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[ASL] Grand Finals: Flash vs Shine - Page 27

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Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
June 06 2017 00:14 GMT
#521
On June 06 2017 08:26 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2017 08:18 Lebesgue wrote:
On June 06 2017 07:37 Trillwill wrote:
On June 05 2017 18:48 czechue wrote:
Watching some of Flash's streams before finals I felt like there is no chance any Zerg can win bo5 with him right now...

Late years, in KeSPA times it was always formula like:

A Tosses <= A Zergs <<<< Flash >= ( S Tosses / Fantasy) >= JD / Effort > A Zergs >= A Tosses

During Fanta 's form picks it would even be Flash =< Fanta, but unfortunately he's in the army now...


You must've missed Flash's games vs Effort then :p. Effort beat him 3-2. Could've even been a 3-1 had Effort not blown the lead in one game.


That was the last time Effort actually was playing really well. After that he went back to being "just" good. And Effort won that series using early aggression, but since then Flash got way better dealing with such plays.

Zero and Hydra were promising Zerg players towards the end of BW; I wonder what happened to them.

Zero just went to military in May and Hydra got married and I think quit SCII. Not sure what he is doing now.


Thanks, good to know. But that's too bad. Zero was a great Zerg player and he could give Flash a good run for his money.
Trillwill
Profile Joined May 2017
18 Posts
June 06 2017 00:36 GMT
#522
On June 06 2017 08:18 Lebesgue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2017 07:37 Trillwill wrote:
On June 05 2017 18:48 czechue wrote:
Watching some of Flash's streams before finals I felt like there is no chance any Zerg can win bo5 with him right now...

Late years, in KeSPA times it was always formula like:

A Tosses <= A Zergs <<<< Flash >= ( S Tosses / Fantasy) >= JD / Effort > A Zergs >= A Tosses

During Fanta 's form picks it would even be Flash =< Fanta, but unfortunately he's in the army now...


You must've missed Flash's games vs Effort then :p. Effort beat him 3-2. Could've even been a 3-1 had Effort not blown the lead in one game.


That was the last time Effort actually was playing really well. After that he went back to being "just" good. And Effort won that series using early aggression, but since then Flash got way better dealing with such plays.

Zero and Hydra were promising Zerg players towards the end of BW; I wonder what happened to them.


Sorry, are you referring to the OSL finals with the crazy comeback? You seem like you're talking about something that happened a long time ago. But I was actually talking about a set they had on stream just a couple of days ago. If you're interested, you can catch it here.
Moopower
Profile Joined May 2017
128 Posts
June 06 2017 01:43 GMT
#523
On June 04 2017 22:27 Essbee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2017 22:09 GTR wrote:
next season it shall be the revenge of the jangbang.


That's what me and my wife are hoping for :D


I wish I had a girlfriend or future wife that would watch broodwar with me
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51684 Posts
June 06 2017 01:54 GMT
#524
if you want to watch a terrible finals go watch jaedong vs yellow[arnc] from the bacchus 2009 osl
Commentator
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-06 03:13:42
June 06 2017 03:12 GMT
#525
On June 06 2017 10:54 GTR wrote:
if you want to watch a terrible finals go watch jaedong vs yellow[arnc] from the bacchus 2009 osl

The Flash Stork(bacchus 2008?) finals were pretty much as one sided as this too'

July vs Best was what i was hoping for 2 cheese games into a macro game stomp in the last game
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
rockslave
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Brazil318 Posts
June 06 2017 03:38 GMT
#526
I was rooting for Shine, but Flash's play was just too perfect. So beautiful.
What qxc said.
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
June 06 2017 03:46 GMT
#527
On June 06 2017 09:36 Trillwill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2017 08:18 Lebesgue wrote:
On June 06 2017 07:37 Trillwill wrote:
On June 05 2017 18:48 czechue wrote:
Watching some of Flash's streams before finals I felt like there is no chance any Zerg can win bo5 with him right now...

Late years, in KeSPA times it was always formula like:

A Tosses <= A Zergs <<<< Flash >= ( S Tosses / Fantasy) >= JD / Effort > A Zergs >= A Tosses

During Fanta 's form picks it would even be Flash =< Fanta, but unfortunately he's in the army now...


You must've missed Flash's games vs Effort then :p. Effort beat him 3-2. Could've even been a 3-1 had Effort not blown the lead in one game.


That was the last time Effort actually was playing really well. After that he went back to being "just" good. And Effort won that series using early aggression, but since then Flash got way better dealing with such plays.

Zero and Hydra were promising Zerg players towards the end of BW; I wonder what happened to them.


Sorry, are you referring to the OSL finals with the crazy comeback? You seem like you're talking about something that happened a long time ago. But I was actually talking about a set they had on stream just a couple of days ago. If you're interested, you can catch it here.


OK, I got confused. I thought you were referring to OSL. The first post was referring to the KeSPA period and when I saw you mention 3:2 I automatically assumed that you mean OSL back then. Also because there was a period just before that OSL were Effort was playing like a beast, but already by the time of the final he seemed below his peak.

I will check the link you provided. Thanks!
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-06 03:48:48
June 06 2017 03:48 GMT
#528
On June 06 2017 09:36 Trillwill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2017 08:18 Lebesgue wrote:
On June 06 2017 07:37 Trillwill wrote:
On June 05 2017 18:48 czechue wrote:
Watching some of Flash's streams before finals I felt like there is no chance any Zerg can win bo5 with him right now...

Late years, in KeSPA times it was always formula like:

A Tosses <= A Zergs <<<< Flash >= ( S Tosses / Fantasy) >= JD / Effort > A Zergs >= A Tosses

During Fanta 's form picks it would even be Flash =< Fanta, but unfortunately he's in the army now...


You must've missed Flash's games vs Effort then :p. Effort beat him 3-2. Could've even been a 3-1 had Effort not blown the lead in one game.


That was the last time Effort actually was playing really well. After that he went back to being "just" good. And Effort won that series using early aggression, but since then Flash got way better dealing with such plays.

Zero and Hydra were promising Zerg players towards the end of BW; I wonder what happened to them.


Sorry, are you referring to the OSL finals with the crazy comeback? You seem like you're talking about something that happened a long time ago. But I was actually talking about a set they had on stream just a couple of days ago. If you're interested, you can catch it here.

EffOrt winning a single set from Flash doesn't mean anything, especially when he has a losing record against Flash afaik and he also can't play as well on stage either. Thanks for the link, will watch regardless.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
fanta[Rn]
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Japan2465 Posts
June 06 2017 04:24 GMT
#529
On June 04 2017 22:27 Essbee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2017 22:09 GTR wrote:
next season it shall be the revenge of the jangbang.


That's what me and my wife are hoping for :D


Was nice meeting you and your wife at the station/train. Overheard you talking game with her :D
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
June 06 2017 05:50 GMT
#530
On June 05 2017 00:43 Cryoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 00:39 Lazare1969 wrote:
>check afreeca youtube channel to watch the series
>video thumbnail has Flash holding a trophy with his ASL jacket on

Well at least that saved me two hours.

LMAO. Earlier this season they used to use the same non-spoiling thumbnail for all the matches which was very nice for this reason. Strange that they changed it again.

Maybe they thought no one would think it's an actual spoiler because it's divinely predestined.
noname_
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
468 Posts
June 06 2017 06:32 GMT
#531
I genuinely thought and felt like Shine is destined to win after some impressive ro8 and ro4 appearance.
The Intrepid
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada205 Posts
June 06 2017 07:15 GMT
#532
Bisu vs FlaSh would have been such a great final ...
Ontological imperative holds that my losses occurred only in imagination.
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-06 08:55:09
June 06 2017 08:48 GMT
#533
On June 06 2017 09:14 Lebesgue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2017 08:26 BigFan wrote:
On June 06 2017 08:18 Lebesgue wrote:
On June 06 2017 07:37 Trillwill wrote:
On June 05 2017 18:48 czechue wrote:
Watching some of Flash's streams before finals I felt like there is no chance any Zerg can win bo5 with him right now...

Late years, in KeSPA times it was always formula like:

A Tosses <= A Zergs <<<< Flash >= ( S Tosses / Fantasy) >= JD / Effort > A Zergs >= A Tosses

During Fanta 's form picks it would even be Flash =< Fanta, but unfortunately he's in the army now...


You must've missed Flash's games vs Effort then :p. Effort beat him 3-2. Could've even been a 3-1 had Effort not blown the lead in one game.


That was the last time Effort actually was playing really well. After that he went back to being "just" good. And Effort won that series using early aggression, but since then Flash got way better dealing with such plays.

Zero and Hydra were promising Zerg players towards the end of BW; I wonder what happened to them.

Zero just went to military in May and Hydra got married and I think quit SCII. Not sure what he is doing now.


Thanks, good to know. But that's too bad. Zero was a great Zerg player and he could give Flash a good run for his money.

I'm sorry to be negative but no...Zero would be absolutely destroyed. I say this because at no point in brood war could Zero have hoped to beat flash in a best of five.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
June 06 2017 08:50 GMT
#534
On June 06 2017 16:15 The Intrepid wrote:
Bisu vs FlaSh would have been such a great final ...

There's no reason to believe given Bisu's performance that he would not also have lost 3-0. Especially how terrible he looked vs Shine. Please set your fanboyism aside for a bit.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-06 08:52:54
June 06 2017 08:52 GMT
#535
On June 06 2017 06:37 Arkaim wrote:
This Final really killed me. I was hoping for a storybook ending where hopes and dreams were possible and could be achieved. That's what I really needed. Instead this is still the time of cold hard reality. And that's what Flash is.

Please change your race icon (it's terran right now)
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
June 06 2017 10:23 GMT
#536
I couldn't watch live and read comments about Flash stomping Shine. I thought the games would be disappointing. But I wasn't disappointed at all. Great games and 3:0 sounds more one sided than it felt. Shine was in those games. Really entertaining.

Flash smashing drop ships down Shines throat to defuse the lurker fire and Shines innovative tactics. It’s incredible we can be seeing new strategies and new styles of playing in 2017. Broodwar has an infinite capacity to surprise.
Broodwar4lyf
Profile Blog Joined February 2016
304 Posts
June 06 2017 10:37 GMT
#537
I hope JD Effort Soulkey and the top Zergs see this as a blueprint playing Zerg. Only they have higher level mechanics to do transitions better than Shine has
https://cinesnipe.com
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-06 10:40:58
June 06 2017 10:39 GMT
#538
On June 06 2017 19:37 Broodwar4lyf wrote:
I hope JD Effort Soulkey and the top Zergs see this as a blueprint playing Zerg. Only they have higher level mechanics to do transitions better than Shine has
Maybe not a blueprint. But Shines showing there are more options and making Zerg less predictable has to be a good thing.

I can see Flashs smashing through the front with drops becoming more common too. That bodes badly for Z.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-06 11:34:25
June 06 2017 11:33 GMT
#539
So just out of curiosity (and to slightly sidetrack): which would you consider as the Top 3 best BW Starleague finals?

In terms of gameplay quality and competitiveness between both players?

(And while you're at it, you could list the Top 3 worst too!)
gg no re thx
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11502 Posts
June 06 2017 12:06 GMT
#540
Now that I think about it, I've seen that dropship maneuver a few rare times on stream before but never in a real, offline game.
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
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