On January 11 2017 04:55 Polemarch wrote: Just signed in to thank classicyellow -- the insights and tidbits you post add so much depth and appreciation for me and I'm sure many other lurkers!
On January 11 2017 04:55 Polemarch wrote: Just signed in to thank classicyellow -- the insights and tidbits you post add so much depth and appreciation for me and I'm sure many other lurkers!
I actually enjoy doing this. >.<
And we are happy you are enjoying it ^_^
Honestly it is very interesting for us to understand more of the culture of BW in Korea and you are helping us in that regard.
Dude fuck twitter so hard, it just shoves some random tweet that Artosis favorited into my timeline and spoils the result before I can get home from work FML I actually have to unfollow him to stop this from happening.
Thanks for the translations and summaries classicyellow!
I just caught the vods now and I was definitely interested in how the death of the probe just as JDs drones hatched in Game2 affected his build choices.
Flash vs JD might turn into really lopsided games, but you'll know they've done some crazy mindgaming no matter what.
Personally I see the following semis-finals happening: BeSt>Sea and Flash>JD leading to BeSt>Flash or Sea>BeSt and JD>Flash BeSt < JD
Flash vs Movie on Benzene in round 16. Can't explain the game in few sentences. To be accurate, it would have to be in several paragraphs and I would have to rewatch the VOD to do it precisely. Sorry.
Flash vs Effot in Eye of the Storm. it was played last month. Effort used Lurkers to break Flash's nat and flash was in a unwinnerable situation being behind in tech, economy, and population. Flash used really good unit movements and tricked effort and won the game. JD kept on saying "Wow" the whole time.
Jaedong : "That was next level mind game Flash just played"
On January 10 2017 23:38 classicyellow83 wrote: JD just expained all 3 games. It was an eye opener.
translation?
Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky.
That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills"
He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game.
"I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in."
Third game. When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game.
JD was in Stork's head entire series.
JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5.
JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork. "Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind."
Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does.
I always wonder how much we don't know. From the audience seat the series looked so one-sided that ppl started talking about how bad Stork's PvZ is whatever.
We probably miss a lot of stuff. That's why it's great to have player interviews after the game. Even better would be a good analytical caster that plays/played at a high level and has a lot of in-depth knowledge (no offense to the casters). Some people might remember when Idra casted some games in some SC2 cup. You can think about him what you want but the cast was fucking great. He explained so many small timings/details and decisions that were made off of that it really enhanced (my) enjoyment watching the games immensely.
If you want small details. Zeus is your man. He is fucking amazing at analyzing games and explaining in ways that everyone can understand.
Is he doing it in english? I can't speak korean unfortunately.
On January 11 2017 02:32 nimdil wrote: It looked very one side - until the long fight in game 3. Stork was so behind yet he almost had enough to push through. Jaedong danced around Stork masterfully and made him look silly but at that moment Stork has shown he was outplayed, not outclassed.
He didn't almost have enough. He didn't even reach the sunkens. Being obliterated before the sunken line is a clear sign of protoss not having enough army at all. A push like this should usually deal a bit of damage and the protoss should be able to pull his army back.
On January 10 2017 23:38 classicyellow83 wrote: JD just expained all 3 games. It was an eye opener.
translation?
Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky.
That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills"
He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game.
"I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in."
Third game. When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game.
JD was in Stork's head entire series.
JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5.
JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork. "Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind."
Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does.
I always wonder how much we don't know. From the audience seat the series looked so one-sided that ppl started talking about how bad Stork's PvZ is whatever.
We probably miss a lot of stuff. That's why it's great to have player interviews after the game. Even better would be a good analytical caster that plays/played at a high level and has a lot of in-depth knowledge (no offense to the casters). Some people might remember when Idra casted some games in some SC2 cup. You can think about him what you want but the cast was fucking great. He explained so many small timings/details and decisions that were made off of that it really enhanced (my) enjoyment watching the games immensely.
If you want small details. Zeus is your man. He is fucking amazing at analyzing games and explaining in ways that everyone can understand.
Is he doing it in english? I can't speak korean unfortunately.
On January 11 2017 02:32 nimdil wrote: It looked very one side - until the long fight in game 3. Stork was so behind yet he almost had enough to push through. Jaedong danced around Stork masterfully and made him look silly but at that moment Stork has shown he was outplayed, not outclassed.
He didn't almost have enough. He didn't even reach the sunkens. Being obliterated before the sunken line is a clear sign of protoss not having enough army at all. A push like this should usually deal a bit of damage and the protoss should be able to pull his army back.
The re-macro of zerglings and hydras were coming from the back too -- he was going to get crunched so badly even if he had gotten to the sunkens.
On January 10 2017 23:38 classicyellow83 wrote: JD just expained all 3 games. It was an eye opener.
translation?
Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky.
That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills"
He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game.
"I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in."
Third game. When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game.
JD was in Stork's head entire series.
JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5.
JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork. "Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind."
Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does.
I always wonder how much we don't know. From the audience seat the series looked so one-sided that ppl started talking about how bad Stork's PvZ is whatever.
We probably miss a lot of stuff. That's why it's great to have player interviews after the game. Even better would be a good analytical caster that plays/played at a high level and has a lot of in-depth knowledge (no offense to the casters). Some people might remember when Idra casted some games in some SC2 cup. You can think about him what you want but the cast was fucking great. He explained so many small timings/details and decisions that were made off of that it really enhanced (my) enjoyment watching the games immensely.
If you want small details. Zeus is your man. He is fucking amazing at analyzing games and explaining in ways that everyone can understand.
Is he doing it in english? I can't speak korean unfortunately.
On January 11 2017 02:32 nimdil wrote: It looked very one side - until the long fight in game 3. Stork was so behind yet he almost had enough to push through. Jaedong danced around Stork masterfully and made him look silly but at that moment Stork has shown he was outplayed, not outclassed.
He didn't almost have enough. He didn't even reach the sunkens. Being obliterated before the sunken line is a clear sign of protoss not having enough army at all. A push like this should usually deal a bit of damage and the protoss should be able to pull his army back.
The re-macro of zerglings and hydras were coming from the back too -- he was going to get crunched so badly even if he had gotten to the sunkens.
Yeah, that was my point. It shows how far away Stork was from actually doing any dmg.
On January 10 2017 23:38 classicyellow83 wrote: JD just expained all 3 games. It was an eye opener.
translation?
Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky.
That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills"
He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game.
"I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in."
Third game. When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game.
JD was in Stork's head entire series.
JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5.
JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork. "Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind."
Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does.
I always wonder how much we don't know. From the audience seat the series looked so one-sided that ppl started talking about how bad Stork's PvZ is whatever.
We probably miss a lot of stuff. That's why it's great to have player interviews after the game. Even better would be a good analytical caster that plays/played at a high level and has a lot of in-depth knowledge (no offense to the casters). Some people might remember when Idra casted some games in some SC2 cup. You can think about him what you want but the cast was fucking great. He explained so many small timings/details and decisions that were made off of that it really enhanced (my) enjoyment watching the games immensely.
If you want small details. Zeus is your man. He is fucking amazing at analyzing games and explaining in ways that everyone can understand.
Is he doing it in english? I can't speak korean unfortunately.
On January 11 2017 02:32 nimdil wrote: It looked very one side - until the long fight in game 3. Stork was so behind yet he almost had enough to push through. Jaedong danced around Stork masterfully and made him look silly but at that moment Stork has shown he was outplayed, not outclassed.
He didn't almost have enough. He didn't even reach the sunkens. Being obliterated before the sunken line is a clear sign of protoss not having enough army at all. A push like this should usually deal a bit of damage and the protoss should be able to pull his army back.
The re-macro of zerglings and hydras were coming from the back too -- he was going to get crunched so badly even if he had gotten to the sunkens.
Yeah, that was my point. It shows how far away Stork was from actually doing any dmg.
If only Stork had like one more control group of zealots.. Gave me chills to think that Jaedong wasnt bantering in the pregame interview and what he said about stork is his actual opinion. Who could blame him after this series though It looked as if he outclassed Stork so hard..
Thanks for the translations and summaries classicyellow!
I just caught the vods now and I was definitely interested in how the death of the probe just as JDs drones hatched in Game2 affected his build choices.
Flash vs JD might turn into really lopsided games, but you'll know they've done some crazy mindgaming no matter what.
Personally I see the following semis-finals happening: BeSt>Sea and Flash>JD leading to BeSt>Flash or Sea>BeSt and JD>Flash BeSt < JD
On January 10 2017 23:38 classicyellow83 wrote: JD just expained all 3 games. It was an eye opener.
translation?
Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky.
I am all happy for Jaedong that he won, but stork can do so much better. I remember his play as relatively talented as he needed less practice to achieve good results from what I recall. I imagine him doing significantly better than this. Rather disappointed from his game. Not too great of a bo pick in game 1 and also he seemed kinda lost in that "longer" 3rd game. Or it's just all part of that FvJ plot to get them playing on a stage asap.
Anyway salsal to jaedong and gl to him in the semis as he will most probably need it.
I think flash will crush JD. Flash won't make scouting mistakes like stork and his tvz is too good. Watching JD get pumped by Last on his stream doesn't inspire confidence either (I get a big tourney game will be much different but flash seems more fundamentally solid at the MU).
Having said that, I'll still cheer for the technicolor sheep.
Thought I'd watch this evening. Was browsing Youtube at lunch, saw that the video was there, thought I'd try and watch the first game or two if it didn't buffer like shit
On January 11 2017 08:53 sixfour wrote: Thought I'd watch this evening. Was browsing Youtube at lunch, saw that the video was there, thought I'd try and watch the first game or two if it didn't buffer like shit
Holy fuck
Yeah, their youtube VoDs are all broken for some reason. Just watch the afreeca vods.
On January 11 2017 08:36 RowdierBob wrote: I think flash will crush JD. Flash won't make scouting mistakes like stork and his tvz is too good. Watching JD get pumped by Last on his stream doesn't inspire confidence either (I get a big tourney game will be much different but flash seems more fundamentally solid at the MU).
Having said that, I'll still cheer for the technicolor sheep.
Unfortunately agree, but hopefully my ultimate nerd crush can somehow bring him down haha.
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