On June 06 2017 20:33 RKC wrote: So just out of curiosity (and to slightly sidetrack): which would you consider as the Top 3 best BW Starleague finals?
In terms of gameplay quality and competitiveness between both players?
(And while you're at it, you could list the Top 3 worst too!)
On June 06 2017 20:33 RKC wrote: So just out of curiosity (and to slightly sidetrack): which would you consider as the Top 3 best BW Starleague finals?
In terms of gameplay quality and competitiveness between both players?
(And while you're at it, you could list the Top 3 worst too!)
1. Bacchus 2010 OSL Finals - FanTaSy vs Stork
Rushed home to see this. Finally, we can get a championship after like 2 years, I thought. Then Stork got raped helplessly by freakin vultures 3-0.
Edit - JangBi vs FanTaSy Jin Air (sweet revenge too)
On June 06 2017 20:33 RKC wrote: So just out of curiosity (and to slightly sidetrack): which would you consider as the Top 3 best BW Starleague finals?
In terms of gameplay quality and competitiveness between both players?
(And while you're at it, you could list the Top 3 worst too!)
For me it is definitely Fantasy vs Jangbi OSL Finals. The pure quintessence of Brood War:
2. EVER2004 OSL 2004 iloveoov - BoxeR 3-2 (Best friendship match ever) 3. EVER2005 OSL 2005 July - Goodfriend 3-2 (game 5 July are you kidding me? Granted GF choked there so #3 only)
On June 05 2017 18:48 czechue wrote: Watching some of Flash's streams before finals I felt like there is no chance any Zerg can win bo5 with him right now...
Late years, in KeSPA times it was always formula like:
A Tosses <= A Zergs <<<< Flash >= ( S Tosses / Fantasy) >= JD / Effort > A Zergs >= A Tosses
During Fanta 's form picks it would even be Flash =< Fanta, but unfortunately he's in the army now...
You must've missed Flash's games vs Effort then :p. Effort beat him 3-2. Could've even been a 3-1 had Effort not blown the lead in one game.
That was the last time Effort actually was playing really well. After that he went back to being "just" good. And Effort won that series using early aggression, but since then Flash got way better dealing with such plays.
Zero and Hydra were promising Zerg players towards the end of BW; I wonder what happened to them.
Sorry, are you referring to the OSL finals with the crazy comeback? You seem like you're talking about something that happened a long time ago. But I was actually talking about a set they had on stream just a couple of days ago. If you're interested, you can catch it here.
EffOrt winning a single set from Flash doesn't mean anything, especially when he has a losing record against Flash afaik and he also can't play as well on stage either. Thanks for the link, will watch regardless.
In the current scene EffOrt is actually the Zerg with the best winrate against Flash. I think his problem outside of a team environment is consistency in broadcast games.
And to anyone hyping up ZerO, that's the player who didn't practice for MSL finals against Flash because he believed he couldn't win regardless. Mindset's one of the most important qualities to define player skill.
The real problem I have with BW 2011 and onwards is that Flash, unarguably the most talented player of all time is the only bonjwa in the game's history to have been aided by map rotations, almost as if KEspA (which was heavily criticized by players for putting marketing and storylines over the game's health) wanted a new bonjwa. Outsider and Heartbreak Ridge came off worse after their remakes, Neo Neo Python overtook Destination for most games played on in history, whoever okayed the double bridges on Circus Breaker should be crucified. Just bring back Bloodbath if you want the map pool to be bullshit. SaviOr was playing on Monty Hall and Hitchhiker. /rant
Making the map pool T-favoured might actually be a disservice to Flash considering his ridiculous win rate on maps considered to be Terran graveyards. Well, except for Battle Royale...
On June 10 2017 16:31 Lebesgue wrote: Right, everyone knows that Flash became dominant only because of the maps
That's why I said *after* he became dominant. He was already leagues on top of everyone else when CB Match Point and La Mancha got added to the map pool.
It's a reasonable point, but not entirely fair because Flash's innovations are a big part of why those maps became more T favored. With an assist from Fantasy and late game mech TvZ.
Flash turned map splitting / abusing 2 player maps into an art especially in TvP. Similarly he broke TvP, turning big 4 player maps which used to be really hard for TvP, into playable maps with his style.
Brood War has always been balanced by using the "hard" matchup (ZvT, TvP, PvZ) as much as anything. By screwing that up with his brilliance he made things look worse. The mapmakers were slow to adjust to this new reality - that a large four player map could be handled without too much trouble in TvP, and that it would be bad for ZvT (which used to be Z favored late game on a big map, but mech changed that).
Also, it's not like Terrans have been doing great as a whole. Back in the last few years of BW it was just Flash and Fantasy (while like 10 different Zergs and even random caliber Protoss like Movie made finals). Now it's Last and Flash with an occasional Sea but really that was just one good ASL run after the SSL era (before guys like Bisu and Effort had returned).
If anything Flash ruined BW for other Terrans. Without him (and to a lesser extent Fantasy) the story might be how weak T is and how maps need to be designed to make life easier for Terran. This is true if you remove the top players of any race but I think it's more true for Flash and Terran than any other player and their race.
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