EPTSad that the community is so toxic.
Filthy BW Cup Weekly - Page 29
| Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments |
|
neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
Sad that the community is so toxic. | ||
|
L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On June 13 2017 06:12 trutaCz wrote: If u could play a LOT of games, and still being just owned infinite times by X player, without chances to win, maybe ur mindset would be different? I know I would not have a different mindset in other activites. I race bikes, road racing, here in Colorado. It's an incredibly competitive state for racing. At any given race you can bet that there will be 10-20 guys in the field that are current pros, former pros, or national champions. I'm a strong rider, but not at the level of a national champion or TdF cyclist, and in most races I get absolutely pummeled by that tier of talent. I've had some races, 4 or 5 hour races, especially if they start with a hard climb, where I've been dropped from the group and already lost in the first 10 minutes. It can be frustrating, especially when it feels like you got destroyed without even being able to put up a fight, but at the same time it's one of the absolute best ways of getting better, and perhaps even more importantly to me is that at the end of the day it's still me out there, riding a bike full gas in Colorado; which is pretty damn awesome. I've never had the dedication or time to play hundreds of BW games with a single player; so I cannot speak with 100% confidence in BW. I suspect I would still have my current mindset, because I draw many parallels between sport and BW, and because I certainly don't mind playing games for 3 or 4 hours with someone vastly better than me. I'm getting smashed, but it's fun and engaging trying to figure out why this is happeneing and what can I start to do to lessen that, not to mention it's just generally fun trying to click on units, microing armies, etc. | ||
|
ldv
United States103 Posts
On June 13 2017 06:12 trutaCz wrote: If u could play a LOT of games, and still being just owned infinite times by X player, without chances to win, maybe ur mindset would be different? this is the weak mentality that people are talking about when they say you'll never get better than you are now. | ||
|
Cryoc
Germany909 Posts
On June 13 2017 03:25 SchAmToo wrote: LOL I think saying a few players salty mentality is the reason Foreign != Korea is a bit drastic. No one in the right mind should make that 1 to 1 allusion. I would say it definitely doesn't help though. As for 1.18: I'm going to make the new ruleset for 1.18 tonight. If people are down to move to 1.18 we can do it this weekend or next. Keep in mind a few things:
As someone who was glad when you returned to 1.16, I think 1.18 is now good enough to play the remaining tourneys. @L_master Your comparison with biking doesn't fit for a lot of reasons. You can't tell me that you would be stoked to race the same and only pro in the race every week (especially if your placement would depend largely on when he overtakes you). Edit: And I don't know why people keep responding to that idv guy, his only goal is obviously more drama. | ||
|
trutaCz
Poland686 Posts
On June 13 2017 06:27 ldv wrote: this is the weak mentality that people are talking about when they say you'll never get better than you are now. This is the ignore for you. | ||
|
ldv
United States103 Posts
On June 13 2017 06:28 Cryoc wrote: As someone who was glad when you returned to 1.16, I think 1.18 is now good enough to play the remaining tourneys. @L_master Your comparison with biking doesn't fit for a lot of reasons. You can't tell me that you would be stoked to race the same and only pro in the race every week (especially if your placement would depend largely on when he overtakes you). I think L_Master can tell you that, and would, because that's the hallmark of a healthy competitive mentality. I highly recommend reading 'The Inner Game of Tennis' (it's not really about tennis). It will introduce you to the midnset of the top .1% of athletes and competitors. | ||
|
ldv
United States103 Posts
oh no whatever shall i do User was warned for this post | ||
|
L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On June 13 2017 06:28 Cryoc wrote: As someone who was glad when you returned to 1.16, I think 1.18 is now good enough to play the remaining tourneys. @L_master Your comparison with biking doesn't fit for a lot of reasons. You can't tell me that you would be stoked to race the same and only pro in the race every week (especially if your placement would depend largely on when he overtakes you). That wouldn't quite be analogous to BW tours, because in a BW tour you get to play a vast variety of players, many of whom are excellent competition. So you race and beat alot of people, but at some people end up getting dropped by the "big boys" in the race. That said, I'm quite confident I'd be happy to race the same pro (or rather in the same pro field) over and over. It'd be rough, I'd get dropped earlier and often, but I'd still be out there doing about the best thing you possibly can to improve and out there riding my bike. Pretty good day in my book. I can tell you my placing would not matter to me at all 95% of the time, because the goals are 1)improve, 2)have fun. Both of those have no relation to whether I win by 10 minutes or get dropped in the first 5 minutes and finish 30' behind the winner. The only time that might matter is if I really needed results to qualify for something. Outside of that, you always try to win in the race, but once it's over it makes no difference where you finished. EDIT: You're post seems to be more emphasized on placing than I thought. I really don't see why or how that matters unless you're concerned with either money or needing results to qualify for a more important event. | ||
|
Randos
Germany48 Posts
Please keep doing the great job guys! You rule! | ||
|
Bonyth
Poland591 Posts
On June 13 2017 05:48 L_Master wrote: If I could play in tournies with FlaSh, Bisu, EffOrt all the time would I decline playing them? Hell no! In fact I'd be incredibly excited, and I'm a tenth of the player that a Bonyth or TrutacZ is. The mindset is alien to me. You've got the opportunity to play tours with highly talented players and many seem to decline, or even actively complain, about the situation? Ye it feels different playing against Scan and playing against the likes of Flash Bisu Jaedong. It's not the sensation where u're playing the legend. And trust me on that, I've played a lot of progamers, with occasional success. My mindset? I play to win and to get money so my girl can spend it. I hate losing more than anything. Also, every side would have been satisfied, if organizers went for a compromise. For example: 1 week Open-Tour, 2nd non-korean tour. Imagine that, everyone happy. Hell even more, if that would happen, we would be actually able to see the difference in people signing up for both of the tours :D Of course, that's not an option now, but maybe other sponsors arrive with SC:R release so we can suggest this idea if the organizer is pro-open tournaments. | ||
|
SchAmToo
United States1141 Posts
On June 13 2017 05:13 TheNewEra wrote: It feels alot like what we've read in parts in the "What happened to Moletrap" thread. Casters and Content Creators doing it out of passion, getting close to no returns and still getting shit on all the times. Exactly. Everyone is so sad those casters left, yet look what constant bickering goes on every day for those of us who're trying to contribute to the scene. If it's not in some person's perfect vision, then suddenly it's just 50 pages of pointless arguments. Yet, the organizer says he's leaving because of the constant complaints/arguments, and still people use this thread to argue more. | ||
|
L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On June 13 2017 06:56 Bonyth wrote: Ye it feels different playing against Scan and playing against the likes of Flash Bisu Jaedong. It's not the sensation where u're playing the legend. And trust me on that, I've played a lot of progamers, with occasional success. My mindset? I play to win and to get money so my girl can spend it. I hate losing more than anything. Also, every side would have been satisfied, if organizers went for a compromise. For example: 1 week Open-Tour, 2nd non-korean tour. Imagine that, everyone happy. Hell even more, if that would happen, we would be actually able to see the difference in people signing up for both of the tours :D Of course, that's not an option now, but maybe other sponsors arrive with SC:R release so we can suggest this idea if the organizer is pro-open tournaments. Hmm that part I should have been more clear, reading what I wrote it could easily be read as I would be excited that I'm getting to play these legendary players. While that novely factor and opportunity would be cool, I meant that I would generally enjoy playing that level of skill. I haven't tried it for 10 hours, but if guys like scan wanted to play 30 games a day with me I'd be quite excited about the offer if I had that time for BW. I might feel different ten hours later, but knowing myself from other sports and in general I would bet against that. | ||
|
SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
On June 13 2017 06:56 Bonyth wrote: My mindset? I play to win and to get money so my girl can spend it. I didn't think it was possible to like you any more than I already do, but you proved me wrong. I hope you take Ms. Bonyth out to a nice dinner and give her kissies! | ||
|
[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6782 Posts
the first: i think that was 1 week ago or mb 2 ?i think was 1.We were on the channel filthy cup .i think it was bonyth me and Ty2 and i dont remember if trutacz was there.and filthy told us there was only 3 cups left and about day9 casting a tourney with higher prizepool,We did ask him if the low numbers playing the tourney was the problem and he told us not,that he was busy and he didnt have time(i dont remember exactly sorry).but im sure ty2 can confirm or correct me) to keep as admin of the event.So yeah we knew already 1 week ago about the 3 tourneys left.and this is the reason i gave a feedback again(proly not in the best proper way here today)and i see everything just going crazy like always.and now it looks like me and trutacz basically made filthy cancel the whole thing.is not like this. Second:i really love how for weeks or months every poster here trash talking and giving shit to us didnt come to play a single tourney,didnt actually took the time to post in the threads.just look how dead are the threads of haveatyou,there was one chinese posting Scan results or something,and thats it.same with every defiler tourney,bonyth won 3 tourneys in a row in the old school map series,no one did comment,is us the players or mb one guy that really care posted.but when it comes to post sh*t,talk sh*t and spread sh*t you are all here.comenting like experts and telling us to get gud.are you seriously ?u know when u say this community is toxic you are right.but is not us the players.but you the sh*t posters.anyway thanks alot for the drama and the useless trash talk.not doubt there is almost no one left. | ||
|
SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
On June 13 2017 07:37 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Second:i really love how for weeks or months every poster here trash talking and giving shit to us didnt come to play a single tourney, I think this a really good point. People criticizing other players who do not want to play Scan/Koreans while they themselves do not enter the tournament. It is like the pot calling the kettle black. Unfortunately FilthyBW was scheduled on top of a league I was running for a few weeks, and then on top of Coach/Pupil League as well (both leagues have over 50-60 players in it) but judging from Have At You! which is free from scheduling issues with other tournaments/leagues, rarely anyone joins in except the same names every week. I've even been posting links and encouraging people to play in the discords I'm apart of, but ironically it seems like players don't want to join a league that (gasp) has better players than them. But when it comes to these threads, everyone seems to be an expert on the subject lol. | ||
|
krooked
376 Posts
On June 13 2017 07:52 SCC-Faust wrote: I think this a really good point. People criticizing other players who do not want to play Scan/Koreans while they themselves do not enter the tournament. It is like the pot calling the kettle black. Unfortunately FilthyBW was scheduled on top of a league I was running for a few weeks, and then on top of Coach/Pupil League as well (both leagues have over 50-60 players in it) but judging from Have At You! which is free from scheduling issues with other tournaments/leagues, rarely anyone joins in except the same names every week. I've even been posting links and encouraging people to play in the discords I'm apart of, but ironically it seems like players don't want to join a league that (gasp) has better players than them. But when it comes to these threads, everyone seems to be an expert on the subject lol. Why would any of us have to be a high level tournament player to have an opinion on the matter? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Scan is ethnically a korean, but he is not a former pro player and thus stands on the exact same ground as all of the foreigners. Banning him from the tournament seems borderline racist and is completely absurd. All the high level foreigners wanting him banned are essentially salty because a new breed player is dominating foreign tournaments and pointing at his korean background as a reason, while the fact is that he has no fair or unfair benefits over the other players except simply being better. Me being a D----- player or an olympic former pro gamer changes nothing about this statement. If I were to play in tournaments, I would be assblasted by every single one of you, wouldn't even notice the difference between playing the worst player besides me or scan. Wanting him banned is just ABSURD: I don't know why this tournament was called off, but if it is because of this dumb discussion then the players constantly igniting it is to be blamed. Because the discussion is just ridiculous and unreasonable. Don't ban a player for being best. Its retarded. | ||
|
SchAmToo
United States1141 Posts
I'm tired of random people coming in here, starting up arguments with players and degrading them. The players have given their opinion. The spectators have given their opinion. If i were to stop this tournament, it would be because whenever I hold it, i get 10000 messages of "WHY SCAN ALLOWED" followed by "U BAD, GIT GUD INSTEAD OF COMPLAIN OF SCAN" and the bickering that surrounds my event every god damn time. If you're coming into this thread to argue about region-locking, banning scan, why foreign broodwar is failing, why players are bad, idc. Get the hell out of this thread. My next step is just ask to get this thread locked. If you have CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM about the tournament! Like 1.18, map pool, smash.gg, payout, admins, etc. YOU ARE WELCOME TO DO SO. Hell, if you want to say the casters suck, or are awesome. I actually would LOVE to have some caster feedback here too. (As long as you're not just being a dick). | ||
|
SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
On June 13 2017 08:27 krooked wrote: Why would any of us have to be a high level tournament player to have an opinion on the matter? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I think this is a really good point. Often times you don't have to stand in the rain to know you'll get wet. Although walking a mile in someone's shoes can provide different viewpoints and maybe a stronger understanding of their situation, I believe if we all walk the same mile in our own shoes, we can still understand the trials and tribulations of someone who has a pair of Converse as opposed to our Nikes. That said, we can't possibly capture all the nuances of a walk with other shoes, but we can brush upon the facets that remain most important of the hike. Basically what I'm trying to say is, maybe people aren't necessarily looking through rose tinted glasses at the situation, but rather a one way mirror into the bathroom that is these threads. We are watching the situation unfold from all angles at the people who can only see their reflection. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
| ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19299 Posts
| ||
| ||
