but Stork, similar to when he was playing on samsung khan, can be one of the best players without the need to heavily practice. He's just good at the game, despite all the mistakes. So yeah, ofc most pros would rather play Stork. And Shine isn't more talented than Bisu, I don't know how you got that from my original post. | ||
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:09 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote: I LB'd Stork. Yeah!! Well I knew Stork was still very much in it when I saw the supply count after Last killed 2 bases. They were close (Bad for P), but the tank count was gone. all of that was vultures. no threat to Stork. He just needed to not die for a while. What I didnt catch is How/why Last screwed up the initial PuSh. There was no Way Stork should have broken out of that contain. He shldve just taken a few tanks to kill the Middle base. He instaed took everything and allowed Stork to get out of his NaTuRal. Totally agree, Last should've split his tank force to kill the 3 o'clock. He led a bunch of tanks into an envelope instead. People have lost wars that way, you know. :D | ||
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Hungary5220 Posts
He's running in the same place and shouting SONG BYUNG GU Hilarious, worth watching. http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/scv6256 | ||
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Norway28667 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:17 PVJ wrote: Gotta love it. One thing I that for sure kept him in the game was the hero dark templar that killed off like 6 of Last's tanks right after Last killed Stork's third. I don't think Last scanned or noticed that DT there and that was crucial. Also, one other thing I noticed was that after killing Stork's 3rd Last went up to top with two vultures to block the 1 o'clock base's natural but he never went up the ramp to check the 1 o'clock. I think that he missed the fact that Stork already had the expansion up. Stork played with great pace this last match. Something I missed last season and in a couple of tough vT losses on his stream. Watching it, I actually thought that part of the reason why Stork was committing to his attack with the goons against his natural, even after it looked like a losing play, was that he wanted to make sure Last kept focusing on his natural so he wouldn't scan the dt. | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1707 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:17 FlaShFTW wrote: it definitely was last's game to lose. yes he lost his entire army but stork did lose two base mining for a considerable amount of time. if TT1 is right and last only pushed with 1-0 in the end, then that was his losing mistake was not getting upgrades. He was distance mining which is more effective than most expect. I thought it was very even after the initial push. If not a P advantage. Again, how Last managed to lose his entire army to a P that split his army and had the backstab group vaporized, I dont quite understand, he really underestimated stork then. He probably thought he already won. After that, if he really forgot upgrades then that was huge, but even if he didnt, it was going to be an uphill battle. Stork knows how to break pushes and trade units efficiently. Last stayed on 3 bases for too long. Maybe with upgrades he would have been able to hold the 4th and stabilize, but now we''ll never know... | ||
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On September 11 2017 21:24 Liquid`Drone wrote: Watching it, I actually thought that part of the reason why Stork was committing to his attack with the goons against his natural, even after it looked like a losing play, was that he wanted to make sure Last kept focusing on his natural so he wouldn't scan the dt. Stork's play from then on out was stellar. He knew that Last's strength was in getting a good position, getting more expansions up, and just overwhelming Stork several minutes down the line when the loss of those Nexuses really kicked in. He wanted to trade off really quickly to prevent Last from moving out, and then when Last re-maxed and went for 9 o'clock, Stork moved in again to deny it, since it was Last's only hope at that point. Shaky start, but man did Stork pull it back. | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:05 NasKe_ wrote: Are you out of the loop? 15 dollars for Remaster, it's been almost one month too. Great game by Stork. Love the way he moves around the map. Why hide the reaver tech but not the robo? I think Last saw the shuttle and knew it was drops. Oh thanks. Too much SC2 and noob at bw, forgive me already ok? :p | ||
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Hungary5220 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:24 Liquid`Drone wrote: Watching it, I actually thought that part of the reason why Stork was committing to his attack with the goons against his natural, even after it looked like a losing play, was that he wanted to make sure Last kept focusing on his natural so he wouldn't scan the dt. That makes perfect sense. Even the observer focused on that attack so it's very plausible Last did the same and just switched back to see he had nothing left of his initial army. I would like to watch the replay to confirm but I also suspect he indeed missed out on Stork's 1 o'clock expo, when he placed down the mines there and just turned around, so he might have decided to not expand because he thought he was still ahead anyway. | ||
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GTR
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On September 11 2017 21:23 PVJ wrote: I'm not sure but Light might have lost a bet or something. He's running in the same place and shouting SONG BYUNG GU Hilarious, worth watching. http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/scv6256 rip headphone users | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5220 Posts
Then again, if this is the last thing I hear I'm happy to stay deaf forever. SONG BYUNG GU HWAITING! | ||
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TT1
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On September 11 2017 21:33 FlaShFTW wrote: Last had 2/1 when he tried to take his 4th and had the double stasis go off near the bridge to his 4th where stork traded armies. Last threw his lead the first time he pushed out over the bridge (leading to his main) after he was maxed. Both players were maxed but Stork had 4 bases and was taking his 5th. Last's edge in that scenario would have been to have an upgrade lead (wish he should have had) so he could roll Stork's army cost efficiently. Instead he only had 1-0 and decided to push out with his tanks exposed and no mine protection, he lost ~40 supply worth of tanks for free there. At that point Stork's eco kicked in again so he was able to just churn out gate units and keep the momentum. I don't understand why Last would even consider moving out like that with just 1-0 and i don't understand why his 2-1 was so late considering his 4th was suuuuuper delayed, was really weird. | ||
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c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:35 FlaShFTW wrote: I will probably be doing an analysis video of the Stork Last game later today after work to try to figure out how stork won this game. I'll be trying to get esportsjohn to do it with me but analysis with 2 people generally is kinda tough to do. anyways, thanks everyone for coming and watching our stream! as usual, it's a ton of fun to be able to do this :D No need to analyze it, it's obvious Stork won due to his innate awesomeness | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5220 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:53 K.H.J wrote: Today ASL4 Group B... 1. Stork said ' U key didnt activate while i was playing 1 set. So i cant use shuttle well.' 2. Light said ' it was me. yesterday, i changed hotkey U. ' 3. But Stork use his own account, and his hotkey of shuttle drop is U key during his game. so...maybe is it bug? | ||
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mcmascote
Brazil1575 Posts
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17727 Posts
Yea I mentioned it earlier. Stork was saying how the U key wasn't there so he had to click on the wireframes separately to drop his units and because of that he wasn't able to micro his army. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5220 Posts
On September 11 2017 22:19 Ilikestarcraft wrote: Yea I mentioned it earlier. Stork was saying how the U key wasn't there so he had to click on the wireframes separately to drop his units and because of that he wasn't able to micro his army. I missed that. Thanks for the details! That's very interesting and if true, problematic. | ||
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
On September 11 2017 22:15 mcmascote wrote: Hey guys, this wont be streamed on youtube anymore? I lost yesterdays game and then got spoiled. I tried to go to the afreeca's site but you can't watch it on demand. It says "until next time". I found the vod on Afreeca but its the korean version and more importantly it keeps buffering. Now I don't want to get spoilers again and don't know how to look for this. As Trump would say: sad. They're not streaming to YouTube, but they are uploading the games there afterward. Here are today's games. Beware they were uploaded literally 1 minute ago, and I heard the video is lower resolution for a short time after it's uploaded. Also it must be available on demand from Afreeca site, as I watched day 1 videos from there. But I can't find day 2 VODs. Currently it's "replaying" the matches. So maybe they put it up as a VOD after the rebroadcast ends. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13006 Posts
Last made a critcal error by sacrificing way too much to take out the 3 o'clock after killing Stork's nat. He would've been better containing him to his main imo and using smaller forces to poke at his expos. Think Last got a little cocky. I think maybe he didnt scout the 1 o'clock expo. Crucial error if so! | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5220 Posts
The two vultures going scouting towards the 1 o'clock happens before Last's push and I do think he made an error or just a costly mistake not going up the ramp. You can check his vultures checking the nat but not the main of the 1 o'clock here at this timestamp. https://gaming.youtube.com/watch?t=6670&v=jrqsqrGlisc On September 11 2017 23:06 RowdierBob wrote: Thought he muffed it taking his fourth way too soon after losing the reaver so cheaply but what do I know?! Actually that was something I feared for a second as well. When watching him play spons in the past couple of days he lost more than I can count to pushes while had not much of an army as he was over-expanding. Glad it worked out all good today! Looking forward to the group selection! On September 11 2017 22:42 Burned Toast wrote: Links to games of Group B (english, korean, spanish) are uploaded in the Small VOD Thread. Big thanks | ||
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Hungary5220 Posts
https://gaming.youtube.com/watch?t=6877&v=jrqsqrGlisc | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4128 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:50 TT1 wrote: Last threw his lead the first time he pushed out over the bridge (leading to his main) after he was maxed. Both players were maxed but Stork had 4 bases and was taking his 5th. Last's edge in that scenario would have been to have an upgrade lead (wish he should have had) so he could roll Stork's army cost efficiently. Instead he only had 1-0 and decided to push out with his tanks exposed and no mine protection, he lost ~40 supply worth of tanks for free there. At that point Stork's eco kicked in again so he was able to just churn out gate units and keep the momentum. I don't understand why Last would even consider moving out like that with just 1-0 and i don't understand why his 2-1 was so late considering his 4th was suuuuuper delayed, was really weird. It was a good decision to move out, Stork invested heavily into reavers and his 4th was late. At that point they were pretty even on supply and sometimes it's a good decision to push out earlier instead of letting P have a chance of getting back in the game. Also he knew zealot speed wasn't going to finish soon. He did make a key mistake of losing all his tanks to kill a nexus which is not a good trade. | ||
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Marou
Germany1371 Posts
 Seriouslt what happened ? Did the other players just played well ? Do you guys think if it was BO1 Last would have made it out for sure ? | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1707 Posts
On September 12 2017 00:12 Dante08 wrote: It was a good decision to move out, Stork invested heavily into reavers and his 4th was late. At that point they were pretty even on supply and sometimes it's a good decision to push out earlier instead of letting P have a chance of getting back in the game. Also he knew zealot speed wasn't going to finish soon. He did make a key mistake of losing all his tanks to kill a nexus which is not a good trade. I think TT1 was referring to the second push as Last was taking his 4th. The first push was, as you said, a very good decision which should have ended the game or given him an insurmountable lead. The mistake with the tanks and, apparently a DT which did too much damage, cost Last the game. | ||
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DinoToss
Poland507 Posts
On September 11 2017 18:55 DinoToss wrote: Hopefully Stork will show us some old magic. I was right :D | ||
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geod
Vietnam450 Posts
On September 11 2017 23:06 RowdierBob wrote: Beautiful last game from Stork. Thought he muffed it taking his fourth way too soon after losing the reaver so cheaply but what do I know?! Last made a critcal error by sacrificing way too much to take out the 3 o'clock after killing Stork's nat. He would've been better containing him to his main imo and using smaller forces to poke at his expos. Think Last got a little cocky. I think maybe he didnt scout the 1 o'clock expo. Crucial error if so! I have just re-watched the game. Last's push while had a huge tank count was very low on vulture. So army divide would have been a self suicide decision. We should remember that Stork had speed shuttle full of zealot and dark templar at this point. | ||
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VioleTAK
4315 Posts
I'm shocked Last is out... (was) top3 player in this tourney without a doubt, WOW! | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10158 Posts
On September 12 2017 00:16 Marou wrote: nice power ranking teamliquid Seriouslt what happened ? Did the other players just played well ? Do you guys think if it was BO1 Last would have made it out for sure ? Last made a critical error in his game vs ssak where he had an air force designed to stop ssak's air fleet of dropships and moved them south for whatever reason right as ssak moved in from the north to drop. Instant gg | ||
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Hatchet_man
Russian Federation249 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
So happy both of them made it out! Well deserved by both of them. Last is an amazing player, but he doesn't show up well enough to tournaments at all. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5220 Posts
On September 12 2017 03:01 Hatchet_man wrote: There's a Liquipedia screenshot under the "results" spoiler, but when I go to Liquipedia ASL4 page I see an empty Group B table. Am I doing something wrong? I think whoever did the screenshot submitted the changes but they aren't accepted just yet which is why the live version is empty. | ||
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United States20661 Posts
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KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
Never imagined I would get to witness this level of SC once more! | ||
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TT1
Canada10009 Posts
On September 12 2017 00:12 Dante08 wrote: It was a good decision to move out, Stork invested heavily into reavers and his 4th was late. At that point they were pretty even on supply and sometimes it's a good decision to push out earlier instead of letting P have a chance of getting back in the game. Also he knew zealot speed wasn't going to finish soon. He did make a key mistake of losing all his tanks to kill a nexus which is not a good trade. This is what I'm talking about: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/aOUGrRI.jpg) Last pushes out with 1-0 at a point in the game where he should have been 2-1 (considering how late his 4th was, how early his 3rd was and how late he pushed out). ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/19atUVY.jpg) His decision to push out with 1-0 is already flawed.. but then he decides to push out over the bridges and expose his tanks with no mine support, his tanks are completely exposed. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/9c3z1qo.jpg) Stork trades out evenly in supply with Last (70 to 70 which obviously isnt good for Terran, he lost a ton of tanks) but he's taking his 5th at this point and already has all his gateways up. Last has to remake his tanks (which takes a long time) and he's reinforcing his army with weak upgrades. He should have been 2-1 when he pushed out and he should have been at least 3-1 by the time the later engagements happened. In any case after this exchange Stork has a huge lead, Last mined out his main and Stork was sitting on 5 bases. | ||
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arbiter_md
Moldova1219 Posts
Anyway, Stork just showed that a talent is for life! It's amazing how he wins the games with his strategic thinking. Only if he had a little better macro and multitasking, he would be unbeatable! | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
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JungleTerrain
Chile799 Posts
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arbiter_md
Moldova1219 Posts
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
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outscar
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Salbahe
Philippines18 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
As for the last game, wp by Stork. Despite losing his 2 nexi, he destroyed Last's army and rebuilt them right away. Last also never found that fourth base I believe so he might've thought it's 3 base vs 1 base at that point. From there, Stork took a great second engagement and thinned out Last's tank line and the rest was history with Stork having the base and eco advantage. | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5595 Posts
On September 12 2017 02:50 FlaShFTW wrote: Last made a critical error in his game vs ssak where he had an air force designed to stop ssak's air fleet of dropships and moved them south for whatever reason right as ssak moved in from the north to drop. Instant gg I thought he got bated by ssaks wraiths or something when i saw it. It must have been something like that. | ||
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ortseam
996 Posts
On September 12 2017 06:11 arbiter_md wrote: It's interesting that before that battle on the bridge last was 1-0 in upgrades, while immediately after the battle finished he was 2-1 already. The upgrades kicked while the battle was going. Had he crossed the bridge 10 seconds later, we might have seen a different outcome there. This. 2-1 finished immediately after the battle. Game winning decision from Stork right there imo, very few Protoss attack before the full mech army has moved out of the bridge, but Stork attacked right before Last could lay mines and 2-1 kicked in, catching him offguard . I also like that Stork was using shuttle in every engagement, for dt/zealot drops or to get the storms out safely | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10158 Posts
On September 12 2017 07:42 Elroi wrote: I thought he got bated by ssaks wraiths or something when i saw it. It must have been something like that. he shouldve been more diligent with scans though. we saw in the same position when ssak went for the same doom drop vs flash, flash was scanning everywhere for the dropships | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2270 Posts
PvT clinic. | ||
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Headshot
United States1656 Posts
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usopsama
6502 Posts
Just watched game 4. It is brutal as fuck. | ||
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reincremate
China2213 Posts
edit: but then again any successful storms in PvT can be considered Jangbi-esque. Great game anyhow. | ||
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Gonozal
Germany320 Posts
Is there any way to donate for ASL/Tastosis? Seems to be just fair. Cheers, | ||
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On September 12 2017 07:40 duke91 wrote: No idea about TvP. From a TvZ standpoint, how far behind was stork? Like losing the third and then 20 marines camping in front of the FE behind? I'm not sure the two are analogous. Stork lost a ton of economy, but he was able to clean up that first push quite efficiently and the mech army takes a long time to rebuild, so he was able to get his economy back up while still keeping up in supply. I guess you could liken it to Terran suiciding 4 groups of bio to kill your natural, but you still have 10 lurkers lol. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4128 Posts
On September 12 2017 05:26 TT1 wrote: This is what I'm talking about: Last pushes out with 1-0 at a point in the game where he should have been 2-1 (considering how late his 4th was, how early his 3rd was and how late he pushed out). His decision to push out with 1-0 is already flawed.. but then he decides to push out over the bridges and expose his tanks with no mine support, his tanks are completely exposed. Stork trades out evenly in supply with Last (70 to 70 which obviously isnt good for Terran, he lost a ton of tanks) but he's taking his 5th at this point and already has all his gateways up. Last has to remake his tanks (which takes a long time) and he's reinforcing his army with weak upgrades. He should have been 2-1 when he pushed out and he should have been at least 3-1 by the time the later engagements happened. In any case after this exchange Stork has a huge lead, Last mined out his main and Stork was sitting on 5 bases. Ah that's what you are referring to. I think Last was just trying to set up outside the bridge and not moving out which is quite common for TvP in FS. The main reason behind doing that is if you camp too long in base P can just form a concave outside the bridge and it is very hard to break out. But yeah he probably should have waited a while more to secure that position but definitely good attack from Stork. | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
I can't understand why Last played so uncharacteristically weak in both his games? What's up with weak 1-0 upgrades. Very strange. Can someone knowledgeable comment on his decision making? On the other hand two last engagements were state-of-the-art PvT from Stork. | ||
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epicdoom
United States489 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28667 Posts
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epicdoom
United States489 Posts
On September 13 2017 08:09 Liquid`Drone wrote: that's largely a fuckup from last, then. It's like a protoss attacking into 30 lings with 10 zealots 7 seconds before +1 is done. I think fuckup might be too harsh. Not to sound cliche but this really shows what a game of inches brood war can be. That engage itself was about 6-8 seconds, which means that Last was 8 seconds away from 2-1 and was just edging knowing it was about done. But I guess its these decisions that separate great from bonjwa. | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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Ota Solgryn
Denmark2011 Posts
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Starecat
938 Posts
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geod
Vietnam450 Posts
On September 14 2017 15:33 Ota Solgryn wrote: Storks mine clearing and observer control was one crazy thing about this game as well I think. Stork lost so few units to mines which makes it sooo much harder for terran to win. Stork played a crazy mid/end game. He is known for his "observer control" indeed :D | ||
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Barneyk
Sweden305 Posts
I am really impressed with sSak over the past couple of years, I have always dismissed him as a mediocre player at best because that is how I remember him from the pro days. But he has stayed active throughout the amateur era and has shown some great play. I should've stopped dismissing him by now... | ||
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c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
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RWLabs
Korea (South)273 Posts
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Starecat
938 Posts
On September 16 2017 07:01 Starecat wrote: What's up with the clip that shows TBLS and has bleeping during the adds? No one? | ||
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