EPT[ASL2] Ro8 Stork vs Jaedong - Page 26
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
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Terrorbladder
2755 Posts
On January 11 2017 04:18 classicyellow83 wrote: what was that Flash vs Effort game?Flash vs Movie on Benzene in round 16. Can't explain the game in few sentences. To be accurate, it would have to be in several paragraphs and I would have to rewatch the VOD to do it precisely. Sorry. Flash vs Effot in Eye of the Storm. it was played last month. Effort used Lurkers to break Flash's nat and flash was in a unwinnerable situation being behind in tech, economy, and population. Flash used really good unit movements and tricked effort and won the game. JD kept on saying "Wow" the whole time. Jaedong : "That was next level mind game Flash just played" | ||
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dekibeki
Australia34 Posts
On January 11 2017 08:40 Chosi wrote: Did anyone catch where you can donate for ASL? They mentioned that you can somehow but I can't find where.. They said they are planning on doing it, but the system isn't up yet. | ||
TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
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Barneyk
Sweden317 Posts
Stork didn't play very well, but he didn't play nowhere near as bad as JD made it look. One thing that bothers me though that I see a lot is when you have 3-4 lings in your main, why not build 1 cannon near your mineral line to protect the probes? You want a cannon in your main anyway later for scourge and muta deflection and it doesn't set your back that much I would think. I know at the elite level every little bit count and a cannon in your main means less army for you and you should be able to micro your zealot to keep the lings from doing any damage but it just seems a bit stubborn to me. | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
He has had less exposure to BW in 2016 than any ASL Ro24 (28 actual) player. And he made top 8. That's a good sign. That's a great sign. Are you kidding? Of 28 players, the player with THE LEAST PRACTICE IN THE PAST 4+ YEARS, advanced deeper than 20 of them, and only 4 players made it further than him. Jaedong said before the game that Stork needs more practice, and why not take him at his word? JD's extra months paid off. Even in December JD looked much more questionable than this month. But JD has 6+ months of extra BW. It's a matter of investment. Lessons NOT to take: 1) He doesn't need practice -Quite the opposite. While even in Kespa days he sometimes was known for less then stellar dedication at times (forgive me if I'm dead wrong, but the WoW practice was well known here), the top 4 have more practice and that's a big reason why they advanced further than him. 2)It's hopeless -It's the other way around, again. To reiterate, he was better than 20, only 4 did better than him. As time goes on, the months Stork is behind will narrow. Stork has fractions of the practice now of any of the top 28. As 2017 advances, and beyond, fractions become just a few percent. He has more hope than almost any of them based on this alone. I'd love to get a message to Stork and give him my encouragement. He got outplayed, hard, but he has so much potential even as one of the oldest players left in BW. I can't wait to see him next ASL, if he'll play. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11110 Posts
Stork did look rusty from what little I saw earlier in the tournament. Also would have been nicer if he could have gotten a PvT. Dino fanboys live on though! | ||
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
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LittLeLives
United States692 Posts
On January 11 2017 11:55 Crisium wrote: I just worry Stork got the wrong idea. He has had less exposure to BW in 2016 than any ASL Ro24 (28 actual) player. And he made top 8. That's a good sign. That's a great sign. Are you kidding? Of 28 players, the player with THE LEAST PRACTICE IN THE PAST 4+ YEARS, advanced deeper than 20 of them, and only 4 players made it further than him. Jaedong said before the game that Stork needs more practice, and why not take him at his word? JD's extra months paid off. Even in December JD looked much more questionable than this month. But JD has 6+ months of extra BW. It's a matter of investment. Lessons NOT to take: 1) He doesn't need practice -Quite the opposite. While even in Kespa days he sometimes was known for less then stellar dedication at times (forgive me if I'm dead wrong, but the WoW practice was well known here), the top 4 have more practice and that's a big reason why they advanced further than him. 2)It's hopeless -It's the other way around, again. To reiterate, he was better than 20, only 4 did better than him. As time goes on, the months Stork is behind will narrow. Stork has fractions of the practice now of any of the top 28. As 2017 advances, and beyond, fractions become just a few percent. He has more hope than almost any of them based on this alone. I'd love to get a message to Stork and give him my encouragement. He got outplayed, hard, but he has so much potential even as one of the oldest players left in BW. I can't wait to see him next ASL, if he'll play. Is this a response to Stork saying on stream that he thinks he's at his peak? I feel like the comments he's been making recently indicate he's just not up for trying so hard to be the best at BW as much as just being a successful BJ. He probably won't leave the scene, but it seems he wants to find some other way to stay relevant and make a living. I can't blame him, though of course I hope it's just his way of expressing his disappointment about his recent performance; I think he's even more of a defeatist than Guemchi and undermines what he can do. I'd love to see him take more golds before he goes away -- I think he's good for another play-my-heart-out run. edit: Also can someone clarify all the details about the crowdfunding? I think it's shady to announce it so late in the tournament, especially if it affects earnings/prize pool. | ||
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
On January 11 2017 13:52 LittLeLives wrote: Is this a response to Stork saying on stream that he thinks he's at his peak? I feel like the comments he's been making recently indicate he's just not up for trying so hard to be the best at BW as much as just being a successful BJ. He probably won't leave the scene, but it seems he wants to find some other way to stay relevant and make a living. I can't blame him, though of course I hope it's just his way of expressing his disappointment about his recent performance; I think he's even more of a defeatist than Guemchi and undermines what he can do. I'd love to see him take more golds before he goes away -- I think he's good for another play-my-heart-out run. edit: Also can someone clarify all the details about the crowdfunding? I think it's shady to announce it so late in the tournament, especially if it affects earnings/prize pool. He will maintain his popularity with his love storyline and I think he will eventually become like NaDa - playing UMSes with fans. | ||
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itsdaniel
Austria335 Posts
On January 11 2017 11:55 Crisium wrote: I just worry Stork got the wrong idea. He has had less exposure to BW in 2016 than any ASL Ro24 (28 actual) player. And he made top 8. That's a good sign. That's a great sign. Are you kidding? Of 28 players, the player with THE LEAST PRACTICE IN THE PAST 4+ YEARS, advanced deeper than 20 of them, and only 4 players made it further than him. Jaedong said before the game that Stork needs more practice, and why not take him at his word? JD's extra months paid off. Even in December JD looked much more questionable than this month. But JD has 6+ months of extra BW. It's a matter of investment. Lessons NOT to take: 1) He doesn't need practice -Quite the opposite. While even in Kespa days he sometimes was known for less then stellar dedication at times (forgive me if I'm dead wrong, but the WoW practice was well known here), the top 4 have more practice and that's a big reason why they advanced further than him. 2)It's hopeless -It's the other way around, again. To reiterate, he was better than 20, only 4 did better than him. As time goes on, the months Stork is behind will narrow. Stork has fractions of the practice now of any of the top 28. As 2017 advances, and beyond, fractions become just a few percent. He has more hope than almost any of them based on this alone. I'd love to get a message to Stork and give him my encouragement. He got outplayed, hard, but he has so much potential even as one of the oldest players left in BW. I can't wait to see him next ASL, if he'll play. Yes I am sad...but truth has been told... | ||
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Epithet
United States840 Posts
Man I love BW. I hope JD wins vs Flash | ||
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L1ghtning
Sweden353 Posts
On January 11 2017 08:36 RowdierBob wrote: I think flash will crush JD. Flash won't make scouting mistakes like stork and his tvz is too good. Watching JD get pumped by Last on his stream doesn't inspire confidence either (I get a big tourney game will be much different but flash seems more fundamentally solid at the MU). Having said that, I'll still cheer for the technicolor sheep. When did this happen? JD just returned. His play will keep getting better and better. Unless this occured within 2-3 weeks, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Flash is obviously the huge favorite regardless. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10568 Posts
On January 11 2017 11:25 Barneyk wrote: I really think people aren't giving JD enough credit for how well he played and how he played mind tricks on Stork and had perfect strategy to counter Stork at every turn. Stork didn't play very well, but he didn't play nowhere near as bad as JD made it look. One thing that bothers me though that I see a lot is when you have 3-4 lings in your main, why not build 1 cannon near your mineral line to protect the probes? You want a cannon in your main anyway later for scourge and muta deflection and it doesn't set your back that much I would think. I know at the elite level every little bit count and a cannon in your main means less army for you and you should be able to micro your zealot to keep the lings from doing any damage but it just seems a bit stubborn to me. The reason specifically pros dont like getting a cannon in their main base is because: 1) they're generally confident enough in their micro to keep their probes alive to stall for mismicros from the zerg to allow zealots and probes to kill them off. 2) The early game cannon is 150 minerals. That's 3 probes, or a probe and a zealot. In the early game, it's quite a bit of money which is sorely lost. The cannon can be built later where losing 150 minerals to defend your main from zerg air won't be noticeable but in the early game, 150 minerals is very noticeable. It's like saying why doesnt a zerg just build a preemptive sunken/spore in his main in the early game, or for terran to build a preemptive bunker in their main. Because the money is too important spent on other things. | ||
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On January 11 2017 13:52 LittLeLives wrote: Is this a response to Stork saying on stream that he thinks he's at his peak? I feel like the comments he's been making recently indicate he's just not up for trying so hard to be the best at BW as much as just being a successful BJ. He probably won't leave the scene, but it seems he wants to find some other way to stay relevant and make a living. I can't blame him, though of course I hope it's just his way of expressing his disappointment about his recent performance; I think he's even more of a defeatist than Guemchi and undermines what he can do. I'd love to see him take more golds before he goes away -- I think he's good for another play-my-heart-out run. edit: Also can someone clarify all the details about the crowdfunding? I think it's shady to announce it so late in the tournament, especially if it affects earnings/prize pool. AFAIK the crowdfunding is only for the finals venue. Nothing to do with earnings. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On January 11 2017 19:29 TheNewEra wrote: AFAIK the crowdfunding is only for the finals venue. Nothing to do with earnings. They said half of it goes to the prizepool, the other half is used for the venue | ||
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thezanursic
5504 Posts
I'd give a limb to see a proper 3-2 JvF with a few long macro games | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
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nimdil
Poland3774 Posts
On January 11 2017 05:49 Miragee wrote: He didn't almost have enough. He didn't even reach the sunkens. Being obliterated before the sunken line is a clear sign of protoss not having enough army at all. A push like this should usually deal a bit of damage and the protoss should be able to pull his army back. Maybe I misexpressed: he get way farer then I thought possible at this point | ||
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