On January 13 2017 08:48 usopsama wrote: Out of Bisu, Jaedong, Flash and Stork, the fact that Stork got a date with jiyoo, I would say he is the true winner.
It was a pretty kickass consolation prize. I'm happy that both Jaedong and Stork got what they wanted!
On January 12 2017 03:51 Vuk_91 wrote: Sayle is the best bw commentator of all time by a mile. Him coming back would have been amazing!
+1
There is no equal. Tastosis are really good at generating hype. They always sound really hyped up. But there is so little "meat" behind that hype. It becomes painfully obvious that they dont actually know much of the current state of the game. Sayle always seemed like he actually knew what he was talking about and when he didnt he had a chat full of players who would fill him in. He didnt pretend to know everything; he was eager to learn together with the viewers as the games unfolded. Really great casts.
Exactly! The depth of his knowledge was simply unparalleled, I don't care what anyone says... He knew exactly what it meant when terran got an early armory, he'd say that it's for a (for example) 11:30 push, and he was right almost all the time. What's also forgotten is that he was casting as a beast during the last few seasons of proleague, it was particularly ridiculous during the winners league, he was casting almost every single pro game...
On January 12 2017 03:51 Vuk_91 wrote: Sayle is the best bw commentator of all time by a mile. Him coming back would have been amazing!
+1
There is no equal. Tastosis are really good at generating hype. They always sound really hyped up. But there is so little "meat" behind that hype. It becomes painfully obvious that they dont actually know much of the current state of the game. Sayle always seemed like he actually knew what he was talking about and when he didnt he had a chat full of players who would fill him in. He didnt pretend to know everything; he was eager to learn together with the viewers as the games unfolded. Really great casts.
On January 12 2017 03:51 Vuk_91 wrote: Sayle is the best bw commentator of all time by a mile. Him coming back would have been amazing!
No he wasn't.
Name one who was/is better?
Err tons, before Sayle was even a thing. I forgot most of them because I only watched casted replays of them on youtube. I would put Kiante above in for the sake of naming one. Don't get me wrong, I love Sayle's casting and would like to have him back. I just don't think he was the best ever at all.
You clearly have no idea and your opinion will rightfully be ignored. Have a nice day.
I like how you are saying "Sayle always seemed like he actually knew what he was talking about" but then proceed and say "He didnt pretend to know everything". As I said, I liked his casting for the exact same reasons you did. However, there were better casters than him but those did not cast live events for the most part and were mostly gone when Sayle was very active. Sayle was C on ICCup, of course he wouldn't know every detail some A-player might know. That doesn't make him a bad caster. I just spoke out against praising him as the best caster ever, which is indeed quite short-sighted in my opinion.
On January 12 2017 03:51 Vuk_91 wrote: Sayle is the best bw commentator of all time by a mile. Him coming back would have been amazing!
+1
There is no equal. Tastosis are really good at generating hype. They always sound really hyped up. But there is so little "meat" behind that hype. It becomes painfully obvious that they dont actually know much of the current state of the game. Sayle always seemed like he actually knew what he was talking about and when he didnt he had a chat full of players who would fill him in. He didnt pretend to know everything; he was eager to learn together with the viewers as the games unfolded. Really great casts.
On January 12 2017 08:19 Miragee wrote:
On January 12 2017 08:15 Vuk_91 wrote:
On January 12 2017 06:07 Miragee wrote:
On January 12 2017 03:51 Vuk_91 wrote: Sayle is the best bw commentator of all time by a mile. Him coming back would have been amazing!
No he wasn't.
Name one who was/is better?
Err tons, before Sayle was even a thing. I forgot most of them because I only watched casted replays of them on youtube. I would put Kiante above in for the sake of naming one. Don't get me wrong, I love Sayle's casting and would like to have him back. I just don't think he was the best ever at all.
You clearly have no idea and your opinion will rightfully be ignored. Have a nice day.
I like how you are saying "Sayle always seemed like he actually knew what he was talking about" but then proceed and say "He didnt pretend to know everything". As I said, I liked his casting for the exact same reasons you did. However, there were better casters than him but those did not cast live events for the most part and were mostly gone when Sayle was very active. Sayle was C on ICCup, of course he wouldn't know every detail some A-player might know. That doesn't make him a bad caster. I just spoke out against praising him as the best caster ever, which is indeed quite short-sighted in my opinion.
Btw you still haven't actually named one that is better than Sayle, other then saying "I will just say Kiante for the sake of naming one". And those others were so amazing that you actually forgotten their names? Interesting.
On January 12 2017 03:51 Vuk_91 wrote: Sayle is the best bw commentator of all time by a mile. Him coming back would have been amazing!
+1
There is no equal. Tastosis are really good at generating hype. They always sound really hyped up. But there is so little "meat" behind that hype. It becomes painfully obvious that they dont actually know much of the current state of the game. Sayle always seemed like he actually knew what he was talking about and when he didnt he had a chat full of players who would fill him in. He didnt pretend to know everything; he was eager to learn together with the viewers as the games unfolded. Really great casts.
On January 12 2017 08:19 Miragee wrote:
On January 12 2017 08:15 Vuk_91 wrote:
On January 12 2017 06:07 Miragee wrote:
On January 12 2017 03:51 Vuk_91 wrote: Sayle is the best bw commentator of all time by a mile. Him coming back would have been amazing!
No he wasn't.
Name one who was/is better?
Err tons, before Sayle was even a thing. I forgot most of them because I only watched casted replays of them on youtube. I would put Kiante above in for the sake of naming one. Don't get me wrong, I love Sayle's casting and would like to have him back. I just don't think he was the best ever at all.
You clearly have no idea and your opinion will rightfully be ignored. Have a nice day.
I like how you are saying "Sayle always seemed like he actually knew what he was talking about" but then proceed and say "He didnt pretend to know everything". As I said, I liked his casting for the exact same reasons you did. However, there were better casters than him but those did not cast live events for the most part and were mostly gone when Sayle was very active. Sayle was C on ICCup, of course he wouldn't know every detail some A-player might know. That doesn't make him a bad caster. I just spoke out against praising him as the best caster ever, which is indeed quite short-sighted in my opinion.
Btw you still haven't actually named one that is better than Sayle, other then saying "I will just say Kiante for the sake of naming one". And those others were so amazing that you actually forgotten their names? Interesting.
Have I ever said they were "amazing"? I rarely can remember names, especially when it's close to 10 years ago and I was just watching random VoDs on youtube. The major reasons I can remember Sayle's name is because he was much more recent as well as being much more prevalent, as in he casted tons of games on end in a time frame where he was basically the only english caster of relevance. I really admire him for his effort back then.
Irrc the whole Gem League casters were pretty good when they actually decided to cast seriously.
On January 12 2017 03:51 Vuk_91 wrote: Sayle is the best bw commentator of all time by a mile. Him coming back would have been amazing!
+1
There is no equal. Tastosis are really good at generating hype. They always sound really hyped up. But there is so little "meat" behind that hype. It becomes painfully obvious that they dont actually know much of the current state of the game. Sayle always seemed like he actually knew what he was talking about and when he didnt he had a chat full of players who would fill him in. He didnt pretend to know everything; he was eager to learn together with the viewers as the games unfolded. Really great casts.
On January 12 2017 08:19 Miragee wrote:
On January 12 2017 08:15 Vuk_91 wrote:
On January 12 2017 06:07 Miragee wrote:
On January 12 2017 03:51 Vuk_91 wrote: Sayle is the best bw commentator of all time by a mile. Him coming back would have been amazing!
No he wasn't.
Name one who was/is better?
Err tons, before Sayle was even a thing. I forgot most of them because I only watched casted replays of them on youtube. I would put Kiante above in for the sake of naming one. Don't get me wrong, I love Sayle's casting and would like to have him back. I just don't think he was the best ever at all.
You clearly have no idea and your opinion will rightfully be ignored. Have a nice day.
I like how you are saying "Sayle always seemed like he actually knew what he was talking about" but then proceed and say "He didnt pretend to know everything". As I said, I liked his casting for the exact same reasons you did. However, there were better casters than him but those did not cast live events for the most part and were mostly gone when Sayle was very active. Sayle was C on ICCup, of course he wouldn't know every detail some A-player might know. That doesn't make him a bad caster. I just spoke out against praising him as the best caster ever, which is indeed quite short-sighted in my opinion.
Btw you still haven't actually named one that is better than Sayle, other then saying "I will just say Kiante for the sake of naming one". And those others were so amazing that you actually forgotten their names? Interesting.
Have I ever said they were "amazing"? I rarely can remember names, especially when it's close to 10 years ago and I was just watching random VoDs on youtube. The major reasons I can remember Sayle's name is because he was much more recent as well as being much more prevalent, as in he casted tons of games on end in a time frame where he was basically the only english caster of relevance. I really admire him for his effort back then.
Irrc the whole Gem League casters were pretty good when they actually decided to cast seriously.
Nukethestars comes first to my mind when I think about the greatest probably because he was the first commentator I listend to.
On January 12 2017 03:51 Vuk_91 wrote: Sayle is the best bw commentator of all time by a mile. Him coming back would have been amazing!
+1
There is no equal. Tastosis are really good at generating hype. They always sound really hyped up. But there is so little "meat" behind that hype. It becomes painfully obvious that they dont actually know much of the current state of the game. Sayle always seemed like he actually knew what he was talking about and when he didnt he had a chat full of players who would fill him in. He didnt pretend to know everything; he was eager to learn together with the viewers as the games unfolded. Really great casts.
Exactly! The depth of his knowledge was simply unparalleled, I don't care what anyone says... He knew exactly what it meant when terran got an early armory, he'd say that it's for a (for example) 11:30 push, and he was right almost all the time. What's also forgotten is that he was casting as a beast during the last few seasons of proleague, it was particularly ridiculous during the winners league, he was casting almost every single pro game...
Random serious question: When was the last time Sayle regularly casted? I ask this because you say he should cast nowadays because he had good knowledge back then but that was some years ago right? Who is to say that his knowledge is still as deep? I mean Tastosis knowledge was probably also pretty deep at some point for example when they were progamers. Yet it shouldn't be a point for them casting nowadays that they once had deep knowledge if they can't back it up anymore
On January 12 2017 03:51 Vuk_91 wrote: Sayle is the best bw commentator of all time by a mile. Him coming back would have been amazing!
+1
There is no equal. Tastosis are really good at generating hype. They always sound really hyped up. But there is so little "meat" behind that hype. It becomes painfully obvious that they dont actually know much of the current state of the game. Sayle always seemed like he actually knew what he was talking about and when he didnt he had a chat full of players who would fill him in. He didnt pretend to know everything; he was eager to learn together with the viewers as the games unfolded. Really great casts.
Exactly! The depth of his knowledge was simply unparalleled, I don't care what anyone says... He knew exactly what it meant when terran got an early armory, he'd say that it's for a (for example) 11:30 push, and he was right almost all the time. What's also forgotten is that he was casting as a beast during the last few seasons of proleague, it was particularly ridiculous during the winners league, he was casting almost every single pro game...
Random serious question: When was the last time Sayle regularly casted?
I like how 9 pool is still a thing. These are the games I love the most, low eco ones where micro will win the game. Also the biggest reason I couldn't like SC2, just gimme 6 lings with speed and that's all I need.
Can't believe he wouldn't be all over this tournament if he has been casting recently. Kinda late in the game for him to jump in now, I suppose, but would definitely have loved to hear him cast JvF.
On January 14 2017 00:39 j2choe wrote: Can't believe he wouldn't be all over this tournament if he has been casting recently. Kinda late in the game for him to jump in now, I suppose, but would definitely have loved to hear him cast JvF.
On January 10 2017 23:38 classicyellow83 wrote: JD just expained all 3 games. It was an eye opener.
translation?
Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky.
That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills"
He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game.
"I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in."
Third game. When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game.
JD was in Stork's head entire series.
JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5.
JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork. "Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind."
Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does.
Man this is so sick. The double bluffs on double bluffs. Can't wait for JvF. Its gonna be insane. I'm still bitter about the 3 14ccs Flash pulled on Jaedong during 2010 Hana Daetoo MSL..
On January 10 2017 23:38 classicyellow83 wrote: JD just expained all 3 games. It was an eye opener.
translation?
Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky.
That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills"
He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game.
"I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in."
Third game. When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game.
JD was in Stork's head entire series.
JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5.
JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork. "Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind."
Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does.
I always wonder how much we don't know. From the audience seat the series looked so one-sided that ppl started talking about how bad Stork's PvZ is whatever.
We probably miss a lot of stuff. That's why it's great to have player interviews after the game. Even better would be a good analytical caster that plays/played at a high level and has a lot of in-depth knowledge (no offense to the casters). Some people might remember when Idra casted some games in some SC2 cup. You can think about him what you want but the cast was fucking great. He explained so many small timings/details and decisions that were made off of that it really enhanced (my) enjoyment watching the games immensely.
If you want small details. Zeus is your man. He is fucking amazing at analyzing games and explaining in ways that everyone can understand.
Okay damn so it was basically I knew that he knew. Mind games, where knowledge is double-sided blade
So FlaSh vs EffOrt game would only be understood by like a handful of people? Crazy high-level stuff. Did EffOrt understand what happened though?
No wonder ZeuS was so baller back in 2002-2003.
Thanks for the valuable insight! I've greatly enjoyed reading up on these. Makes me want to take up Korean even more
On January 12 2017 03:51 Vuk_91 wrote: Sayle is the best bw commentator of all time by a mile. Him coming back would have been amazing!
+1
There is no equal. Tastosis are really good at generating hype. They always sound really hyped up. But there is so little "meat" behind that hype. It becomes painfully obvious that they dont actually know much of the current state of the game. Sayle always seemed like he actually knew what he was talking about and when he didnt he had a chat full of players who would fill him in. He didnt pretend to know everything; he was eager to learn together with the viewers as the games unfolded. Really great casts.
On January 12 2017 08:19 Miragee wrote:
On January 12 2017 08:15 Vuk_91 wrote:
On January 12 2017 06:07 Miragee wrote:
On January 12 2017 03:51 Vuk_91 wrote: Sayle is the best bw commentator of all time by a mile. Him coming back would have been amazing!
No he wasn't.
Name one who was/is better?
Err tons, before Sayle was even a thing. I forgot most of them because I only watched casted replays of them on youtube. I would put Kiante above in for the sake of naming one. Don't get me wrong, I love Sayle's casting and would like to have him back. I just don't think he was the best ever at all.
You clearly have no idea and your opinion will rightfully be ignored. Have a nice day.
I like how you are saying "Sayle always seemed like he actually knew what he was talking about" but then proceed and say "He didnt pretend to know everything". As I said, I liked his casting for the exact same reasons you did. However, there were better casters than him but those did not cast live events for the most part and were mostly gone when Sayle was very active. Sayle was C on ICCup, of course he wouldn't know every detail some A-player might know. That doesn't make him a bad caster. I just spoke out against praising him as the best caster ever, which is indeed quite short-sighted in my opinion.
Btw you still haven't actually named one that is better than Sayle, other then saying "I will just say Kiante for the sake of naming one". And those others were so amazing that you actually forgotten their names? Interesting.
Have I ever said they were "amazing"? I rarely can remember names, especially when it's close to 10 years ago and I was just watching random VoDs on youtube. The major reasons I can remember Sayle's name is because he was much more recent as well as being much more prevalent, as in he casted tons of games on end in a time frame where he was basically the only english caster of relevance. I really admire him for his effort back then.
Irrc the whole Gem League casters were pretty good when they actually decided to cast seriously.
Nukethestars comes first to my mind when I think about the greatest probably because he was the first commentator I listend to.
I got into BW through the Violetak channel, Cholera, Moletrap, Klazart and co. I found Nuke to be irritating and ignorant but at least enthusiastic. I think to say Sayle is the greatest is focusing way too much on the more recent years of BW and ignoring its peak. Though Sayle does deserve huge props for continuing to cast as SC2 threatened the scene. Tasteless, Artosis, Chill and Day9 all did some amazing TSL casts. I don't get the Tastosis hate too, they were fairly high level players back in the day and knew what they were talking about. I feel like the years of SC2 and loss of passion maybe make people forget how good Tasteless was back in the GOMtv era.
On January 13 2017 08:48 usopsama wrote: Out of Bisu, Jaedong, Flash and Stork, the fact that Stork got a date with jiyoo, I would say he is the true winner.
I'm happy that both Jaedong and Stork got what they wanted! 
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