On January 10 2017 23:38 classicyellow83 wrote: JD just expained all 3 games. It was an eye opener.
translation?
Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky.
That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills"
He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game.
"I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in."
Third game. When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game.
JD was in Stork's head entire series.
JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5.
JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork. "Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind."
Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does.
I always wonder how much we don't know. From the audience seat the series looked so one-sided that ppl started talking about how bad Stork's PvZ is whatever.
We probably miss a lot of stuff. That's why it's great to have player interviews after the game. Even better would be a good analytical caster that plays/played at a high level and has a lot of in-depth knowledge (no offense to the casters). Some people might remember when Idra casted some games in some SC2 cup. You can think about him what you want but the cast was fucking great. He explained so many small timings/details and decisions that were made off of that it really enhanced (my) enjoyment watching the games immensely.
If you want small details. Zeus is your man. He is fucking amazing at analyzing games and explaining in ways that everyone can understand.
Is this why some streamers get more viewers than the official ASL stream itself? Because those progamers analyze the shit out of games?
On January 10 2017 23:38 classicyellow83 wrote: JD just expained all 3 games. It was an eye opener.
translation?
Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky.
That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills"
He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game.
"I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in."
Third game. When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game.
JD was in Stork's head entire series.
JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5.
JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork. "Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind."
Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does.
Thanks for the translation. It's amazing the depth that the players see into the game. I like tastosis but I wish we got more live insights like this. I suck and even I'm annoyed when they don't say the build orders and the ramifications of them. Does Zeus stream commentary live? Is it in the sidebar? I will absolutely watch that. Jaedong's star sense and decision making were really on today.
On January 10 2017 23:38 classicyellow83 wrote: JD just expained all 3 games. It was an eye opener.
translation?
Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky.
That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills"
He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game.
"I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in."
Third game. When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game.
JD was in Stork's head entire series.
JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5.
JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork. "Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind."
Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does.
Thanks for the translation. It's amazing the depth that the players see into the game. I like tastosis but I wish we got more live insights like this. I suck and even I'm annoyed when they don't say the build orders and the ramifications of them. Does Zeus stream commentary live? Is it in the sidebar? I will absolutely watch that. Jaedong's star sense and decision making were really on today.
Zeus is featured on TL so yes, his stream is on the side line and it is live from what I've seen before.
On January 10 2017 23:38 classicyellow83 wrote: JD just expained all 3 games. It was an eye opener.
translation?
Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky.
That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills"
He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game.
"I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in."
Third game. When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game.
JD was in Stork's head entire series.
JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5.
JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork. "Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind."
Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does.
Thanks for the translation. It's amazing the depth that the players see into the game. I like tastosis but I wish we got more live insights like this. I suck and even I'm annoyed when they don't say the build orders and the ramifications of them. Does Zeus stream commentary live? Is it in the sidebar? I will absolutely watch that. Jaedong's star sense and decision making were really on today.
Zeus is featured on TL so yes, his stream is on the side line and it is live from what I've seen before.
On January 10 2017 23:38 classicyellow83 wrote: JD just expained all 3 games. It was an eye opener.
translation?
Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky.
That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills"
He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game.
"I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in."
Third game. When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game.
JD was in Stork's head entire series.
JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5.
JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork. "Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind."
Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does.
I always wonder how much we don't know. From the audience seat the series looked so one-sided that ppl started talking about how bad Stork's PvZ is whatever.
We probably miss a lot of stuff. That's why it's great to have player interviews after the game. Even better would be a good analytical caster that plays/played at a high level and has a lot of in-depth knowledge (no offense to the casters). Some people might remember when Idra casted some games in some SC2 cup. You can think about him what you want but the cast was fucking great. He explained so many small timings/details and decisions that were made off of that it really enhanced (my) enjoyment watching the games immensely.
If you want small details. Zeus is your man. He is fucking amazing at analyzing games and explaining in ways that everyone can understand.
Is this why some streamers get more viewers than the official ASL stream itself? Because those progamers analyze the shit out of games?
Not entirely. Terror sucks at analyzing games. Most of the gamers are better than the casters. Zeus especially. Flash vs Movie really showed it. No other players were able really explain what was going on. But, Zeus was on point about everything. Flash doesn't do much analyzing but, when he does, it's mind blowing. Light and Mind are also really good. Jaedong is really good at explaining psyches of each player. I remeber jaedong was observing flash vs effort and the game was short and seemed like there wasn't much to it. But, JD explained how much of a high level play that was. JD:"Only People who are elite at bw would understand how high level that game was"
On January 10 2017 23:38 classicyellow83 wrote: JD just expained all 3 games. It was an eye opener.
translation?
Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky.
That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills"
He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game.
"I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in."
Third game. When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game.
JD was in Stork's head entire series.
JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5.
JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork. "Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind."
Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does.
Thanks for the translation. It's amazing the depth that the players see into the game. I like tastosis but I wish we got more live insights like this. I suck and even I'm annoyed when they don't say the build orders and the ramifications of them. Does Zeus stream commentary live? Is it in the sidebar? I will absolutely watch that. Jaedong's star sense and decision making were really on today.
Zeus is featured on TL so yes, his stream is on the side line and it is live from what I've seen before.
It's in English??
no lol. It's in KR. If it was in english, I would've skipped official casts XD
On January 10 2017 23:38 classicyellow83 wrote: JD just expained all 3 games. It was an eye opener.
translation?
Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky.
That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills"
He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game.
"I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in."
Third game. When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game.
JD was in Stork's head entire series.
JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5.
JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork. "Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind."
Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does.
I always wonder how much we don't know. From the audience seat the series looked so one-sided that ppl started talking about how bad Stork's PvZ is whatever.
We probably miss a lot of stuff. That's why it's great to have player interviews after the game. Even better would be a good analytical caster that plays/played at a high level and has a lot of in-depth knowledge (no offense to the casters). Some people might remember when Idra casted some games in some SC2 cup. You can think about him what you want but the cast was fucking great. He explained so many small timings/details and decisions that were made off of that it really enhanced (my) enjoyment watching the games immensely.
If you want small details. Zeus is your man. He is fucking amazing at analyzing games and explaining in ways that everyone can understand.
Is this why some streamers get more viewers than the official ASL stream itself? Because those progamers analyze the shit out of games?
Not entirely. Terror sucks at analyzing games. Most of the gamers are better than the casters. Zeus especially. Flash vs Movie really showed it. No other players were able really explain what was going on. But, Zeus was on point about everything. Flash doesn't do much analyzing but, when he does, it's mind blowing. Light and Mind are also really good. Jaedong is really good at explaining psyches of each player. I remeber jaedong was observing flash vs effort and the game was short and seemed like there wasn't much to it. But, JD explained how much of a high level play that was. JD:"Only People who are elite at bw would understand how high level that game was"
What was his explanation for that game btw, if you still remember. Which game was he referring to as well? Would like to take a look.
On January 10 2017 23:38 classicyellow83 wrote: JD just expained all 3 games. It was an eye opener.
translation?
Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky.
That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills"
He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game.
"I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in."
Third game. When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game.
JD was in Stork's head entire series.
JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5.
JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork. "Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind."
Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does.
Thanks for the translation. It's amazing the depth that the players see into the game. I like tastosis but I wish we got more live insights like this. I suck and even I'm annoyed when they don't say the build orders and the ramifications of them. Does Zeus stream commentary live? Is it in the sidebar? I will absolutely watch that. Jaedong's star sense and decision making were really on today.
Zeus is featured on TL so yes, his stream is on the side line and it is live from what I've seen before.
It's in English??
no lol. It's in KR. If it was in english, I would've skipped official casts XD
On January 10 2017 23:38 classicyellow83 wrote: JD just expained all 3 games. It was an eye opener.
translation?
Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky.
That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills"
He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game.
"I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in."
Third game. When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game.
JD was in Stork's head entire series.
JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5.
JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork. "Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind."
Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does.
I always wonder how much we don't know. From the audience seat the series looked so one-sided that ppl started talking about how bad Stork's PvZ is whatever.
We probably miss a lot of stuff. That's why it's great to have player interviews after the game. Even better would be a good analytical caster that plays/played at a high level and has a lot of in-depth knowledge (no offense to the casters). Some people might remember when Idra casted some games in some SC2 cup. You can think about him what you want but the cast was fucking great. He explained so many small timings/details and decisions that were made off of that it really enhanced (my) enjoyment watching the games immensely.
If you want small details. Zeus is your man. He is fucking amazing at analyzing games and explaining in ways that everyone can understand.
Is this why some streamers get more viewers than the official ASL stream itself? Because those progamers analyze the shit out of games?
Not entirely. Terror sucks at analyzing games. Most of the gamers are better than the casters. Zeus especially. Flash vs Movie really showed it. No other players were able really explain what was going on. But, Zeus was on point about everything. Flash doesn't do much analyzing but, when he does, it's mind blowing. Light and Mind are also really good. Jaedong is really good at explaining psyches of each player. I remeber jaedong was observing flash vs effort and the game was short and seemed like there wasn't much to it. But, JD explained how much of a high level play that was. JD:"Only People who are elite at bw would understand how high level that game was"
What was his explanation for that game btw, if you still remember. Which game was he referring to as well? Would like to take a look.
Thought so. And it's funny (or maybe I'm envious), ppl keep pimpin' Zeus, when nearly all of us do not speak KR.
Do any Korean BW progamers at all speak English, I wonder.
On January 10 2017 23:38 classicyellow83 wrote: JD just expained all 3 games. It was an eye opener.
translation?
Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky.
That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills"
He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game.
"I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in."
Third game. When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game.
JD was in Stork's head entire series.
JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5.
JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork. "Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind."
Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does.
Thanks for the translation. It's amazing the depth that the players see into the game. I like tastosis but I wish we got more live insights like this. I suck and even I'm annoyed when they don't say the build orders and the ramifications of them. Does Zeus stream commentary live? Is it in the sidebar? I will absolutely watch that. Jaedong's star sense and decision making were really on today.
Zeus is featured on TL so yes, his stream is on the side line and it is live from what I've seen before.
It's in English??
no lol. It's in KR. If it was in english, I would've skipped official casts XD
On January 10 2017 23:38 classicyellow83 wrote: JD just expained all 3 games. It was an eye opener.
translation?
Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky.
That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills"
He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game.
"I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in."
Third game. When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game.
JD was in Stork's head entire series.
JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5.
JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork. "Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind."
Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does.
I always wonder how much we don't know. From the audience seat the series looked so one-sided that ppl started talking about how bad Stork's PvZ is whatever.
We probably miss a lot of stuff. That's why it's great to have player interviews after the game. Even better would be a good analytical caster that plays/played at a high level and has a lot of in-depth knowledge (no offense to the casters). Some people might remember when Idra casted some games in some SC2 cup. You can think about him what you want but the cast was fucking great. He explained so many small timings/details and decisions that were made off of that it really enhanced (my) enjoyment watching the games immensely.
If you want small details. Zeus is your man. He is fucking amazing at analyzing games and explaining in ways that everyone can understand.
Is this why some streamers get more viewers than the official ASL stream itself? Because those progamers analyze the shit out of games?
Not entirely. Terror sucks at analyzing games. Most of the gamers are better than the casters. Zeus especially. Flash vs Movie really showed it. No other players were able really explain what was going on. But, Zeus was on point about everything. Flash doesn't do much analyzing but, when he does, it's mind blowing. Light and Mind are also really good. Jaedong is really good at explaining psyches of each player. I remeber jaedong was observing flash vs effort and the game was short and seemed like there wasn't much to it. But, JD explained how much of a high level play that was. JD:"Only People who are elite at bw would understand how high level that game was"
What was his explanation for that game btw, if you still remember. Which game was he referring to as well? Would like to take a look.
Flash vs Movie on Benzene in round 16. Can't explain the game in few sentences. To be accurate, it would have to be in several paragraphs and I would have to rewatch the VOD to do it precisely. Sorry.
Flash vs Effot in Eye of the Storm. it was played last month. Effort used Lurkers to break Flash's nat and flash was in a unwinnerable situation being behind in tech, economy, and population. Flash used really good unit movements and tricked effort and won the game. JD kept on saying "Wow" the whole time.
Jaedong : "That was next level mind game Flash just played"
On January 10 2017 23:38 classicyellow83 wrote: JD just expained all 3 games. It was an eye opener.
translation?
Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky.
That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills"
He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game.
"I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in."
Third game. When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game.
JD was in Stork's head entire series.
JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5.
JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork. "Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind."
Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does.
Thanks for the translation. It's amazing the depth that the players see into the game. I like tastosis but I wish we got more live insights like this. I suck and even I'm annoyed when they don't say the build orders and the ramifications of them. Does Zeus stream commentary live? Is it in the sidebar? I will absolutely watch that. Jaedong's star sense and decision making were really on today.
Zeus is featured on TL so yes, his stream is on the side line and it is live from what I've seen before.
It's in English??
no lol. It's in KR. If it was in english, I would've skipped official casts XD
On January 11 2017 04:10 classicyellow83 wrote:
On January 11 2017 03:58 duke91 wrote:
On January 11 2017 02:16 classicyellow83 wrote:
On January 11 2017 02:14 Miragee wrote:
On January 11 2017 02:04 letian wrote:
On January 11 2017 00:36 classicyellow83 wrote:
On January 10 2017 23:41 duke91 wrote:
On January 10 2017 23:38 classicyellow83 wrote: JD just expained all 3 games. It was an eye opener.
translation?
Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky.
That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills"
He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game.
"I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in."
Third game. When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game.
JD was in Stork's head entire series.
JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5.
JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork. "Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind."
Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does.
I always wonder how much we don't know. From the audience seat the series looked so one-sided that ppl started talking about how bad Stork's PvZ is whatever.
We probably miss a lot of stuff. That's why it's great to have player interviews after the game. Even better would be a good analytical caster that plays/played at a high level and has a lot of in-depth knowledge (no offense to the casters). Some people might remember when Idra casted some games in some SC2 cup. You can think about him what you want but the cast was fucking great. He explained so many small timings/details and decisions that were made off of that it really enhanced (my) enjoyment watching the games immensely.
If you want small details. Zeus is your man. He is fucking amazing at analyzing games and explaining in ways that everyone can understand.
Is this why some streamers get more viewers than the official ASL stream itself? Because those progamers analyze the shit out of games?
Not entirely. Terror sucks at analyzing games. Most of the gamers are better than the casters. Zeus especially. Flash vs Movie really showed it. No other players were able really explain what was going on. But, Zeus was on point about everything. Flash doesn't do much analyzing but, when he does, it's mind blowing. Light and Mind are also really good. Jaedong is really good at explaining psyches of each player. I remeber jaedong was observing flash vs effort and the game was short and seemed like there wasn't much to it. But, JD explained how much of a high level play that was. JD:"Only People who are elite at bw would understand how high level that game was"
What was his explanation for that game btw, if you still remember. Which game was he referring to as well? Would like to take a look.
Flash vs Movie on Benzene in round 16. Can't explain the game in few sentences. To be accurate, it would have to be in several paragraphs and I would have to rewatch the VOD to do it precisely. Sorry.
Flash vs Effot in Eye of the Storm. it was played last month. Effort used Lurkers to break Flash's nat and flash was in a unwinnerable situation being behind in tech, economy, and population. Flash used really good unit movements and tricked effort and won the game. JD kept on saying "Wow" the whole time.
Jaedong : "That was next level mind game Flash just played"
ya, no worries about the Movie game, that's fine.
I was more interested in the Effort one. Do you remember day it was played on or anything else so that I can try to find vod? Want to see this next level mind game for myself lol.
On January 10 2017 23:38 classicyellow83 wrote: JD just expained all 3 games. It was an eye opener.
translation?
Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky.
That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills"
He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game.
"I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in."
Third game. When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game.
JD was in Stork's head entire series.
JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5.
JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork. "Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind."
Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does.
Thanks for the translation. It's amazing the depth that the players see into the game. I like tastosis but I wish we got more live insights like this. I suck and even I'm annoyed when they don't say the build orders and the ramifications of them. Does Zeus stream commentary live? Is it in the sidebar? I will absolutely watch that. Jaedong's star sense and decision making were really on today.
Zeus is featured on TL so yes, his stream is on the side line and it is live from what I've seen before.
It's in English??
no lol. It's in KR. If it was in english, I would've skipped official casts XD
On January 11 2017 04:10 classicyellow83 wrote:
On January 11 2017 03:58 duke91 wrote:
On January 11 2017 02:16 classicyellow83 wrote:
On January 11 2017 02:14 Miragee wrote:
On January 11 2017 02:04 letian wrote:
On January 11 2017 00:36 classicyellow83 wrote:
On January 10 2017 23:41 duke91 wrote: [quote]
translation?
Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky.
That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills"
He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game.
"I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in."
Third game. When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game.
JD was in Stork's head entire series.
JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5.
JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork. "Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind."
Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does.
I always wonder how much we don't know. From the audience seat the series looked so one-sided that ppl started talking about how bad Stork's PvZ is whatever.
We probably miss a lot of stuff. That's why it's great to have player interviews after the game. Even better would be a good analytical caster that plays/played at a high level and has a lot of in-depth knowledge (no offense to the casters). Some people might remember when Idra casted some games in some SC2 cup. You can think about him what you want but the cast was fucking great. He explained so many small timings/details and decisions that were made off of that it really enhanced (my) enjoyment watching the games immensely.
If you want small details. Zeus is your man. He is fucking amazing at analyzing games and explaining in ways that everyone can understand.
Is this why some streamers get more viewers than the official ASL stream itself? Because those progamers analyze the shit out of games?
Not entirely. Terror sucks at analyzing games. Most of the gamers are better than the casters. Zeus especially. Flash vs Movie really showed it. No other players were able really explain what was going on. But, Zeus was on point about everything. Flash doesn't do much analyzing but, when he does, it's mind blowing. Light and Mind are also really good. Jaedong is really good at explaining psyches of each player. I remeber jaedong was observing flash vs effort and the game was short and seemed like there wasn't much to it. But, JD explained how much of a high level play that was. JD:"Only People who are elite at bw would understand how high level that game was"
What was his explanation for that game btw, if you still remember. Which game was he referring to as well? Would like to take a look.
Flash vs Movie on Benzene in round 16. Can't explain the game in few sentences. To be accurate, it would have to be in several paragraphs and I would have to rewatch the VOD to do it precisely. Sorry.
Flash vs Effot in Eye of the Storm. it was played last month. Effort used Lurkers to break Flash's nat and flash was in a unwinnerable situation being behind in tech, economy, and population. Flash used really good unit movements and tricked effort and won the game. JD kept on saying "Wow" the whole time.
Jaedong : "That was next level mind game Flash just played"
ya, no worries about the Movie game, that's fine.
I was more interested in the Effort one. Do you remember day it was played on or anything else so that I can try to find vod? Want to see this next level mind game for myself lol.
I have no idea on which day. It was a while ago. Sorry.
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