Hey guys! You may know me from SC2 as one of the owners of PSISTORM Gaming, or maybe from my weekly online cup the "Filthy NA Cup Weekly".
I'm excited to announce a new online tournament series for Brood War (and later, Remastered) players, the Filthy BW Cup Weekly!
This is a $100 prize pool weekly online tournament, open to all. First place every week will receive $50, with $20 going to second place, and $15 going to third and fourth place.
Where: The chat channel is "filthycup". All matches will be attempted to be played on 1.18, on US-West.
Format: The format is bo3. Single Elimination.
Maps: Map pool is: Fighting Spirit, Outsider, Camelot, Blue Storm, Neo Jade
Vetoes Vetoes work as below: A player bans 1 map, then B player bans 2, then A bans 1, then last map is map to be played on. Loser of first map picks 2nd map after winner bans 1. Salty runbacks are allowed (Salty Runback: A loser can re-pick a map they have lost on, however if a player has won on that map, they cannot pick it again).
Results: Report results after each match, both winner & loser should confirm on Smash.gg. Replays must be submitted after the series is complete by the winner of the series! Submitting a replay will be done by emailing to schamtoo@gmail.com with subject "Filthy BW Cup" and which match is being submitted.
Matcherino: Speaking of Matcherino - you guys can contribute (for FREE) to the prize pool! Just head to the link above, hit donate, and use the code FILTHYBW12 (THIS CODE IS NOT YET UP/WORKING) to add $1 to the prize pool, at no cost to you Or if you want you can kick in more - that's always cool too!
On April 04 2017 14:41 Cryoc wrote: Nice! I assume, this is continuation of the "Have At You!" tours?
It is actually a totally separate event/series - I just happen to also be friends with Schamtoo and so got him to help out (and stole a lot of the work he's already done to inform how I run this).
Not gonna lie, I dont know jack about BW maps. If left to my own devices, I'd say all maps should be played on BGH So I am taking input from my high level BW friends to guide my decisions here.
That in mind, dont assume that the maps you see this week will be the maps you see every week! I fully expect to change them up as we go and learn more about what works well and what doesnt.
On April 04 2017 14:41 Cryoc wrote: Nice! I assume, this is continuation of the "Have At You!" tours?
It is actually a totally separate event/series - I just happen to also be friends with Schamtoo and so got him to help out (and stole a lot of the work he's already done to inform how I run this).
On April 05 2017 06:18 Poly_Optimize wrote: Very cool news!! I know the what/why/when/where/how but not sure about the who. Are koreans allowed in this? :p
On April 05 2017 07:42 GrimscII wrote: Don't you fear about the skill level ? I mean there isn't any pro scene in foreign BW...
... but there is!
Seriouly ? Can you link me a list of names, pro teams and content creator from the foreign scene ? I never heard of them, I never played BW, I want to know what the real potential of BW remastered !!
On April 05 2017 07:42 GrimscII wrote: Don't you fear about the skill level ? I mean there isn't any pro scene in foreign BW...
... but there is!
Seriouly ? Can you link me a list of names, pro teams and content creator from the foreign scene ? I never heard of them, I never played BW, I want to know what the real potential of BW remastered !!
On April 05 2017 07:42 GrimscII wrote: Don't you fear about the skill level ? I mean there isn't any pro scene in foreign BW...
... but there is!
Seriouly ? Can you link me a list of names, pro teams and content creator from the foreign scene ? I never heard of them, I never played BW, I want to know what the real potential of BW remastered !!
Thanks !!
You mad?
No sorry if it appears like that I just want to learn more ! i mean for me there's no pro scene in foreign BW ! But this guy tells me there is. I'm eager to see it !! That's all !
On April 05 2017 07:42 GrimscII wrote: Don't you fear about the skill level ? I mean there isn't any pro scene in foreign BW...
... but there is!
Seriouly ? Can you link me a list of names, pro teams and content creator from the foreign scene ? I never heard of them, I never played BW, I want to know what the real potential of BW remastered !!
Thanks !!
You mad?
No sorry if it appears like that I just want to learn more ! i mean for me there's no pro scene in foreign BW ! But this guy tells me there is. I'm eager to see it !! That's all !
There is no such thing as foreign 'pro scene' in BW - generally because there aren't so many tournaments that can fund players life. However there are tons of people willing to contribute. Most of the known SC2 people are coming from BW, and will go back as well. (e.g. have you heard of day9 tasteless or artosis?) Check out the BroodWar section in TL.net - look back and see since when there are threads and information...
Also there are thousands of records lost in sites such as gg.net. wgtour, pgtour and etc
On April 05 2017 07:42 GrimscII wrote: Don't you fear about the skill level ? I mean there isn't any pro scene in foreign BW...
... but there is!
Seriouly ? Can you link me a list of names, pro teams and content creator from the foreign scene ? I never heard of them, I never played BW, I want to know what the real potential of BW remastered !!
Thanks !!
You mad?
No sorry if it appears like that I just want to learn more ! i mean for me there's no pro scene in foreign BW ! But this guy tells me there is. I'm eager to see it !! That's all !
There is no such thing as foreign 'pro scene' in BW - generally because there aren't so many tournaments that can fund players life. However there are tons of people willing to contribute. Most of the known SC2 people are coming from BW, and will go back as well. (e.g. have you heard of day9 tasteless or artosis?) Check out the BroodWar section in TL.net - look back and see since when there are threads and information...
Also there are thousands of records lost in sites such as gg.net. wgtour, pgtour and etc
Thanks a lot !! I know about Day9, Artosis and Tasteless ! They are going to make videos and streams. My first concern was about the skill level compare to Korean BW tournaments ! If you have no pro scene, no structure and no big tournament like Dreamhack/IEM, BW remastered isn't going to shine like in the past. Players need support to master such a skillful game. Young players need to be sure they can make a carrier of it if they want to commit.
On April 05 2017 07:42 GrimscII wrote: Don't you fear about the skill level ? I mean there isn't any pro scene in foreign BW...
... but there is!
Seriouly ? Can you link me a list of names, pro teams and content creator from the foreign scene ? I never heard of them, I never played BW, I want to know what the real potential of BW remastered !!
Thanks !!
You mad?
No sorry if it appears like that I just want to learn more ! i mean for me there's no pro scene in foreign BW ! But this guy tells me there is. I'm eager to see it !! That's all !
There is no such thing as foreign 'pro scene' in BW - generally because there aren't so many tournaments that can fund players life. However there are tons of people willing to contribute. Most of the known SC2 people are coming from BW, and will go back as well. (e.g. have you heard of day9 tasteless or artosis?) Check out the BroodWar section in TL.net - look back and see since when there are threads and information...
Also there are thousands of records lost in sites such as gg.net. wgtour, pgtour and etc
Thanks a lot !! I know about Day9, Artosis and Tasteless ! They are going to make videos and streams. My first concern was about the skill level compare to Korean BW tournaments ! If you have no pro scene, no structure and no big tournament like Dreamhack/IEM, BW remastered isn't going to shine like in the past. Players need support to master such a skillful game. Young players need to be sure they can make a carrier of it if they want to commit.
Well, this depends on the organizations such as ESL and what Blizzard intend to do out of SC:R. There weren't such tournaments in SC2 before the game appeared - so we'll see this autumn what is going on
On April 05 2017 07:42 GrimscII wrote: Don't you fear about the skill level ? I mean there isn't any pro scene in foreign BW...
... but there is!
Seriouly ? Can you link me a list of names, pro teams and content creator from the foreign scene ? I never heard of them, I never played BW, I want to know what the real potential of BW remastered !!
Thanks !!
You mad?
No sorry if it appears like that I just want to learn more ! i mean for me there's no pro scene in foreign BW ! But this guy tells me there is. I'm eager to see it !! That's all !
There is no such thing as foreign 'pro scene' in BW - generally because there aren't so many tournaments that can fund players life. However there are tons of people willing to contribute. Most of the known SC2 people are coming from BW, and will go back as well. (e.g. have you heard of day9 tasteless or artosis?) Check out the BroodWar section in TL.net - look back and see since when there are threads and information...
Also there are thousands of records lost in sites such as gg.net. wgtour, pgtour and etc
Thanks a lot !! I know about Day9, Artosis and Tasteless ! They are going to make videos and streams. My first concern was about the skill level compare to Korean BW tournaments ! If you have no pro scene, no structure and no big tournament like Dreamhack/IEM, BW remastered isn't going to shine like in the past. Players need support to master such a skillful game. Young players need to be sure they can make a carrier of it if they want to commit.
Well, this depends on the organizations such as ESL and what Blizzard intend to do out of SC:R. There weren't such tournaments in SC2 before the game appeared - so we'll see this autumn what is going on
On April 05 2017 07:42 GrimscII wrote: Don't you fear about the skill level ? I mean there isn't any pro scene in foreign BW...
... but there is!
Seriouly ? Can you link me a list of names, pro teams and content creator from the foreign scene ? I never heard of them, I never played BW, I want to know what the real potential of BW remastered !!
Thanks !!
You mad?
No sorry if it appears like that I just want to learn more ! i mean for me there's no pro scene in foreign BW ! But this guy tells me there is. I'm eager to see it !! That's all !
There is no such thing as foreign 'pro scene' in BW - generally because there aren't so many tournaments that can fund players life. However there are tons of people willing to contribute. Most of the known SC2 people are coming from BW, and will go back as well. (e.g. have you heard of day9 tasteless or artosis?) Check out the BroodWar section in TL.net - look back and see since when there are threads and information...
Also there are thousands of records lost in sites such as gg.net. wgtour, pgtour and etc
Thanks a lot !! I know about Day9, Artosis and Tasteless ! They are going to make videos and streams. My first concern was about the skill level compare to Korean BW tournaments ! If you have no pro scene, no structure and no big tournament like Dreamhack/IEM, BW remastered isn't going to shine like in the past. Players need support to master such a skillful game. Young players need to be sure they can make a carrier of it if they want to commit.
lvl of BW is kinda low in korea nowadays, so what you could expect from foreign scene, which was pretty small and like for 7-8 years completely absent?
On April 05 2017 07:42 GrimscII wrote: Don't you fear about the skill level ? I mean there isn't any pro scene in foreign BW...
... but there is!
Seriouly ? Can you link me a list of names, pro teams and content creator from the foreign scene ? I never heard of them, I never played BW, I want to know what the real potential of BW remastered !!
Thanks !!
You mad?
No sorry if it appears like that I just want to learn more ! i mean for me there's no pro scene in foreign BW ! But this guy tells me there is. I'm eager to see it !! That's all !
There is no such thing as foreign 'pro scene' in BW - generally because there aren't so many tournaments that can fund players life. However there are tons of people willing to contribute. Most of the known SC2 people are coming from BW, and will go back as well. (e.g. have you heard of day9 tasteless or artosis?) Check out the BroodWar section in TL.net - look back and see since when there are threads and information...
Also there are thousands of records lost in sites such as gg.net. wgtour, pgtour and etc
Thanks a lot !! I know about Day9, Artosis and Tasteless ! They are going to make videos and streams. My first concern was about the skill level compare to Korean BW tournaments ! If you have no pro scene, no structure and no big tournament like Dreamhack/IEM, BW remastered isn't going to shine like in the past. Players need support to master such a skillful game. Young players need to be sure they can make a carrier of it if they want to commit.
lvl of BW is kinda low in korea nowadays, so what you could expect from foreign scene, which was pretty small and like for 7-8 years completely absent?
Source this please. The level in Korea is really good right now and most foreign players A or higher are better then foreign players from 7-8 years ago. Please don't waste your time demeaning these players.
On April 05 2017 07:42 GrimscII wrote: Don't you fear about the skill level ? I mean there isn't any pro scene in foreign BW...
... but there is!
Seriouly ? Can you link me a list of names, pro teams and content creator from the foreign scene ? I never heard of them, I never played BW, I want to know what the real potential of BW remastered !!
Thanks !!
You mad?
No sorry if it appears like that I just want to learn more ! i mean for me there's no pro scene in foreign BW ! But this guy tells me there is. I'm eager to see it !! That's all !
There is no such thing as foreign 'pro scene' in BW - generally because there aren't so many tournaments that can fund players life. However there are tons of people willing to contribute. Most of the known SC2 people are coming from BW, and will go back as well. (e.g. have you heard of day9 tasteless or artosis?) Check out the BroodWar section in TL.net - look back and see since when there are threads and information...
Also there are thousands of records lost in sites such as gg.net. wgtour, pgtour and etc
Thanks a lot !! I know about Day9, Artosis and Tasteless ! They are going to make videos and streams. My first concern was about the skill level compare to Korean BW tournaments ! If you have no pro scene, no structure and no big tournament like Dreamhack/IEM, BW remastered isn't going to shine like in the past. Players need support to master such a skillful game. Young players need to be sure they can make a carrier of it if they want to commit.
lvl of BW is kinda low in korea nowadays, so what you could expect from foreign scene, which was pretty small and like for 7-8 years completely absent?
Source this please. The level in Korea is really good right now and most foreign players A or higher are better then foreign players from 7-8 years ago. Please don't waste your time demeaning these players.
The same answer can apply to you: Source this please ! In Korea it's kind of obvious the lvl is high, they love the game and they have major events. But how can you assess the lvl of the foreign scene without any foreign pro scene or any BW foreign e-sport ?
On April 05 2017 23:05 GrimscII wrote: The same answer can apply to you: Source this please ! In Korea it's kind of obvious the lvl is high, they love the game and they have major events. But how can you assess the lvl of the foreign scene without any foreign pro scene or any BW foreign e-sport ?
Source? Just watch TSL replays and compare to current top foreign BW streams.
On April 05 2017 23:05 GrimscII wrote:The same answer can apply to you: Source this please ! In Korea it's kind of obvious the lvl is high, they love the game and they have major events. But how can you assess the lvl of the foreign scene without any foreign pro scene or any BW foreign e-sport ?
I think that we can estimate the level of foreign players, by seeing how they rank on Fish, playing with Korean ex-pros and high level amateurs. Sziky and Trutacz have achieved B rank on Fish server, winning series vs ex-pros regularly. And this is the highest foreigners have ever got on Fish server, as far as I know. And C and even D ranks are nothing to laugh at, quite a few foreigners are on this level.
On April 05 2017 21:05 0mg_t1red wrote: lvl of BW is kinda low in korea nowadays, so what you could expect from foreign scene, which was pretty small and like for 7-8 years completely absent?
Foreign BW scene was not absent for 7-8 years. There have been plenty of tournaments since 2010. A ton of defiler cup tourneys, team leagues, nation leagues, Iccup starleagues, Team Liquid legacy cups, all the rank based tournaments on iccup etc.
Scene has been small, yes. But it has been there, surviving because passionate people kept organizing tournaments for everyone to enjoy.
But if you mean pro scene, then yes, we have not had that for a long time.
On April 06 2017 00:35 Cele wrote: sounds great. if you have any questions, need some information regarding general guidelines and support with Tours on ICCup, feel free to contact me.
Thanks! I am definitely leaning a lot on Schamtoo's experience so far with this, so all help is greatly appreciated
On April 05 2017 07:42 GrimscII wrote: Don't you fear about the skill level ? I mean there isn't any pro scene in foreign BW...
... but there is!
Seriouly ? Can you link me a list of names, pro teams and content creator from the foreign scene ? I never heard of them, I never played BW, I want to know what the real potential of BW remastered !!
Thanks !!
You mad?
No sorry if it appears like that I just want to learn more ! i mean for me there's no pro scene in foreign BW ! But this guy tells me there is. I'm eager to see it !! That's all !
There is no such thing as foreign 'pro scene' in BW - generally because there aren't so many tournaments that can fund players life. However there are tons of people willing to contribute. Most of the known SC2 people are coming from BW, and will go back as well. (e.g. have you heard of day9 tasteless or artosis?) Check out the BroodWar section in TL.net - look back and see since when there are threads and information...
Also there are thousands of records lost in sites such as gg.net. wgtour, pgtour and etc
Thanks a lot !! I know about Day9, Artosis and Tasteless ! They are going to make videos and streams. My first concern was about the skill level compare to Korean BW tournaments ! If you have no pro scene, no structure and no big tournament like Dreamhack/IEM, BW remastered isn't going to shine like in the past. Players need support to master such a skillful game. Young players need to be sure they can make a carrier of it if they want to commit.
lvl of BW is kinda low in korea nowadays, so what you could expect from foreign scene, which was pretty small and like for 7-8 years completely absent?
Source this please. The level in Korea is really good right now and most foreign players A or higher are better then foreign players from 7-8 years ago. Please don't waste your time demeaning these players.
The same answer can apply to you: Source this please ! In Korea it's kind of obvious the lvl is high, they love the game and they have major events. But how can you assess the lvl of the foreign scene without any foreign pro scene or any BW foreign e-sport ?
I cast 4 times a week including a completely foreign high level Starcraft tournament. I've casted every Korean major tournament for 4 years straight. Like others, I also have watched both pre and post 2010 replays of both foreigners and koreans. I am completely within my own right to speak about the scene.I don't need a source, I am the source.
edit: Please PM if you want to discuss this further. Let's not destroy the thread any further.
On April 06 2017 00:35 Cele wrote: sounds great. if you have any questions, need some information regarding general guidelines and support with Tours on ICCup, feel free to contact me.
Thanks! I am definitely leaning a lot on Schamtoo's experience so far with this, so all help is greatly appreciated
okay good. just shoot a pm whenever. Or feel free to add me on skype.
On April 05 2017 15:11 MrMischelito wrote: [quote] ... but there is!
Seriouly ? Can you link me a list of names, pro teams and content creator from the foreign scene ? I never heard of them, I never played BW, I want to know what the real potential of BW remastered !!
Thanks !!
You mad?
No sorry if it appears like that I just want to learn more ! i mean for me there's no pro scene in foreign BW ! But this guy tells me there is. I'm eager to see it !! That's all !
There is no such thing as foreign 'pro scene' in BW - generally because there aren't so many tournaments that can fund players life. However there are tons of people willing to contribute. Most of the known SC2 people are coming from BW, and will go back as well. (e.g. have you heard of day9 tasteless or artosis?) Check out the BroodWar section in TL.net - look back and see since when there are threads and information...
Also there are thousands of records lost in sites such as gg.net. wgtour, pgtour and etc
Thanks a lot !! I know about Day9, Artosis and Tasteless ! They are going to make videos and streams. My first concern was about the skill level compare to Korean BW tournaments ! If you have no pro scene, no structure and no big tournament like Dreamhack/IEM, BW remastered isn't going to shine like in the past. Players need support to master such a skillful game. Young players need to be sure they can make a carrier of it if they want to commit.
lvl of BW is kinda low in korea nowadays, so what you could expect from foreign scene, which was pretty small and like for 7-8 years completely absent?
Source this please. The level in Korea is really good right now and most foreign players A or higher are better then foreign players from 7-8 years ago. Please don't waste your time demeaning these players.
The same answer can apply to you: Source this please ! In Korea it's kind of obvious the lvl is high, they love the game and they have major events. But how can you assess the lvl of the foreign scene without any foreign pro scene or any BW foreign e-sport ?
I cast 4 times a week including a completely foreign high level Starcraft tournament. I've casted every Korean major tournament for 4 years straight. Like others, I also have watched both pre and post 2010 replays of both foreigners and koreans. I am completely within my own right to speak about the scene.I don't need a source, I am the source.
edit: Please PM if you want to discuss this further. Let's not destroy the thread any further.
On April 06 2017 00:35 Cele wrote: sounds great. if you have any questions, need some information regarding general guidelines and support with Tours on ICCup, feel free to contact me.
Thanks! I am definitely leaning a lot on Schamtoo's experience so far with this, so all help is greatly appreciated
okay good. just shoot a pm whenever. Or feel free to add me on skype.
Holy, that pwneage was something awesome to read haha.
On April 05 2017 07:42 GrimscII wrote: Don't you fear about the skill level ? I mean there isn't any pro scene in foreign BW...
... but there is!
Seriouly ? Can you link me a list of names, pro teams and content creator from the foreign scene ? I never heard of them, I never played BW, I want to know what the real potential of BW remastered !!
Thanks !!
You mad?
No sorry if it appears like that I just want to learn more ! i mean for me there's no pro scene in foreign BW ! But this guy tells me there is. I'm eager to see it !! That's all !
There is no such thing as foreign 'pro scene' in BW - generally because there aren't so many tournaments that can fund players life. However there are tons of people willing to contribute. Most of the known SC2 people are coming from BW, and will go back as well. (e.g. have you heard of day9 tasteless or artosis?) Check out the BroodWar section in TL.net - look back and see since when there are threads and information...
Also there are thousands of records lost in sites such as gg.net. wgtour, pgtour and etc
Thanks a lot !! I know about Day9, Artosis and Tasteless ! They are going to make videos and streams. My first concern was about the skill level compare to Korean BW tournaments ! If you have no pro scene, no structure and no big tournament like Dreamhack/IEM, BW remastered isn't going to shine like in the past. Players need support to master such a skillful game. Young players need to be sure they can make a carrier of it if they want to commit.
lvl of BW is kinda low in korea nowadays, so what you could expect from foreign scene, which was pretty small and like for 7-8 years completely absent?
Source this please. The level in Korea is really good right now and most foreign players A or higher are better then foreign players from 7-8 years ago. Please don't waste your time demeaning these players.
Well that's very speculative. I'm pretty sure players 7-8 years ago the best players in the foreign scene were much better. I mean, skill in general has risen, but the best BW players left for SC2.
IdrA, Nony, Mondragon, etc are sadly much better than anyone left today. Sziky was the only TSL level player left after switch, and he dominated.
80% Winrate after SC2 release, not to mention Sziky wasn't even one of the best Foreigners before SC2 switch, had IdrA been playing in the same field as Sziky he could have been undefeated.
I'd say the skill level of the best players is quite a bit lower, but the overall skill level is probably a lot higher since there is fewer new players, but at the same time the best players are no longer playing.
U're forgetting about 1 factor: some players from the past couldn't get into TSL because they were not mature enough as in they couldn't understand the game in the bigger picture. To prove my point, we would have to see the age of, let's say, TOP 16 of TSL from back then to verify wheter it's true or not.
It's true that foreign top players are way better now than top players in the past. However, sadly, it is only because of Korean scene being nowadays wide open to everyone. I mean especially FPP streams, where someone with enough time and willingness but not necessarily responsive brain can copy not only builds, but even their mechanics. Regrettably, times of imaginative foreign players, like Blackman, Mondragon, Draco and many others are far behind us.
Really excited that this is only a couple days away now!
Also happy to say that we now have some Matcherino coupon codes setup, so if you head to https://matcherino.com/b/tournaments/5686/ and click donate and use the code "FILTHYBW1" you can add $1 to the prize pool at no cost to yourself!
Btw if you allow koreans to play (which personally i dont think its a good idea, but thats your tournament), could you make it DE(double elimination, with losers bracket)?
Just out of curiosity... what do you think 12:00 pm PDT means?
I think it's better to use noon/midnight instead of 12 PM/AM as its interpreted meaning very much depends on the geographical location of a person and their local conventions.
For me personally 12 PM (post meridiem, post midday) is midnight which by extension means that 12 AM has to be noon.
On April 07 2017 23:15 FilthyRake wrote: Really excited that this is only a couple days away now!
Also happy to say that we now have some Matcherino coupon codes setup, so if you head to https://matcherino.com/b/tournaments/5686/ and click donate and use the code "FILTHYBW1" you can add $1 to the prize pool at no cost to yourself!
You should post a thread about this so everyone can donate. Just donated!
I don't find leave tour button anywhere. You can take me off tour, just tried playing and is impossible in this hungover xd i'll just spectate. Glgl all~
On April 10 2017 02:27 2Pacalypse- wrote: Bonyth vs Sziky first round? ^^
Thats pretty unlucky for the tournament as a whole
Nvm, the bracket changed?
Suggestion to the smash.gg developers: - link to the bracket is ridiculously hard to find. That should be plastered on the front page and centered. - make the current status of the tournament clear
On April 07 2017 23:37 trutaCz wrote: Btw if you allow koreans to play (which personally i dont think its a good idea, but thats your tournament), could you make it DE(double elimination, with losers bracket)?
Since it seems that they're allowed admins should promote the tournament for koreans too, so there would be competition. Right now theres just Scan.
it's week 1 I'm gonna be happy if the event *happens* today lol. Once we figure out all the processes a bit more for BW, and get everything more streamlined, we will hopefully make these issues a little better
On April 07 2017 23:37 trutaCz wrote: Btw if you allow koreans to play (which personally i dont think its a good idea, but thats your tournament), could you make it DE(double elimination, with losers bracket)?
Since it seems that they're allowed admins should promote the tournament for koreans too, so there would be competition. Right now theres just Scan.
What competition? U want to watch korean B fish rank players against foreigners?
On April 07 2017 23:37 trutaCz wrote: Btw if you allow koreans to play (which personally i dont think its a good idea, but thats your tournament), could you make it DE(double elimination, with losers bracket)?
Since it seems that they're allowed admins should promote the tournament for koreans too, so there would be competition. Right now theres just Scan.
What competition? U want to watch korean B fish rank players against foreigners?
No tbh I would like this tournament to be limited to foreigners. But since koreans are allowed too I would like to see other koreans besides Scan. I don't like to know who is going to win before the tournament has even started...
probably start about 2 hours after the event start (since casting from replays)
Oh come on, average lenght of BW game is less than 15 minutes. Please don't wait more than one hour so europeans has a chance to see few games before clock is too much!
On April 07 2017 23:37 trutaCz wrote: Btw if you allow koreans to play (which personally i dont think its a good idea, but thats your tournament), could you make it DE(double elimination, with losers bracket)?
Since it seems that they're allowed admins should promote the tournament for koreans too, so there would be competition. Right now theres just Scan.
What competition? U want to watch korean B fish rank players against foreigners?
No tbh I would like this tournament to be limited to foreigners. But since koreans are allowed too I would like to see other koreans besides Scan. I don't like to know who is going to win before the tournament has even started...
probably start about 2 hours after the event start (since casting from replays)
Oh come on, average lenght of BW game is less than 15 minutes. Please don't wait more than one hour so europeans has a chance to see few games before clock is too much!
that statement only values if the game doesn't lag in my game.
I'm not a fan of knowing what's going on all the time. I like to be surprised. I find if I'm surprised, the viewer is too. Makes the excitement genuine :D
Makes sense though, in a way. It's been a while since we've seen some of them. It just probably means that some have been practising and others haven't.
It's sad we didn't see Sziky, its been a long time.
On April 12 2017 01:01 FilthyRake wrote: Glad everyone enjoyed it. I will hopefully get registration for week 2 setup/open tonight.
is a foreign only this time ?
I havent decided yet. Though I will point out that even with a korean entering, and everyone making a big fuss about how the tournament was already decided... he didnt win. Or even finish top 4.
On April 12 2017 01:01 FilthyRake wrote: Glad everyone enjoyed it. I will hopefully get registration for week 2 setup/open tonight.
is a foreign only this time ?
I havent decided yet. Though I will point out that even with a korean entering, and everyone making a big fuss about how the tournament was already decided... he didnt win. Or even finish top 4.
Just to preface this I'm not posting this with an opinion on if koreans should be allowed or not.
I watched the games Scan played live on his stream and his deciding matches were so incredibly lag-ridden that I don't think anyone who saw them can blame him for dropping that series. It was well played by trutacz and he made some very good decisions but I think mostly everyone here can vouch that Scan was and is a strong favorite to win subsequent Filthy BW cups. I don't personally think people should fuss about how an organizer runs a tournament, especially when they put up money for the players, but it is just inaccurate to use Scan's loss as some sort of validation.
Ooh Jade, nice touch . I'm looking forward to the next one I can't participate in this one due to homework . Expect me next tourny! Im gonna prepare for it!
On April 16 2017 05:22 LaStScan wrote: have commentators mentioned about lag in this match? because VODs won't show. Only people who watched on LIVE know this.
So I mean, I dont want to be an asshole here, but you chose to play in a tournament where the rules are pretty clear that its on ICCUP (which apparently is in Peru or Russia or something?).
Lag sucks, and it's a shame that you had a rough time with it. But if you're going to keep playing in these events, you really need to come to grips with it, and not bitch about it if you lose.
server location has nothing to do with lag,BW is p2p,Scan is from Korea so he lags.and he shouldnt be mentioning it,in the end in BW lag favours non zerg races -_-
On April 16 2017 05:22 LaStScan wrote: have commentators mentioned about lag in this match? because VODs won't show. Only people who watched on LIVE know this.
So I mean, I dont want to be an asshole here, but you chose to play in a tournament where the rules are pretty clear that its on ICCUP (which apparently is in Peru or Russia or something?).
Lag sucks, and it's a shame that you had a rough time with it. But if you're going to keep playing in these events, you really need to come to grips with it, and not bitch about it if you lose.
i'm not looking for an excuse, but if that's how you read, whatever. thx for hosting and keep the tournament up.
On April 16 2017 10:30 LaStScan wrote: i'm not looking for an excuse, but if that's how you read, whatever. thx for hosting and keep the tournament up.
If I'm just misunderstanding, then that's on me and I apologize. I really enjoyed having you play, and I hope we see you again.
I just wanted to congratulate you folks on a well run cast, and thank you for making this happen! I had fun watching the games I was able to tune in for. The observing was a little bit jerky at times, but that was the only thing I noticed.
Thanks for the Brood War content, everyone. I really appreciate it. <3
On April 21 2017 06:42 FilthyRake wrote: only 2 folks registered so far. RIP
Well i can only think of 2 reasons: - more people are gonna sign up when they are sure they can participate (so closer to tournament's start time) - allowing Koreans to play, discourages people who aspire for the win (me included)
On April 21 2017 06:42 FilthyRake wrote: only 2 folks registered so far. RIP
Well i can only think of 2 reasons: - more people are gonna sign up when they are sure they can participate (so closer to tournament's start time) - allowing Koreans to play, discourages people who aspire for the win (me included)
I mean, Scan lost in week 1, and we had a pretty decent finals with a non-Korean taking second in week 2.
All that said, if my including Koreans means people dont play... I guess I'll just stop running the events and put the money into my SC2 tournament series. This isnt a threat or anything, just not much point in continuing it if people arent gonna play in it :D (and no, I'm not going to change it to foreigner only)
If people are just procrastinating? No biggie. It would be a big change from the previous 2 weeks, but I can live with it.
On April 21 2017 06:42 FilthyRake wrote: only 2 folks registered so far. RIP
Well i can only think of 2 reasons: - more people are gonna sign up when they are sure they can participate (so closer to tournament's start time) - allowing Koreans to play, discourages people who aspire for the win (me included)
I mean, Scan lost in week 1, and we had a pretty decent finals with a non-Korean taking second in week 2.
All that said, if my including Koreans means people dont play... I guess I'll just stop running the events and put the money into my SC2 tournament series. This isnt a threat or anything, just not much point in continuing it if people arent gonna play in it :D (and no, I'm not going to change it to foreigner only)
If people are just procrastinating? No biggie. It would be a big change from the previous 2 weeks, but I can live with it.
word. you're making a very courageous statement into a very long drawn out debate. I like it.
Yes Scan lost to me in week 1. Yes the games were played in a huge lag Yes my score against Scan in non tournament games is about 10-421 Yes my score against Scan in tournament games goes like 2-222
They consider me one of the best foreigner players in past few years.
My statement about it is very similiar to yours. For me there is no point to play a tournament which i can't win.
On April 21 2017 23:04 trutaCz wrote: Yes Scan lost to me in week 1. Yes the games were played in a huge lag Yes my score against Scan in non tournament games is about 10-421 Yes my score against Scan in tournament games goes like 2-222
They consider me one of the best foreigner players in past few years.
My statement about it is very similiar to yours. For me there is no point to play a tournament which i can't win.
no offense trutacz, but consider this: if everybody thinks this way and even if scan is excluded, a lot of foreigners don't need to play tours anymore, yes? Mid and low level players play this tour too, simply for fun.
There are 2 motivation factors to play this tourney: 1. Prizes 2. Competition
And both are broken for foreigners since we have a huge difference between korean and foreigner esports level. And this is not a problem of us, or problem of Scan or korean esports at all. Its just a fact. We need to draw a line or do something else to merge 2 communities and skills.
Since that, you need to define a puprose of this tournament (at least for yourself) and follow it.
For example, u can promote tourney in korean scene too. It would be nice to see other progamers in this tourney too. That would be real competition. I bet we all will switch from players to observers immediatley or may be not. Who knows.
On April 21 2017 23:04 trutaCz wrote: Yes Scan lost to me in week 1. Yes the games were played in a huge lag Yes my score against Scan in non tournament games is about 10-421 Yes my score against Scan in tournament games goes like 2-222
They consider me one of the best foreigner players in past few years.
My statement about it is very similiar to yours. For me there is no point to play a tournament which i can't win.
no offense trutacz, but consider this: if everybody thinks this way and even if scan is excluded, a lot of foreigners don't need to play tours anymore, yes? Mid and low level players play this tour too, simply for fun.
I talked about myself, not about the foreign community. Every player can do whatever he wants, participate or not. And i have no idea why people think that it's about Scan. It's about the gap between korean and foreigner players/community.
If you want to put hours of practice just to be smashed by koreans players it's up to you. If you enjoy being smashed by korean players it's also up to you. Have fun
If for some reasons u dont have players in tournament, just go ahead on korean sites and promote tournament there, there is a lot of C +++ fish rank players, for sure some of them would be interested to compete.
Make a decision based on what the goal of the tournament is.
1. Stimulate the foreigner scene?
Then make it a foreigner only tournament.
2. Have the best players compete?
Advertise it to both foreigners and Koreans but this will inexorably lead to a Korean only event (with maybe a couple of relentless, naive foreigners competing for fun).
On April 22 2017 00:36 B-royal wrote: Make a decision based on what the goal of the tournament is.
1. Stimulate the foreigner scene?
Then make it a foreigner only tournament.
2. Have the best players compete?
Advertise it to both foreigners and Koreans but this will inexorably lead to a Korean only event (with maybe a couple of relentless, naive foreigners competing for fun).
Why will #2 lead to only Koreans competing? They can compete now and yet they don't even if it's 'easy cash'
On April 22 2017 00:36 B-royal wrote: Make a decision based on what the goal of the tournament is.
1. Stimulate the foreigner scene?
Then make it a foreigner only tournament.
2. Have the best players compete?
Advertise it to both foreigners and Koreans but this will inexorably lead to a Korean only event (with maybe a couple of relentless, naive foreigners competing for fun).
Why will #2 lead to only Koreans competing? They can compete now and yet they don't even if it's 'easy cash'
They probably don't know about it at all. Besides for any decent Korean player it's like to be an NBA player and participate in wheelchair basketball, but without wheelchair.
I don't understand Trutacz's argument... He plays a massive amount of games on fish vs highly skilled koreans, yet refuses to play against them in a tournament? I guess the practice games @ Fish Ladder is simply to be able to beat foreigners. I agree that it should be a foreigner only tourney. But if you already compete in ladder games against top Korean players.....
On April 22 2017 01:26 FilthyRake wrote: Coming from the SC2 scene.. this attitude just *blows my mind*.
do you host sc2 tourneys for foreigners,i thought this new tournament series was to support foreign bw,do u host tournament in a friendly time for us,if u check TLC cup threads u will see koreans are banned,simple cuz the gap lvl is huge,if you look TSL TSL2 koreans are banned.Do you have scan that awakes 4 am to play foreign friendly time tourney,if this tourney is global,i recommend make it korean friendly time im sure lot of korean semipros will gladly play it,and im sure we will obs alot of amazing games,i will gladly watch it,to be honest watching Scan scores so far im a bit confused,not long ago Scan was training for ASL he was winning top progamers in a daily basis,now he is playing here and dropping games vs foreigners ,even loss a bo3 vs trutacz.and i actually played 2 macro games with him,it was never the case before the tours,just check the bo9 showmatch eonzerg vs scan,there is a big problem Sonstar aswell,the guy lag like sh*t,and u guys are not doing anything about it.We cant compete with koreans.we cant play 12 -14 hours non stop everyday in BW.this is like me asking to be allowed to play in C- iccup leagues.
On April 22 2017 01:26 FilthyRake wrote: Coming from the SC2 scene.. this attitude just *blows my mind*.
Because of the fact that SC2 isn't that demanding on the mechanical part of the game, you will not have the discrepancies between Koreans and Foreigners like in BW. You can take a look on the Liquipedia pages of past WCG tournaments. From like 100 games, you will find 5 or maybe even 10 games that went in favor of foreigners at those events. And I can remember them very vividly. Like for example that epic ZvZ from Mondragon vs saviOr. And why can I remember it so vividly? Because it was such an exception that a foreigner beat a korean player. It was like an one in a hundred games that they could beat them.
And nowadays it is even more off than it was previously. Our best players can maybe reach C on FISH. That is not even close to the best korean players and even if they reach C, it mostly is by mass-gaming. Reaching a rank in BW by massgaming is literally like in early WoL where you'll get to GM by a 4-Gate. It is still impressive, but is not comparable to """"real"""" C rank koreans (not to take anything away from foreigners on FISH C rank, I really have the utmost respect for that).
What I try to communicate to you by those examples is that you simply CANNOT compare the SC2 scene to the BW scene. You had foreigners competing in the highest levels of korean SC2 from the get-go and still there is a huge gap in SC2 (see Scarlett in GSL) and you still have to take this gap and multiply it by 1000 to get to the level of discrepancy in BW.
If you want to continue to let korean players in, then try to contact Scan or someone who speaks korean and knows the korean BW scene. Ask him to post on the korean naver forums or something promoting your tournament. I am sure there will be 100 koreans signing up for it. Koreans mostly no one ever heard of, but still player in the C and B range (and hence much better than all the players in the previous iterations of the FilthyCup). Your tournament will produce high class games and you can have them casted by Schamtoo. But if you don't want mostly koreans in this tournament, you HAVE to disallow koreans. Scan will win against the top tier foreigners 80-85 times out of 100 games. It is simply too huge of a discrepancy.
On April 22 2017 01:26 FilthyRake wrote: Coming from the SC2 scene.. this attitude just *blows my mind*.
do you host sc2 tourneys for foreigners,i thought this new tournament series was to support foreign bw,do u host tournament in a friendly time for us,if u check TLC cup threads u will see koreans are banned,simple cuz the gap lvl is huge,if you look TSL TSL2 koreans are banned.Do you have scan that awakes 4 am to play foreign friendly time tourney,if this tourney is global,i recommend make it korean friendly time im sure lot of korean semipros will gladly play it,and im sure we will obs alot of amazing games,i will gladly watch it,to be honest watching Scan scores so far im a bit confused,not long ago Scan was training for ASL he was winning top progamers in a daily basis,now he is playing here and dropping games vs foreigners ,even loss a bo3 vs trutacz.and i actually played 2 macro games with him,it was never the case before the tours,just check the bo9 showmatch eonzerg vs scan,there is a big problem Sonstar aswell,the guy lag like sh*t,and u guys are not doing anything about it.We cant compete with koreans.we cant play 12 -14 hours non stop everyday in BW.this is like me asking to be allowed to play in C- iccup leagues.
where is the difference of time you can put in? Scan is no progamer who get's paid for playing and he doesn't get $$$ from streaming on afreeca? He is studying and can sacrifice enough time? Lucky for him i think, but nothing unfair in the grand scheme of things in that.
On April 22 2017 01:38 EndingLife wrote: I don't understand Trutacz's argument... He plays a massive amount of games on fish vs highly skilled koreans, yet refuses to play against them in a tournament? I guess the practice games @ Fish Ladder is simply to be able to beat foreigners. I agree that it should be a foreigner only tourney. But if you already compete in ladder games against top Korean players.....
Maybe i'm just bad? I'm sorry that i can't compete with korean top players.
On April 22 2017 01:38 EndingLife wrote: I don't understand Trutacz's argument... He plays a massive amount of games on fish vs highly skilled koreans, yet refuses to play against them in a tournament? I guess the practice games @ Fish Ladder is simply to be able to beat foreigners. I agree that it should be a foreigner only tourney. But if you already compete in ladder games against top Korean players.....
Maybe i'm just bad? I'm sorry that i can't compete with korean top players.
So even though you are practicing against Koreans you now boycott one of the few tournaments the scene has because you don't want to play against Koreans in a tournament for which no Korean has registered so far?
Edit: I can't imagine this is the reason for 35 out of 40 people to abstain a tournament or is this a action by the whole foreign semi-pro community?
I just don't see the benefit for the foreign 'pros' to rather let a tournament series die, than competing against (2) Koreans whom they train against anyways...
How exactly do you want us to compete with Koreans, when we have infinitely lower knowledge of the game, we've never been trained by real coaches, there isn't anyone above us who could tell us of a way to improve? WE ARE ON OUR OWN. Koreans, through years of their history, have opened a gap too big for us to be able to compete with them.
be happy that there is an tournament with a nice price pool and get some balls and play, these foreigners nowadays. Mondragon, Draco, Nony and Sen would be disappointed of u. Who cares if u lose to koreans just show the fans some good games.
edit: u play in most of the evenings in ladder anyway, so just fking play for entertainment
This is insane to me. You don't have to play in a tournament, but I guess at this point everyone needs to decide what their goals are.
However the people in this thread yelling at a TO who's putting their own $$$ on the line to GIVE TO WHOEVER WINS... how entitled can you be? "You need to give me your money, not these people." Da hell?
I'm making a video about this tonight, since I help run this tournament and Have At You! I'll explain my stance on this, and I think filthy and i agree here.
On April 22 2017 04:04 SchAmToo wrote: This is insane to me. You don't have to play in a tournament, but I guess at this point everyone needs to decide what their goals are.
However the people in this thread yelling at a TO who's putting their own $$$ on the line to GIVE TO WHOEVER WINS... how entitled can you be? "You need to give me your money, not these people." Da hell?
I'm making a video about this tonight, since I help run this tournament and Have At You! I'll explain my stance on this, and I think filthy and i agree here.
Well but as a TO you have to decide whether you want to have a solid foreigner player base or a korean player base, at least in Broodwar. You simply cannot have a mixed tournament, because it is just not appealing to play in a tournament where you know Scan will win it anyways. Don't get me wrong. I like Scan and I sincerly hope he qualifies for one of the upcoming ASLs in the future, but there is just no grey in the black or white decission. Yes it is up to the tournament organizer if he wants to allow or disallow people from his or her tournament, but then at least if you decide to host it up for koreans as well, then be sure to have a lot of koreans in it. No one will complain, if this tournament is filled with "casual" korean C players, but then try to announce it to the korean society somehow. As of right now, you are kind of like this example: Adult professionally trained soccer/football team playing in a youth amateur league. There is no comparison and is just kind of boring. Yes you can say from an organizer or caster point of view "just train more LOL, stop crying and get gud", but it is not that easy. Try to get to B ranks on ICCup first before you tell anyone to "get good". Even getting to a point to be a top tier foreigner is incredibly hard and you guys try to say get on a level of korean professionals (Scan beating top tier korean pros on stream and trying to qualify for ASL makes him at least a semi-professional korean in my stance). That is just beyond any reasonable justification. You wouldn't go to a college basketball player and tell him "yo dude wtf go get on the level of NBA players", when an NBA team would destroy the college basketball league. Again, there is just no comparison and from the posts you and Filthy made, you show that you do not realize how much of a discrepancy there is.
So as already mentioned like 2 or 3 times in this thread, you either announce it to all korean players and make it a korean tournament basically or you exclude koreans totally from this tournament. There is no grey in here.
So as already mentioned like 2 or 3 times in this thread, you either announce it to all korean players and make it a korean tournament basically or you exclude koreans totally from this tournament. There is no grey in here.
Uh, actually I don't have to do either of those for Have At You!
So, there's that. I'll just let whoever finds out about it sign up. If you don't wanna play, then don't. I don't have to declare anything about my tournament.
So you basically ignore all the stuff I wrote before and just take my summarization of my post and throw it out of context so you can make a snappy and pert answer? Yes I know you aren't obliged to do anything, because you are the organizer, but you cannot come into another scene and be totally ignorant about the different circumstances of the scene. It might work in SC2, but that does not mean it will end up well in BW. In the end you want to have a proper tournament with good games and a nice cast, don't you? Why don't you at least try to comprehend the arguments top tier foreigners are making. Bonyth, eOnzerg, trutaCz and co are the people playing the amazing games that you cast pretty well (just as a side compliment ), why you do not at least consider their point of view. You don't have to worry about me, I am just some low level scrub, who plays just for fun, but there are people in this thread who have a lot of experience in playing koreans, who have the same oppinion as me.
This seems to be getting out of hand. It's the organizers choice to advertise their tournament as they wish. With that said, Schamtoo + FilthyRake are doing us a favor by hosting these tournaments for us to play in and watch. They advertised on TeamLiquid and said anyone can play in it... It's not their job to advertise in the Korean community. It's not Scan's job to advertise to the Korean community. They can run their tournament as they wish, and are going to do so. Thank you hosting the recent tournaments and giving us good quality games to watch
On April 22 2017 01:53 chrisolo wrote: [ f you want to continue to let korean players in, then try to contact Scan or someone who speaks korean and knows the korean BW scene. Ask him to post on the korean naver forums or something promoting your tournament.
You basically propose Scan to ask for other Koreans to stop him from getting free money.
The more and more I read the BW forums the more it feels like the foreign BW community will do whatever it takes to drive away everyone from the scene aside for the people that have been around since before 08. Hell you even go after people that were around back then (Day9) because they did the horrific injustice of liking other games.
My 2 cents, take whatever you can get with open arms. If Korean players win the tournament so what? Welcome to almost every eSport ever. LoL, SC2, BW, Heroes, etc....
You want a tournament where no Koreans are allowed? Great, go make your own circuit, there's nothing stopping you. But don't jump on the people actually putting the effort and money just because you can't beat Koreans. Be happy people are trying to work at all with the foreign community, because right now it's all charity, there's no real ROI to be had outside Korean BW.
So here's the deal. This weekend will proceed as normal. If the turnout is decent, I'll keep them going until it becomes otherwise.
If the turnout sucks, I'll end the tournament series. I'll be bummed about it, but I'll just take it as a sign that the thing I want to do isnt right for the BW community. No judgement in it, it just wont make sense for me to continue.
On April 22 2017 01:53 chrisolo wrote: [ f you want to continue to let korean players in, then try to contact Scan or someone who speaks korean and knows the korean BW scene. Ask him to post on the korean naver forums or something promoting your tournament.
You basically propose Scan to ask for other Koreans to stop him from getting free money.
Yes, because people are trying to make it look like someone like trutaCz wants to exclude Scan, so he can make easy money, when in fact there is already someone "making easy money". When Scan and the other koreans get excluded, I am 99,9999% sure we will have many different winners (Dewalt, Sziky, trutaCz, eOnzerg, some peruvians etc etc), whilst when Scan will compete he will win most of the tournaments. I know that Scan has no interest in advertising this tournament on korean websites, but he was the only one I know that knows english, korean and the korean BW scene to be able to advertise it somewhere on the korean pages. I am sure TL admins know other people which also are able to do so and I am sure they are willing to help.
On April 22 2017 04:51 EndingLife wrote: It's pretty embarrassing how the 'top foreigners' are representing us as a whole in this thread. You guys are good and all, and I love to watch your streams... but I can't wait for the 'old school gosu' players to return...
I dont think i represent anyone besides me in my posts... And what i see is attack on me that i play on fish server - "Why the fuck u complain, u play on korean server" Fish is open for everyone, go practice, get yourself better, then go and compete with koreans, show entertaiment, whatever. Good luck, im out of this topic
I hate that the foreign 'pros' would rather have no tournaments at all than tournaments with a good chance to win I will be seriously bummed out if people are boycotting this tournament because they don't want to play against Koreans and practise at the same time on fish. If you want to regionlock like sc2 then do it completely.
You know I'm a big BW fan and I'm not watching any other E-Sports, but our community always astounds me with their "I would rather suffer than adapt to anything" sentiment. I think it's dumb to let the 2 biggest tournaments of the foreign scene die because Koreans have a 60% winrate (of the tournaments) in them.
On April 22 2017 04:59 TheNewEra wrote: I hate that the foreign 'pros' would rather have no tournaments at all than tournaments with a good chance to win I will be seriously bummed out if people are boycotting this tournament because they don't want to play against Koreans and practise at the same time on fish. If you want to regionlock like sc2 then do it completely.
You know I'm a big BW fan and I'm not watching any other E-Sports, but our community always astounds me with their "I would rather suffer than adapt to anything" sentiment. I think it's dumb to let the 2 biggest tournaments of the foreign scene die because Koreans have a 60% winrate (of the tournaments) in them.
Small point of clarification: there's no such thing as a foreign pro, semi-pro or anything. Unlike Sc2, foreigners in BW are exclusive amateurs these days.
On April 22 2017 04:59 TheNewEra wrote: I hate that the foreign 'pros' would rather have no tournaments at all than tournaments with a good chance to win I will be seriously bummed out if people are boycotting this tournament because they don't want to play against Koreans and practise at the same time on fish. If you want to regionlock like sc2 then do it completely.
You know I'm a big BW fan and I'm not watching any other E-Sports, but our community always astounds me with their "I would rather suffer than adapt to anything" sentiment. I think it's dumb to let the 2 biggest tournaments of the foreign scene die because Koreans have a 60% winrate (of the tournaments) in them.
Small point of clarification: there's no such thing as a foreign pro, semi-pro or anything. Unlike Sc2, foreigners in BW are exclusive amateurs these days.
Yeah I know. I'm sorry. That's why I put the word 'pros' in brackets because I wouldn't know how to describe them else. Gonna be more careful the next time I write about them!
On April 22 2017 04:51 EndingLife wrote: It's pretty embarrassing how the 'top foreigners' are representing us as a whole in this thread. You guys are good and all, and I love to watch your streams... but I can't wait for the 'old school gosu' players to return...
I dont think i represent anyone besides me in my posts... And what i see is attack on me that i play on fish server - "Why the fuck u complain, u play on korean server" Fish is open for everyone, go practice, get yourself better, then go and compete with koreans, show entertaiment, whatever. Good luck, im out of this topic
I'm not attacking you or any of the other current top BW players. Almost all of the current good players play on fish and do well there, so why should they exclude Koreans in their tournament? Well, maybe besides LancerX who breaks even at 300-300 record. There are a lot more D rank foreigners on fish lately, some C and some have gotten B rank. I agree with you and think there should be foreigner only tournaments... But that's not the route the organizers are going for, and we have to respect that.
On April 22 2017 01:53 chrisolo wrote: [ f you want to continue to let korean players in, then try to contact Scan or someone who speaks korean and knows the korean BW scene. Ask him to post on the korean naver forums or something promoting your tournament.
You basically propose Scan to ask for other Koreans to stop him from getting free money.
Yes, because people are trying to make it look like someone like trutaCz wants to exclude Scan, so he can make easy money, when in fact there is already someone "making easy money". When Scan and the other koreans get excluded, I am 99,9999% sure we will have many different winners (Dewalt, Sziky, trutaCz, eOnzerg, some peruvians etc etc), whilst when Scan will compete he will win most of the tournaments. I know that Scan has no interest in advertising this tournament on korean websites, but he was the only one I know that knows english, korean and the korean BW scene to be able to advertise it somewhere on the korean pages. I am sure TL admins know other people which also are able to do so and I am sure they are willing to help.
classicyellow83 and K.H.J recently aggregated and posted tons of information on Korean bw scene from inside perspective. They are the obvious guys to ask, but the problem is, that no one actually wants to do it, foreign players are pussies, organizers consider that they are doing enough, watchers are too lazy.
Personally, I think, that it could be great for foreign scene to integrate somehow into top tier.
On April 22 2017 04:59 TheNewEra wrote: I hate that the foreign 'pros' would rather have no tournaments at all than tournaments with a good chance to win I will be seriously bummed out if people are boycotting this tournament because they don't want to play against Koreans and practise at the same time on fish. If you want to regionlock like sc2 then do it completely.
You know I'm a big BW fan and I'm not watching any other E-Sports, but our community always astounds me with their "I would rather suffer than adapt to anything" sentiment. I think it's dumb to let the 2 biggest tournaments of the foreign scene die because Koreans have a 60% winrate (of the tournaments) in them.
Small point of clarification: there's no such thing as a foreign pro, semi-pro or anything. Unlike Sc2, foreigners in BW are exclusive amateurs these days.
Yeah I know. I'm sorry. That's why I put the word 'pros' in brackets because I wouldn't know how to describe them else. Gonna be more careful the next time I write about them!
was like directed at the general public in this thread, not at you specifically. (;
In my personal opinion, i woulnt want this, or any tournament to be advertised to the Ks. Instead, i would want it to be a foreigner-tournament. Something where i can root for my favorite players, or the players that pour so much time into it like Trutaacz, Eon, Koget, Bonyth, Dewalt etc.I want to root and enjoy good games and in my personal opinion having Scan or Sonstar around is taking away from my personal fun (even though i have nothing vs Scan, in fact i donated and watch him - when no foreigner is live and i feel like watcing T).
In all honesty, there is a good reason why for example Scan wasnt allowed in previous tours. "Banning" someone is very serious offense and it probably wasnt taken lightly back then. So basicly, all we are doing it talking over the same that was talked over way back and decided, with good reason.
This is my personal opinion.
In the end, of course the tourney sponsor makes the choice, but he should also take note that he is hopefully doing the tour not for his own ego or PR or shit, but for the (foreigner) community since this is the one that held out with BW for years, when the game had no or barely any streamers or viewers.
On April 22 2017 04:51 EndingLife wrote: It's pretty embarrassing how the 'top foreigners' are representing us as a whole in this thread.
Agreed.
Some of the people that signed up for the previous tours got whooped by top foreigners much harder than those same top foreigners get whooped by Scan, but they still sign up anyway. Why? Because tournaments are not only about the money to them, or about "stimulating the foreign scene," or whatever. It's getting a chance to play with people who are better than you, Bo3, maybe ask a question or two, and then use the reps to improve, etc. Although BW is life, this is still a video game at the end of the day. Did you top foreigners get as good as you are by signing up only for tournaments that you can win money in?
Why do people feel entitled to winning money for being the big fish in a small pond, anyway? Don't just take your ball and go home because your chances of winning are low, because there are people in this tour and Have At You! who have ZERO percent chance of winning and still play. If everyone thought like you, then why even participate in tours with Sziky, or IdrA back in the day, etc.? I know I am regurgitating arguments from the embarrassment that was the TLC thread, so let me say it in my own words: if only the people who thought they could win a foreign tournament signed up for it, every tournament would have the same 5-10 people until they quit one by one. Thankfully there are plenty of people outside of the top foreigners who show interest in participating, win or lose.
At the end of the day, if that's not something you're interested in doing, that's your choice and I won't judge you for it. Everyone has a right to do as they please, and if that to you means not competing because you feel you can't win, then that's alright. But know that it is then you who is hurting the chances of the community having tournaments where players, especially foreign players, can win some money, play with each other on stream, be cast by commentators who have high production values and passion, make names for themselves and gain exposure through these broadcasts, which in turn might net you and the game more fans... Basically setting a poor precedent for future and rising players, as well as community organizers and figures alike. It is directly evident in what FilthyRake just said - who wants to put up $100 every week/every other week just to be told what to do, forced to uphold doctrines they don't believe, and deal with boycotts by the best players that normally sign up for this type of tour? I wouldn't keep doing it, and I don't think you would either.
It's not anyone's place to tell an organizer that they "have to pick" whether their tournaments are in support of the foreign community or will enforce a xenophobic divide between the communities.
On April 22 2017 04:51 EndingLife wrote: It's pretty embarrassing how the 'top foreigners' are representing us as a whole in this thread.
It's not anyone's place to tell an organizer that they "have to pick" whether their tournaments are in support of the foreign community or will enforce a xenophobic divide between the communities.
I feel like this is in response to me.
Maybe it came out the wrong way but I'm not forcing Filthyrake or Schamtoo to do anything. In fact, I am without a doubt one of those naive relentless foreigners. I think this should be obvious considering my journey from D- on iccup to E rank fish in less than 2 years time. I consider the opportunity to play scan a gift.
My post was just sharing a hard truth and what I would do in this specific situation.
On April 22 2017 04:51 EndingLife wrote: It's pretty embarrassing how the 'top foreigners' are representing us as a whole in this thread.
It's not anyone's place to tell an organizer that they "have to pick" whether their tournaments are in support of the foreign community or will enforce a xenophobic divide between the communities.
I feel like this is in response to me.
Maybe it came out the wrong way but I'm not forcing Filthyrake or Schamtoo to do anything. In fact, I am without a doubt one of those naive relentless foreigners. I think this should be obvious considering my journey from D- on iccup to E rank fish in less than 2 years time. I consider the opportunity to play scan a gift.
My post was just sharing a hard truth and what I would do in this specific situation.
I wasn't referring to your post in particular above anyone else who said the same thing in a different way, which multiple people did. The hard truth imo is that they don't have to abide by what some people personally consider to be "supporting the foreign scene."
"Supporting the foreign scene" in the organizers' mind (I don't mean to put words in people's mouths but I don't find my interpretation to be unreasonable) is putting up money and hosting a well-run English-cast tournament that is open to all who have access to it, namely people who frequent this site, the hub of foreign StarCraft. I, for one, agree with them.
Is it supporting it less than sponsoring all the players who have no Korean heritage, background, etc. with monthly salaries, benefits, and incentives ? Of course. Is it supporting it more than not doing anything? Absolutely. These tournaments fall somewhere in between, and thus cannot be argued to not be supporting foreign interest and participation in BW, simple as that. Just because they don't do it in a way that some people find optimal is not a reason to boycott the tournaments and people who are without a doubt beneficial to the scene as contributors.
First, I hope you won't stop those tournaments, because they are awesome and i am really thankfull for what you did. But to me it seems that you received a lot of advices but you don't want to listen to them.
I don't know what was your goal, promote foreign scene ? having the best games of bw to show ?
If your goal is to promote foreign scene, you need to understand that from the beginning koreans and foreigners have not the same chance of success in bw. Once you are part of the top foreigners, it's really hard to improve because you can't ask for advices, you can't play lot of games with practice partners (or always same people). There are no "pros" just some foreigners that are better than others, we don't make money by playing this game, but we invest A LOT OF TIME (because we love this game). Playing in a tournaments means playing all your saturday night while you could be with your friends or having some good time with your family. So playing a tournaments where you already know who's gonna win and we didn't had the same chance because he is korean and me a foreigner, is not that fun. I had rather go out with friends or play fish no ? To be part of the top foreigners already means we skipped a lot of time with friends and family but remember we didn't earn anything from that except fun and more love for the game .
If your goal is to show the best games of bw, then you should ask scan to help you promote this tournaments to korean community. And i am sure you will have ton of koreans playing in it and it's gonna be awesome for us to watch some high skilled koreans who can't play in ASL but for once have the chance to make money and show their skills.
I think the "problem" came from your lack of communication. We don't know what you want to do with those tournaments. But we (top foreigners) assumed, that it was to promote foreign community (because it's late for koreans to play in it) so if it's the case i think koreans should not be allowed. To me it's like in boxe, there are some weight class and they can't compete each other, it's the same in BW. When top foreigners wants to improve they go fish but when we play in a tournament to promote foreign community we want to know at the end of the tournaments who is the best foreigner for this week not who played scan or sonstar in last. And there would be an emulation to be the best foreigner for the week, but at the moment it's not the case.
I hope my "broken english" was not to bad for you to understand my point of view. As i said i'm really thankfull for what you did and what you are doing for our great community, i hope you won't stop, even if it's not to promote foreign scene, and i would be glad to watch some high korean level. Just inform us better what's your goal with those tournaments.
Your english is fine. The "point" of these (as much as there ever was a point) was just to throw a fun weekly event and try to promote brood war in general. It wasnt for the best games OR to promote the foreign scene.
You guys all assumed way too much about my motives here. I'm just a guy who loves starcraft, and has some experience running events for SC, and thought this would be fun.
Hey filthyfake/schamtoo, thanks for putting these tours on and promoting BW :D
I would like them better if they were foreign only, but I realize that the organizers are not catering to me personally lol. I hope you guys continue to support BW in any way you think is best
I like schamtoo and filthyrake they put up with me despite my many shortcomings. You guys are cool, and I like you a lot. Sometimes I think "what can I do to be more like schamtoo and filthyrake". You guys bring a tear to my eye and an erection to my pants when I see FilthyBW and Have At You! being casted.
thanks for the explanation.Now everything is clear and we didnt need that useless discussion.thanks you both for supporting the bw scene ! and big thanks to the foreigners for providing great games.so far there are only 2 koreans cuz is 4am but i will love to see beast shinee and others taking part,this will bring lot of interest for viewers. i think i can try to get CJ Movie for this,his english is decent so maybe he can try.
On April 22 2017 17:33 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: thanks for the explanation.Now everything is clear and we didnt need that useless discussion.thanks you both for supporting the bw scene ! and big thanks to the foreigners for providing great games.so far there are only 2 koreans cuz is 4am but i will love to see beast shinee and others taking part,this will bring lot of interest for viewers. i think i can try to get CJ Movie for this,his english is decent so maybe he can try.
That would be very cool I would love to play with Movie!
Though I'm really a nobody in the bw community, I am really happy that you guys organise these tournaments and hope you will continue to do so, because I had lots of fun watching it. You might feel that the people are ungrateful and all, probably they should've worded their concerns a little bit nicer. So what I am trying to say is that don't let these negative feelings stop you from organisin these tournaments.
I have an idea that would make it more difficult to organise the tournaments but maybe the foreign scene will like it and you wouldn't have to exclude koreans.
I thought that maybe it would be possible to have an event where the foreigners would duke it out amongst themselves and the best two foreigners would "advance" or would have the chance to compete in the second phase of the tournament which would include the koreans.
This way there would be a foreigner only tournament which most foreigners would want, and the best foreigners could try and take down koreans as a bonus.
This is just my idea and I know it would take a lot more effort to organise it this way, so it might not worth the effort, but maybe this would meet everybodys expectations and the negative feelings would go away and everybody would be happy again and have fun playing the game once again.
And again don't take this as whining or demanding I don't want to sound ungrateful or anything, I really like that you are organising tournaments.
Edit: yeee i should've watched the video before writing this, anyway maybe someone will make a tournament like this :D
Maybe different prizepool split can bring some more motivation to non kor players? They know they cant win so maybe making profitbale playing for 3rd-4th place would increase tour attention?
Thanks for tournaments to you and FilthyRake, very enjoying to watch and helpful for the scene. I like your mentality your showing in this video, keep it up!
On April 22 2017 17:33 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: thanks for the explanation.Now everything is clear and we didnt need that useless discussion.thanks you both for supporting the bw scene ! and big thanks to the foreigners for providing great games.so far there are only 2 koreans cuz is 4am but i will love to see beast shinee and others taking part,this will bring lot of interest for viewers. i think i can try to get CJ Movie for this,his english is decent so maybe he can try.
Hey Schamtoo & Filthy, I am one of those people who think Koreans are just too good and should not be allowed to play, but I completely understand your motivation and I respect your choices. Thank you for your time and energy in supporting the BW scene and bringing us awesome matches every week.
...and maybe having Scan and Sonstar play each other in the first round would be a compromise?
My two cents, the point of foreign only tournaments is too help foster the culture outside Korea and also reward these players for working as hard as they do to be at the level they are, which is a fantastically high level. While I think there is an opportunity for some foreign versus Korean events, it makes more sense for these types of tournaments to not include Koreans.
@anyone upset with the top foreigners standpoint, just understand they are coming from a good and reasonable place. Just because you guys differ on who should participate does not mean you need to get harsh towards each other. I recommend everyone on either side take a second to breathe.
@Sponsors, yes we (I) am grateful for this tournament, but I too make the appeal that foreign only would be a better way to connect with your international audience. But ultimately, you are the ones who are offering money and have every right to spend it how you would like.
What I get from the video is that organizator only wants to have fun by hosting tournaments (it was strictly said by him), but he doesn't care if most of participants have fun too, hearing about how many top foreign players wanted to reject theirs participation. Don't get me wrong, I am rather neutral to this situation if Koreans should be allowed to participate, but your behavior now looks a little bit selfish to me. Sure, you put the money so you state the rules. But you behave like it was thousand of dolars every week. Which is pity of it isn't such an amount, because then maybe real korean progamers would join to at least show good games on equal level.
I do not instigate anyone else doing so, but I personally am not going to tune in for the next tournaments streams after seeing that video. Nevertheless, good luck to you in next shows and have fun to everyone. Peace.
To all: please respect organizers position, it would be awfull if they decide to cancel the series due to all the negativity. I hope not, because alot of people enjoying it.
Looks like everything was said regarding this topic. Still, I wanna make some clarifications.
First of all, I am thankful to you for organizing these tournaments. You bring a lot of viewers to spectate this great game, and this is the highest possible value that I can think of. Top foreigner's standpoint idea was to actually INCREASE gaming and streaming quality. It may looks like they are being selfish, and that may be partially true. Nevertheless, I thought that having a tournament with names like: Sziky, Trutacz, Dewalt, Cryoc, Eonzerg, Dandy, Ty2, Koget and many many great foreign players would be better than the one including Koreans. Why? Because it was my belief that a close game is actually better for the audience to watch than a 1-sided ownage. I thought that uncertainty of who's going to win is better than having 1 solid candidate for winning.
Until this discussion lead us to these conclusions, I was certain that I was right. I never expected that there are people who actually enjoy to watch the machinery at work. It makes sense, indeed. It was my narrow-minded thinking that everyone would be excited about the same things as I would be. Now I know, there are people with taste so different than my own that I never actually considered the other possibilities.
So once again, sorry, for we were only trying to make everything better, for the audience, for the streamers and for us the players (at least most of us). Please keep up the good work, that you do. Doing something for the BroodWar community is the greatest thing one can do and if Adun exists, you will be richly rewarded in the afterlife :D
Well, I come from a full-contact martial arts background, so to me it kind of makes sense that people want weight divisions.
It's obvious that playing against Koreans is something akin to fighting someone who has 15kgs on you and is a head taller with the reach to match -- Korean team houses, progamers, coaches and the barrier to all of that via the language means that it's virtually impossible for foreigners to catch up to them. No amount of grinding on Fish will get you there, it's like telling a fighter to prepare for a bout without a trainer and coach and then blaming them for not wanting to do it again after loosing.
"Just train harder yo". Haha, yeah, right. "You sound entitled, how come you don't want to be beaten up really badly and shown how worthless the countless hours of hard work and practice you put in are time and time again"? FFS, competing is not the same as occasionally playing for fun... It's a 'tournament' not 'ladder', these are casted and not practice games.
It's funny to see people like Jealous say they would love to play vs Movie. Of course you would! You are not a serious player. I would love to play vs Movie as well, I'm not a serious player either. Top foreigners are serious players, they have gotten to where they because they are serious players. And they too would love to play vs Movie too. For practice, for the honour of it, for fun games. (Check their streams...) They don't want to be beaten bloody in tournaments by random (as compared to Movie and the likes of him only, of course) Koreans, and it's ridiculous to expect that kind of mental stamina from them.
As a spectator, it's exciting to see the best foreigners duking it out, and then seeing them get smashed by Koreans. I guess gladiator games were popular for a reason. It's not cool for random people to look down on them though... I guess you just don't understand the mental aspect of it, because you've never been in a position like that. Which is cool, and I'm not blaming anyone, just perhaps trying to get some people to understand that side as well.
Which I think the organizers do! They are wonderful people who have given us a lot already, and I think literally everyone is very thankful for that. My heartfelt thanks goes out as well! And hopefully, we will manage to continue with these really awesome tournies. I love watching it. But I have to say I understand the players who feel like bowing out. Maybe you will too if you read this comment and keep an open mind and try to imagine yourself in their shoes.
'Foreigner only' is not an insane request in the BW scene. And perhaps coming from SC2 with actual foreign pros and the skill gap being non-existant (I know, but compared to BW) the attitude may seem... off-putting. It isn't. These guys have kids, busy lives, and no history of being a pro or having access to help like Koreans do. But as I've said, the organizers have explained their side, are awesome and cool people -- here's to hoping for more tournies. I like watching them.
If you're a foreigner and you think your participation is useless to the viewers and to me, you are sorely mistaken. I've grown to love the names of EonZerg, Trutacz, Dandy, Koget, etc while still appreciating SonStar and Scan. I don't sit here thinking these people are wasting my time or my viewers. My viewers fucking love the plays that come out of everyone in my tournaments.
Just last week I took the Filthy BW finals VoD and made a clip of Dewalt- doing that SICK DT mine-drag and got it on the front page or r/starcraft. Had a lot of people talking about BW and how that works vs SC2.
I'm not going to say "Train harder, noob" to people who are frustrated they're not winning. I'm not a competitive player, I was for a very short time and I know the frustration of losing to the same player a lot (Damn you, Pokebunny). I will say from a caster and a viewer that I love the games the foreigners have put on so far. So do my viewers. Hell, even Rapid who casts ASL was super impressed at the level of play you all put on. I think if you think going against players from Korea is so onesided, you don't see it like we do.
<3's out to all of you. I hope you all still play, I love seeing you all play. I really do, however I can understand if you don't want to.
Hey everyone. I am sorry to report that there will not be a Filthy BW Cup today. This has nothing to do with the ongoing discussion here in the thread, but rather that my casters are unavailable for various reasons.
Filthy BW Cup Weekly #3 is still going to happen, but I am not yet entirely certain when. Normally I would say it will just be next Sunday, but I am going to be out of town for a wedding. It *may* still happen then, but I am not yet certain. Please stay tuned for updates!
On April 24 2017 00:15 FilthyRake wrote: THERE WILL NOT BE A FILTHY BW CUP TODAY
Hey everyone. I am sorry to report that there will not be a Filthy BW Cup today. This has nothing to do with the ongoing discussion here in the thread, but rather that my casters are unavailable for various reasons.
Filthy BW Cup Weekly #3 is still going to happen, but I am not yet entirely certain when. Normally I would say it will just be next Sunday, but I am going to be out of town for a wedding. It *may* still happen then, but I am not yet certain. Please stay tuned for updates!
NOOOOOOOOO but... but , but ive practice for this , this sunday... rip skill if its going to happend next week
On April 24 2017 00:15 FilthyRake wrote: THERE WILL NOT BE A FILTHY BW CUP TODAY
Hey everyone. I am sorry to report that there will not be a Filthy BW Cup today. This has nothing to do with the ongoing discussion here in the thread, but rather that my casters are unavailable for various reasons.
Filthy BW Cup Weekly #3 is still going to happen, but I am not yet entirely certain when. Normally I would say it will just be next Sunday, but I am going to be out of town for a wedding. It *may* still happen then, but I am not yet certain. Please stay tuned for updates!
why not get in contact to replacement casters? There's a lot of good casters in the foreign community who'd likely do it.
On April 24 2017 00:15 FilthyRake wrote: THERE WILL NOT BE A FILTHY BW CUP TODAY
Hey everyone. I am sorry to report that there will not be a Filthy BW Cup today. This has nothing to do with the ongoing discussion here in the thread, but rather that my casters are unavailable for various reasons.
Filthy BW Cup Weekly #3 is still going to happen, but I am not yet entirely certain when. Normally I would say it will just be next Sunday, but I am going to be out of town for a wedding. It *may* still happen then, but I am not yet certain. Please stay tuned for updates!
why not get in contact to replacement casters? There's a lot of good casters in the foreign community who'd likely do it.
It was extremely last-minute. I found out from Schamtoo at like 2am that he was too sick lol.
On April 24 2017 04:18 FilthyRake wrote: yes, I probably could have. I'm not used to the non-live style we do with brood war.
Live and learn
Ultimately though, it should be noted that in terms of professional casting experience and production values, it would be hard to match Schamtoo and Rapid, even if other more seasoned players might know a bit more about the game. I think there is something to be said in the defense of 1. continuity and 2. presentation in this case, which is something that has become an intrinsic aspect of both Have At You and Filthy BW Cup in my mind. While it is unfortunate that the tournament had to be postponed on such short notice, sometimes that's just the way things are in the real world full of germs, jobs, and other nuisances that keep one from Brood War's loving embrace.
I am going to talk to the casters/admins and see if we can run it this weekend without me (I'll be at a wedding on the other side of the country). If so, it will just run this sunday. If not, we will kick it to next week and then service should resume as normal.
On April 24 2017 04:18 FilthyRake wrote: yes, I probably could have. I'm not used to the non-live style we do with brood war.
Live and learn
Ultimately though, it should be noted that in terms of professional casting experience and production values, it would be hard to match Schamtoo and Rapid, even if other more seasoned players might know a bit more about the game. I think there is something to be said in the defense of 1. continuity and 2. presentation in this case, which is something that has become an intrinsic aspect of both Have At You and Filthy BW Cup in my mind. While it is unfortunate that the tournament had to be postponed on such short notice, sometimes that's just the way things are in the real world full of germs, jobs, and other nuisances that keep one from Brood War's loving embrace.
I think Schamtoo and Rapid provide great casting, you certainly cannot fully replace either of those two. What they do is just great, production value is great and the chemistry between them is just right. Then we have quite a bit of seasoned casters in this community. People like Catspaw, Bisudagger, Flashftw, herbmon, hell even myself+ Show Spoiler +
non-exclusive list of course!
, have casted lots of games and high quality foreign and korean events in the past, from TLS, to ICCup NL, to ASL. These people know how to behave in front of a microphone and know their fundamentals. They all enjoy casting and do it with genuine passion for the game.
That being said, i hope to always see Scham & Rapid, they are true entertainers!
On April 24 2017 04:18 FilthyRake wrote: yes, I probably could have. I'm not used to the non-live style we do with brood war.
Live and learn
Ultimately though, it should be noted that in terms of professional casting experience and production values, it would be hard to match Schamtoo and Rapid, even if other more seasoned players might know a bit more about the game. I think there is something to be said in the defense of 1. continuity and 2. presentation in this case, which is something that has become an intrinsic aspect of both Have At You and Filthy BW Cup in my mind. While it is unfortunate that the tournament had to be postponed on such short notice, sometimes that's just the way things are in the real world full of germs, jobs, and other nuisances that keep one from Brood War's loving embrace.
I think Schamtoo and Rapid provide great casting, you certainly cannot fully replace either of those two. What they do is just great, production value is great and the chemistry beneath the both of them is just right. Then we have quite a bit of seasoned casters in this community. People like Catspaw, Bisudagger, Flashftw, herbmon, hell even myself+ Show Spoiler +
non-exclusive list of course!
, have casted lots of games and high quality foreign and korean events in the past, from TLS, to ICCup NL, to ASL. These people know how to behave in front of a microphone and know their fundamentals. They all enjoy casting and do it with genuine passion for the game.
That beeing said, i hope to always see Scham&Rapid, they are true entertainers!
Of course! Never meant to take anything away from the casters that have been around for a while and provided us with a lot of great content. I should have added that in such short notice it would be difficult to put everything together without risking detracting from the presentation standards, even if we have people capable of it. It's possible that Filthy isn't as familiar with them, and given how dispersed we are around the world scheduling something last minute would be a pain either way. This makes me think we should have a "rent a caster" thread with casters stating their availability, putting up VODs of their work, etc.
Yeah TBH I am *very* unfamiliar with the BW casters these days. I work with Schamtoo, and I know Rapid from other StarCraft stuff, so they were obvious choices for me.
I tentatively have Day9 on board to do a guest cast one week But outside of them, the only casters I know of in BW are Tastosis.
On April 25 2017 01:37 FilthyRake wrote: Yeah TBH I am *very* unfamiliar with the BW casters these days. I work with Schamtoo, and I know Rapid from other StarCraft stuff, so they were obvious choices for me.
I tentatively have Day9 on board to do a guest cast one week But outside of them, the only casters I know of in BW are Tastosis.
Day9! that's really sick! And yeah jealous you're right, we really should have a thread with 'community casters' so to speak. I can't think of a better term right now, i hope it's appropriate :>
hmm, actually holding it on the 30th like I planned might prove tricky. I'll be on an airplane, and Schamtoo is gonna be at DH:Austin... I'm gonna figure this out guys, lol.
That said, if anyone knows people interested in helping out with running Admin it would be very helpful.
On April 25 2017 02:42 FilthyRake wrote: hmm, actually holding it on the 30th like I planned might prove tricky. I'll be on an airplane, and Schamtoo is gonna be at DH:Austin... I'm gonna figure this out guys, lol.
That said, if anyone knows people interested in helping out with running Admin it would be very helpful.
Hey there FR. I've been a paid caster for AfreecaTV (and GomTV S4) for the past two+ years. I am open for communication and am always willing to help with anything I have the bandwidth for. Knowing the future of BW, I'm sure we will cross paths at some point or another, but I'll send you a PM with my info in case you ever need to message me..
Bisudagger + FlashFTW best caster duo, amazing synergy, most fun, etc. They compliment each other very nicely and are super professional, but also fun. So sad they stopped doing ASL, everybody who actually knows / plays BW preferred them over Tastosis. Much love to BisuDagger and FlashFTW ^^ And SchAmToo and Filthy too ofc.
On April 28 2017 00:01 FilthyRake wrote: Ok so we've got Bisu (who is a rock star) available to cast. If I can put together an admin, we will be a GO for this weekend.
Still working on getting that admin. No matter what sign up everyone, Ill carry this on my shoulders like a giant sea turtle if I have to.
On April 28 2017 03:58 fazek42 wrote: Bisudagger + FlashFTW best caster duo, amazing synergy, most fun, etc. They compliment each other very nicely and are super professional, but also fun. So sad they stopped doing ASL, everybody who actually knows / plays BW preferred them over Tastosis. Much love to BisuDagger and FlashFTW ^^ And SchAmToo and Filthy too ofc.
aww stop it you're making me blush <3
I'm sure BD and I will make some one night only reunification for some hilarious cast or something.
On April 28 2017 03:58 fazek42 wrote: Bisudagger + FlashFTW best caster duo, amazing synergy, most fun, etc. They compliment each other very nicely and are super professional, but also fun. So sad they stopped doing ASL, everybody who actually knows / plays BW preferred them over Tastosis. Much love to BisuDagger and FlashFTW ^^ And SchAmToo and Filthy too ofc.
aww stop it you're making me blush <3
I'm sure BD and I will make some one night only reunification for some hilarious cast or something.
On April 28 2017 10:03 trutaCz wrote: Uhm 1.18? The patch is still bugged.
Sounds like I better update too lol. Yes 1.18 has bugs, but it helps Blizzard and tournament hosts to run with the most current product of the game. In this instance, let's be supportive and if any games are lost due to bugs we will deal with it then.
i think u guys should test 1.18.2,the only problem i found was about the UI and trying to double click games on fish server.ctrl keys fkeys all of that is fixed.Mouse maybe no perfect but if you expend some minutes finding the right configuration is not terrible.
So is this going to be on April 30th? Would be nice if you guys could fix the date on the event details. It still says April 23rd there and confused me. And I would like a confirmation here as to what BW version will be used? We don't work for Blizzard so I don't see a reason to use the new patch until it is finished, just because Blizzard didn't feel the need to test it before the release.
On April 28 2017 21:20 Cryoc wrote: So is this going to be on April 30th? Would be nice if you guys could fix the date on the event details. It still says April 23rd there and confused me. And I would like a confirmation here as to what BW version will be used? We don't work for Blizzard so I don't see a reason to use the new patch until it is finished, just because Blizzard didn't feel the need to test it before the release.
All dates I find now reflect April 30th. If I missed one please let me know. Thanks!
VERSION TO PLAY WITH: 1.18.2 Filthy is already in the air on his way to Dreamhack. We will use 1.18.2 for this Sunday to respect his wishes. If we find that it causes issues this Sunday then we can bring it up for future weekly's.
Small request if this is being casted by BisuDagger and FlashFTW. Can we have FlashFTW as the obs? No offense to BisuDagger, as I love watching his streams, but he does miss a lot of starting build orders, important battles, drops, etc.
On April 28 2017 22:27 EndingLife wrote: Small request if this is being casted by BisuDagger and FlashFTW. Can we have FlashFTW as the obs? No offense to BisuDagger, as I love watching his streams, but he does miss a lot of starting build orders, important battles, drops, etc.
I'll be on my own. Since last Tuesday I came up with a more effective way to catch things on replay. Besides my colorblind issues, I have trouble due to the minimap being so tiny in window mode. Since I put everything on a second laptop now and have two monitors on my main laptop, I can FINALLY cast with the full screen which will make it easier for me to see. Plus I will cut down on rambling at the start so you can see build orders. Give me one final chance :D!
On April 28 2017 22:27 EndingLife wrote: Small request if this is being casted by BisuDagger and FlashFTW. Can we have FlashFTW as the obs? No offense to BisuDagger, as I love watching his streams, but he does miss a lot of starting build orders, important battles, drops, etc.
I'll be on my own. Since last Tuesday I came up with a more effective way to catch things on replay. Besides my colorblind issues, I have trouble due to the minimap being so tiny in window mode. Since I put everything on a second laptop now and have two monitors on my main laptop, I can FINALLY cast with the full screen which will make it easier for me to see. Plus I will cut down on rambling at the start so you can see build orders. Give me one final chance :D!
Sounds good! Can't wait to see the new and improved casting. There's nothing wrong with rambling in the beginning as long as we know what's going on in the game. Thank you for agreeing to cast this tourney! I hope to see some awesome games and some awesome casting.
Are there any settings in 1.18.2 so that the mouse behave the same way as it does in 1.16? I am the type of player who needs to feel the comfort that my mouse movement is just exactly the same :D At the moment the cursor feels very heavy.
I am trying to remove myself from the attendees list, but i dunno how to do that. I don' t have 1.18 and don' t want to install it at this time, so please remove me from this weeks tour
On April 29 2017 01:57 pebble444 wrote: I am trying to remove myself from the attendees list, but i dunno how to do that. I don' t have 1.18 and don' t want to install it at this time, so please remove me from this weeks tour
Done. Hopefully we can make this more accessible to you next time.
On May 01 2017 02:26 Dewaltoss wrote: Why registration is closed? Maybe some players will sign up just before start? More people more fun
Honestly i am not sure what the protocol is. Since I am an admin I just keep reopening it lol. I will make sure to find out from the organizer what is desired in the future. :D
Additionally: Players NEED to click on their match in the bracket to check in. They need to do this EVERY ROUND. Starting in round 2, once both players are in the bracket, a 15 minute timer starts. If either player fails to check in within the 15 minutes, they are DQd.
Yah, I think most players didn't lose interest in Filthy BW, just the fact that it was hosted on 1.18 is really lackluster for a lot of people given the problems present with that patch. I hope the organizers don't lose hope or anything, as these tournaments are what the BW community needs.
i would've de-registered beforehand, but i didn't find the correct way to do so. For me and many other players i know who dropped with a DQ too, it doesn't make sense ATM to run patch 1.18.
We don't play fish, because we find adequate opponents and friends on ICCUp. ICCUp has a functional patch, a working ladder system and hosts other tours, while filthyrake is the only one being hosted on 1.18 (imho?)
So because of that, i had to leave this one out. i was to lazy to setup a second installation, having a 1.18 and a 1.16 installation.
On May 01 2017 08:42 supernovamaniac wrote: Meanwhile, seems like some players decided to just check in with 1.18 and go back to 1.16 to play the games
This is not true. The only games that were played on 1.16 were approved by me on a cases by case basis. Even Trutacz (who was vocal about disliking it) was forced to play with 1.18 unless approved otherwise.
thanks for hosting a new tourney bros,thanks for casting bisu =) .1.18 UI is so annoying atm to join in prrvate game,to select races,to chat in game lobby :/
On May 01 2017 19:34 pro_play wrote: gratz scan, 2-0 2-0 2-0 2-0 easy money
Those comments really don't help. Please remember that he is an active member of the TL and contributes a ton to our community. I am happy that he does have a tournament he can earn money when his alternative is to play in Korean tournaments like the ASL which we all know is filled with ridiculously high skilled players. Anyway, Trutacz vs Scan was an amazing watch and I recommend viewing it.
No, game 1 of Truta vs Scan was as amazing watch. I was so rooting for Trutaacz, but in the end Terran was OP (ok, Scan is good, too).
Like a ZvT with a ton of Firebats ? Guardians ? Valkyries ? Even a Devourer. Holy shit. Price pool should not be so #1 heavy. 65/35 would be more appropriate.
Hey guys, sorry for all the issues yesterday. I was about 2500 miles from home attending a wedding.
I'm not sure why there were such issues with the Registration. It *should* close 1 minute before the event start, and I swear that was what I set it to...
re: 1.18.2 - *shrugs* I was going off Schamtoo's recommendation, given that I heard ICCUP was having issues. Will definitely reconsider for this weekend - but not promising anything just yet lol. Need to figure it out.
Huge thanks to BisuDagger for stepping in and helping run this while I was gone! I'll try to get registration open for this coming weekend later today if I can.
I guess 1.18 didn't go so hot. However, hasn't there been a very large stability/lag/server issue with ICCUP lately? Or am I mistaken? Most people complained during the last few Filthy BWs.
On May 01 2017 08:42 supernovamaniac wrote: Meanwhile, seems like some players decided to just check in with 1.18 and go back to 1.16 to play the games
This is not true. The only games that were played on 1.16 were approved by me on a cases by case basis. Even Trutacz (who was vocal about disliking it) was forced to play with 1.18 unless approved otherwise.
I think it would be more appropriate to bring this up beforehand, as there were many cases where players decided not to participate due to the version of the game that this was supposed to play on.
I was under the impression that all games were supposed to be 1.18 regardless, and was bit curious when I saw trutacz use mcalauncher for the last game.
On May 01 2017 08:42 supernovamaniac wrote: Meanwhile, seems like some players decided to just check in with 1.18 and go back to 1.16 to play the games
This is not true. The only games that were played on 1.16 were approved by me on a cases by case basis. Even Trutacz (who was vocal about disliking it) was forced to play with 1.18 unless approved otherwise.
I think it would be more appropriate to bring this up beforehand, as there were many cases where players decided not to participate due to the version of the game that this was supposed to play on.
I was under the impression that all games were supposed to be 1.18 regardless, and was bit curious when I saw trutacz use mcalauncher for the last game.
Don't you just understand that 1.18 patch provides troubles in playing, because nothing feels the same and it is not to possible to play on competitive level?
So I wanted to do a quick update regarding the prize distribution:
I think I agree with you guys that I should change it up a little and extend it out to 3rd and 4th place.
It will not go into effect for this week's BW cup (because I havent decided how exactly I want to do it yet), but it should be in place for the following event.
On May 03 2017 23:21 FilthyRake wrote: So I wanted to do a quick update regarding the prize distribution:
I think I agree with you guys that I should change it up a little and extend it out to 3rd and 4th place.
It will not go into effect for this week's BW cup (because I havent decided how exactly I want to do it yet), but it should be in place for the following event.
Thanks for your input everyone!
Thanks for being open to suggestions and looking forward to watching the streams/vods!
On May 01 2017 08:42 supernovamaniac wrote: Meanwhile, seems like some players decided to just check in with 1.18 and go back to 1.16 to play the games
This is not true. The only games that were played on 1.16 were approved by me on a cases by case basis. Even Trutacz (who was vocal about disliking it) was forced to play with 1.18 unless approved otherwise.
I think it would be more appropriate to bring this up beforehand, as there were many cases where players decided not to participate due to the version of the game that this was supposed to play on.
I was under the impression that all games were supposed to be 1.18 regardless, and was bit curious when I saw trutacz use mcalauncher for the last game.
Don't you just understand that 1.18 patch provides troubles in playing, because nothing feels the same and it is not to possible to play on competitive level?
I understand that 1.18 has issues and is not suitable for highest level of play.
I also understand that the previous rules stated that all games would be played on 1.18, not 1.16. And seeing you playing on 1.16 meant that you clearly went against the rules that were stated in the thread, so I wanted to ask if there was a good explanation for this (seeing that others decided not to play because they refused to play on 1.16).
Of course, bisudagger later explained the situation with the exception. But up until that point, I was under the impression that some players might have went against the rules, despite what they think is suitable for competitive play.
On May 08 2017 06:37 vinipuxas wrote: free money for scan every time ppl play for 2nd place 25$ lol i think its not fear when u know who win tourney before its start.gl/hf
I would love it if people would stop crying and saying ridiculous things like "free money." Scan has lost games in these tournaments, and it is by no means "free" because he has to work for it... Take your salt and whine elsewhere please. Some people just want to see/play good games.
i noticed an inspiring young protoss player from germany in the bracket. fischei made the quarter finals this time. Anybody knows who this raw gosu talent is?
now in all honesty: winning a game vs Dewalt.. pretty nice. Im sure it was an elaborate cheese (;
On May 09 2017 00:10 Cele wrote: i noticed an inspiring young protoss player from germany in the bracket. fischei made the quarter finals this time. Anybody knows who this raw gosu talent is?
now in all honesty: winning a game vs Dewalt.. pretty nice. Im sure it was an elaborate cheese (;
such a talented player,im sure after training a bit more he will dispute the throne of our foreigner FlaSh.
On May 08 2017 06:37 vinipuxas wrote: free money for scan every time ppl play for 2nd place 25$ lol i think its not fear when u know who win tourney before its start.gl/hf
I would love it if people would stop crying and saying ridiculous things like "free money." Scan has lost games in these tournaments, and it is by no means "free" because he has to work for it... Take your salt and whine elsewhere please. Some people just want to see/play good games.
Yea sure, all of what you said is true... although all of what he said is true as well, Scan does win every "foreign" BW tournament lol. But regardless it was fun, others including myself really appreciate the initiative of these cups by Filthy / others, thanks!
I had a blast watching Filthy yesterday. I think the DinOt vs Scan game on Bluestorm was super fun to watch and Ty2 made an awesome showing as well. Also enjoyed the casters. Looking forward to more.
On May 09 2017 00:10 Cele wrote: i noticed an inspiring young protoss player from germany in the bracket. fischei made the quarter finals this time. Anybody knows who this raw gosu talent is?
now in all honesty: winning a game vs Dewalt.. pretty nice. Im sure it was an elaborate cheese (;
On May 09 2017 00:10 Cele wrote: i noticed an inspiring young protoss player from germany in the bracket. fischei made the quarter finals this time. Anybody knows who this raw gosu talent is?
now in all honesty: winning a game vs Dewalt.. pretty nice. Im sure it was an elaborate cheese (;
good distribution imo. I respect your pov, but i dont see a big incentive to play on 1.18 at the moment to be honest, i honestly think ICCup is the better choice atm, regardless of my affiliation with iccup.
1) 100 % of users who want to play on in this tournament have access to ICCup. This tournament doesn't attract beginner level/ casual level amateur, the "worst" players in this are around my level, C-/C Rank at iccup or better. While most of the better and top foreigners play on 1.18 too (on FISH server), many mid level players still don't. i don't have any exact number, but many of the people i know on this level still play ICCup exclusivly.
2) Current patch is having a lot of issues Current Thread with complaints. I didn't read the whole thread, but apparently there's massive problems with CPU usage this time.
3) ICCup offers support to all Tours run at the server. We can do serverwide announcements for events, offer Chat moderation when needed and cooperate to a certain extent when it comes to smurf-checking. This tour needs no smurf checking tho, that's more important when you intend to restrict the access to a certain group of players and have a hard time figuring out who-is.who.
So, as i said for me personally it doesn't matter that much, but i don't see the benefits of using 1.18 atm. Scham mentioned his issues with hosting and casting games on 1.16. I think that's a matter of experience. Once you're router ports are forwarded and you have no color glitches ingame, there's basically nothing troublesome from my experience in streaming with 1.16.
I want to second that no tours should happen in 1.18 until it's at least up to 1.16 functionality, from the player perspective at least. Of course 1.18 works fine for some people (including myself) but I see no reason to jump over to a product that is constantly changing and garnering complaints.
Hey guys, I am in need of an Admin for this weekend's event. I am going to be out of town, vacationing with the wife. If anyone knows anyone who would be interested, send them my way.
On May 11 2017 10:55 FilthyRake wrote: Hey guys, I am in need of an Admin for this weekend's event. I am going to be out of town, vacationing with the wife. If anyone knows anyone who would be interested, send them my way.
I wish it could be me but I am not a reliable candidate.
I have a tendency to not "give it my all". I'm flaky, and disappear at random intervals of time. And I do not have good judgment.
On May 11 2017 10:55 FilthyRake wrote: Hey guys, I am in need of an Admin for this weekend's event. I am going to be out of town, vacationing with the wife. If anyone knows anyone who would be interested, send them my way.
I wish it could be me but I am not a reliable candidate.
I have a tendency to not "give it my all". I'm flaky, and disappear at random intervals of time. And I do not have good judgment.
^ head coach of my team y'all <3
I'm leaving for vacation myself on Sunday so unfortunately I can't help. GL!
Just as a quick update: I have not had any luck finding an admin for this week. If I am unable to find one today, I will need to cancel this week's tour (as I will not be available to do it myself). I will update the thread later tonight to let everyone know whats going on.
On May 12 2017 23:29 FilthyRake wrote: Just as a quick update: I have not had any luck finding an admin for this week. If I am unable to find one today, I will need to cancel this week's tour (as I will not be available to do it myself). I will update the thread later tonight to let everyone know whats going on.
Check PM
Also, coupon code isn't working to add $1 to prizepool.
On May 12 2017 23:29 FilthyRake wrote: Just as a quick update: I have not had any luck finding an admin for this week. If I am unable to find one today, I will need to cancel this week's tour (as I will not be available to do it myself). I will update the thread later tonight to let everyone know whats going on.
Check PM
Also, coupon code isn't working to add $1 to prizepool.
I tried it with FILTHYBW4 and it worked. Probably not intentional...
hey guys, I'm still out of town but PLEASE go ahead and use the matcherino code. I'm going to leave this open til the morning and payout from my vacation then, to give people time to use up all the codes. Otherwise I'll make up the difference myself before I payout.
On May 16 2017 02:04 FilthyRake wrote: Out of curiosity, how did everyone feel about the additional payouts? Was less money for the top worth having payouts for 3rd and 4th?
On May 21 2017 01:10 BLinD-RawR wrote: that sucks, can you really not get someone to cast reps at a later date?
I mean, the casts obviously are the big value add for me, since the tiny bit of ad revenue is all the return I get on the events
That said. I've just been insanely busy (and continue to be) and havent had time to put together an alternative. I wanted to make sure the games themselves at least still happened.
Are you guys changing any maps in the map pool each week? If not, i think it would be a cool idea to swap one out each week for another map. Each week with the same map pool seems a bit boring (not taking away from any success you've had with this weekly tour; this is merely a suggestion).
My intention is to change them around. That said... its a little complicated. The way our map veto system works with smash.gg means that both Filthy BW Cup and Have At You have to use the same map pool. So Schamtoo and I need to coordinate map changes
A message for the first person view streamers: please consider disabling the twitch message feature for big games like semi & finals or when you reach a certain amount of viewers because the constant flood of unrelated messages directly on screen is really annoying for simple viewers. Anyway awesome games, had much fun watching that tourney.
i think it's impressive that the casters didn't know who Dinot was at Flithy Cup #5. He used to play for the best foreigner teams, and was one of the top foreigner zerg players around from 2008-2010 or so. you have to do yourself a favor and watch the showmatch he had against Jianfei at liquibition, or his games against JianFei and Rondo at TSL1. he's a good player who's returning to play BW after many years
On May 30 2017 05:32 MymSlorm wrote: i think it's impressive that the casters didn't know who Dinot was at Flithy Cup #5. He used to play for the best foreigner teams, and was one of the top foreigner zerg players around from 2008-2010 or so. you have to do yourself a favor and watch the showmatch he had against Jianfei at liquibition, or his games against JianFei and Rondo at TSL1. he's a good player who's returning to play BW after many years
Errr... I've been in the scene for all of 4 months.
On May 30 2017 09:22 SchAmToo wrote: Errr... I've been in the scene for all of 4 months.
Then you should totally watch those games i recommend them, you can also find him on liquipedia. i mean if you are casting a game it's good to get the most knowledge and information you can about the players too. most of the players have a page on liquipedia even the older ones
On May 30 2017 09:22 SchAmToo wrote: Errr... I've been in the scene for all of 4 months.
Then you should totally watch those games i recommend them, you can also find him on liquipedia. i mean if you are casting a game it's good to get the most knowledge and information you can about the players too. most of the players have a page on liquipedia even the older ones
It takes baby steps Schamtoo has already made tremendous progress in his game knowledge over the past couple of months. Before gaining in-depth knowledge on players who may or may not be "known" (a lot of both groups sign up for these tours), working on game knowledge is more important and it's clear that Schamtoo is gaining that as time goes on, which is great to see (and hear).
mb try ban scan from this tourney and more ppl will come? cuz if he play every1 know who won already so why need play ?or mb lets call more progamer korean and then lets see how they play?u just killing this tourney with scan
On May 31 2017 02:24 vinipuxas wrote: mb try ban scan from this tourney and more ppl will come? cuz if he play every1 know who won already so why need play ?or mb lets call more progamer korean and then lets see how they play?u just killing this tourney with scan
You really should read this thread before such posts.
mb try ban scan from this tourney and more ppl will come? cuz if he play every1 know who won already so why need play ?or mb lets call more progamer korean and then lets see how they play?u just killing this tourney with scan
The tournament is open to all, why would you want to ban someone for being really good and winning? If you ban the guy who wins most of the time then someone else will just step up and take his place and win all the time so there is no point in doing that. Frankly I would love to see more gosu Koreans enter the tournament because it will make it that much better. Say for example Firebathero decided to play, despite the fact I couldn't beat him because I suck, I would enter the tourney in hopes I got a chance to play against him and I would definitely watch the stream to see all of his games that were casted.
@ Mymslorm - Dude, I have been watching foreign tourneys since 2010 and even I have no idea who the foreigner DinoT is so why would you think its "impressive" that the casters didn't know him? Honestly do you really think them not knowing who he is affected the quality of the cast? I didn't. Also like Jealous said Schamtoo is learning a lot very quickly and every cast he does gets better and better and he is a quality commentator compared to most people I have seen try so give the guy a break! But that said thanks for recommending those games of his to watch so we can all check them out!
On May 31 2017 02:24 vinipuxas wrote: mb try ban scan from this tourney and more ppl will come? cuz if he play every1 know who won already so why need play ?or mb lets call more progamer korean and then lets see how they play?u just killing this tourney with scan
I highly recommend you to read the previous posts. Either you do the job to invite other Korean players or make your own tournaments that won't accept any Korean players. Because you are just sitting and not being supportive to this event of admins.
Every time someone says something like this, just ignore it. I'm tired of even talking about it again and again.
People can tell Filthy and I our tournaments will get "Boring" and "no one will join". K, fine. We know. We know what we're doing. SC2 and SCBW scenes are not as different as you all might think they are, source: someone who's been in both for years and years.
Whatever. I'll just report people who say the same thing and move on.
I'm not seeing what the issue here is. It's an open tournament isn't it? Scan is well within his right to participate if he wants. If I'm missing something, does anyone care to enlighten me?
Well that's because as i said, he was around in 2008-2010. i believe he retired between the end of 2009 to early 2010, so it's not rare that you don't know him if you have just watched BW from 2010 to this current year without investigating about the players before that time, but for everyone who was around that era knows him because he was one of the top foreigner zergs during that time. Those were good years, so many talented players, Nony, Gosia/paranoid, Draco, Mondragon, Idra, Dreiven, Strelok, Brat_Ok, Jianfei, Cloud, White_ra, Ret, Fenix, Castro, Horror, Haypro etc. the tournaments were amazing back then, all the matches high quality games, and you wouldn't know who would win until the end
On May 31 2017 10:10 SchAmToo wrote: Every time someone says something like this, just ignore it. I'm tired of even talking about it again and again.
People can tell Filthy and I our tournaments will get "Boring" and "no one will join". K, fine. We know. We know what we're doing. SC2 and SCBW scenes are not as different as you all might think they are, source: someone who's been in both for years and years.
Whatever. I'll just report people who say the same thing and move on.
It's all well and good to give some criticism to the organizers of any tournament. It's another thing to constantly complain about a decision that's already been made.
Same as always, if you don't like the way a tour is being run, the community encourages you to go sponsor or organize your own.
On May 31 2017 10:10 SchAmToo wrote: SC2 and SCBW scenes are not as different as you all might think they are, source: someone who's been in both for years and years.
Hey SchAmToo, but you stated that you have been on the BW scene for just 4 months, which one is the truth? years and years, or 4 months?
Ty2 is saying pretty important, people should just enjoy and be a bit more kind, the organizers have already stated that they are going to keep with the format, so why they keep making negative comments about it, and about the same topics that have already been discused. Before they started with this HaveAtYou and Filthy Cup tournaments there was non other interesting tournament in the BW foreigner scene, people should be thankful that atleast we can watch broodwar and hopefully get back the glory the foreigner scene once had
On May 31 2017 10:10 SchAmToo wrote: SC2 and SCBW scenes are not as different as you all might think they are, source: someone who's been in both for years and years.
Hey SchAmToo, but you stated that you have been on the BW scene for just 4 months, which one is the truth? years and years, or 4 months?
I've been casting for 4 months, I've been around BW and BW fans/players for years.
Dunno who you are, but you seem to have a vendetta against me.
people should just enjoy and be a bit more kind, the organizers have already stated that they are going to keep with the format, so why they keep making negative comments about it, and about the same topics that have already been discused.
You say this right after you commented on my youtube video about the matter with the same vitriol being talked about here, so which one is it?
so here is how this thing started.in the first Schamtoo tourney.everyone told organizer about the skill difference from Koreans and foreigners,and we were all telling we knew the winner of the tourney already.the organizer for a moment said something like made most of us confused since he said if it was the case he will proly change the rules.then trutacz won scan 2-1 in an official tourney.i think it was the first time? idk and i think is what really changed cuz from the we will look into it they changed to.if you dont come to tourneys we will cancel it and gg no re.obviously since many of us the top foreigners all we wanted was a fair competition we thought it was ok to complain about it.then organizers made it pretty clear that the tourneys are to support their streams,and brood war in general not just foreigner community,and that is ok,everything is explained,now there is second razor that many players are already quitting the tourney,others are giving wo vs scan and others like me are unhappy with the situation but keep playing anyway and try to get good results and training useless strats that will never let to win Scan .
The tourneys are to support BW and this is awesome,also respect for Scan that wakes up 4 am to play the tourneys,this is the reason we cant see more Koreans taking part the time is not really friendly for them. i hope it doesnt sound like im complaining again.i understood the situation and im with it.thanks again
On June 02 2017 09:45 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: so here is how this thing started.in the first Schamtoo tourney.everyone told organizer about the skill difference from Koreans and foreigners,and we were all telling we knew the winner of the tourney already.the organizer for a moment said something like made most of us confused since he said if it was the case he will proly change the rules.then trutacz won scan 2-1 in an official tourney.i think it was the first time? idk and i think is what really changed cuz from the we will look into it they changed to.if you dont come to tourneys we will cancel it and gg no re.obviously since many of us the top foreigners all we wanted was a fair competition we thought it was ok to complain about it.then organizers made it pretty clear that the tourneys are to support their streams,and brood war in general not just foreigner community,and that is ok,everything is explained,now there is second razor that many players are already quitting the tourney,others are giving wo vs scan and others like me are unhappy with the situation but keep playing anyway and try to get good results and training useless strats that will never let to win Scan .
The tourneys are to support BW and this is awesome,also respect for Scan that wakes up 4 am to play the tourneys,this is the reason we cant see more Koreans taking part the time is not really friendly for them. i hope it doesnt sound like im complaining again.i understood the situation and im with it.thanks again
eonzerg, I love that you play. <3 You and Trutacz are too prime examples I give people when they're looking for the top foreign Zerg talent.
A bit off topic.So I have been banned from matcherino for helping dandy withdraw his winnings from last week. I have tried contacting them but I have not received an answer could any admin help me with that. Thanks in advance.
On May 31 2017 10:10 SchAmToo wrote: SC2 and SCBW scenes are not as different as you all might think they are, source: someone who's been in both for years and years.
Hey SchAmToo, but you stated that you have been on the BW scene for just 4 months, which one is the truth? years and years, or 4 months?
I've been casting for 4 months, I've been around BW and BW fans/players for years.
Dunno who you are, but you seem to have a vendetta against me.
people should just enjoy and be a bit more kind, the organizers have already stated that they are going to keep with the format, so why they keep making negative comments about it, and about the same topics that have already been discused.
You say this right after you commented on my youtube video about the matter with the same vitriol being talked about here, so which one is it?
it's totally different, i wasn't bashing you, i was explaining to you why there was negative comments about the way you are running your tournament, and why Scan would end up winning most of them, and in fact i said to you that i'll would still watch it, that there are good series even if the winner of this tournaments will/migth get predictable, you still have done a good job as a caster and organizing the whole thing. so you seriously have some reading comprehension problems, or you feel so attacked by everyone else that you believe i'm doing the same(or you didn't read my reply to you on youtube).
For last(you can take this personal if you want) you really don't seem the kind of guy who have been around too much time, i mean your knowledge isn't that of a person who have been on the BW community for years and years. but i don't really care, i just wanted to know which one was it, since you used the word "BW scene" in both comments and you didn't specify what did you mean with that
On June 02 2017 10:05 Terrorterran wrote: A bit off topic.So I have been banned from matcherino for helping dandy withdraw his winnings from last week. I have tried contacting them but I have not received an answer could any admin help me with that. Thanks in advance.
I just want to say that while Schamtoo does not run this event, and was completely un-involved in my decision to start it... it wouldnt have happened without his help.
He gave me tons of guidance, he is there casting, he helps with the admin, he does all the production... The guy is a machine, and he does it because he loves BW more than almost anyone else I know.
This is a guy who, in his casting career has done BlizzCon!
So please everyone - give him love, give him respect, and give him thanks. Even if he is a dirty Terran.
I just remembered that people were also complaining about there are no terrans(getting eliminated around at r8) and most likely sziky will win all of tours so they wanted admins to allow me in the tour. 3 top zergs were sziky trutacz and eonzerg. I forgot for top protosses. Dewalt lancerx (?) and bonyth (?) 2 top terrans, marwin and koget, right?
On June 02 2017 14:36 LaStScan wrote: I just remembered that people were also complaining about there are no terrans(getting eliminated around at r8) and most likely sziky will win all of tours so they wanted admins to allow me in the tour. 3 top zergs were sziky trutacz and eonzerg. I forgot for top protosses. Dewalt lancerx (?) and bonyth (?) 2 top terrans, marwin and koget, right?
you forgot 2 terrans, Dandy is a race picker but mostly plays terran, and Terror is pretty good too. and i would add Fischei, Nexus1 and Arcneon on the protoss side. There are also other good zergs but we have yet to see them participating more in tournaments in order to put them on the list, like Dinot, Naugrim and g0rynich
A note to Ty2 and others: people actually don`t and can`t control emotions, only thoughts and acts. The question is would it be better if these concerns would be hidden forever?
Id lose interest in participating in this and watching this if Koreans were banned, I get raped on the first round everytime but I prefer that over getting deep inside a tournament that is made for me to get deep in.
Having Scan only makes these 2 tourneys (filthy and haveatyou) way more interesting to watch. Players have to give their best or come up with funny exotic strategies to try to beat him and the magic happens sometimes + watching his fpv stream is amazing, the guy is so chill xD Dont modify the rules.
On June 03 2017 03:06 ppp87 wrote: Having Scan only makes these 2 tourneys (filthy and haveatyou) way more interesting to watch. Players have to give their best or come up with funny exotic strategies to try to beat him and the magic happens sometimes + watching his fpv stream is amazing, the guy is so chill xD Dont modify the rules.
Agreed on all counts. Would also like to add that there have been a ton of upsets and close games without even looking at Scan's games. These tournaments are great! I love the way they are promoted, cast, and ran. It's been a while since open, weekly/bi-weekly foreign BW tournaments have had this much exposure and attention.
Just think of a magical number that will make the tournament 'normal'. For example if the player base gets at least (put your magical number) players, let the tournament run. If not, postpone it.
It's sad to see so few players, but it was bound to happen considering the polemic already discused, people isn't eager to play a tournament with so small chances of winning it, the number of attendes have been decreasing constantly since the first one. i hope Eonzerg is rigth and the rest of the good players sign up in the next few hours
Since we dont have a stream to advertise this on guys, we REALLY need everyone to donate to the matcherino using the free code FILTHYBW8 https://matcherino.com/b/tournaments/6678/
On June 05 2017 04:58 FilthyRake wrote: Since we dont have a stream to advertise this on guys, we REALLY need everyone to donate to the matcherino using the free code FILTHYBW8 https://matcherino.com/b/tournaments/6678/
since there won't be a stream today can you upload the rep.pack of filthy cup #8? would be nice to have the replays atleast
On June 05 2017 06:03 MymSlorm wrote: since there won't be a stream today can you upload the rep.pack of filthy cup #8? would be nice to have the replays atleast
as always, the replays are sent to schamtoo, not me. So you'd need him to do it. I dont have them to upload
On June 05 2017 06:50 BoA[WHITE] wrote: Hi, I'm new to this website, and I was wondering if the tournament would be played on 1.16 ver or 1.18 ver. Thanks!
On June 05 2017 09:39 BoA[WHITE] wrote: Do you know where I can download the ICcup? I've been using Fish server only and not familiar with the ICcup system. Thx!
Well it's not surprising to me. To have a successful tournament you need to have a lot of players and viewers. To have a lot of players and viewers you need to offer them what are they looking for. If they dont find it, they won't tune in. Schamtoo and Filthy are new guys in the BW scene. They want to do it on their own rules, it's fine. It's not working though. For me it's like deja vu from the past (TLC 1-20 cups) - wasted potential. But i already lost my motivation and interest, so i will end this post even though i would normally have a lot of more to write it here.
TBH I think a lot of it is many people swapping full time over to 1.18, as well as most weekly tournaments run into smaller periods and bigger periods.
We still had 100 viewers today, so while you may have ran out of motivation, the viewers haven't. It's also the lull between 1.18 coming out and remastered.
Do we need to adjust the tournament a bit to fix attendance? Maybe. We made it so 3/4th get payouts so I don't see what the major problem is if people don't get first place. If the problem is literally just because Scan is here then I dunno what to tell you.
Well, my current plan is to only run 3 more of these. So, trutaCz, soon you wont have to worry about me giving money to other people, since it wont be going into the BW scene at all. Congratulations?
On June 12 2017 09:28 FilthyRake wrote: Well, my current plan is to only run 3 more of these. So, trutaCz, soon you wont have to worry about me giving money to other people, since it wont be going into the BW scene at all. Congratulations?
): I'm very sorry to hear that you are no longer going to be running these events. It is upsetting to see what has been written by the vocal minority at times.
I of course can't speak for anyone else directly, but I know that I enjoyed your tournaments very much and I want to give you a very big, heartfelt thank you for your time, effort, and contributions. I am sure I'm not alone in this sentiment. I hope even if you do not continue running your tour, you continue to enjoy Brood War and be a part of this community Cheers <3
On June 12 2017 05:54 trutaCz wrote: Well it's not surprising to me. To have a successful tournament you need to have a lot of players and viewers. To have a lot of players and viewers you need to offer them what are they looking for. If they dont find it, they won't tune in. Schamtoo and Filthy are new guys in the BW scene. They want to do it on their own rules, it's fine. It's not working though. For me it's like deja vu from the past (TLC 1-20 cups) - wasted potential. But i already lost my motivation and interest, so i will end this post even though i would normally have a lot of more to write it here.
Viewers are getting what they want. Seeing you top dogs battling it out on a regular basis; it's nice to see and from a spectator standpoint everyone is satisfied. The other spectators want to see? Our best (that's guys like you, Bonyth, Eon, Dewalt, etc.) taking on the korean armada, whether that's scan, sonstar, or FlaSh. You couldn't design a better tournament for a viewer perspective aside from having it be a tournament that's seen as a "major" in the way that TSL or ISL was.
From a player perspective, what are players not getting? If the answer is money, I think it's unrealistic to expect a greater amount of money, there aren't yet big sponsors or anyone capable of providing money. $100/tour is greater payout than even most defiler tours. The map pool is solid and reasonable. What is unsatisfying as a player?
Viewers are getting what they want. Seeing you top dogs battling it out on a regular basis; it's nice to see and from a spectator standpoint everyone is satisfied. The other spectators want to see? Our best (that's guys like you, Bonyth, Eon, Dewalt, etc.) taking on the korean armada, whether that's scan, sonstar, or FlaSh. You couldn't design a better tournament for a viewer perspective aside from having it be a tournament that's seen as a "major" in the way that TSL or ISL was.
From a player perspective, what are players not getting? If the answer is money, I think it's unrealistic to expect a greater amount of money, there aren't yet big sponsors or anyone capable of providing money. $100/tour is greater payout than even most defiler tours. The map pool is solid and reasonable. What is unsatisfying as a player?
Well i think it's frustrating for every foreigner to get defeated by Scan over and over, and watch him get almost everytime the 1st place without that much effort into defeating everyone, i mean he's far above foreigners so they feel he doesn't belong at this tournaments, he belongs at Korean clan wars, and tours where the level is much higher. And let's face it, Scan is at the level of a profesional player because he has trained and get advices from other pros, or ex pro Korean players in order to improve beyond amateur players, While all the foreigners are amateur. So in a tournament where 99% of the people are amateur it's obvious that almost everyone would feel rejection to participate when they let a profesional participate and they don't get a chance to get to the semifinals or finals if they're on the wrong side of the bracket. That's why in any sports profesionals and amateur players play in different divisions.
For last the guys organizing this tournaments say it's an open tournament but they promote it at an amateur site, which doesn't make any sense, if they promote a tournament at an amateur site, they should make the regulations to adjust their tournament to the audience and players they are aiming for. The Open tournaments are better when you promote it on sites with mostly profesionals, So you don't see one sided matches everytime, and the same person defeating everyone everytime. In my opinión they had a good idea but the execution was bad, they didn't listen to the audience and players base in which they were promoting their tournaments and the amount of attendees started to fall a lot at both Filthy Cup and Have At You, having 1/3 of the amount of players or less than when they started, which isn't good for the viewers or the players as i stated (and even if the amount of viewers you got this weekend at the tours are higher than the first ones, it doesn't mean it was a better spectacle this weekend, You've got more people watching because it has been run for months and it's more known now). In my opinion it's good to listen to advices, i'm sure if they would have taken the advices from the community and players, to make it foreigners only tour it would be running with a bigger pool of players(as big or more than when they started), and bigger amount of viewers, because there are a lot of guys at similar level on the foreigner scene so there would have been different winners, which makes it more exciting to watch than watching Scan roll over everyone. so next time don't be so stubborn and be more flexible, the people don't lose their time typing things just to bother you, it's to cooperate and help the teamliquid broodwar community to grow.
Viewers are getting what they want. Seeing you top dogs battling it out on a regular basis; it's nice to see and from a spectator standpoint everyone is satisfied. The other spectators want to see? Our best (that's guys like you, Bonyth, Eon, Dewalt, etc.) taking on the korean armada, whether that's scan, sonstar, or FlaSh. You couldn't design a better tournament for a viewer perspective aside from having it be a tournament that's seen as a "major" in the way that TSL or ISL was.
From a player perspective, what are players not getting? If the answer is money, I think it's unrealistic to expect a greater amount of money, there aren't yet big sponsors or anyone capable of providing money. $100/tour is greater payout than even most defiler tours. The map pool is solid and reasonable. What is unsatisfying as a player?
Well i think it's frustrating for every foreigner to get defeated by Scan over and over, and watch him get almost everytime the 1st place without that much effort into defeating everyone, i mean he's far above foreigners so they feel he doesn't belong at this tournaments, he belongs at Korean clan wars, and tours where the level is much higher. And let's face it, Scan is at the level of a profesional player because he has trained and get advices from other pros, or ex pro Korean players in order to improve beyond amateur players, While all the foreigners are amateur. So in a tournament where 99% of the people are amateur it's obvious that almost everyone would feel rejection to participate when they let a profesional participate and they don't get a chance to get to the semifinals or finals if they're on the wrong side of the bracket. That's why in any sports profesionals and amateur players play in different divisions.
They don't in bike racing. There are obviously some pro only races, but most races that allow amateurs are P-1-2, meaning pros and the top 2 categories of amateurs. Pros show up sometimes, and nobody has a problem with it. In fact, usually it's a nice opportunity to get tested by people who are stronger and more experienced than you. Not to mention riding with better riders is great for becoming better yourself, just as playing starcraft against better players helps you improve. Not to mention it's great fun to play against fantastic players that are above your level.
On June 12 2017 09:28 FilthyRake wrote: Well, my current plan is to only run 3 more of these. So, trutaCz, soon you wont have to worry about me giving money to other people, since it wont be going into the BW scene at all. Congratulations?
I dont worry about you giving money to other people. Congratulations? For who? For me? How is it about me? I play tournaments for money and the competition, but you need to realize that tournament will survive without me, but it will not survive without the other guys.... There is a ton of people who lost interest in playing and watching. They just dont speak here as i do, and from what i know they have similiar opinion to mine. If you wanted to have your tour running well you should care about people's opinions, it can not work otherwise, not in the still small community of bw players. You guys have a lot of experience from SC2 i believe, but these games and communities and rules used to be hell different. Last but not least you can have both, koreans in tournament and a great tournament. Having Scan here makes a lot of people not interested, so if you want to have both you need to offer something for them. Defiler had Scan for years, and i think it was/it is a successful tournament.
On June 12 2017 09:28 FilthyRake wrote: Well, my current plan is to only run 3 more of these. So, trutaCz, soon you wont have to worry about me giving money to other people, since it wont be going into the BW scene at all. Congratulations?
i think the congratulations was not necessary.I think is ironic the SC2 version of filthy is region lock,where the skill is not so different,if i train this game for 1-2 months i should be fighting for the finals already... in BW the skill from Korean/foreigners is huge.watch every single WCG was won by a Korean.watch any pre BW league there was always korean restriction. in the portal Defiler.ru They are proly the most BW supporter community,they allow koreans to play in tournaments in the main tour called defiler tour,and this is ok since you are testing yourself from time to time in 1 tourney.they host many type of tourneys and they also host only rus tourneys and they are pretty cool to watch.I think based in the comments from many posters the Scan participation is looking amazing.but my question is.WHY ALL THE PLAYERS WANTING TO PLAY SCAN ARE NOT COMMING TO PLAY ANY TOURNEY ???Why i have more than 50 viewers complaining everytime on my stream about scan participation.people are hating Scan so much that i also loss my mind this weekend and started to flame him even if i had prepared myself to not care about this anymore.And u know what ?this was a big waste of potential.u could have a more interesting event with a lot of closer games (good games,cuz there are many talented foreigners) a big player pool,more exposure for foreigners.less complains.and maybe a more friendly korean time tourney like 3 tourneys only kor and then 1 open for all korean friendly time,(not 4 am in Korea) where u will have talented semipros like Shinee Beast etc.Who wants to get smashed against Tyson if you weight 68kg ? over and over and over and over.I also read how some people said,is good to have Scan in tourneys since you will skill up.I mean.i need to die 3 times to match scans skill.his zerg race alone is already better than mine.just look how he destroyed Bonyth zvp in the defiler tour final.But yeah thanks for hosting the tourneys.thanks to the complainers that atm are the only people coming.is funny cuz we are coming to you guys dont cancel the tourneys.but yeah...for next the weekend i wish you all saying that you love playing Scan come register and play for the first time.
To be fair, no NA person gets into the finals either. If I only allow NA players now what? Europe is too good for NA.
I think no matter how I dice my regions up, one region will always win because of some reason.
The sad thing is, we made different prizepool so more people made money. We've had Bonyth win vs Scan. Sonstar, the other korean who used to show up, stopped showing up because he kept losing. Yet all I hear is complaints about Scan. I feel like i'm not being told to ban korea, im being told to ban Scan.
It happens in every tournament. Hell in New York City LANs people wanted to ban Pokebunny from showing up because he kept winning every SC2 tournament.
In old SC2 tournaments I used to cast that were NA only, players from Korea would just make smurfs and still enter. It's SO HARD to region-lock online tournaments.I'm not willing to put in the effort, im lazy. But I'm putting money into the scene. Eon, Trutacz, etc, you've all made money from these tournaments but every chance you get you say "Oh im done not playing"
This scene makes it so hard for people to just put a tournament together and run it without problem. So many people come in and just complain. Makes me really wonder what killed foreign Broodwar some times...
Filthy doesn't even play or really watch BW. I convinced him to start holding tournaments and gave him a lot of help in setting up his. He wanted to just put tournaments together because BW doesn't have many. Yet he's tired, and done because even tho we're trying to help this scene with anything just because it's not exactly some players vision, everyone starts complaining and stops playing.
I dunno, man. It's really hard to want to keep making tournaments for this scene. It really is.
@mymslorm i didnt ask expro and exsemipro for advices. I just continued training myself by playing against few steps above my skills(players who are stronger than me, but still has a chance of losing against me). Realizing what i did worse than them and figuring out slowly.
Its like those steam games where AI continues to study the players' playstyle and stuff what it did wrong to improve. For an example, 'hello, neighbor' game. Player has to sneak into the neighbor's house because he is hiding something. Should check out youtube video. Another example i can thnk of is google deepmind alphago. Keep playing learning/analyzing every information it can to get better and better.
I do have couple expro friends, but we dont give advices normally. This is not just for me. Every other expros they dont give advices because sc game like a moving chess/go that every situation is so different and some players committ to bust or expand like crazy with small amount of army. The only advices that players normally give in high level games are probably bad decision making and bad micro in the beginning(small timing att).
On June 12 2017 16:47 SchAmToo wrote: To be fair, no NA person gets into the finals either. If I only allow NA players now what? Europe is too good for NA.
I think no matter how I dice my regions up, one region will always win because of some reason.
The sad thing is, we made different prizepool so more people made money. We've had Bonyth win vs Scan. Sonstar, the other korean who used to show up, stopped showing up because he kept losing. Yet all I hear is complaints about Scan. I feel like i'm not being told to ban korea, im being told to ban Scan.
It happens in every tournament. Hell in New York City LANs people wanted to ban Pokebunny from showing up because he kept winning every SC2 tournament.
In old SC2 tournaments I used to cast that were NA only, players from Korea would just make smurfs and still enter. It's SO HARD to region-lock online tournaments.I'm not willing to put in the effort, im lazy. But I'm putting money into the scene. Eon, Trutacz, etc, you've all made money from these tournaments but every chance you get you say "Oh im done not playing"
This scene makes it so hard for people to just put a tournament together and run it without problem. So many people come in and just complain. Makes me really wonder what killed foreign Broodwar some times...
Filthy doesn't even play or really watch BW. I convinced him to start holding tournaments and gave him a lot of help in setting up his. He wanted to just put tournaments together because BW doesn't have many. Yet he's tired, and done because even tho we're trying to help this scene with anything just because it's not exactly some players vision, everyone starts complaining and stops playing.
I dunno, man. It's really hard to want to keep making tournaments for this scene. It really is.
I might notice why high skilled players who stream their games have some jerk attitude. I had it too when I was young like 5+ years ago. Funny thing is even Koreans who reside at different regions are also having jerk attitude. They didn't normally when they were 'okayish' players.
Another funny thing is foreign community users, including top foreign players are liking Korean players who never had connection with foreign scenes/tours. I wonder if they are gonna act the same or gonna show 2 different faces(because they think they are nice and Scan = shit kid) when they ever start having connection with foreign community.
SchAmToo, we appreciate these events, don`t get it wrong. + Show Spoiler +
I think complaints about Scan were/are a genuine outburst of the good players for many reasons, personally I don`t really care, if he plays or not, I`m just only bothered by his lag from time to time (not that I`d have a chance anyway) :p. I just have 2 questions, not or somewhat related to Filthy / Have at you: 1. In Korea are there online tourneys like these kind? 2. Out of the huge-huge player pool from Korea, how it`s only 1-2 Koreans come to Filthy / Have at you / Defiler?
I think boycotting these tourneys in order to remove Scan is unfair because he has contributed a good amount to the foreign community.
Correct me if im wrong but he shares his replays, he gives tips on the strategy forum (even writes guides) and he streams on twitch for foreigners (of course i realize that he gains something by doing this as well, its a 2 way street but in the end foreign viewers were able to have a place to interact and experience high level BW games).
But at the same time i can understand the foreign players and how frustrating this must be for them, it's a tough spot to be it. I think maybe you guys should just hold off on hosting any more tourneys until remastered comes out and the player base explodes. We'll have more than enough players/viewers to support tourneys when that happens.
Same discussion over and over again. What's the point of bringing it up again? Each side has made their their statements, we were heard. There is no point demotivating sponsors. It just feels bad, u know, when u do something good, but u receive a lot of criticism, because u did sth wrong on the way.
What Schamtoo and Filthy do are great for the scene. I appreciate it. These kind of tours are way better than no tours. Don't get me wrong, I still think what I think regarding the subject. I still think being born in Korea gets u a significant advantage in SC:BW over other countries. Nevertheless, I wrote about it before and I'm not going into this mess again.
So, we, BroodWar community appreciate your tournaments, because it's a great thing for us to have. I'm sure other players appreciate it as well but just have a tendency to bash something that is not perfect. It's like u make lots of cakes for us, but there are never cherries on it :D
On June 12 2017 18:40 noname_ wrote: 1. In Korea are there online tourneys like these kind? 2. Out of the huge-huge player pool from Korea, how it`s only 1-2 Koreans come to Filthy / Have at you / Defiler?
in response to number 2: language barrier and koreans aren't willing to play in tournaments at 3 in the morning.
you know i wouldn't actually mind seeing a foreign-ran tournament for korean 'star' players. i mean if we got ajae vs foreign all-stars going why wouldn't a monthly work?
On June 12 2017 19:02 Bonyth wrote: What Schamtoo and Filthy do are great for the scene. I appreciate it. These kind of tours are way better than no tours. Don't get me wrong, I still think what I think regarding the subject. I still think being born in Korea gets u a significant advantage in SC:BW over other countries. Nevertheless, I wrote about it before and I'm not going into this mess again.
This has to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You must be using this as a figure of speech or something because otherwise it flies in the face of logic, reason, evidence, science, common sense, and rationality.
The reaction from trutacz/eonzerg in this thread is cringeworthy. Stop whining about not winning and get better. If you think the viewers of these tournaments are upset because you're not winning, you're hilariously wrong. Nobody cares about you personally, until you start winning. Sorry. Your stream viewers might sympathize with you once in a while, but people watch these tournaments cause they love Brood War, not because they love you .
On June 12 2017 19:02 Bonyth wrote: What Schamtoo and Filthy do are great for the scene. I appreciate it. These kind of tours are way better than no tours. Don't get me wrong, I still think what I think regarding the subject. I still think being born in Korea gets u a significant advantage in SC:BW over other countries. Nevertheless, I wrote about it before and I'm not going into this mess again.
This has to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You must be using this as a figure of speech or something because otherwise it flies in the face of logic, reason, evidence, science, common sense, and rationality.
The reaction from trutacz/bonyth/eonzerg in this thread is cringeworthy. Stop whining about not winning and get better. If you think the viewers of these tournaments are upset because you're not winning, you're hilariously wrong. Nobody cares about you personally, until you start winning. Sorry. Your stream viewers might sympathize with you once in a while, but people watch these tournaments cause they love Brood War, not because they love you .
Wow... You don't need to be aggresive... What meant Bonyth is that if you are born in korea you have access way easier to any other country to starcraft, you can watch way more starcraft, play on fish without lag and speak with koreans to ask and give advices.
"Stop whining about winning and get better" That sums it up pretty well. If you're complaining about one player being too good... Practice more? I don't think being born in Korea gives you a significant advantage, if any. Being able to practice the game for 12-15 hours a day will surely give you an advantage over the players who are only able to play a few hours a day. The reason Scan is so good compared to the others is due to the amount of practice he's put into the game. His understanding for the game, his game sense, his multitasking, his apm. 'Top foreigners' are behind Scan in every category listed above. How can you expect to win a game or a series of games vs a player who is WAY more mechanically sound than you? Rather than complaining about him being too good, how about work on your mechanics?
On June 12 2017 19:02 Bonyth wrote: What Schamtoo and Filthy do are great for the scene. I appreciate it. These kind of tours are way better than no tours. Don't get me wrong, I still think what I think regarding the subject. I still think being born in Korea gets u a significant advantage in SC:BW over other countries. Nevertheless, I wrote about it before and I'm not going into this mess again.
This has to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You must be using this as a figure of speech or something because otherwise it flies in the face of logic, reason, evidence, science, common sense, and rationality.
The reaction from trutacz/bonyth/eonzerg in this thread is cringeworthy. Stop whining about not winning and get better. If you think the viewers of these tournaments are upset because you're not winning, you're hilariously wrong. Nobody cares about you personally, until you start winning. Sorry. Your stream viewers might sympathize with you once in a while, but people watch these tournaments cause they love Brood War, not because they love you .
I disliked alot what some of the foreign 'pros' said here but this has to be the most stupid comment of the whole thread.
First: Bonyth obviously meant, that if you are born in Korea you just have better options to practise. Be it better training partners, easier accessibility to reaplays or whatever.
Second: Of all the people you say this to, you pull this shit on Bonyth? If you ask me who is the one pro in this thread(s) who isn't whining about Scan, is pretty constructive in his criticism, appreciates the series and is still playing the tournaments (if he has time) it's Bonyth (I know there are others).
Your comment shows that you haven't bothered to keep up with this thread and the tournament series as a whole.
On June 12 2017 19:02 Bonyth wrote: What Schamtoo and Filthy do are great for the scene. I appreciate it. These kind of tours are way better than no tours. Don't get me wrong, I still think what I think regarding the subject. I still think being born in Korea gets u a significant advantage in SC:BW over other countries. Nevertheless, I wrote about it before and I'm not going into this mess again.
This has to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You must be using this as a figure of speech or something because otherwise it flies in the face of logic, reason, evidence, science, common sense, and rationality.
The reaction from trutacz/bonyth/eonzerg in this thread is cringeworthy. Stop whining about not winning and get better. If you think the viewers of these tournaments are upset because you're not winning, you're hilariously wrong. Nobody cares about you personally, until you start winning. Sorry. Your stream viewers might sympathize with you once in a while, but people watch these tournaments cause they love Brood War, not because they love you .
I disliked alot what some of the foreign 'pros' said here but this has to be the most stupid comment of the whole thread.
First: Bonyth obviously meant, that if you are born in Korea you just have better options to practise. Be it better training partners, easier accessibility to reaplays or whatever.
Second: Of all the people you say this to, you pull this shit on Bonyth? If you ask me who is the one pro in this thread(s) who isn't whining about Scan, is pretty constructive in his criticism, appreciates the series and is still playing the tournaments (if he has time) it's Bonyth (I know there are others).
Your comment shows that you haven't bothered to keep up with this thread and the tournament series as a whole.
I 'pulled this shit on Bonyth' because he made the insane comment that somehow the geographical location of your birth determines your skill at anything. What Bonyth 'obviously meant' isn't so 'obvious' to everyone.
The problem with your assessment though is the implication that all forms of community growth, scene enhancement, getting better at starcraft, springs from interactions with and information from Koreans. They don't have a monopoly on the ability to get better at Starcraft. What there is, however, is a lack of people outside of SK doing anything resembling deliberate practice. Our best foreigners are basically what Koreans would call casuals, they've just been doing it for 10 years.
It's akin to someone playing piano for fun for 20 years. After a decade or so, they'll be passable amateurs, they'll certainly look good to people who haven't played piano before, but professionals will know they've never deliberately practiced.
And then there's the small pond problem. Yeah, the foreigner scene suffers from a small pond. There's an artificial skill ceiling cause nobody in this scene does the real work to break out of the 'foreigner' skill level. So you're just intermixing with people who have equally limited skill ceiling. MindGamesWeldon talks about this for TSM and League of Legends, but that scene is a lot healthier than ours.
On June 12 2017 19:02 Bonyth wrote: What Schamtoo and Filthy do are great for the scene. I appreciate it. These kind of tours are way better than no tours. Don't get me wrong, I still think what I think regarding the subject. I still think being born in Korea gets u a significant advantage in SC:BW over other countries. Nevertheless, I wrote about it before and I'm not going into this mess again.
This has to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You must be using this as a figure of speech or something because otherwise it flies in the face of logic, reason, evidence, science, common sense, and rationality.
The reaction from trutacz/bonyth/eonzerg in this thread is cringeworthy. Stop whining about not winning and get better. If you think the viewers of these tournaments are upset because you're not winning, you're hilariously wrong. Nobody cares about you personally, until you start winning. Sorry. Your stream viewers might sympathize with you once in a while, but people watch these tournaments cause they love Brood War, not because they love you .
What is stupid about that? You try to deny that? It's a fact. A known fact and I totally agree that you have an advantage being Korean, having access to Korean scene, clans, practice partners and other stuff. Go through all of the international tournaments, including WCGs and tell me that Koreans didn't dominate people from around the globe. There were times that foreigners were pretty close to Korean level or had some good games (Fisheye, Draco, Blackman, Android and many others) but you cannot decline the fact that being Korean helps YOU BY A LOT.
On June 12 2017 19:02 Bonyth wrote: What Schamtoo and Filthy do are great for the scene. I appreciate it. These kind of tours are way better than no tours. Don't get me wrong, I still think what I think regarding the subject. I still think being born in Korea gets u a significant advantage in SC:BW over other countries. Nevertheless, I wrote about it before and I'm not going into this mess again.
This has to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You must be using this as a figure of speech or something because otherwise it flies in the face of logic, reason, evidence, science, common sense, and rationality.
The reaction from trutacz/bonyth/eonzerg in this thread is cringeworthy. Stop whining about not winning and get better. If you think the viewers of these tournaments are upset because you're not winning, you're hilariously wrong. Nobody cares about you personally, until you start winning. Sorry. Your stream viewers might sympathize with you once in a while, but people watch these tournaments cause they love Brood War, not because they love you .
What is stupid about that? You try to deny that? It's a fact. A known fact and I totally agree that you have an advantage being Korean, having access to Korean scene, clans, practice partners and other stuff. Go through all of the international tournaments, including WCGs and tell me that Koreans didn't dominate people from around the globe. There were times that foreigners were pretty close to Korean level or had some good games (Fisheye, Draco, Blackman, Android and many others) but you cannot decline the fact that being Korean helps YOU BY A LOT.
Correlation is not causation. It's not a fact, it's actually scientifically (and logically, common sensibly) false.
I mean, I really dont see the point in these discussions continuing.
I am *not* discontinuing the Filthy BW Cup due to low player turnout.
I am *not* discontinuing the Filthy BW Cup due to low viewership on stream.
I am *not* discontinuing the Filthy BW Cup due to lack of money or resources.
I *AM* discontinuing the Filthy BW Cup due to the constant complaining of the foreign players.
I'm really bummed about this. I wanted to keep these going through the release of Remastered, and put a lot of additional funds/effort behind growing it. I have Day[9] lined up and ready to cast some of these (dont worry, I'm gonna get him to cast one before we call it quits). I really wanted to make this work.
Sadly, the community made running these events *suck* for me, and its not like I was getting any return on this in the first place. Each of these events costs me $50-$100 to run (depending on how good people are about using matcherino codes), and I might make $1 in revenue from the stream. So if everyone wants to make me miserable, why bother wasting my time?
Now, as for my own involvement (and PSISTORM Gaming's) going forward in the BW/Remastered scene? It is too early to say. If the scene picks up, the team might sign a pro player to our roster. I can tell you one thing for certain, however. If we do, it wont be a foreign player.
Regarding the region locking on my SC2 tournaments. It is not super relevant to the discussion, honestly. I started those as region locked, in a time when there were just no NA tournaments. There are lots of them now, so I relaxed it from NA to "Americas", with 1 week in every 4 being completely open. I actually would love to remove all the region locking from the events, and it is something I've been thinking about for quite a while. I havent done it yet because, historically, my Global events have had double prize pools/etc.. and I am not sure if I would maintain that if every week is Global. There are also considerations with the sponsors of that event that have to be sorted out before I could make that decision.
In any event - these tours will continue through July 2nd. If you want to play in them in the meantime and get some free money, awesome - go nuts! Have fun! Just quit wasting my time with all the complaining.
you are telling me he cancel the tourneys cuz trutacz and eonzerg complain ?why not just ban us ?or is a fact that almost every top players is just not motivated to play ?
We are the only guys that care to tell whats going on.just look the list of players missing in every tourney.and we are not telling anyone hey dont come dont play...
On June 12 2017 23:57 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: you are telling me he cancel the tourneys cuz trutacz and eonzerg complain ?why not just ban us ?or is a fact that almost every top players is just not motivated to play ?
The fact that players complain so much that I would need to ban them to keep my sanity is an excellent sign to me that this isnt a community I want to keep working with.
On June 12 2017 23:57 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: you are telling me he cancel the tourneys cuz trutacz and eonzerg complain ?why not just ban us ?or is a fact that almost every top players is just not motivated to play ?
The fact that players complain so much that I would need to ban them to keep my sanity is an excellent sign to me that this isnt a community I want to keep working with.
I wouldnt say that generalizing the entire community from 3 people who play BW is a good idea.
Then again, I am way more surprised you're not cancelling this right now, esp with all the posts going on right now.
On June 12 2017 23:57 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: you are telling me he cancel the tourneys cuz trutacz and eonzerg complain ?why not just ban us ?or is a fact that almost every top players is just not motivated to play ?
The fact that players complain so much that I would need to ban them to keep my sanity is an excellent sign to me that this isnt a community I want to keep working with.
if i made you feel bad for telling you Koreans in BW are much much much more skilled than foreigners and is not a fair competition.i really apologize to you.by any means i wanted to to hurt your mental health. i also recommend to you be more strong too.i dont think it reached a very exagerated lvl of complains to you break down like this.but im really sorry i did this to you.the last i wanted is hurt a person.
On June 13 2017 00:11 supernovamaniac wrote: Then again, I am way more surprised you're not cancelling this right now, esp with all the posts going on right now.
It has been way more than just the 3 folks you're seeing in the thread. The number of whispers and other crap I've gotten as well have been pretty insane.
On June 13 2017 00:12 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: if i made you feel bad for telling you Koreans in BW are much much much more skilled than foreigners and is not a fair competition.i really apologize to you.by any means i wanted to to hurt your mental health. i also recommend to you be more strong too.i dont think it reached a very exagerated lvl of complains to you break down like this.but im really sorry i did this to you.the last i wanted is hurt a person.
Dont feel bad for me. You and the other BW guys have saved me $200+ per month! I should be thanking you all.
On June 13 2017 00:11 supernovamaniac wrote: Then again, I am way more surprised you're not cancelling this right now, esp with all the posts going on right now.
It has been way more than just the 3 folks you're seeing in the thread. The number of whispers and other crap I've gotten as well have been pretty insane.
Right, forgot that everything I see isnt actually everything.
On June 12 2017 23:51 FilthyRake wrote: I mean, I really dont see the point in these discussions continuing.
I am *not* discontinuing the Filthy BW Cup due to low player turnout.
I am *not* discontinuing the Filthy BW Cup due to low viewership on stream.
I am *not* discontinuing the Filthy BW Cup due to lack of money or resources.
I *AM* discontinuing the Filthy BW Cup due to the constant complaining of the foreign players.
I'm really bummed about this. I wanted to keep these going through the release of Remastered, and put a lot of additional funds/effort behind growing it. I have Day[9] lined up and ready to cast some of these (dont worry, I'm gonna get him to cast one before we call it quits). I really wanted to make this work.
Sadly, the community made running these events *suck* for me, and its not like I was getting any return on this in the first place. Each of these events costs me $50-$100 to run (depending on how good people are about using matcherino codes), and I might make $1 in revenue from the stream. So if everyone wants to make me miserable, why bother wasting my time?
Now, as for my own involvement (and PSISTORM Gaming's) going forward in the BW/Remastered scene? It is too early to say. If the scene picks up, the team might sign a pro player to our roster. I can tell you one thing for certain, however. If we do, it wont be a foreign player.
Regarding the region locking on my SC2 tournaments. It is not super relevant to the discussion, honestly. I started those as region locked, in a time when there were just no NA tournaments. There are lots of them now, so I relaxed it from NA to "Americas", with 1 week in every 4 being completely open. I actually would love to remove all the region locking from the events, and it is something I've been thinking about for quite a while. I havent done it yet because, historically, my Global events have had double prize pools/etc.. and I am not sure if I would maintain that if every week is Global. There are also considerations with the sponsors of that event that have to be sorted out before I could make that decision.
In any event - these tours will continue through July 2nd. If you want to play in them in the meantime and get some free money, awesome - go nuts! Have fun! Just quit wasting my time with all the complaining.
On June 12 2017 23:51 FilthyRake wrote: I mean, I really dont see the point in these discussions continuing.
I am *not* discontinuing the Filthy BW Cup due to low player turnout.
I am *not* discontinuing the Filthy BW Cup due to low viewership on stream.
I am *not* discontinuing the Filthy BW Cup due to lack of money or resources.
I *AM* discontinuing the Filthy BW Cup due to the constant complaining of the foreign players.
I'm really bummed about this. I wanted to keep these going through the release of Remastered, and put a lot of additional funds/effort behind growing it. I have Day[9] lined up and ready to cast some of these (dont worry, I'm gonna get him to cast one before we call it quits). I really wanted to make this work.
Sadly, the community made running these events *suck* for me, and its not like I was getting any return on this in the first place. Each of these events costs me $50-$100 to run (depending on how good people are about using matcherino codes), and I might make $1 in revenue from the stream. So if everyone wants to make me miserable, why bother wasting my time?
Now, as for my own involvement (and PSISTORM Gaming's) going forward in the BW/Remastered scene? It is too early to say. If the scene picks up, the team might sign a pro player to our roster. I can tell you one thing for certain, however. If we do, it wont be a foreign player.
Regarding the region locking on my SC2 tournaments. It is not super relevant to the discussion, honestly. I started those as region locked, in a time when there were just no NA tournaments. There are lots of them now, so I relaxed it from NA to "Americas", with 1 week in every 4 being completely open. I actually would love to remove all the region locking from the events, and it is something I've been thinking about for quite a while. I havent done it yet because, historically, my Global events have had double prize pools/etc.. and I am not sure if I would maintain that if every week is Global. There are also considerations with the sponsors of that event that have to be sorted out before I could make that decision.
In any event - these tours will continue through July 2nd. If you want to play in them in the meantime and get some free money, awesome - go nuts! Have fun! Just quit wasting my time with all the complaining.
Soon maybe:D im i will be other skill and u stop?t.t.t..t.t he JOKE ?:D But one thing. Foreigner never cant play asl,afreeca(of course i teach korean and go live korea simple :D) and idk what more event here korea(china when i play not remember tour name 10 hours need to fix and still high,extra high lat i was not happy :D) we have few events and small and i see one chingchangchung win all time? maybe bad and not truth. i understand scan A lot of time and energy and deserves it To get something There are possibilities him much more than foreigner. If you want to be fair or anyone There is no place korean for foreigner tournaments. If once bw gets attention as sc2 I would not care im rape all korean!!!! :D ok This is only 1 review Not to be outraged ! thxxx all That they were here I hope you will still be whatever will be glhfgg .
Btw, SonStar is Korean, a semipro. His name is 최진영(Choi, Jinyoung/yeong). He also made up to ASL Busan qualifiers finals, but lost to guemchi 2-1.
I believe he won 1 tour(very first tour?), but failed rest of the tours that he participated. Quite not sure why he stopped playing, and no one was really complaining about him.
And I hear from a few people yelling at me that why I couldn't make it.
On June 13 2017 00:41 BLinD-RawR wrote: I enjoyed this series and I hope you reconsider your decision in the future FilthyRake.
or if nothing else, just back some guy whos willing to carry on the torch.
I may add some funding to Schamtoo's tour - I am undecided on that point right now, but I've been considering it. That said, it honestly just feels *bad* to support these guys right now, you know?
If anyone wonders why foreigners can't play at Korean levels or at least come close, direct them to this thread and show them the foreigner's mentality at this game.
Also, people should stop using the term "foreign pros", this is anything but "professional" mindset that any pro players should have.
On June 12 2017 23:24 EndingLife wrote: "Stop whining about winning and get better" That sums it up pretty well. If you're complaining about one player being too good... Practice more? I don't think being born in Korea gives you a significant advantage, if any. Being able to practice the game for 12-15 hours a day will surely give you an advantage over the players who are only able to play a few hours a day. The reason Scan is so good compared to the others is due to the amount of practice he's put into the game. His understanding for the game, his game sense, his multitasking, his apm. 'Top foreigners' are behind Scan in every category listed above. How can you expect to win a game or a series of games vs a player who is WAY more mechanically sound than you? Rather than complaining about him being too good, how about work on your mechanics?
I used to be when I was young, but I am not taking that much of serious into the game and practicing massively. Although if I can play with good players to practice with, I just do so.
Quantity>Quality If you want to specifically improve multitasking/optimizing and stuff.
Quality>Quantity If you want to MAINTAIN overall skill.
On June 13 2017 01:18 supernovamaniac wrote: If anyone wonders why foreigners can't play at Korean levels or at least come close, direct them to this thread and show them the foreigner's mentality at this game.
Also, people should stop using the term "foreign pros", this is anything but "professional" mindset that any pro players should have.
sponsors me and u can see foreigner level and mentality
You've got it backwards. Nobody cares about whiny has beens until they prove they have the mentality to improve and become worth the money.
On June 13 2017 01:18 supernovamaniac wrote: If anyone wonders why foreigners can't play at Korean levels or at least come close, direct them to this thread and show them the foreigner's mentality at this game.
Also, people should stop using the term "foreign pros", this is anything but "professional" mindset that any pro players should have.
e-Sports cultural difference with mindset I would say. In sports, they just have to improve without any disturbance. Just get better. Make a new record.
I even saw a YouTube video that one commentator was analyzing and telling stories why Koreans are so dominant in games.
On June 13 2017 01:18 supernovamaniac wrote: If anyone wonders why foreigners can't play at Korean levels or at least come close, direct them to this thread and show them the foreigner's mentality at this game.
Also, people should stop using the term "foreign pros", this is anything but "professional" mindset that any pro players should have.
please do not assume all foreigners are the same. i fucking hate this bitching for the last 4 years. this alone destroyed my fun with bw.
On June 13 2017 01:18 supernovamaniac wrote: If anyone wonders why foreigners can't play at Korean levels or at least come close, direct them to this thread and show them the foreigner's mentality at this game.
Also, people should stop using the term "foreign pros", this is anything but "professional" mindset that any pro players should have.
What pro players..We are just better than the average casual players yet still behind from korean semi pros... and the word pro plays a role when you are getting paid for it.i dont think that even applies for Koreans right now witha fixed salary.
On June 13 2017 01:18 supernovamaniac wrote: If anyone wonders why foreigners can't play at Korean levels or at least come close, direct them to this thread and show them the foreigner's mentality at this game.
Also, people should stop using the term "foreign pros", this is anything but "professional" mindset that any pro players should have.
please do not assume all foreigners are the same. i fucking hate this bitching for the last 4 years. this alone destroyed my fun with bw.
Sorry for generalizing (u cool bakuryu), but I am really getting pissed off to a point where I am just giving up hope for any top foreigner.
With current mindset, I dont see any "top" player being able to win a tournament when all they yell is "I can't beat this player from Korea, plz ban."
On June 13 2017 01:18 supernovamaniac wrote: If anyone wonders why foreigners can't play at Korean levels or at least come close, direct them to this thread and show them the foreigner's mentality at this game.
Also, people should stop using the term "foreign pros", this is anything but "professional" mindset that any pro players should have.
please do not assume all foreigners are the same. i fucking hate this bitching for the last 4 years. this alone destroyed my fun with bw.
Sorry for generalizing (u cool bakuryu), but I am really getting pissed off to a point where I am just giving up hope for any top foreigner.
With current mindset, I dont see any "top" player being able to win a tournament when all they yell is "I can't beat this player from Korea, plz ban."
it doesnt make sense,i and others also recommended to put the tourney in a more friendly time to invite others koreans too.(right now it is 4 am in Korea) will you not love to see Shinee vs scan or beast vs Scan ?im sure i will.
On June 13 2017 01:18 supernovamaniac wrote: If anyone wonders why foreigners can't play at Korean levels or at least come close, direct them to this thread and show them the foreigner's mentality at this game.
Also, people should stop using the term "foreign pros", this is anything but "professional" mindset that any pro players should have.
please do not assume all foreigners are the same. i fucking hate this bitching for the last 4 years. this alone destroyed my fun with bw.
Sorry for generalizing (u cool bakuryu), but I am really getting pissed off to a point where I am just giving up hope for any top foreigner.
With current mindset, I dont see any "top" player being able to win a tournament when all they yell is "I can't beat this player from Korea, plz ban."
Seriously ? That's all you can remember from this discussion ? Pro (or top foreigner, i don't care how we call them) crying ?
You didn't see any others arguments ?
Guys, you can't have an open mind even if you disagree with someone ? I was for a ban from Scan to this tournament and i'm still but i can understand you guys who wants Scan in this tournament. How can't you understand those want a ban ? Is this that stupid from them ? They are just crying ? really ?
I think it's always good to discuss problems and foreign community really need a good talk but stop being an asshole and try to understand each other before writing bullshits.
On June 13 2017 01:18 supernovamaniac wrote: If anyone wonders why foreigners can't play at Korean levels or at least come close, direct them to this thread and show them the foreigner's mentality at this game.
Also, people should stop using the term "foreign pros", this is anything but "professional" mindset that any pro players should have.
please do not assume all foreigners are the same. i fucking hate this bitching for the last 4 years. this alone destroyed my fun with bw.
Sorry for generalizing (u cool bakuryu), but I am really getting pissed off to a point where I am just giving up hope for any top foreigner.
With current mindset, I dont see any "top" player being able to win a tournament when all they yell is "I can't beat this player from Korea, plz ban."
Seriously ? That's all you can remember from this discussion ? Pro (or top foreigner, i don't care how we call them) crying ?
You didn't see any others arguments ?
Guys, you can't have an open mind even if you disagree with someone ? I was for a ban from Scan to this tournament and i'm still but i can understand you guys who wants Scan in this tournament. How can't you understand those want a ban ? Is this that stupid from them ? They are just crying ? really ?
I think it's always good to discuss problems and foreign community really need a good talk but stop being an asshole and try to understand each other before writing bullshits.
... we do understand the argument, it's just childish and whiny and we don't have patience for it.
On June 13 2017 01:18 supernovamaniac wrote: If anyone wonders why foreigners can't play at Korean levels or at least come close, direct them to this thread and show them the foreigner's mentality at this game.
Also, people should stop using the term "foreign pros", this is anything but "professional" mindset that any pro players should have.
please do not assume all foreigners are the same. i fucking hate this bitching for the last 4 years. this alone destroyed my fun with bw.
Sorry for generalizing (u cool bakuryu), but I am really getting pissed off to a point where I am just giving up hope for any top foreigner.
With current mindset, I dont see any "top" player being able to win a tournament when all they yell is "I can't beat this player from Korea, plz ban."
Seriously ? That's all you can remember from this discussion ? Pro (or top foreigner, i don't care how we call them) crying ?
You didn't see any others arguments ?
Guys, you can't have an open mind even if you disagree with someone ? I was for a ban from Scan to this tournament and i'm still but i can understand you guys who wants Scan in this tournament. How can't you understand those want a ban ? Is this that stupid from them ? They are just crying ? really ?
I think it's always good to discuss problems and foreign community really need a good talk but stop being an asshole and try to understand each other before writing bullshits.
When the pro ban-korean fraction starts to bitch every single time (even tho the organizer heart the arguments and made his decission), sent hateful messages to the organizer, and make personal attacks on the Korean participating, it's kinda hard to have a decent discussion.
Sorry, i was on vacation this time and couldn't join tourney.
Sunday time is not comfortable for me: Sunday, Jun 11 10:00pm MSK (GMT+03:00). Can we move tourney time some hours downwards? For example 07:00pm MSK (GMT+03:00)? With this move we can get more EU players to play there also.
Those guys who complain about koreans have no sportsmanship.
Let's make fun, not complain :D
P.S. Defiler tour have never been non-korean tour. Since Yoda (defiler.ru founder) had started to host defiler tours he restricted to ban koreans. Next defiler tour has another sponsor so he made his choice to make it non-korean.
On June 13 2017 01:52 iFU.spx wrote: Sorry, i was on vacation this time and couldn't join tourney.
Sunday time is not comfortable for me: Sunday, Jun 11 10:00pm MSK (GMT+03:00). Can we move tourney time some hours downwards? For example 07:00pm MSK (GMT+03:00)? With this move we can get more EU players to play there also.
Those guys who complain about koreans have no sportsmanship.
Let's make fun, not complain :D
P.S. Defiler tour have never been non-korean tour. Since Yoda (defiler.ru founder) had started to host defiler tours he restricted to ban koreans. Next defiler tour has another sponsor so he made his choice to make it non-korean.
Unfortunately, Schamtoo and I are both on the west coast of the US. That would put the start time at 9am for us. While I am an early riser and could probably work with that - Schamtoo isnt :D
I definitely understand that that is late/on an awkward day for our European players... Honestly, since there are only 3 more of these, I probably wont move it. That said, if we were going to host more I would probably try to find a more EU-friendly time, since you guys make up so much of our regular players.
Has anyone suggested Scan off racing? He's done it before in previous tournaments and that seemed to make people happy. In a bo5 he could play Z,T,Z,T,T. I am personally glad Scan has a tournament to participate in even though I understand the concerns of the other players. A year ago we were watching Scan play bo9's against top players and winning 1 game off of him counted as the foreign player winning the series. At least with off racing the gap will be bridged significantly. Anyway, just a food for thought and am not trying to promote that the tournament change in any fashion besides possibly maps.
On June 13 2017 01:18 supernovamaniac wrote: If anyone wonders why foreigners can't play at Korean levels or at least come close, direct them to this thread and show them the foreigner's mentality at this game.
Also, people should stop using the term "foreign pros", this is anything but "professional" mindset that any pro players should have.
Yes, poor mindset is the reason foreigners aren't at the same level as Korean pros. Not the decade of competitive training environments with full time organized practice and coaching. Will you be winning the next tournament with your superior mentality, SNM?
On June 13 2017 01:18 supernovamaniac wrote: If anyone wonders why foreigners can't play at Korean levels or at least come close, direct them to this thread and show them the foreigner's mentality at this game.
Also, people should stop using the term "foreign pros", this is anything but "professional" mindset that any pro players should have.
Yes, poor mindset is the reason foreigners aren't at the same level as Korean pros. Not the decade of competitive training environments with full time organized practice and coaching. Will you be winning the next tournament with your superior mentality, SNM?
but scan never was a pro? As in he never benefited from the organized environment and still is way above other foreigners which started the whole debate.
On June 13 2017 01:18 supernovamaniac wrote: If anyone wonders why foreigners can't play at Korean levels or at least come close, direct them to this thread and show them the foreigner's mentality at this game.
Also, people should stop using the term "foreign pros", this is anything but "professional" mindset that any pro players should have.
Yes, poor mindset is the reason foreigners aren't at the same level as Korean pros. Not the decade of competitive training environments with full time organized practice and coaching. Will you be winning the next tournament with your superior mentality, SNM?
Mentality is as critical to performance as mechanics and strategy. Top level foreigners lack all three. A competitive environment, full time practice, coaching, these things only benefit people with strong mentality. Otherwise IdrA would have succeeded in Korea.
On June 13 2017 01:18 supernovamaniac wrote: If anyone wonders why foreigners can't play at Korean levels or at least come close, direct them to this thread and show them the foreigner's mentality at this game.
Also, people should stop using the term "foreign pros", this is anything but "professional" mindset that any pro players should have.
Yes, poor mindset is the reason foreigners aren't at the same level as Korean pros. Not the decade of competitive training environments with full time organized practice and coaching. Will you be winning the next tournament with your superior mentality, SNM?
but scan never was a pro? As in he never benefited from the organized environment and still is way above other foreigners which started the whole debate.
A-team pros aren't the only ones who benefitted from Korea's professional Starcraft scene. The A team players trained with B teamers and practice partners who also played on the Korean public servers. A much larger active player base and shared knowledge about the game is a completely different environment from the foreign scene which has been stagnant. Semi-pros on Fish have been practicing for years and refining their strategies and mechanics while top foreigners switched to SC2 or can't find games on iCCup and go inactive, and until recently had to reference builds from inaccurate Liquipedia articles copied from a 360p livestream 10 years ago.
How come noobs who didnt achieve anything in bw try to judge way better players, players who are in the scene for years. Why do you people express your bullshit here about foreigners compared to koreans, why they suck, "get better". Just please keep your mouth closed if you know a shit about this... The army of internet forum trolls, who know literally zero about this game.
Me complaining? Heard about critism which comes from the fact that it's getting worse and worse?
Moving it to 1.18 would definetely help since blizzard almost forced everyone to play there.
LOL I think saying a few players salty mentality is the reason Foreign != Korea is a bit drastic. No one in the right mind should make that 1 to 1 allusion. I would say it definitely doesn't help though.
As for 1.18: I'm going to make the new ruleset for 1.18 tonight. If people are down to move to 1.18 we can do it this weekend or next. Keep in mind a few things:
Server would have to be like US-West/US-East for a meeting point between EU and Korea, while this sounds awful, the server selection is ONLY to make a game. Once you're in game it's purely Peer2Peer and that server doesn't matter (If i've been told correctly.
Some people are having many problems with 1.18 still so we may have complaints of bugs/problems. Not sure how this will be handled.
If I'm moving to 1.18, i'm definitely going to try live-casting each series since the net-code is a bit more stable.
I agree with Trutacz, if you're not a competitive player don't try and make this some sort of "this is why you people will never be good" kind of argument.
That's why I'm more saying "This is why people don't want to host tournaments" as opposed to even touching the korea vs foreign argument.
On June 13 2017 01:18 supernovamaniac wrote: If anyone wonders why foreigners can't play at Korean levels or at least come close, direct them to this thread and show them the foreigner's mentality at this game.
Also, people should stop using the term "foreign pros", this is anything but "professional" mindset that any pro players should have.
Yes, poor mindset is the reason foreigners aren't at the same level as Korean pros. Not the decade of competitive training environments with full time organized practice and coaching. Will you be winning the next tournament with your superior mentality, SNM?
Mentality is as critical to performance as mechanics and strategy. Top level foreigners lack all three. A competitive environment, full time practice, coaching, these things only benefit people with strong mentality. Otherwise IdrA would have succeeded in Korea.
If top foreigners lack all three, then improving mentality won't cause them to suddenly beat Koreans. The superior mechanics and strategy are the problem. A competitive, full time practice environment with coaches would benefit everyone, and IdrA is no exception. He became much better after training in Korea.
On June 13 2017 01:18 supernovamaniac wrote: If anyone wonders why foreigners can't play at Korean levels or at least come close, direct them to this thread and show them the foreigner's mentality at this game.
Also, people should stop using the term "foreign pros", this is anything but "professional" mindset that any pro players should have.
Yes, poor mindset is the reason foreigners aren't at the same level as Korean pros. Not the decade of competitive training environments with full time organized practice and coaching. Will you be winning the next tournament with your superior mentality, SNM?
Mentality is as critical to performance as mechanics and strategy. Top level foreigners lack all three. A competitive environment, full time practice, coaching, these things only benefit people with strong mentality. Otherwise IdrA would have succeeded in Korea.
If top foreigners lack all three, then improving mentality won't cause them to suddenly beat Koreans. The superior mechanics and strategy are the problem. A competitive, full time practice environment with coaches would benefit everyone, and IdrA is no exception. He became much better after training in Korea.
Scan had none of these things, so why are trutacz and eonzerg constantly bitching about having to play someone who never had a competitive full time practice environment with coaches? They've had the exact same access to that kind of stuff he has. The foreigner SCENE will never improve because the foreigner SCENE cries about better players than them not being banned from tournaments they want to win.
If these tournaments were foreigner only, should we ban Bonyth if he wins the first one? The second one? Should we just ban all the winners so the losers can feel better about themselves?
Jesus shut the fuck up, just go away from here, you are either retarded or just troll. Stop talking about something u dont know. And i have never been bitching about competing against Scan.
If you do not play in this tournament, and you are not a person who's actively contributing to it, or others like it. Please do not come in here and start fights, continue arguments.
On June 13 2017 01:48 GeckoXp wrote: I'm not quite sure what to make of this or any kind of criticism is welcome anymore.
constructive criticism is always welcome. However, constant harassment and refusal to accept decisions once they've been made isnt.
I'm not quite sure what you expected and I really don't know how to phrase it nicely. Imagine you're a veteran of the scene and care mostly about playing against people, regradless of the rank. Surrounding you are a majority of people who are anything, but active players anymore, but have strong opinions based on watching Korean BW from afar. This is basically the Teamliquid user base in a nutshell. To make matters more complicated, a minority of the posters have a non-BW background and constantly compare other titles (you don't follow) to BW.
To be honest, my first impression of you guys was just like that, not that it would be inherently bad, after all, you tried something out. I was somewhat set back by the only few VODs I saw done by you (I assume, I constantly mix you up with the other guy), as you were mildly bashing on ICCup, while not knowing much of the background.
Thing is, foreigner BW players mind their own business and therefore developed a certain culture. Gratitude is expressed differently and often comes across as stoic and non-saying. I'm rather sure that taCz and eon approached you with well-meant criticism in the past, judging from my experience with them. Mind you, not everyone is a native speaker and grew up in a time in which the internet didn't have a lot of "social justice" rules. Therefore, what's been said often comes across quite harsh in the BW scene, yet it works: see defiler.ru, no moderation at all, yet not much drama compared to this board where generations clash all the time.
What you probably don't know is that nobody really hates on Scan for being "just" good. Scan behaved like a total dick in his first days and all of us were around. He was really a huge pain in the ass. At some point he got more mature and nowadays is a very valueable member of the community. It's still sometimes hard to forget, especially when he goes on a rampage in tours.
What you also don't know is the bad history foreigners had with Korean no-names in the past seven years. Half of them came, behaved like huge jackasses, and won tournaments (see Defiler -> Anfod). Others came and won, due to using hack (see Defiler -> Neagle).
These two circumstances combined make up for a lot of complaints, most of them are justified to a certain extent. The question you faced is whether or not to allow Scan. That's legit. To be honest, I dislike the idea of throwing him out, but I probably would do it, just to make it more level for anyone. Having Scan in while stating "just train more" is a straight up insult, both to Scan and the others. Those guys play hardball for a long time and can take on some of the better Korean amateurs. Yet Scan is beyond the ordinary Korean level, as shown by the scores of SonStar et al.: nowhere near Scan. Those are beatable, even tho nobody likes a Korean flamer around, who has no connection to this scene at all. It took Scan more than five years non-stop training to come where he is now, probably having a better supporting structure. Respect to achieve that, but in reality not doable for any other foreigner. Don't forget that Scan was already very close to the international top circle before the SCII Beta hit, so it wasn't a "from 0 to hero" kind of story. Alternatives, as giving out handicaps, are bullcrap too. Nobody wants to get smashed by someone only playing half assed.
This all hits you harder than other organizers, because you have no ground to stand on, and, as eon pointed out, are quite taken away by criticism. The reaction of other organizers, such as RUS_Brain were simpler: "organize your own tournament or stick to my rules". Seems harsh, but works.
Since you don't really now much about the scene, I don't get why you wouldn't even consider to change the rules. It's not as if you lose street credibility, or as if anyone here honestly hates you, or even thinks you're an idiot. Trust me, real criticism intented to have you gone looks different. A lot different.
I think more crucial to people not showing up are other factors, more important ones. For instance using a third party page, that looks odd. Never had any experience using something different from what everyone else uses. However, using the super late time zones of the US West is quite crucial. The strongest player base of foreigners is Poland + Russia. Setting the tour start quite late isn't really motivating to play, especially if the next day is a working day. Not changing the maps frequently also adds to some form of discomfort.
Last but not least: The community is really small, I don't think you can keep numbers above 30 entrants at all times for a weekly series, especially as the yellow ranks usually don't play if there are no special incentives, such as "random 5$ prize", super wonky fun maps in between, doulbe elimination, or god knows what. And even those are not that motivating. If this tour series was bi-weekly or even monthly, you might have had a higher turn out, simply due to having a more exclusive character. Maybe with smaller qualifiers for the monthly pay out or something.
When it comes to help from within the community: At some point one of you mentioned tracking down Korean smurfs. Not sure how hard that is in SCII, but it's really easy in BW. They don't speak English quite as well as the rest. If that doesn't help: if you already use ICCup go and ask the admins to check the list. They do this shit for free and are helpful if they're not being blamed for any nonsense along the way.
Yeah... I never said or did like... anything you've said above. Guessing you're confusing me with Schamtoo, or someone else?
But, just in case I wasnt clear: The damage is done. July 2nd will be the last filthy cup. I am not going to run more of these for the BW scene, because the foreign BW scene is too much trouble to be worth it for me anymore.
Dont like it? I dont really care anymore. You guys took my money AND gave me shit. So, as politely as I can, you can all "bugger off"
Way to represent foreign BW community by being jackasses and running away the first consistent tournaments/prizes we've had in a while guys. I rarely read these topics because they are filled with such idiocy and I know I have nothing valuable to contribute but I just want to say I'm literally embarrassed to be part of the BW community.
=_= Sad day for the BW scene. I feel like any person who has done anything in this scene can relate to how FilthyRake feels about it, in one way or another. I know that I can't change anything alone, I just hope that this is a learning experience for everyone and we can combine to do better in the future, even if it just means silent disapproval from the dissidents and more loud cheering from the supporters. We can't afford to push people away, not in real life and not in this community. As always, I want to wish Filthy the best of luck in his future ventures and send all my love and appreciation his way for holding on this long.
rip! another one bites the dust, I've never really been in it for the money as much as I always just like to see quality games and casts, too bad this lovely game's community is plagued with disagreement, that must've festered with age.
On June 13 2017 05:03 Jealous wrote: =_= Sad day for the BW scene. I feel like any person who has done anything in this scene can relate to how FilthyRake feels about it, in one way or another. I know that I can't change anything alone, I just hope that this is a learning experience for everyone and we can combine to do better in the future, even if it just means silent disapproval from the dissidents and more loud cheering from the supporters. We can't afford to push people away, not in real life and not in this community. As always, I want to wish Filthy the best of luck in his future ventures and send all my love and appreciation his way for holding on this long.
Long live Brood War.
It feels alot like what we've read in parts in the "What happened to Moletrap" thread. Casters and Content Creators doing it out of passion, getting close to no returns and still getting shit on all the times.
On June 13 2017 04:56 FilthyRake wrote: Yeah... I never said or did like... anything you've said above. Guessing you're confusing me with Schamtoo, or someone else?
But, just in case I wasnt clear: The damage is done. July 2nd will be the last filthy cup. I am not going to run more of these for the BW scene, because the foreign BW scene is too much trouble to be worth it for me anymore.
Dont like it? I dont really care anymore. You guys took my money AND gave me shit. So, as politely as I can, you can all "bugger off"
I didn't took your money lol :D
I can say similar things to you too. You took my time to take part in your tourney and gave shit by stopping it, because i planned to win it soon, but now i can't lol :D
Fights between korean and foreigners skills were started centuries ago.
If you don't know how to ruin these fights, just ignore.
It's still utterly confusing to me, this not wanting to play Scan. When pro's show up to big Colorado bike races I'm stoked to race them, even if I know I'm not likely to even sniff winning.
If I could play in tournies with FlaSh, Bisu, EffOrt all the time would I decline playing them? Hell no! In fact I'd be incredibly excited, and I'm a tenth of the player that a Bonyth or TrutacZ is. The mindset is alien to me. You've got the opportunity to play tours with highly talented players and many seem to decline, or even actively complain, about the situation?
It just seems to me that their is all upside and literally no downside to playing Scan or any other good player, outside of getting marginally less money, but is anyone here really that obsessed with $20-40 bucks? Perhaps the draw of money is what I can't figure out, but the whole situation is one I clearly don't relate to at all.
On June 13 2017 05:03 Jealous wrote: =_= Sad day for the BW scene. I feel like any person who has done anything in this scene can relate to how FilthyRake feels about it, in one way or another. I know that I can't change anything alone, I just hope that this is a learning experience for everyone and we can combine to do better in the future, even if it just means silent disapproval from the dissidents and more loud cheering from the supporters. We can't afford to push people away, not in real life and not in this community. As always, I want to wish Filthy the best of luck in his future ventures and send all my love and appreciation his way for holding on this long.
Long live Brood War.
Yeap.
Usually I'm pretty bullish and impressed by the "BW Community", but this tournament and the the recent Day[9] shitstorm have been pretty rough for me. It's wierd reconciling some of that with the generally highly supportive, passionate group of people everyone here tends to be.
When we ran TLC back in 2015, we ended up in a similar situation where there was a vocal amount of posters that were against Scan's participation because TLC was a foreigner event and Scan is Korean. We wanted to test the waters out and see how things will go so we allowed Scan to participate for the first couple of TLCs. After 4 TLCs, we decided to ban Scan from future participation: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/492925-tlc-the-story-so-far
It seems like the complaining is due to greed and money. Why else would they not want Scan to participate? Letting Scan participate in these tournaments just means the 'top foreigners' are playing for 2nd/3rd place prize money, as Scan will win the majority of the tournaments.
On June 13 2017 05:48 L_Master wrote: It's still utterly confusing to me, this not wanting to play Scan. When pro's show up to big Colorado bike races I'm stoked to race them, even if I know I'm not likely to even sniff winning.
If I could play in tournies with FlaSh, Bisu, EffOrt all the time would I decline playing them? Hell no! In fact I'd be incredibly excited, and I'm a tenth of the player that a Bonyth or TrutacZ is. The mindset is alien to me. You've got the opportunity to play tours with highly talented players and many seem to decline, or even actively complain, about the situation?
It just seems to me that their is all upside and literally no downside to playing Scan or any other good player, outside of getting marginally less money, but is anyone here really that obsessed with $20-40 bucks? Perhaps the draw of money is what I can't figure out, but the whole situation is one I clearly don't relate to at all.
If u could play a LOT of games, and still being just owned infinite times by X player, without chances to win, maybe ur mindset would be different?
On June 13 2017 05:48 L_Master wrote: It's still utterly confusing to me, this not wanting to play Scan. When pro's show up to big Colorado bike races I'm stoked to race them, even if I know I'm not likely to even sniff winning.
If I could play in tournies with FlaSh, Bisu, EffOrt all the time would I decline playing them? Hell no! In fact I'd be incredibly excited, and I'm a tenth of the player that a Bonyth or TrutacZ is. The mindset is alien to me. You've got the opportunity to play tours with highly talented players and many seem to decline, or even actively complain, about the situation?
It just seems to me that their is all upside and literally no downside to playing Scan or any other good player, outside of getting marginally less money, but is anyone here really that obsessed with $20-40 bucks? Perhaps the draw of money is what I can't figure out, but the whole situation is one I clearly don't relate to at all.
If u could play a LOT of games, and still being just owned infinite times by X player, without chances to win, maybe ur mindset would be different?
I know I would not have a different mindset in other activites. I race bikes, road racing, here in Colorado. It's an incredibly competitive state for racing. At any given race you can bet that there will be 10-20 guys in the field that are current pros, former pros, or national champions. I'm a strong rider, but not at the level of a national champion or TdF cyclist, and in most races I get absolutely pummeled by that tier of talent. I've had some races, 4 or 5 hour races, especially if they start with a hard climb, where I've been dropped from the group and already lost in the first 10 minutes. It can be frustrating, especially when it feels like you got destroyed without even being able to put up a fight, but at the same time it's one of the absolute best ways of getting better, and perhaps even more importantly to me is that at the end of the day it's still me out there, riding a bike full gas in Colorado; which is pretty damn awesome.
I've never had the dedication or time to play hundreds of BW games with a single player; so I cannot speak with 100% confidence in BW. I suspect I would still have my current mindset, because I draw many parallels between sport and BW, and because I certainly don't mind playing games for 3 or 4 hours with someone vastly better than me. I'm getting smashed, but it's fun and engaging trying to figure out why this is happeneing and what can I start to do to lessen that, not to mention it's just generally fun trying to click on units, microing armies, etc.
On June 13 2017 05:48 L_Master wrote: It's still utterly confusing to me, this not wanting to play Scan. When pro's show up to big Colorado bike races I'm stoked to race them, even if I know I'm not likely to even sniff winning.
If I could play in tournies with FlaSh, Bisu, EffOrt all the time would I decline playing them? Hell no! In fact I'd be incredibly excited, and I'm a tenth of the player that a Bonyth or TrutacZ is. The mindset is alien to me. You've got the opportunity to play tours with highly talented players and many seem to decline, or even actively complain, about the situation?
It just seems to me that their is all upside and literally no downside to playing Scan or any other good player, outside of getting marginally less money, but is anyone here really that obsessed with $20-40 bucks? Perhaps the draw of money is what I can't figure out, but the whole situation is one I clearly don't relate to at all.
If u could play a LOT of games, and still being just owned infinite times by X player, without chances to win, maybe ur mindset would be different?
this is the weak mentality that people are talking about when they say you'll never get better than you are now.
On June 13 2017 03:25 SchAmToo wrote: LOL I think saying a few players salty mentality is the reason Foreign != Korea is a bit drastic. No one in the right mind should make that 1 to 1 allusion. I would say it definitely doesn't help though.
As for 1.18: I'm going to make the new ruleset for 1.18 tonight. If people are down to move to 1.18 we can do it this weekend or next. Keep in mind a few things:
Server would have to be like US-West/US-East for a meeting point between EU and Korea, while this sounds awful, the server selection is ONLY to make a game. Once you're in game it's purely Peer2Peer and that server doesn't matter (If i've been told correctly.
Some people are having many problems with 1.18 still so we may have complaints of bugs/problems. Not sure how this will be handled.
If I'm moving to 1.18, i'm definitely going to try live-casting each series since the net-code is a bit more stable.
As someone who was glad when you returned to 1.16, I think 1.18 is now good enough to play the remaining tourneys.
@L_master Your comparison with biking doesn't fit for a lot of reasons. You can't tell me that you would be stoked to race the same and only pro in the race every week (especially if your placement would depend largely on when he overtakes you).
Edit: And I don't know why people keep responding to that idv guy, his only goal is obviously more drama.
On June 13 2017 05:48 L_Master wrote: It's still utterly confusing to me, this not wanting to play Scan. When pro's show up to big Colorado bike races I'm stoked to race them, even if I know I'm not likely to even sniff winning.
If I could play in tournies with FlaSh, Bisu, EffOrt all the time would I decline playing them? Hell no! In fact I'd be incredibly excited, and I'm a tenth of the player that a Bonyth or TrutacZ is. The mindset is alien to me. You've got the opportunity to play tours with highly talented players and many seem to decline, or even actively complain, about the situation?
It just seems to me that their is all upside and literally no downside to playing Scan or any other good player, outside of getting marginally less money, but is anyone here really that obsessed with $20-40 bucks? Perhaps the draw of money is what I can't figure out, but the whole situation is one I clearly don't relate to at all.
If u could play a LOT of games, and still being just owned infinite times by X player, without chances to win, maybe ur mindset would be different?
this is the weak mentality that people are talking about when they say you'll never get better than you are now.
On June 13 2017 03:25 SchAmToo wrote: LOL I think saying a few players salty mentality is the reason Foreign != Korea is a bit drastic. No one in the right mind should make that 1 to 1 allusion. I would say it definitely doesn't help though.
As for 1.18: I'm going to make the new ruleset for 1.18 tonight. If people are down to move to 1.18 we can do it this weekend or next. Keep in mind a few things:
Server would have to be like US-West/US-East for a meeting point between EU and Korea, while this sounds awful, the server selection is ONLY to make a game. Once you're in game it's purely Peer2Peer and that server doesn't matter (If i've been told correctly.
Some people are having many problems with 1.18 still so we may have complaints of bugs/problems. Not sure how this will be handled.
If I'm moving to 1.18, i'm definitely going to try live-casting each series since the net-code is a bit more stable.
As someone who was glad when you returned to 1.16, I think 1.18 is now good enough to play the remaining tourneys.
@L_master Your comparison with biking doesn't fit for a lot of reasons. You can't tell me that you would be stoked to race the same and only pro in the race every week (especially if your placement would depend largely on when he overtakes you).
I think L_Master can tell you that, and would, because that's the hallmark of a healthy competitive mentality. I highly recommend reading 'The Inner Game of Tennis' (it's not really about tennis). It will introduce you to the midnset of the top .1% of athletes and competitors.
On June 13 2017 05:48 L_Master wrote: It's still utterly confusing to me, this not wanting to play Scan. When pro's show up to big Colorado bike races I'm stoked to race them, even if I know I'm not likely to even sniff winning.
If I could play in tournies with FlaSh, Bisu, EffOrt all the time would I decline playing them? Hell no! In fact I'd be incredibly excited, and I'm a tenth of the player that a Bonyth or TrutacZ is. The mindset is alien to me. You've got the opportunity to play tours with highly talented players and many seem to decline, or even actively complain, about the situation?
It just seems to me that their is all upside and literally no downside to playing Scan or any other good player, outside of getting marginally less money, but is anyone here really that obsessed with $20-40 bucks? Perhaps the draw of money is what I can't figure out, but the whole situation is one I clearly don't relate to at all.
If u could play a LOT of games, and still being just owned infinite times by X player, without chances to win, maybe ur mindset would be different?
this is the weak mentality that people are talking about when they say you'll never get better than you are now.
On June 13 2017 03:25 SchAmToo wrote: LOL I think saying a few players salty mentality is the reason Foreign != Korea is a bit drastic. No one in the right mind should make that 1 to 1 allusion. I would say it definitely doesn't help though.
As for 1.18: I'm going to make the new ruleset for 1.18 tonight. If people are down to move to 1.18 we can do it this weekend or next. Keep in mind a few things:
Server would have to be like US-West/US-East for a meeting point between EU and Korea, while this sounds awful, the server selection is ONLY to make a game. Once you're in game it's purely Peer2Peer and that server doesn't matter (If i've been told correctly.
Some people are having many problems with 1.18 still so we may have complaints of bugs/problems. Not sure how this will be handled.
If I'm moving to 1.18, i'm definitely going to try live-casting each series since the net-code is a bit more stable.
As someone who was glad when you returned to 1.16, I think 1.18 is now good enough to play the remaining tourneys.
@L_master Your comparison with biking doesn't fit for a lot of reasons. You can't tell me that you would be stoked to race the same and only pro in the race every week (especially if your placement would depend largely on when he overtakes you).
That wouldn't quite be analogous to BW tours, because in a BW tour you get to play a vast variety of players, many of whom are excellent competition. So you race and beat alot of people, but at some people end up getting dropped by the "big boys" in the race. That said, I'm quite confident I'd be happy to race the same pro (or rather in the same pro field) over and over. It'd be rough, I'd get dropped earlier and often, but I'd still be out there doing about the best thing you possibly can to improve and out there riding my bike. Pretty good day in my book.
I can tell you my placing would not matter to me at all 95% of the time, because the goals are 1)improve, 2)have fun. Both of those have no relation to whether I win by 10 minutes or get dropped in the first 5 minutes and finish 30' behind the winner. The only time that might matter is if I really needed results to qualify for something. Outside of that, you always try to win in the race, but once it's over it makes no difference where you finished.
EDIT: You're post seems to be more emphasized on placing than I thought. I really don't see why or how that matters unless you're concerned with either money or needing results to qualify for a more important event.
Even though I don't like the idea of Scan playing in every tournament, I enjoyed the Filthy BW Cup every week and I hope it will still take place - it's the best tournament for the foreigers there is at the moment and it would be a great shame if you guys stopped organising it, especially with SC:R being right around the corner. Filthy BW Cup gathers more and more players every week and it's a great introduction to BW for a lot of new people.
On June 13 2017 05:48 L_Master wrote: If I could play in tournies with FlaSh, Bisu, EffOrt all the time would I decline playing them? Hell no! In fact I'd be incredibly excited, and I'm a tenth of the player that a Bonyth or TrutacZ is. The mindset is alien to me. You've got the opportunity to play tours with highly talented players and many seem to decline, or even actively complain, about the situation?
Ye it feels different playing against Scan and playing against the likes of Flash Bisu Jaedong. It's not the sensation where u're playing the legend. And trust me on that, I've played a lot of progamers, with occasional success. My mindset? I play to win and to get money so my girl can spend it. I hate losing more than anything.
Also, every side would have been satisfied, if organizers went for a compromise. For example: 1 week Open-Tour, 2nd non-korean tour. Imagine that, everyone happy. Hell even more, if that would happen, we would be actually able to see the difference in people signing up for both of the tours :D
Of course, that's not an option now, but maybe other sponsors arrive with SC:R release so we can suggest this idea if the organizer is pro-open tournaments.
On June 13 2017 05:03 Jealous wrote: =_= Sad day for the BW scene. I feel like any person who has done anything in this scene can relate to how FilthyRake feels about it, in one way or another. I know that I can't change anything alone, I just hope that this is a learning experience for everyone and we can combine to do better in the future, even if it just means silent disapproval from the dissidents and more loud cheering from the supporters. We can't afford to push people away, not in real life and not in this community. As always, I want to wish Filthy the best of luck in his future ventures and send all my love and appreciation his way for holding on this long.
Long live Brood War.
It feels alot like what we've read in parts in the "What happened to Moletrap" thread. Casters and Content Creators doing it out of passion, getting close to no returns and still getting shit on all the times.
Exactly. Everyone is so sad those casters left, yet look what constant bickering goes on every day for those of us who're trying to contribute to the scene.
If it's not in some person's perfect vision, then suddenly it's just 50 pages of pointless arguments. Yet, the organizer says he's leaving because of the constant complaints/arguments, and still people use this thread to argue more.
On June 13 2017 05:48 L_Master wrote: If I could play in tournies with FlaSh, Bisu, EffOrt all the time would I decline playing them? Hell no! In fact I'd be incredibly excited, and I'm a tenth of the player that a Bonyth or TrutacZ is. The mindset is alien to me. You've got the opportunity to play tours with highly talented players and many seem to decline, or even actively complain, about the situation?
Ye it feels different playing against Scan and playing against the likes of Flash Bisu Jaedong. It's not the sensation where u're playing the legend. And trust me on that, I've played a lot of progamers, with occasional success. My mindset? I play to win and to get money so my girl can spend it. I hate losing more than anything.
Also, every side would have been satisfied, if organizers went for a compromise. For example: 1 week Open-Tour, 2nd non-korean tour. Imagine that, everyone happy. Hell even more, if that would happen, we would be actually able to see the difference in people signing up for both of the tours :D
Of course, that's not an option now, but maybe other sponsors arrive with SC:R release so we can suggest this idea if the organizer is pro-open tournaments.
Hmm that part I should have been more clear, reading what I wrote it could easily be read as I would be excited that I'm getting to play these legendary players. While that novely factor and opportunity would be cool, I meant that I would generally enjoy playing that level of skill. I haven't tried it for 10 hours, but if guys like scan wanted to play 30 games a day with me I'd be quite excited about the offer if I had that time for BW.
I might feel different ten hours later, but knowing myself from other sports and in general I would bet against that.
i wanna say two things. the first: i think that was 1 week ago or mb 2 ?i think was 1.We were on the channel filthy cup .i think it was bonyth me and Ty2 and i dont remember if trutacz was there.and filthy told us there was only 3 cups left and about day9 casting a tourney with higher prizepool,We did ask him if the low numbers playing the tourney was the problem and he told us not,that he was busy and he didnt have time(i dont remember exactly sorry).but im sure ty2 can confirm or correct me) to keep as admin of the event.So yeah we knew already 1 week ago about the 3 tourneys left.and this is the reason i gave a feedback again(proly not in the best proper way here today)and i see everything just going crazy like always.and now it looks like me and trutacz basically made filthy cancel the whole thing.is not like this.
Second:i really love how for weeks or months every poster here trash talking and giving shit to us didnt come to play a single tourney,didnt actually took the time to post in the threads.just look how dead are the threads of haveatyou,there was one chinese posting Scan results or something,and thats it.same with every defiler tourney,bonyth won 3 tourneys in a row in the old school map series,no one did comment,is us the players or mb one guy that really care posted.but when it comes to post sh*t,talk sh*t and spread sh*t you are all here.comenting like experts and telling us to get gud.are you seriously ?u know when u say this community is toxic you are right.but is not us the players.but you the sh*t posters.anyway thanks alot for the drama and the useless trash talk.not doubt there is almost no one left.
On June 13 2017 07:37 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Second:i really love how for weeks or months every poster here trash talking and giving shit to us didnt come to play a single tourney,
I think this a really good point. People criticizing other players who do not want to play Scan/Koreans while they themselves do not enter the tournament. It is like the pot calling the kettle black. Unfortunately FilthyBW was scheduled on top of a league I was running for a few weeks, and then on top of Coach/Pupil League as well (both leagues have over 50-60 players in it) but judging from Have At You! which is free from scheduling issues with other tournaments/leagues, rarely anyone joins in except the same names every week. I've even been posting links and encouraging people to play in the discords I'm apart of, but ironically it seems like players don't want to join a league that (gasp) has better players than them.
But when it comes to these threads, everyone seems to be an expert on the subject lol.
On June 13 2017 07:37 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Second:i really love how for weeks or months every poster here trash talking and giving shit to us didnt come to play a single tourney,
I think this a really good point. People criticizing other players who do not want to play Scan/Koreans while they themselves do not enter the tournament. It is like the pot calling the kettle black. Unfortunately FilthyBW was scheduled on top of a league I was running for a few weeks, and then on top of Coach/Pupil League as well (both leagues have over 50-60 players in it) but judging from Have At You! which is free from scheduling issues with other tournaments/leagues, rarely anyone joins in except the same names every week. I've even been posting links and encouraging people to play in the discords I'm apart of, but ironically it seems like players don't want to join a league that (gasp) has better players than them.
But when it comes to these threads, everyone seems to be an expert on the subject lol.
Why would any of us have to be a high level tournament player to have an opinion on the matter? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Scan is ethnically a korean, but he is not a former pro player and thus stands on the exact same ground as all of the foreigners. Banning him from the tournament seems borderline racist and is completely absurd. All the high level foreigners wanting him banned are essentially salty because a new breed player is dominating foreign tournaments and pointing at his korean background as a reason, while the fact is that he has no fair or unfair benefits over the other players except simply being better. Me being a D----- player or an olympic former pro gamer changes nothing about this statement.
If I were to play in tournaments, I would be assblasted by every single one of you, wouldn't even notice the difference between playing the worst player besides me or scan. Wanting him banned is just ABSURD:
I don't know why this tournament was called off, but if it is because of this dumb discussion then the players constantly igniting it is to be blamed. Because the discussion is just ridiculous and unreasonable. Don't ban a player for being best. Its retarded.
No one associated with the tournament, TO or Player, is asking for anyone's opinion on that matter. It's clear not everyone likes the ruling. We know.
I'm tired of random people coming in here, starting up arguments with players and degrading them. The players have given their opinion. The spectators have given their opinion.
If i were to stop this tournament, it would be because whenever I hold it, i get 10000 messages of "WHY SCAN ALLOWED" followed by "U BAD, GIT GUD INSTEAD OF COMPLAIN OF SCAN" and the bickering that surrounds my event every god damn time.
If you're coming into this thread to argue about region-locking, banning scan, why foreign broodwar is failing, why players are bad, idc. Get the hell out of this thread.
My next step is just ask to get this thread locked.
If you have CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM about the tournament! Like 1.18, map pool, smash.gg, payout, admins, etc. YOU ARE WELCOME TO DO SO.
Hell, if you want to say the casters suck, or are awesome. I actually would LOVE to have some caster feedback here too. (As long as you're not just being a dick).
On June 13 2017 07:37 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Second:i really love how for weeks or months every poster here trash talking and giving shit to us didnt come to play a single tourney,
I think this a really good point. People criticizing other players who do not want to play Scan/Koreans while they themselves do not enter the tournament. It is like the pot calling the kettle black. Unfortunately FilthyBW was scheduled on top of a league I was running for a few weeks, and then on top of Coach/Pupil League as well (both leagues have over 50-60 players in it) but judging from Have At You! which is free from scheduling issues with other tournaments/leagues, rarely anyone joins in except the same names every week. I've even been posting links and encouraging people to play in the discords I'm apart of, but ironically it seems like players don't want to join a league that (gasp) has better players than them.
But when it comes to these threads, everyone seems to be an expert on the subject lol.
Why would any of us have to be a high level tournament player to have an opinion on the matter? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
I think this is a really good point. Often times you don't have to stand in the rain to know you'll get wet. Although walking a mile in someone's shoes can provide different viewpoints and maybe a stronger understanding of their situation, I believe if we all walk the same mile in our own shoes, we can still understand the trials and tribulations of someone who has a pair of Converse as opposed to our Nikes. That said, we can't possibly capture all the nuances of a walk with other shoes, but we can brush upon the facets that remain most important of the hike. Basically what I'm trying to say is, maybe people aren't necessarily looking through rose tinted glasses at the situation, but rather a one way mirror into the bathroom that is these threads. We are watching the situation unfold from all angles at the people who can only see their reflection.
I'm unlocking this thread. Discussion must be relevant to the tournament and organizer only. Bans will happen if you bring the "vs Korean" discussion into this thread.
THAT SAID: The map pool on smash.gg is not correct, we are changing it (I'll try to get it updated there today). Also I think the plan is to play on 1.18. Again, I will get all this confirmed and updated sometime in the next 24 hours.
I signed up for it. I will try to participate in these as often I can. Even though I suspect I will spend more time for waiting games than playing because I will get defeated so fast. But I want to support your work and I think this is the best way to do it
On June 15 2017 23:29 BisuDagger wrote: I'm unlocking this thread. Discussion must be relevant to the tournament and organizer only. Bans will happen if you bring the "vs Korean" discussion into this thread.
On June 15 2017 23:29 BisuDagger wrote: I'm unlocking this thread. Discussion must be relevant to the tournament and organizer only. Bans will happen if you bring the "vs Korean" discussion into this thread.
On June 15 2017 23:29 BisuDagger wrote: I'm unlocking this thread. Discussion must be relevant to the tournament and organizer only. Bans will happen if you bring the "vs Korean" discussion into this thread.
Bans for how long?
23 years plus or minus 5.
i think the FAT team stands little chance vs the koreans of team Ajae. + Show Spoiler +
well hopefully, they do
Looking forward to the next cup, let's enjoy em while we have em.
On June 15 2017 23:29 BisuDagger wrote: I'm unlocking this thread. Discussion must be relevant to the tournament and organizer only. Bans will happen if you bring the "vs Korean" discussion into this thread.
Bans for how long?
23 years plus or minus 5.
i think the FAT team stands little chance vs the koreans of team Ajae. + Show Spoiler +
well hopefully, they do
Looking forward to the next cup, let's enjoy em while we have em.
I think the FAT team has a good chance to win vs players like Zeus, Nal_Ra, Pusan, Cloud and GoRush. A bit less of a chance to beat the rest, but still doable. Was your post meant to be posted in the Team FAT vs Team Ajaei League thread?
On June 15 2017 23:29 BisuDagger wrote: I'm unlocking this thread. Discussion must be relevant to the tournament and organizer only. Bans will happen if you bring the "vs Korean" discussion into this thread.
Bans for how long?
23 years plus or minus 5.
i think the FAT team stands little chance vs the koreans of team Ajae. + Show Spoiler +
well hopefully, they do
Looking forward to the next cup, let's enjoy em while we have em.
On June 15 2017 23:29 BisuDagger wrote: I'm unlocking this thread. Discussion must be relevant to the tournament and organizer only. Bans will happen if you bring the "vs Korean" discussion into this thread.
Bans for how long?
23 years plus or minus 5.
i think the FAT team stands little chance vs the koreans of team Ajae. + Show Spoiler +
well hopefully, they do
Looking forward to the next cup, let's enjoy em while we have em.
I think the FAT team has a good chance to win vs players like Zeus, Nal_Ra, Pusan, Cloud and GoRush. A bit less of a chance to beat the rest, but still doable. Was your post meant to be posted in the Team FAT vs Team Ajaei League thread?
Ah I can't play on 1.18. My laptop is not compatible for it I was hoping to be the one to dethrone Scan's dominance. I've played him many times and I beat him few times and so did he.
On June 17 2017 10:41 BoA[WHITE] wrote: Ah I can't play on 1.18. My laptop is not compatible for it I was hoping to be the one to dethrone Scan's dominance. I've played him many times and I beat him few times and so did he.
you beat Scan a few times? aka :o?
Scan is ~S rank on Fish so i find it hard to believe that a foreigner could beat him "a few times", that would mean your skill level is B/A rank on Fish.
On June 17 2017 10:41 BoA[WHITE] wrote: Ah I can't play on 1.18. My laptop is not compatible for it I was hoping to be the one to dethrone Scan's dominance. I've played him many times and I beat him few times and so did he.
you beat Scan a few times? aka :o?
Scan is ~S rank on Fish so i find it hard to believe that a foreigner could beat him "a few times", that would mean your skill level is B/A rank on Fish.
Many times out of few games. I think i lost to him max 3 games in my memory. His id is his aka. Hes a c rank user before 1.18 and remaster announcements. Hes Korean and probably studying abroad in the US just like my case.
On June 17 2017 10:41 BoA[WHITE] wrote: Ah I can't play on 1.18. My laptop is not compatible for it I was hoping to be the one to dethrone Scan's dominance. I've played him many times and I beat him few times and so did he.
On June 17 2017 10:41 BoA[WHITE] wrote: Ah I can't play on 1.18. My laptop is not compatible for it I was hoping to be the one to dethrone Scan's dominance. I've played him many times and I beat him few times and so did he.
you beat Scan a few times? aka :o?
Scan is ~S rank on Fish so i find it hard to believe that a foreigner could beat him "a few times", that would mean your skill level is B/A rank on Fish.
Many times out of few games. I think i lost to him max 3 games in my memory. His id is his aka. Hes a c rank user before 1.18 and remaster announcements. Hes Korean and probably studying abroad in the US just like my case.
Oh ok, well C rank pre 1.18 is probably like high B rank on 1.18 ladder. He speaks english really well
Well ethnicity wise I'm Korean but I was born and raised in the States, never lived in Korea (other than visiting families). Yeah I usually ranked C and occasionally B several times, but couldn't maintain it. I've also beaten Flash twice (once on his debut stage on Afreeca) but it was more like a fluke lol Besides I only play like twice a month due to school work. I'm not sure what my spec is but this is what I bought like 5 years ago lol
Are you sure you submitted it correctly? I don't see it in the list-to-approve events, nor in the list of upcoming events in case someone else already accepted it.
I do apologize for not getting us on 1.18 this past week. I was traveling and totally forgot to update the rules. I will hopefully get the 1.18 rules up tomorrow, for 1.18 play this weekend
On June 20 2017 12:52 FilthyRake wrote: I do apologize for not getting us on 1.18 this past week. I was traveling and totally forgot to update the rules. I will hopefully get the 1.18 rules up tomorrow, for 1.18 play this weekend
Cool, I'll be in then, thanks! Scan no longer has a chance.
On June 20 2017 12:52 FilthyRake wrote: I do apologize for not getting us on 1.18 this past week. I was traveling and totally forgot to update the rules. I will hopefully get the 1.18 rules up tomorrow, for 1.18 play this weekend
Cool, I'll be in then, thanks! Scan no longer has a chance.
Here's my specs for my laptop and it wouldn't let me upgrade to 1.18. Does anyone know how to fix this? Thank you!
delete blizzard entertainment and battleapp thing on "regedit.exe"
Sorry. Could you elaborate more on what you said? Where can I go and delete the regedit.exe? When you said delete blizzard entertainment, did you mean delete the whole starcraft app? Thanks!
Here's my specs for my laptop and it wouldn't let me upgrade to 1.18. Does anyone know how to fix this? Thank you!
delete blizzard entertainment and battleapp thing on "regedit.exe"
Sorry. Could you elaborate more on what you said? Where can I go and delete the regedit.exe? When you said delete blizzard entertainment, did you mean delete the whole starcraft app? Thanks!
Regedit.exe is the microsoft registry editor, it is included with windows. Open it and then you can delete those 2 things that scan said, although I can't confirm whether it will help you.
It would be helpful of course if you could elaborate on what's happening. Is it giving you an error? Does it refuse to start? Does it refuse to download? etc
Here's my specs for my laptop and it wouldn't let me upgrade to 1.18. Does anyone know how to fix this? Thank you!
delete blizzard entertainment and battleapp thing on "regedit.exe"
Sorry. Could you elaborate more on what you said? Where can I go and delete the regedit.exe? When you said delete blizzard entertainment, did you mean delete the whole starcraft app? Thanks!
Regedit.exe is the microsoft registry editor, it is included with windows. Open it and then you can delete those 2 things that scan said, although I can't confirm whether it will help you.
It would be helpful of course if you could elaborate on what's happening. Is it giving you an error? Does it refuse to start? Does it refuse to download? etc
When I complete downloading the 1.18 version, it won't let me start and this message "unable to initialize opengl" pops up. I think it has to do with the incompatibility of my laptop to the newest version.
I've been pretty quiet about details, but with today's Filthy BW Cup rapidly approaching, I wanted to drop a little bit of info about next week's FINAL Filthy BW Cup.
Casters I know I've been name dropping it a bit but I am happy to confirm that the one-and-only Day[9] himself will be casting, along with Schamtoo. This should be pretty kick ass.
Prize Pool If this is the last event, we cant just leave the prize pool at $100. So for this one, I am bumping the prize pool all the way up to $500! Distribution percentages will stay the same as today (50%/20%/15%/15%). Of course, there will be Matcherino up as well, so $500 is just the minimum guaranteed - it may wind up higher!
Hopefully this info is exciting for you all! I know I am hyped for next weekend's event!
Just to be clear - this is for the event on July 2nd
On June 26 2017 00:46 FilthyRake wrote: I've been pretty quiet about details, but with today's Filthy BW Cup rapidly approaching, I wanted to drop a little bit of info about next week's FINAL Filthy BW Cup.
Casters I know I've been name dropping it a bit but I am happy to confirm that the one-and-only Day[9] himself will be casting, along with Schamtoo. This should be pretty kick ass.
Prize Pool If this is the last event, we cant just leave the prize pool at $100. So for this one, I am bumping the prize pool all the way up to $500! Distribution percentages will stay the same as today (50%/20%/15%/15%). Of course, there will be Matcherino up as well, so $500 is just the minimum guaranteed - it may wind up higher!
Hopefully this info is exciting for you all! I know I am hyped for next weekend's event!
Just to be clear - this is for the event on July 2nd
You are an amazing man Hope there's a chance you change your mind to come back for BW weekly cups while some foreign community users are changing their behaviors.
On June 26 2017 00:46 FilthyRake wrote: I've been pretty quiet about details, but with today's Filthy BW Cup rapidly approaching, I wanted to drop a little bit of info about next week's FINAL Filthy BW Cup.
Casters I know I've been name dropping it a bit but I am happy to confirm that the one-and-only Day[9] himself will be casting, along with Schamtoo. This should be pretty kick ass.
Prize Pool If this is the last event, we cant just leave the prize pool at $100. So for this one, I am bumping the prize pool all the way up to $500! Distribution percentages will stay the same as today (50%/20%/15%/15%). Of course, there will be Matcherino up as well, so $500 is just the minimum guaranteed - it may wind up higher!
Hopefully this info is exciting for you all! I know I am hyped for next weekend's event!
Just to be clear - this is for the event on July 2nd
Glad to hear Also, u could talk with Schamtoo. For some unknown reasons (double elimination bracket, 1.18 patch?) the number of viewers grew up to almost 200 and the number of players was at 30. It seems like the atmosphere about Scan's participation has somehow stabilized. Well, see for yourself today and make the final decision if u haven't made one yet.
On June 26 2017 00:46 FilthyRake wrote: I've been pretty quiet about details, but with today's Filthy BW Cup rapidly approaching, I wanted to drop a little bit of info about next week's FINAL Filthy BW Cup.
Casters I know I've been name dropping it a bit but I am happy to confirm that the one-and-only Day[9] himself will be casting, along with Schamtoo. This should be pretty kick ass.
Prize Pool If this is the last event, we cant just leave the prize pool at $100. So for this one, I am bumping the prize pool all the way up to $500! Distribution percentages will stay the same as today (50%/20%/15%/15%). Of course, there will be Matcherino up as well, so $500 is just the minimum guaranteed - it may wind up higher!
Hopefully this info is exciting for you all! I know I am hyped for next weekend's event!
Just to be clear - this is for the event on July 2nd
Glad to hear Also, u could talk with Schamtoo. For some unknown reasons (double elimination bracket, 1.18 patch?) the number of viewers grew up to almost 200 and the number of players was at 30. It seems like the atmosphere about Scan's participation has somehow stabilized. Well, see for yourself today and make the final decision if u haven't made one yet.
The reasons aren't really unknown. A bunch of people from the Foreign Brood War discord came out to play. Hopefully that trend continues.
Cool. 500 $ is a ton, and another 50 or so can come in by matcherino. I have to admit i rather have 5 more rounds at 100 each instead of 1 for 500 though.
On June 27 2017 02:42 TheNewEra wrote: The coupon code for the 1$ contribution doesn't seem to work for me
Edit: The code appears to be wrong. Currently working is FILTHYBW1 and not FILTHYBW12 (atleast for me)
while I have the code listed as FILTHYBW12, and that is what it WILL be, it isnt actually setup yet. You're just currently using some of the old unused codes from previous weeks
On June 27 2017 02:42 TheNewEra wrote: The coupon code for the 1$ contribution doesn't seem to work for me
Edit: The code appears to be wrong. Currently working is FILTHYBW1 and not FILTHYBW12 (atleast for me)
while I have the code listed as FILTHYBW12, and that is what it WILL be, it isnt actually setup yet. You're just currently using some of the old unused codes from previous weeks
ah okay I thought every code would only work for the corresponding event Well anyways the 1$ is donated so everything is fine.
On June 27 2017 03:10 TheNewEra wrote: ah okay I thought every code would only work for the corresponding event Well anyways the 1$ is donated so everything is fine.
nah they keep working until they get used up (or matcherino deletes them, whichever happens first) pretty sure they'll actually work for *any* event
I think hosts of the cup should consider region locking it. Region locking has been done before. I would feel better knowing donated money would go back into the foreign scene.
On June 27 2017 12:45 reps)squishy wrote: I think hosts of the cup should consider region locking it. Region locking has been done before. I would feel better knowing donated money would go back into the foreign scene.
I can't tell if I want to laugh, slam my head into a table, or feel bad that you have no idea what's happened in this thread.
We've been over this, please go read the THIRTY OTHER PAGES OF THIS THREAD.
On June 27 2017 12:45 reps)squishy wrote: I think hosts of the cup should consider region locking it. Region locking has been done before. I would feel better knowing donated money would go back into the foreign scene.
I can't tell if I want to laugh, slam my head into a table, or feel bad that you have no idea what's happened in this thread.
We've been over this, please go read the THIRTY OTHER PAGES OF THIS THREAD.
Your condescension is not appreciated. Many people share this sentiment, and just because it has been covered does not the concern disappears. Time has shown persistent results, can this not be addressed?
On June 27 2017 12:45 reps)squishy wrote: I think hosts of the cup should consider region locking it. Region locking has been done before. I would feel better knowing donated money would go back into the foreign scene.
I can't tell if I want to laugh, slam my head into a table, or feel bad that you have no idea what's happened in this thread.
We've been over this, please go read the THIRTY OTHER PAGES OF THIS THREAD.
Your condescension is not appreciated. Many people share this sentiment, and just because it has been covered does not the concern disappears. Time has shown persistent results, can this not be addressed?
this has literally been addressed before. people are not going to budge on their arguments. your intellectual laziness warrants the condescension because there are literally 30 pages if you want to view the argument. People have made their statements, people have seen it and taken their sides, you aren't going to convince anyone anymore. move on.
On June 27 2017 12:45 reps)squishy wrote: I think hosts of the cup should consider region locking it. Region locking has been done before. I would feel better knowing donated money would go back into the foreign scene.
I can't tell if I want to laugh, slam my head into a table, or feel bad that you have no idea what's happened in this thread.
We've been over this, please go read the THIRTY OTHER PAGES OF THIS THREAD.
Your condescension is not appreciated. Many people share this sentiment, and just because it has been covered does not the concern disappears. Time has shown persistent results, can this not be addressed?
This has been discussed to death (like this was the most dominating topic in recent weeks). No one of either side is gonna budge on their view of the issue. And the next cup will probably be the last edition of this tournament for now. No need to breed discord again in this community right before Filthys (probable) last tournament for now.
I also suggest you drop this topic for your sake
On June 15 2017 23:29 BisuDagger wrote: I'm unlocking this thread. Discussion must be relevant to the tournament and organizer only. Bans will happen if you bring the "vs Korean" discussion into this thread.
When did region locking happen? Not here to continue the argument nor bring up fights. I just want to know the evidence. I believe filthycup and have at you both are opened to everyone, and they never did the region lock. Prove me if im wrong.
Also, if you are gonna talk about region lock in defiler tour, thats unrelated to this.
Region locking discussion ends here please. I love how I randomly check the thread and this comes back up. I'll be back later with a hammer if I see anything beyond this post. If you want to reply to scan you can do so here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/428360-bw-general-discussion
On June 27 2017 22:30 FilthyRake wrote: Hoping to have the code working soon - I'm trying to snag more $$ worth of coupons for this event
I'll promote your code in future event casts. Would love for you to tell people to donate to the FAT vs Ajae event with code "FATBW" while people are on there if you find time.
On June 27 2017 20:46 BisuDagger wrote: Region locking discussion ends here please. I love how I randomly check the thread and this comes back up. I'll be back later with a hammer if I see anything beyond this post. If you want to reply to scan you can do so here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/428360-bw-general-discussion
My apologies, I did not read the entire thread. Anyway exited to hear Day[9] cast! And go Sziky!
I dont see why anyone can be excited about having Day9 cast. He has been faaar away from BW for a very long time. odds of him having anything substantial to add to the cast are slim to non-existant. Im hoping someone knowledgeable would cast.
How about the guys that did cast ASL on the Afreeca-Strim ?
On June 28 2017 02:49 AncientSion wrote: I dont see why anyone can be excited about having Day9 cast. He has been faaar away from BW for a very long time. odds of him having anything substantial to add to the cast are slim to non-existant. Im hoping someone knowledgeable would cast.
How about the guys that did cast ASL on the Afreeca-Strim ?
Having Day9 back is awesome. He is TL family and will always be loved. Not every cast needs to be an expert, sometimes just having someone we appreciate dearly is nice too. Plus words of encouragement could bring him back into the scene, instead of the alternative attitude of "we don't want him if he doesn't cast perfectly". I swear to god if anyone else posts something that isn't enthusiastic about Day9's guest appearance I'm going to bring down the house.
Lol? Day9 probably had more knowledge than every poster in this 33 page thread, and he has been watching BW (he has made tweets about ex-pro streamed games). On top of that, he has always been very popular, inside and outside of the BW community (that Mong vs Bisu game had like 25k views iirc). Best choice possible imo, and big thanks to Filthy for this (and the whole tournament)
On June 28 2017 02:49 AncientSion wrote: I dont see why anyone can be excited about having Day9 cast. He has been faaar away from BW for a very long time. odds of him having anything substantial to add to the cast are slim to non-existant. Im hoping someone knowledgeable would cast.
How about the guys that did cast ASL on the Afreeca-Strim ?
You know i've been commentating with like, D/C iccup-level commentators right? Didn't complain about that but you're complaining about Day9!?
On June 27 2017 02:38 SCC-Faust wrote: I signed up. I hope I win. It is my dream to have day9 cast me.
On June 28 2017 04:28 SCC-Faust wrote: It has always been my dream to be casted by Day9. I hope I win a few rounds or at least perform well against one of the foreign titans.
Wow, people will literally complain about ANYTHING on tl. I'm super pumped for this. I agree that doible elim would be appropriate for this! I loved it last weekend in have at you!
On June 28 2017 04:47 IShowUMagic wrote: Wow, people will literally complain about ANYTHING on tl. I'm super pumped for this. I agree that doible elim would be appropriate for this! I loved it last weekend in have at you!
This is true everywhere... as someone's mother used to say, if you lay down for someone to walk over you, someone is still gonna complain that you aren't flat enough. The world is not always going to agree with you. However, most people love Filthy BW. Most people agree with the decisions the organizer/admins have made. But people keep blowing up and responding to the vocal minority and then the topic becomes a misconstrued crap show.
You know i've been commentating with like, D/C iccup-level commentators right? Didn't complain about that but you're complaining about Day9!?
Why would i complain about your cast ? For starters, you are "newish" and its known, so expections arent through the roof in the first place (no offense). Secondly, you have a co-caster. Thirdly, the fact that you work for the community even when it was smaller then it is now gives you some credibility, contrary to what i think of Day9, who isnt, as far as im concerned, doing **** for BW, except when he can cast some big tournaments to get exposure. I have very vivid memores of the last time he did cast, and that was really, REALLY weird commentary as far as im concerned. Now, the only reason i can think off that is good about Day9 casting might be the fact that perhaps a few of his followers will watch BW and maybe 0.1 % of them will stick with the game.
Also, im entitled to my own opinion, BisuDagger, right ? Im saying i would prefer a professional cast with knowledgeable casters. Its a valid opinion, even if you dont like it.
You know i've been commentating with like, D/C iccup-level commentators right? Didn't complain about that but you're complaining about Day9!?
Why would i complain about your cast ? For starters, you are "newish" and its known, so expections arent through the roof in the first place (no offense). Secondly, you have a co-caster. Thirdly, the fact that you work for the community even when it was smaller then it is now gives you some credibility, contrary to what i think of Day9, who isnt, as far as im concerned, doing **** for BW, except when he can cast some big tournaments to get exposure. I have very vivid memores of the last time he did cast, and that was really, REALLY weird commentary as far as im concerned. Now, the only reason i can think off that is good about Day9 casting might be the fact that perhaps a few of his followers will watch BW and maybe 0.1 % of them will stick with the game.
Also, im entitled to my own opinion, BisuDagger, right ? Im saying i would prefer a professional cast with knowledgeable casters. Its a valid opinion, even if you dont like it.
Please research the history of day9 and what he did and what he meant for the BW community. Opinions are fine, but being humble is good too, yeah? I agree 100% with Bisudagger and his assesment of Day9s upcoming co-cast. Most of us who have been around for a while have big respect for Day9. There is a reason why you know. And that is why i say: do your research, please.
Edit: And what is this tournament you have very vivid memories of? Last time Day9 commentated BW was TSL2 in 2009 no? And he was INCREDIBLE. Hands down.
You know i've been commentating with like, D/C iccup-level commentators right? Didn't complain about that but you're complaining about Day9!?
Why would i complain about your cast ? For starters, you are "newish" and its known, so expections arent through the roof in the first place (no offense). Secondly, you have a co-caster. Thirdly, the fact that you work for the community even when it was smaller then it is now gives you some credibility, contrary to what i think of Day9, who isnt, as far as im concerned, doing **** for BW, except when he can cast some big tournaments to get exposure. I have very vivid memores of the last time he did cast, and that was really, REALLY weird commentary as far as im concerned. Now, the only reason i can think off that is good about Day9 casting might be the fact that perhaps a few of his followers will watch BW and maybe 0.1 % of them will stick with the game.
Also, im entitled to my own opinion, BisuDagger, right ? Im saying i would prefer a professional cast with knowledgeable casters. Its a valid opinion, even if you dont like it.
Why don't people like you stop complaining and throw an event on your own that exceeds expectations?
FilthyRake is sponsoring these out of his own pocket expecting nothing in return. Can you at least show some gratitude? Ungrateful AF.
Joined April 2017. 11 posts. Thinks Day9 knows nothing about bw.
On another note, are there any replay packs available of the filthybw tournaments? Or any of the recent tournaments? I'm finding as someone who hasn't played bw in a long time it's very difficult to find replays...especially replay packs. I understand it's important for casters to get views...maybe we could get replays of the games that aren't on stream?
On June 28 2017 09:39 IShowUMagic wrote: Joined April 2017. 11 posts. Thinks Day9 knows nothing about bw.
On another note, are there any replay packs available of the filthybw tournaments? Or any of the recent tournaments? I'm finding as someone who hasn't played bw in a long time it's very difficult to find replays...especially replay packs. I understand it's important for casters to get views...maybe we could get replays of the games that aren't on stream?
To be clear: Day[9] is casting, and I wont even *consider* having someone else cast in his place.
Why am I having him cast? Honestly, because he's in insanely good caster, he loves brood war, and he's a friend of mine and offered to do it.
As tends to be my philosophy with any complaints regarding my tournament at this point: if you dont like it, fuck off, I dont care :D Since this is the last one of these I'm running, the number of fucks I give is at an all time low haha.
Regarding double-elimination... Hmm... Will consider it! Probably have a decision on that tomorrow or thursday.
On June 28 2017 12:47 FilthyRake wrote: Why am I having him cast? Honestly, because he's in insanely good caster, he loves brood war, and he's a friend of mine and offered to do it.
Holy crap, one time Day9 played with me in a BGH or Race Wars (can't remember) on Shieldbattery and it was a super fun experience. He even talked to me. I wish I saved the audio clips. He is a really cool guy.
On June 28 2017 02:49 AncientSion wrote: I dont see why anyone can be excited about having Day9 cast. He has been faaar away from BW for a very long time. odds of him having anything substantial to add to the cast are slim to non-existant. Im hoping someone knowledgeable would cast.
How about the guys that did cast ASL on the Afreeca-Strim ?
You know i've been commentating with like, D/C iccup-level commentators right? Didn't complain about that but you're complaining about Day9!?
I'd like to mention that iccup skill level doesn't matter so much to commentary as long as the people have good insight to the game, and are maybe just really slow players or players who can't execute the insights they have xD Bisudagger, myself, are probably like D/D+ players on iccup. EsportsJohn literally just joined the scene for BW and did excellent as a cocaster. I know you know this but some people might not haha.
Guys, relax abit. One guy voiced his opinion, stop the bullying.
I'm really glad to see Day9 cast, quite nostalgic. He had great knowledge once and it's quite easy to pick back as the game hasn't changed that much really. I've been lurking for a while and I'm excited about the revival of bw!
On June 28 2017 02:49 AncientSion wrote: I dont see why anyone can be excited about having Day9 cast. He has been faaar away from BW for a very long time. odds of him having anything substantial to add to the cast are slim to non-existant. Im hoping someone knowledgeable would cast.
How about the guys that did cast ASL on the Afreeca-Strim ?
tfw someone thinks you're more knowledgeable about BW than Day9
On June 28 2017 20:07 Bonyth wrote: 1 guy stated his non-positive opinion and that was enough to start an uproar and milion of responses :D
Well, my intention wasn't for everyone to take my side and bash the poster. My intention was to avoid the Day9 casting discussion all together in this thread. This thread is cursed with non-relevant discussions.
I would like if the poster wanting more veteran casters to start a thread raising awareness of the importance of casters that have been with the community for a while and point out that we've been sacrificing exorbitant amounts of time to cast everything we possibly can for free. Even though I'm not one personally after money as I've reinvested anything I earned back into the community, we still need to find a way repay these guys. We need to not only support foreign BW players, but also start supporting foreign casters and finding a way to give back to them for their countless hours of devotion. Personally, I've recently changed my goals for the BW scene and that includes finding a way to sponsor casters and spark interest in commentating for all the events I have coming down the line. I hope that the poster could read this and feel inspired to find ways to support the veteran caster community too or think of ways where we could be more inviting to new high-skilled casters. Currently our caster pool is far too small and we really need more help at all levels non-ASL.
On June 28 2017 09:39 IShowUMagic wrote: Joined April 2017. 11 posts. Thinks Day9 knows nothing about bw.
I have played this game competetive more than 15 years ago and have been watching streams since about 2011ish, waaaay before the current surge in casters and viewers. Calling me out because my TL account is "new" doesnt give you any credibility at all. Id say its a very weak argument, if you can even call it that.
On June 28 2017 23:37 BisuDagger wrote:. We need to not only support foreign BW players, but also start supporting foreign casters and finding a way to give back to them for their countless hours of devotion. Personally, I've recently changed my goals for the BW scene and that includes finding a way to sponsor casters and spark interest in commentating for all the events I have coming down the line. L.
Oh wait. You mean for example donations ? Like the donations i did (twice) for the alternate ASL2 stream on afreeca ? So, what you are suggesting, i already did. Twice. Unlike 99 % of the other guys in this community. Way to go calling me out :D
On June 28 2017 09:39 IShowUMagic wrote: Joined April 2017. 11 posts. Thinks Day9 knows nothing about bw.
I have played this game competetive more than 15 years ago and have been watching streams since about 2011ish, waaaay before the current surge in casters and viewers. Calling me out because my TL account is "new" doesnt give you any credibility at all. Id say its a very weak argument, if you can even call it that.
On June 28 2017 23:37 BisuDagger wrote:. We need to not only support foreign BW players, but also start supporting foreign casters and finding a way to give back to them for their countless hours of devotion. Personally, I've recently changed my goals for the BW scene and that includes finding a way to sponsor casters and spark interest in commentating for all the events I have coming down the line. L.
Oh wait. You mean for example donations ? Like the donations i did (twice) for the alternate ASL2 stream on afreeca ? So, what you are suggesting, i already did. Twice. Unlike 99 % of the other guys in this community. Way to go calling me out :D
back2topic
I'm not attacking you and I appreciate your opinions and contributions. I hope you are well and that your day is good. That is all.
On June 28 2017 23:37 BisuDagger wrote: We need to not only support foreign BW players, but also start supporting foreign casters and finding a way to give back to them for their countless hours of devotion.
Please don't. There's not one person who needs the money so desperately. It gives false signals. Whoever does this out of devotion of the games cares for comments a lot more than he does for money. I can see an army of "aspiring" casters coming out of their corners, who do artificial hype and after a few months announce their great plans failed and it was all the community's fault and that the community was missing out.
In addition to directly donating money, we've got some rewards attached to the event. These are things you can buy (Dreamhack Atlanta tickets, mice, etc). These not only have some cool discounts on their prices, but part of the cost (and if you pick an item it will tell you how much) will go towards the prize pool of the event!
I'm surprised we were even able to get Day9 to cast this. It's hard for me to imagine a better person to cast an English BW tournament (other than maybe his brother Nick and Artosis). Can't wait!
On June 29 2017 11:40 pomwine wrote: I'm surprised we were even able to get Day9 to cast this. It's hard for me to imagine a better person to cast an English BW tournament (other than maybe his brother Nick and Artosis). Can't wait!
honestly, I didnt even have to ask him (really). When I announced the tournaments and was asking who wanted to cast, he volunteered.
On June 29 2017 11:40 pomwine wrote: I'm surprised we were even able to get Day9 to cast this. It's hard for me to imagine a better person to cast an English BW tournament (other than maybe his brother Nick and Artosis). Can't wait!
honestly, I didnt even have to ask him (really). When I announced the tournaments and was asking who wanted to cast, he volunteered.
On June 29 2017 11:40 pomwine wrote: I'm surprised we were even able to get Day9 to cast this. It's hard for me to imagine a better person to cast an English BW tournament (other than maybe his brother Nick and Artosis). Can't wait!
honestly, I didnt even have to ask him (really). When I announced the tournaments and was asking who wanted to cast, he volunteered.
But... but I thought Day9 HATES BW
He's been watching ton of BW lately (lurking in LOT of streams), and according to himself, he is preparing for a new BW series for his channel.
1.) We are still going to be casting from replays. The cast will start around 2pm Pacific. So *make sure to send replays*. 2.) We are sticking with Single Elimination. We agree that double is better, however we have some time constraints around the event this weekend/casting.
Question. I am uh... not a good player... probably way worse than anyone else in this tournament. But I kind of want to enter anyway, just to be a part of this last-ever special event, see what I can do, and maybe get a replay casted. Is it OK if I enter just for fun, or would that just waste everyone's time and imbalance the tournament?
On July 01 2017 10:28 Luddite wrote: Question. I am uh... not a good player... probably way worse than anyone else in this tournament. But I kind of want to enter anyway, just to be a part of this last-ever special event. Is it OK if I enter just for fun, or would that just waste everyone's time and imbalance the tournament?
On July 01 2017 10:28 Luddite wrote: Question. I am uh... not a good player... probably way worse than anyone else in this tournament. But I kind of want to enter anyway, just to be a part of this last-ever special event, see what I can do, and maybe get a replay casted. Is it OK if I enter just for fun, or would that just waste everyone's time and imbalance the tournament?
You and me both bro. It is a good way to show support and have a good time and play some big names. It isn't about winning, it is about the experience! BASK IN THE EXPERIENCE.
On July 01 2017 10:28 Luddite wrote: Question. I am uh... not a good player... probably way worse than anyone else in this tournament. But I kind of want to enter anyway, just to be a part of this last-ever special event, see what I can do, and maybe get a replay casted. Is it OK if I enter just for fun, or would that just waste everyone's time and imbalance the tournament?
Silly question Of course you should enter. That's what the tournament is for!
I really appreciated your help for the BW foreigner community and hope that ,if somehow this community grow and BW becomes a thing ,Blizzard will take you casters in account for next official tournaments. BW at Blizzcon is still my wet dream...
This week, we are asking that there be NO personal streams of this event
I know that normally we allow this - however, this week we would like to ask that folks refrain from streaming their matches. We would really like to avoid spoilers, and maximize folks' enjoyment on the main stream.
I want an interview from true about how he did prepare for this tourney and the mindset he had playing this.i think from all the tourneys this is the one i did learn the most thanks to true.
Thanks everyone so much for coming in and playing.
Despite all the tech issues, today was a pretty great day. I hope everyone enjoyed everything. Big thanks to everyone for donating and helping us get such a crazy prizepool.
In about half an hour I'll do payouts. if it hasnt hit $1,000 on its own, I will donate the difference to make sure we reward our awesome top 4 players.
While this was the last Filthy BW Cup, there are plenty of others out there. I definitely suggest everyone check out Schamtoo's Have at You!
And of course, thanks to my admins (Ty2 and SNM) and casters. Day[9] was a real pleasure to have today, and of course Schamtoo has stayed strong and cast every single tour.
I want to first apologize: - Technical issues caused a lot of unforseen issues, it created delays and harmed players chances of winning. - I casted... pretty badly. Excuses aside, next time I cast I will do better. Going to watch over the video and just figure out why I spouting out bad info. Said a lot of wrong things and lost train of thought a lot NEXT TIME!
Now! for thanks: - Hats off to Filthy. He joined into this whole "I'm going to make a ton of BW tournaments" and wanted to do the same with me. We talked a bit and he ended up just following a lot of what I had put down. He's been an awesome person to bounce ideas with and talk about tournaments. His $ into the scene is double what Have At You is, so we created a lot of reward for those long time players. Thanks, Filthy! - All the players! We had a lot of disagreements, sure. When I reached out to all of you though, we had some great amazing discussions when not on TL threads, lol. <3 the Filthy players. - Viewers, every week end over end. You all showed up and had some fun discussions. - Day9, SNM, Jealous, BisuDagger and everyone else who's casted these games. Love BW Casters Been so fun to cast these all with you all!
Thanks everyone who's been involved with these tournaments. Great times. Hopefully this spurs some of you to want to TO a new Tour to take it's place.
On July 03 2017 22:01 SchAmToo wrote: Hey everyone!
I want to first apologize: - Technical issues caused a lot of unforseen issues, it created delays and harmed players chances of winning. - I casted... pretty badly. Excuses aside, next time I cast I will do better. Going to watch over the video and just figure out why I spouting out bad info. Said a lot of wrong things and lost train of thought a lot NEXT TIME!
Now! for thanks: - Hats off to Filthy. He joined into this whole "I'm going to make a ton of BW tournaments" and wanted to do the same with me. We talked a bit and he ended up just following a lot of what I had put down. He's been an awesome person to bounce ideas with and talk about tournaments. His $ into the scene is double what Have At You is, so we created a lot of reward for those long time players. Thanks, Filthy! - All the players! We had a lot of disagreements, sure. When I reached out to all of you though, we had some great amazing discussions when not on TL threads, lol. <3 the Filthy players. - Viewers, every week end over end. You all showed up and had some fun discussions. - Day9, SNM, Jealous, BisuDagger and everyone else who's casted these games. Love BW Casters Been so fun to cast these all with you all!
Thanks everyone who's been involved with these tournaments. Great times. Hopefully this spurs some of you to want to TO a new Tour to take it's place.
Hopefully I can pick up the mantle on organizing these tournaments as long as I can get you and other casters on board. Big thanks to you and Filthy for all the hard work!
On July 04 2017 01:51 EndingLife wrote: Thanks for the cast! There were "soooooooo many" memorable moments.
yeah I'm noticing now I say that a lot (ಥ﹏ಥ)
Man relax,u were casting with day9 ibet for u and evzryone it was just a magic day,my only complain is that your voice was really quiet compared to his.but as i said it was a magic day,i have so much respect for day thanks to him many of us improved at this game
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Or if you want you can kick in more - that's always cool too! 
So I am taking input from my high level BW friends to guide my decisions here.
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fischei made the quarter finals this time. Anybody knows who this raw gosu talent is? ![[image loading]](http://ggdb.ru/images/starcraft/units/probe.gif)
