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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66363 Posts
January 10 2017 16:34 GMT
#441
wth lol i just caught the games and stork got DISMANTLED. he played so bad too... losing corsairs, fighting when +1 was far off etc.
POGGERS
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
January 10 2017 16:42 GMT
#442
What a brutal smackdown. I am fine with it though. Jaedong vs Flash is awesome, but I really do think Flash will beat Jaedong 3-0/3-1. Jaedong needs a bit more time I think to take on Flash, but it is Jaedong so hopefully can do it somehow. Really looking forward to next week >>
When I think of something else, something will go here
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28528 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-10 16:59:04
January 10 2017 16:46 GMT
#443
On January 10 2017 20:16 Heyoka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2017 20:13 Penev wrote:
If they could afford it they should have the semis at a bigger venue a s well, Jaedong - Flash will fill it easy.

Great to see this full of a studio.


You can't just choose a venue once you know the matchups man, that shit has to be planned weeks or months in advance.

I know, I am just happy to see how popular these guys still are

Edit: I shouldn't be surprised though, the studio was this packed as well even when these guys were playing their SC2 matches
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8668 Posts
January 10 2017 17:02 GMT
#444
On January 11 2017 00:36 classicyellow83 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2017 23:41 duke91 wrote:
On January 10 2017 23:38 classicyellow83 wrote:
JD just expained all 3 games. It was an eye opener.


translation?

Best Part
Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates?
JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky.

That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills"

He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game.

"I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in."

Third game.
When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game.

JD was in Stork's head entire series.

JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5.

JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork.
"Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind."

Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does.


Thanks for the translation, that was a great read!
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-10 17:04:35
January 10 2017 17:04 GMT
#445
On January 11 2017 00:36 classicyellow83 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2017 23:41 duke91 wrote:
On January 10 2017 23:38 classicyellow83 wrote:
JD just expained all 3 games. It was an eye opener.


translation?

Best Part
Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates?
JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky.

That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills"

He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game.

"I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in."

Third game.
When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game.

JD was in Stork's head entire series.

JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5.

JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork.
"Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind."

Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does.

I always wonder how much we don't know. From the audience seat the series looked so one-sided that ppl started talking about how bad Stork's PvZ is whatever.
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
January 10 2017 17:09 GMT
#446
JD also said that he probably wouldnt have gone hydra all-in if he killed the probe earlier. Drone hatching right when probe died was the key.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
Lambertus
Profile Joined February 2010
South Africa985 Posts
January 10 2017 17:11 GMT
#447
On January 11 2017 00:36 classicyellow83 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2017 23:41 duke91 wrote:
On January 10 2017 23:38 classicyellow83 wrote:
JD just expained all 3 games. It was an eye opener.


translation?

Best Part
Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates?
JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky.

That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills"

He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game.

"I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in."

Third game.
When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game.

JD was in Stork's head entire series.

JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5.

JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork.
"Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind."

Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does.


Thanks for that!
The only known Reverend on TL playing SC2 and BW (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409226)
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8668 Posts
January 10 2017 17:14 GMT
#448
On January 11 2017 02:04 letian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2017 00:36 classicyellow83 wrote:
On January 10 2017 23:41 duke91 wrote:
On January 10 2017 23:38 classicyellow83 wrote:
JD just expained all 3 games. It was an eye opener.


translation?

Best Part
Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates?
JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky.

That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills"

He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game.

"I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in."

Third game.
When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game.

JD was in Stork's head entire series.

JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5.

JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork.
"Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind."

Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does.

I always wonder how much we don't know. From the audience seat the series looked so one-sided that ppl started talking about how bad Stork's PvZ is whatever.


We probably miss a lot of stuff. That's why it's great to have player interviews after the game. Even better would be a good analytical caster that plays/played at a high level and has a lot of in-depth knowledge (no offense to the casters). Some people might remember when Idra casted some games in some SC2 cup. You can think about him what you want but the cast was fucking great. He explained so many small timings/details and decisions that were made off of that it really enhanced (my) enjoyment watching the games immensely.
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-10 17:17:04
January 10 2017 17:16 GMT
#449
On January 11 2017 02:14 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2017 02:04 letian wrote:
On January 11 2017 00:36 classicyellow83 wrote:
On January 10 2017 23:41 duke91 wrote:
On January 10 2017 23:38 classicyellow83 wrote:
JD just expained all 3 games. It was an eye opener.


translation?

Best Part
Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates?
JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky.

That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills"

He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game.

"I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in."

Third game.
When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game.

JD was in Stork's head entire series.

JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5.

JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork.
"Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind."

Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does.

I always wonder how much we don't know. From the audience seat the series looked so one-sided that ppl started talking about how bad Stork's PvZ is whatever.


We probably miss a lot of stuff. That's why it's great to have player interviews after the game. Even better would be a good analytical caster that plays/played at a high level and has a lot of in-depth knowledge (no offense to the casters). Some people might remember when Idra casted some games in some SC2 cup. You can think about him what you want but the cast was fucking great. He explained so many small timings/details and decisions that were made off of that it really enhanced (my) enjoyment watching the games immensely.

If you want small details. Zeus is your man. He is fucking amazing at analyzing games and explaining in ways that everyone can understand.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
January 10 2017 17:18 GMT
#450
On January 11 2017 00:36 classicyellow83 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2017 23:41 duke91 wrote:
On January 10 2017 23:38 classicyellow83 wrote:
JD just expained all 3 games. It was an eye opener.


translation?

Best Part
Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates?
JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky.

That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills"

He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game.

"I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in."

Third game.
When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game.

JD was in Stork's head entire series.

JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5.

JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork.
"Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind."

Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does.

thanks for this, giving a lot of much needed background. Interesting to see how Jaedong manipulated the results by going against his usual style in their games. Maybe Stork should've tried to do the same in all the games?
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
January 10 2017 17:23 GMT
#451
Stork didn't have enough Tastetosterone to deal with Jaedong's Male Storm.
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
January 10 2017 17:25 GMT
#452
JD didn't use any of the prepared builds. He just reacted to the situation and mind fucked Stork.
Even in the first game he decided to go 9 pool after his initial drones started mining.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-10 17:31:13
January 10 2017 17:28 GMT
#453
Sea: "Jaedong wins games with force and momentum. That's why you shrink in front of him"
Flash: "Jaedong's units have special kind of force."
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3764 Posts
January 10 2017 17:32 GMT
#454
It looked very one side - until the long fight in game 3. Stork was so behind yet he almost had enough to push through. Jaedong danced around Stork masterfully and made him look silly but at that moment Stork has shown he was outplayed, not outclassed.
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
January 10 2017 17:40 GMT
#455
Flash, sSak, and Best predicted 3-0 win from JD. Most of the players predicted 3-1 win by JD. Only Guemchi predicted 3-2 win by Stork.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
January 10 2017 17:52 GMT
#456
STOMPED THE STORK!!!

Jaedong baby!!! <3
~ T-ARA ~ DREAMCATCHER ~ EVERGLOW ~ OH MY GIRL ~ DIA ~ BOL4 ~ CHUNGHA ~
Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
January 10 2017 18:14 GMT
#457
That was one of the most lopsided Bo5s I've ever witnessed, except maybe Jaedong vs. any Zerg. Looking forward to JD vs. Flash next week!
Peaked at C- on ICCUP and proud of it! @Sunyveil
StarscreamG1
Profile Joined February 2011
Portugal1653 Posts
January 10 2017 18:17 GMT
#458
On January 10 2017 22:55 thezanursic wrote:
[image loading]

Honestly I'm waiting on JD to make his move.

I need to see that video :O
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12041 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-10 18:28:09
January 10 2017 18:27 GMT
#459
On January 11 2017 00:36 classicyellow83 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2017 23:41 duke91 wrote:
On January 10 2017 23:38 classicyellow83 wrote:
JD just expained all 3 games. It was an eye opener.


translation?

Best Part
Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates?
JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky.

That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills"

He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game.

"I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in."

Third game.
When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game.

JD was in Stork's head entire series.

JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5.

JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork.
"Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind."

Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does.


Thanks for the translation. It really makes perfect sense. JD mindfucking an already low confidence Stork leads to a series like that. He just outplayed him. Stork did a damn good job, but I don't think he had a chance to beat JD today. Another day perhaps Stork! Keep fighting! :D
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classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-10 18:39:24
January 10 2017 18:39 GMT
#460
On January 11 2017 02:14 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2017 02:04 letian wrote:
On January 11 2017 00:36 classicyellow83 wrote:
On January 10 2017 23:41 duke91 wrote:
On January 10 2017 23:38 classicyellow83 wrote:
JD just expained all 3 games. It was an eye opener.


translation?

Best Part
Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates?
JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky.

That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills"

He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game.

"I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in."

Third game.
When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game.

JD was in Stork's head entire series.

JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5.

JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork.
"Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind."

Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does.

I always wonder how much we don't know. From the audience seat the series looked so one-sided that ppl started talking about how bad Stork's PvZ is whatever.


We probably miss a lot of stuff. That's why it's great to have player interviews after the game. Even better would be a good analytical caster that plays/played at a high level and has a lot of in-depth knowledge (no offense to the casters). Some people might remember when Idra casted some games in some SC2 cup. You can think about him what you want but the cast was fucking great. He explained so many small timings/details and decisions that were made off of that it really enhanced (my) enjoyment watching the games immensely.

Flash analyzed his games and it really showed how much the casters missed and how wrong they were sometimes (especially about who's ahead in certain points). They should really hire Zeus for ASL. Zeus was on point about basically everything.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
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