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On June 13 2017 01:25 Bakuryuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2017 01:18 supernovamaniac wrote:
If anyone wonders why foreigners can't play at Korean levels or at least come close, direct them to this thread and show them the foreigner's mentality at this game.
Also, people should stop using the term "foreign pros", this is anything but "professional" mindset that any pro players should have. please do not assume all foreigners are the same. i fucking hate this bitching for the last 4 years. this alone destroyed my fun with bw.
Sorry for generalizing (u cool bakuryu), but I am really getting pissed off to a point where I am just giving up hope for any top foreigner.
With current mindset, I dont see any "top" player being able to win a tournament when all they yell is "I can't beat this player from Korea, plz ban."
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On June 13 2017 01:29 supernovamaniac wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2017 01:25 Bakuryuu wrote:On June 13 2017 01:18 supernovamaniac wrote:
If anyone wonders why foreigners can't play at Korean levels or at least come close, direct them to this thread and show them the foreigner's mentality at this game.
Also, people should stop using the term "foreign pros", this is anything but "professional" mindset that any pro players should have. please do not assume all foreigners are the same. i fucking hate this bitching for the last 4 years. this alone destroyed my fun with bw. Sorry for generalizing (u cool bakuryu), but I am really getting pissed off to a point where I am just giving up hope for any top foreigner. With current mindset, I dont see any "top" player being able to win a tournament when all they yell is "I can't beat this player from Korea, plz ban."
it doesnt make sense,i and others also recommended to put the tourney in a more friendly time to invite others koreans too.(right now it is 4 am in Korea)
will you not love to see Shinee vs scan or beast vs Scan ?im sure i will.
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On June 13 2017 01:29 supernovamaniac wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2017 01:25 Bakuryuu wrote:On June 13 2017 01:18 supernovamaniac wrote:
If anyone wonders why foreigners can't play at Korean levels or at least come close, direct them to this thread and show them the foreigner's mentality at this game.
Also, people should stop using the term "foreign pros", this is anything but "professional" mindset that any pro players should have. please do not assume all foreigners are the same. i fucking hate this bitching for the last 4 years. this alone destroyed my fun with bw. Sorry for generalizing (u cool bakuryu), but I am really getting pissed off to a point where I am just giving up hope for any top foreigner. With current mindset, I dont see any "top" player being able to win a tournament when all they yell is "I can't beat this player from Korea, plz ban."
Seriously ? That's all you can remember from this discussion ? Pro (or top foreigner, i don't care how we call them) crying ?
You didn't see any others arguments ?
Guys, you can't have an open mind even if you disagree with someone ? I was for a ban from Scan to this tournament and i'm still but i can understand you guys who wants Scan in this tournament. How can't you understand those want a ban ? Is this that stupid from them ? They are just crying ? really ?
I think it's always good to discuss problems and foreign community really need a good talk but stop being an asshole and try to understand each other before writing bullshits.
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On June 13 2017 01:39 KenZy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2017 01:29 supernovamaniac wrote:On June 13 2017 01:25 Bakuryuu wrote:On June 13 2017 01:18 supernovamaniac wrote:
If anyone wonders why foreigners can't play at Korean levels or at least come close, direct them to this thread and show them the foreigner's mentality at this game.
Also, people should stop using the term "foreign pros", this is anything but "professional" mindset that any pro players should have. please do not assume all foreigners are the same. i fucking hate this bitching for the last 4 years. this alone destroyed my fun with bw. Sorry for generalizing (u cool bakuryu), but I am really getting pissed off to a point where I am just giving up hope for any top foreigner. With current mindset, I dont see any "top" player being able to win a tournament when all they yell is "I can't beat this player from Korea, plz ban." Seriously ? That's all you can remember from this discussion ? Pro (or top foreigner, i don't care how we call them) crying ? You didn't see any others arguments ? Guys, you can't have an open mind even if you disagree with someone ? I was for a ban from Scan to this tournament and i'm still but i can understand you guys who wants Scan in this tournament. How can't you understand those want a ban ? Is this that stupid from them ? They are just crying ? really ? I think it's always good to discuss problems and foreign community really need a good talk but stop being an asshole and try to understand each other before writing bullshits.
... we do understand the argument, it's just childish and whiny and we don't have patience for it.
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On June 13 2017 01:39 KenZy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2017 01:29 supernovamaniac wrote:On June 13 2017 01:25 Bakuryuu wrote:On June 13 2017 01:18 supernovamaniac wrote:
If anyone wonders why foreigners can't play at Korean levels or at least come close, direct them to this thread and show them the foreigner's mentality at this game.
Also, people should stop using the term "foreign pros", this is anything but "professional" mindset that any pro players should have. please do not assume all foreigners are the same. i fucking hate this bitching for the last 4 years. this alone destroyed my fun with bw. Sorry for generalizing (u cool bakuryu), but I am really getting pissed off to a point where I am just giving up hope for any top foreigner. With current mindset, I dont see any "top" player being able to win a tournament when all they yell is "I can't beat this player from Korea, plz ban." Seriously ? That's all you can remember from this discussion ? Pro (or top foreigner, i don't care how we call them) crying ? You didn't see any others arguments ? Guys, you can't have an open mind even if you disagree with someone ? I was for a ban from Scan to this tournament and i'm still but i can understand you guys who wants Scan in this tournament. How can't you understand those want a ban ? Is this that stupid from them ? They are just crying ? really ? I think it's always good to discuss problems and foreign community really need a good talk but stop being an asshole and try to understand each other before writing bullshits.
When the pro ban-korean fraction starts to bitch every single time (even tho the organizer heart the arguments and made his decission), sent hateful messages to the organizer, and make personal attacks on the Korean participating, it's kinda hard to have a decent discussion.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37120 Posts
Things are getting way too heated in this thread. I will be monitoring it closely. THINK before you post.
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I'm not quite sure what to make of this or any kind of criticism is welcome anymore.
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On June 13 2017 01:48 GeckoXp wrote:
I'm not quite sure what to make of this or any kind of criticism is welcome anymore.
constructive criticism is always welcome. However, constant harassment and refusal to accept decisions once they've been made isnt.
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Russian Federation387 Posts
Sorry, i was on vacation this time and couldn't join tourney.
Sunday time is not comfortable for me: Sunday, Jun 11 10:00pm MSK (GMT+03:00). Can we move tourney time some hours downwards? For example 07:00pm MSK (GMT+03:00)? With this move we can get more EU players to play there also.
Those guys who complain about koreans have no sportsmanship.
Let's make fun, not complain :D
P.S.
Defiler tour have never been non-korean tour. Since Yoda (defiler.ru founder) had started to host defiler tours he restricted to ban koreans. Next defiler tour has another sponsor so he made his choice to make it non-korean.
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On the other hand with the current time we have more Americans participating
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On June 13 2017 01:52 iFU.spx wrote:
Sorry, i was on vacation this time and couldn't join tourney.
Sunday time is not comfortable for me: Sunday, Jun 11 10:00pm MSK (GMT+03:00). Can we move tourney time some hours downwards? For example 07:00pm MSK (GMT+03:00)? With this move we can get more EU players to play there also.
Those guys who complain about koreans have no sportsmanship.
Let's make fun, not complain :D
P.S.
Defiler tour have never been non-korean tour. Since Yoda (defiler.ru founder) had started to host defiler tours he restricted to ban koreans. Next defiler tour has another sponsor so he made his choice to make it non-korean.
Unfortunately, Schamtoo and I are both on the west coast of the US. That would put the start time at 9am for us. While I am an early riser and could probably work with that - Schamtoo isnt :D
I definitely understand that that is late/on an awkward day for our European players... Honestly, since there are only 3 more of these, I probably wont move it. That said, if we were going to host more I would probably try to find a more EU-friendly time, since you guys make up so much of our regular players.
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flithy any chance to change 1-2 maps ?
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51703 Posts
i think using the ASL map pool is the safest bet
fs/cb/camelot/outsider/andromeda
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On June 13 2017 02:03 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
flithy any chance to change 1-2 maps ?
because of the way we do it, I am limited to the map pool that Schamtoo uses for Have at You!
That said, I'll chat with him today and ask about changing it up a little bit.
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Bisutopia19394 Posts
Has anyone suggested Scan off racing? He's done it before in previous tournaments and that seemed to make people happy. In a bo5 he could play Z,T,Z,T,T. I am personally glad Scan has a tournament to participate in even though I understand the concerns of the other players. A year ago we were watching Scan play bo9's against top players and winning 1 game off of him counted as the foreign player winning the series. At least with off racing the gap will be bridged significantly. Anyway, just a food for thought and am not trying to promote that the tournament change in any fashion besides possibly maps.
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On June 13 2017 02:08 FilthyRake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2017 02:03 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
flithy any chance to change 1-2 maps ? because of the way we do it, I am limited to the map pool that Schamtoo uses for Have at You! That said, I'll chat with him today and ask about changing it up a little bit.
Also, talk about 1.18 as well. This turn-rate is really nice IMO
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On June 13 2017 02:15 LaStScan wrote:
Also, talk about 1.18 as well. This turn-rate is really nice IMO
are folks feeling good about the state of 1.18 now?
We didnt do that before because, honestly, people complained that it was too buggy :D If it is fixed and people want to switch, I am happy to do that.
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On June 13 2017 01:18 supernovamaniac wrote:
If anyone wonders why foreigners can't play at Korean levels or at least come close, direct them to this thread and show them the foreigner's mentality at this game.
Also, people should stop using the term "foreign pros", this is anything but "professional" mindset that any pro players should have.
Yes, poor mindset is the reason foreigners aren't at the same level as Korean pros. Not the decade of competitive training environments with full time organized practice and coaching. Will you be winning the next tournament with your superior mentality, SNM?
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On June 13 2017 02:33 Sero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2017 01:18 supernovamaniac wrote:
If anyone wonders why foreigners can't play at Korean levels or at least come close, direct them to this thread and show them the foreigner's mentality at this game.
Also, people should stop using the term "foreign pros", this is anything but "professional" mindset that any pro players should have. Yes, poor mindset is the reason foreigners aren't at the same level as Korean pros. Not the decade of competitive training environments with full time organized practice and coaching. Will you be winning the next tournament with your superior mentality, SNM?
but scan never was a pro? As in he never benefited from the organized environment and still is way above other foreigners which started the whole debate.
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On June 13 2017 02:33 Sero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2017 01:18 supernovamaniac wrote:
If anyone wonders why foreigners can't play at Korean levels or at least come close, direct them to this thread and show them the foreigner's mentality at this game.
Also, people should stop using the term "foreign pros", this is anything but "professional" mindset that any pro players should have. Yes, poor mindset is the reason foreigners aren't at the same level as Korean pros. Not the decade of competitive training environments with full time organized practice and coaching. Will you be winning the next tournament with your superior mentality, SNM?
Mentality is as critical to performance as mechanics and strategy. Top level foreigners lack all three. A competitive environment, full time practice, coaching, these things only benefit people with strong mentality. Otherwise IdrA would have succeeded in Korea.
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