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thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5504 Posts
January 23 2017 16:32 GMT
#1001
On January 23 2017 21:51 CUTtheCBC wrote:
sea played way too fucking scared, seriously


he had game 2 won for like 400 minutes and just never pulled the trigger

game 1 he had it too and choked


game 3.. wtf was he doing?!?!?


Clearly you've never played a TvT and how defender's advantage works in that MU
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
tedster
Profile Joined May 2009
984 Posts
January 23 2017 18:14 GMT
#1002
TvT forever, what a great finals. Every game was great for a different reason. I'm so happy right now.
the last wcs commissioner
DracoMortuiVolantus
Profile Joined October 2016
68 Posts
January 23 2017 20:17 GMT
#1003
TvT is unbalanced :/
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-23 20:28:10
January 23 2017 20:26 GMT
#1004
Second time I've seen a Flash game casted by Tasteless go to BCs. Second time Flash lost the game that went to BCs. Not sure what it means. At least this time the other Terran wasn't some guy I've not heard of before or since.

Oh, found the vod. Terran was Memory.

v1p3r52
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand182 Posts
January 24 2017 02:33 GMT
#1005
Watching the vod god the sound is bad.
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
January 24 2017 03:06 GMT
#1006


Can someone who speaks Korean please help me do a rough translation of what Britney and Leta said between 46:26 to 49:00?
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8941 Posts
January 24 2017 03:53 GMT
#1007
nothing special.
they're impressed that flash pushed the 6 o clock and how he won the bc fight, but sea is still happy because they know flash probably has literally 0 resources.
also saying even if flash loses you have to shit out blood to beat him
EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2802 Posts
January 25 2017 02:52 GMT
#1008
Sea, I love you! I think you're the coolest post-Brood War progamer!
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11112 Posts
January 25 2017 04:55 GMT
#1009
That was an enjoyable final. TvT can be painful but that felt interesting and refreshing after such a long time.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Freezard
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Sweden1032 Posts
January 25 2017 08:30 GMT
#1010
Sick match. Tastosis were on point as well, the hype from Tasteless is unreal. Flash fought incredibly well in game 2 but he was too passive after he won the big fight, Sea had too many resources and just needed time to win.
dibban
Profile Joined July 2008
Sweden1279 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-25 10:29:42
January 25 2017 10:25 GMT
#1011
I was sad when JD lost to Flash, as I'd have prefered TvZ finals. However, this final was pretty damn epic!! Sea fought really well and showed some amazing micro plays, but it's damn good seeing Flash that happy after the win!
이제동 - 이영호 since '07.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5617 Posts
January 28 2017 01:02 GMT
#1012
I have been away and couldnt watch the games live. Just watched jaedong vs flah the other day and it was the same day I turned 30. It gave me such a warm feeling to watch that great series now and to see them back at that big stage again after all this time. It was really special.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-28 09:22:14
January 28 2017 09:21 GMT
#1013
Totally missed this starleague as I rarely visit TL these days. I am extremely happy to see that the scene seems to be alive again! And my boy Flash winning! That always brings tears of joy!

The final was great. But it seems that Sea got really shaken by game 2, even though he won. During the break between game 2 and 3 Flash was super focused while Sea was looking distracted, shaking his head, moving in the chair. Then he made a couple of weird decisions in game 3, and game 4 was just pretty bad from him.

Now, the first two games were awesome. Really great TvTs. Though not as good as some of the best TvT with Flash as those vs FBH and Leta on Medusa, Upmagic in OSL, or Fantasy in MSL.

Finally, I haven't watched BW for a loooong time, but did meta changed in TvT? I remember it being more positional, but instead both Flash and Sea played really aggressively early to early-mid game.

Edit: Apparently this is my post #4444 Good post# to celebrate Flash winning 7th SL
tedster
Profile Joined May 2009
984 Posts
January 28 2017 17:11 GMT
#1014
On January 28 2017 18:21 Lebesgue wrote:
Totally missed this starleague as I rarely visit TL these days. I am extremely happy to see that the scene seems to be alive again! And my boy Flash winning! That always brings tears of joy!

The final was great. But it seems that Sea got really shaken by game 2, even though he won. During the break between game 2 and 3 Flash was super focused while Sea was looking distracted, shaking his head, moving in the chair. Then he made a couple of weird decisions in game 3, and game 4 was just pretty bad from him.

Now, the first two games were awesome. Really great TvTs. Though not as good as some of the best TvT with Flash as those vs FBH and Leta on Medusa, Upmagic in OSL, or Fantasy in MSL.

Finally, I haven't watched BW for a loooong time, but did meta changed in TvT? I remember it being more positional, but instead both Flash and Sea played really aggressively early to early-mid game.

Edit: Apparently this is my post #4444 Good post# to celebrate Flash winning 7th SL


Wraith play is a lot more common now and dropship play less so. Currently wraiths and wraith switches are big in the meta, which makes it harder to keep dropships alive and/or find good angles of attack. This has impact on how and where T positions itself and how hard they dig into a given location, so the games end up looking fairly different.
the last wcs commissioner
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
January 29 2017 05:22 GMT
#1015
On January 29 2017 02:11 tedster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2017 18:21 Lebesgue wrote:
Totally missed this starleague as I rarely visit TL these days. I am extremely happy to see that the scene seems to be alive again! And my boy Flash winning! That always brings tears of joy!

The final was great. But it seems that Sea got really shaken by game 2, even though he won. During the break between game 2 and 3 Flash was super focused while Sea was looking distracted, shaking his head, moving in the chair. Then he made a couple of weird decisions in game 3, and game 4 was just pretty bad from him.

Now, the first two games were awesome. Really great TvTs. Though not as good as some of the best TvT with Flash as those vs FBH and Leta on Medusa, Upmagic in OSL, or Fantasy in MSL.

Finally, I haven't watched BW for a loooong time, but did meta changed in TvT? I remember it being more positional, but instead both Flash and Sea played really aggressively early to early-mid game.

Edit: Apparently this is my post #4444 Good post# to celebrate Flash winning 7th SL


Wraith play is a lot more common now and dropship play less so. Currently wraiths and wraith switches are big in the meta, which makes it harder to keep dropships alive and/or find good angles of attack. This has impact on how and where T positions itself and how hard they dig into a given location, so the games end up looking fairly different.


Thanks! This makes sense and explains early armories in many of the builds. Seems like I need to catch up on the newest trends.
O.P.
Profile Joined October 2007
Sweden109 Posts
January 29 2017 17:23 GMT
#1016
On January 29 2017 14:22 Lebesgue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2017 02:11 tedster wrote:
On January 28 2017 18:21 Lebesgue wrote:
Totally missed this starleague as I rarely visit TL these days. I am extremely happy to see that the scene seems to be alive again! And my boy Flash winning! That always brings tears of joy!

The final was great. But it seems that Sea got really shaken by game 2, even though he won. During the break between game 2 and 3 Flash was super focused while Sea was looking distracted, shaking his head, moving in the chair. Then he made a couple of weird decisions in game 3, and game 4 was just pretty bad from him.

Now, the first two games were awesome. Really great TvTs. Though not as good as some of the best TvT with Flash as those vs FBH and Leta on Medusa, Upmagic in OSL, or Fantasy in MSL.

Finally, I haven't watched BW for a loooong time, but did meta changed in TvT? I remember it being more positional, but instead both Flash and Sea played really aggressively early to early-mid game.

Edit: Apparently this is my post #4444 Good post# to celebrate Flash winning 7th SL


Wraith play is a lot more common now and dropship play less so. Currently wraiths and wraith switches are big in the meta, which makes it harder to keep dropships alive and/or find good angles of attack. This has impact on how and where T positions itself and how hard they dig into a given location, so the games end up looking fairly different.


Thanks! This makes sense and explains early armories in many of the builds. Seems like I need to catch up on the newest trends.


Not so new I think. Lomo and Skyhigh(?) popularised wraith play in TvT and TvZ around 2009 if my memory is correct.
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-29 23:01:28
January 29 2017 23:01 GMT
#1017
On January 30 2017 02:23 O.P. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2017 14:22 Lebesgue wrote:
On January 29 2017 02:11 tedster wrote:
On January 28 2017 18:21 Lebesgue wrote:
Totally missed this starleague as I rarely visit TL these days. I am extremely happy to see that the scene seems to be alive again! And my boy Flash winning! That always brings tears of joy!

The final was great. But it seems that Sea got really shaken by game 2, even though he won. During the break between game 2 and 3 Flash was super focused while Sea was looking distracted, shaking his head, moving in the chair. Then he made a couple of weird decisions in game 3, and game 4 was just pretty bad from him.

Now, the first two games were awesome. Really great TvTs. Though not as good as some of the best TvT with Flash as those vs FBH and Leta on Medusa, Upmagic in OSL, or Fantasy in MSL.

Finally, I haven't watched BW for a loooong time, but did meta changed in TvT? I remember it being more positional, but instead both Flash and Sea played really aggressively early to early-mid game.

Edit: Apparently this is my post #4444 Good post# to celebrate Flash winning 7th SL


Wraith play is a lot more common now and dropship play less so. Currently wraiths and wraith switches are big in the meta, which makes it harder to keep dropships alive and/or find good angles of attack. This has impact on how and where T positions itself and how hard they dig into a given location, so the games end up looking fairly different.


Thanks! This makes sense and explains early armories in many of the builds. Seems like I need to catch up on the newest trends.


Not so new I think. Lomo and Skyhigh(?) popularised wraith play in TvT and TvZ around 2009 if my memory is correct.


Hmm, Lomo in TvT probably, and I remember Leta using wraiths in TvZ as his main build. In TvT wraiths were much more common than in TvZ but still not THAT common where dropship play used to the standard. At least that's how I remember it.

Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
January 30 2017 01:03 GMT
#1018
On January 30 2017 02:23 O.P. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2017 14:22 Lebesgue wrote:
On January 29 2017 02:11 tedster wrote:
On January 28 2017 18:21 Lebesgue wrote:
Totally missed this starleague as I rarely visit TL these days. I am extremely happy to see that the scene seems to be alive again! And my boy Flash winning! That always brings tears of joy!

The final was great. But it seems that Sea got really shaken by game 2, even though he won. During the break between game 2 and 3 Flash was super focused while Sea was looking distracted, shaking his head, moving in the chair. Then he made a couple of weird decisions in game 3, and game 4 was just pretty bad from him.

Now, the first two games were awesome. Really great TvTs. Though not as good as some of the best TvT with Flash as those vs FBH and Leta on Medusa, Upmagic in OSL, or Fantasy in MSL.

Finally, I haven't watched BW for a loooong time, but did meta changed in TvT? I remember it being more positional, but instead both Flash and Sea played really aggressively early to early-mid game.

Edit: Apparently this is my post #4444 Good post# to celebrate Flash winning 7th SL


Wraith play is a lot more common now and dropship play less so. Currently wraiths and wraith switches are big in the meta, which makes it harder to keep dropships alive and/or find good angles of attack. This has impact on how and where T positions itself and how hard they dig into a given location, so the games end up looking fairly different.


Thanks! This makes sense and explains early armories in many of the builds. Seems like I need to catch up on the newest trends.


Not so new I think. Lomo and Skyhigh(?) popularised wraith play in TvT and TvZ around 2009 if my memory is correct.
Lomo didnt popularized wraiths in anything, he just did cheesy wraith builds briefly and flickered out because he was bad. Didnt innovate or contribute at all.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
January 30 2017 02:28 GMT
#1019
anyone happen to know when the next asl starts?
TL+ Member
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-30 15:42:20
January 30 2017 15:41 GMT
#1020
Wraiths have always been used in TvT, but the building of 4+ starports for a huge wraith fleet as a standard go-to option is new (it started at the end of the KeSPa era).* Someone, probably classicyellow, recently translated Flash as saying that you can try going for dropships these days but that it's really difficult because of all the wraiths. And now players even add Valkyries. Kind of weird that the formerly obscure Valkyrie is now a standard unit in one matchup.

*It did happen before, but not commonly...
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