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TEAMS
-  POLAND
- POLAND-B
-  RUSSIA
- RUSSIA-Alfa
-  NORTH AMERICA (CA,US,MX)
-  LATIN AMERICA (any player from Sudamerica)
- ![[image loading]](http://iccup.com/templates/images/flags/n-a.gif) NORDIC TEAM (DE,CH,AT,FI,NO,DK,SE)
-  EUROPE UNION (any player from Europe except RU,PL,DE,CH,AT,FI,NO,DK,SE)
POLAND-B and RUSSIA-Alfa will play as independent teams, running for playoffs. Their players cannot switch to main team (and viceversa) until the end of the season, including playoffs.
Players coming from countries not listed above can be integrated judging case by case, if an integration is not possible we reserve the right to reject those players.
FORMAT
- Double Round Robin system (every team meet each other twice)
- Three sets:
• 3 per 1v1 Bo1 (these players can also play ACE or 2v2)
• 1 per ACE Bo3 (this player cannot play 2v2; this player can also play one 1v1)
• 1 per 2v2 Bo3 (these players can also play one 1v1)
- One point for match won, +1 extra point to winner team (best score 5-0 = +6 points)
- Hybrid elimination playoffs
SCHEDULE
- 14 weeks + playoffs
- Every Sunday 19:00 CET
MAPS
- Starting map given, then loser pick any, no double maps
DISCUSSION
As you can see we have made big changes on teams, I am personally displeased for the fact that we had to merge countries, going to lose the sense of "Nation" itself, anyway we preferred to run a more balanced League giving the chance to recruit higher lvl players to all teams.
Also the Nation Wars format changed, trying with the best of one 1v1 series and implementing an ACE at best of three. This may bring the fights vs stronger team in the paper funnier and not predetermined.
We are open to discuss topics like teams, format and maps before to start, so we can improve something if possible.
Thanks for reading and support us!
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Bisutopia19299 Posts
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nobody expects the iccup inquisition.
and now for something completely different.
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dat preview!
+ Show Spoiler +Niemand hat die Absicht, eine Nation League einzurichten!
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why are 1v1 sets only bo1..?
and when does this start
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Maybe one round winners league, one round standard format?
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im begging you please give us maps and schedule as early as possible, preferably yesterday.
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I don't like new rules.. I can agree to 3x 1v1 + ACE, but bo1 is a nonsense.
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Russian Federation74 Posts
germany in nordic team ?) lol . disagree with this.
and u mean 1x1 ace after 3 1x1 bo1 and 2x2 ?--
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Russian Federation74 Posts
and wht about money ? :jew:
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Nice to see a second season coming up, but the proposed format right now is pretty random. Why make the regular 1v1s Bo1 but the 1v1 ACE match bo3? Doesn't make much sense. You could argue for 2v2 being bo3 because it is usually faster I guess, but this format right now is just weird.
Do I assume right that every 1v1 will have the same starting map? I hope that is not the case to make lineup choices more significant.
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The format is good from observer's point of view. He gets to see 3 BO1 1x1 games, where 'the better' player is not a guaranteed win, because 'the weaker' player can prepare some strategies on a given map. Then we get to see ACE BO3, so the strongest will fight each other little bit longer than BO1. So everything was made to satisfy the observer and I think that's what admins wanted to achieve.
I'm wondering if 2v2's should be BO3 or BO1, but since 2v2's are often very short, it's ok to make it BO3 (or again maybe its not, because why should 1v1 players have possibilty to prepare a certain strategy, and 2v2 players not?)
From player's point of view, the format is a bit random in terms of results. BO1 doesnt show clearly who is the better player. There is also a matter of showing up for just 1 game and I hope players will have motivation to show up just for this 1 game, I certainly will.
What to improve? Since we are having 2 rounds, we could dedicate 1 of them to be --> Winners league format. Then question, do we make it 4 players vs 4 players 1v1 only, thus excluding 2v2? I think Winners league could attract some people to come and see it.
The previous season was good for players, BO3, a lot of Fighting Spirit. Now we are having season good for spectators.
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3 1x1 1 2x2 and a forced Ace match (u need to play this one even if no draw ) is a bit to much.any reason regular games are reduced to bo1 ?
btw since is bo1 this mean we will have 3 different maps for the 3 1x1 ?
and Ace match will have a particular map for the 3 sets or losser choice ?
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I miss the point of coming every sunday to play for a 5 minute all-in. Should be bo3 1v1 matches. This is a step back from a good format.
If you want good matches - kick all nub macro maps allowing easy 3rd with gas (fs, jade, etc.) and you'll have nice games.
3x 1v1 - very small matches, especially when the teams are being reworked to include more players.
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On September 25 2016 10:06 trutaCz wrote:
Maybe one round winners league, one round standard format?
I strongly agree with this.
On September 25 2016 19:53 Cryoc wrote:
Nice to see a second season coming up, but the proposed format right now is pretty random. Why make the regular 1v1s Bo1 but the 1v1 ACE match bo3? Doesn't make much sense. You could argue for 2v2 being bo3 because it is usually faster I guess, but this format right now is just weird.
The organizers need to be more definite about the system, I mean they wanted to change things, but this way it is too mixed up, like others said. I suggest to make it all games either bo1 or bo3, and if they decide to be it bo1, it`d be good to know the maps (different for all sets) and opponents in advance, altough the opponents might not be possible considering today`s terms.
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how can i join the southamerican team :c?
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You will probably have to wait until the organizers set a definite timeline for the second season of Nation League.
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Can I switch teams? I want to play in a team with eonzilla!
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Russian Federation382 Posts
Germany in the Nordic? i thought DE never had problems with players.
bo1? nice idea, like a korean proleague  Julia i can test you (alpha team).
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Well, we managed to scrape by without any tech losses by using almost all wild cards and fielding C-level players on various occasions. But I wouldn't call that no problems and the activity certainly won't increase.
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Russian Federation382 Posts
On September 28 2016 20:58 Cryoc wrote:
Well, we managed to scrape by without any tech losses by using almost all wild cards and fielding C-level players on various occasions. But I wouldn't call that no problems and the activity certainly won't increase.
with new format(bo1) C players can win now players activity should be higher(not summer).
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I will remind you of your wise words, when we will get 2 tech losses and drop out of the league.
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Russian Federation382 Posts
On September 28 2016 21:22 Cryoc wrote:
I will remind you of your wise words, when we will get 2 tech losses and drop out of the league.
dont worry bro, fischei & cele will survive your team
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On September 28 2016 22:16 idegelchik wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2016 21:22 Cryoc wrote:
I will remind you of your wise words, when we will get 2 tech losses and drop out of the league. dont worry bro, fischei & cele will survive your team
idegel ...
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On September 28 2016 19:19 13Julia wrote:
Can I switch teams? I want to play in a team with eonzilla!
lol can u make reppack for me plz ? i was looking for you yesterday but no luck 
also do u think is viable to go 4 hatch before third ? or im doign something wrong that my third can get easily denied.
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On September 28 2016 22:16 idegelchik wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2016 21:22 Cryoc wrote:
I will remind you of your wise words, when we will get 2 tech losses and drop out of the league. dont worry bro, fischei & cele will survive your team
Thank you for your constructivity. You reminded me once again of the usefulness of explaining anything on the internet.
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Russian Federation382 Posts
On September 29 2016 03:42 Cryoc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2016 22:16 idegelchik wrote:On September 28 2016 21:22 Cryoc wrote:
I will remind you of your wise words, when we will get 2 tech losses and drop out of the league. dont worry bro, fischei & cele will survive your team Thank you for your constructivity . You reminded me once again of the usefulness of explaining anything on the internet .
i mean Cele && fischei can save from WO. Be open, bro Cryoc
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On September 29 2016 10:12 idegelchik wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2016 03:42 Cryoc wrote:On September 28 2016 22:16 idegelchik wrote:On September 28 2016 21:22 Cryoc wrote:
I will remind you of your wise words, when we will get 2 tech losses and drop out of the league. dont worry bro, fischei & cele will survive your team Thank you for your constructivity . You reminded me once again of the usefulness of explaining anything on the internet . i mean Cele && fischei can save from WO. Be open, bro Cryoc
1) you are a troll :D
2) you honor me. I like being called C player. My high rank is C, but my true skill is more ~ C-. So thx
3) you insult fischei. He is max B- now + Show Spoiler +. If you make fun of fischei, who is the king of noobs, the curse of the noobs will fall on you.
4) The curse of the noob makes you lose important games for money on stream and look like a noob. You don't want that.
5) you are a troll :D
6) i give you 7 days to apologize to  fischei or i spell the noob curse on you.
7) thx again for calling me a C player, my ego likes it.
8) sorry for being off topic, but i needed to answer this ^^
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We(Peru) request not to be merged with any other country as we have enough players and most importantly we dont get along with any other country and is already causing troubles.
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Russian Federation382 Posts
2) you honor me. I like being called C player. My high rank is C, but my true skill is more ~ C-. So thx 3) you insult fischei. He is max B- now + Show Spoiler +. If you make fun of fischei, who is the king of noobs, the curse of the noobs will fall on you. 4) The curse of the noob makes you lose important games for money on stream and look like a noob. You don't want that. 6) i give you 7 days to apologize to fischei or i spell the noob curse on you. 7) thx again for calling me a C player, my ego likes it. 8) sorry for being off topic, but i needed to answer this ^^
2) never called you && fischei C players(i said: in bo1 any C player can win a game). i think u potential B/A players, just need to train(u know how to play, just practice).
3) fischei gosu protoss, i remember how he 99% won werdi, but 1 probe won a game
4) im noob, yes i dont want look like a noob, but its my reality
6) fishcei , and Cele Im sorry guys 
 
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On September 30 2016 04:39 Terrorterran wrote:
We(Peru) request not to be merged with any other country as we have enough players and most importantly we dont get along with any other country and is already causing troubles.
There are not many countries that u would be merged with. Practically, only Chile. Other, less important, are Venezuela, Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay but there are hardly any top players there.
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Season 2 official topic coming soon, we have improved something, if you have more suggestions or problems post here asap please
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Just 1 question, because i'm not sure. If I put Bonyth, Koget, Julia into 3x 1v1, Trutacz into 2v2, is it possible for Trutacz to play ACE? I think your intention was to not let a particular player play in 3 sets in a single nation war but its not written in #1 so that's why Im asking
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Not possible Bonyth, ACE will be played using a 2v2 slot, but the reporting bug remains.
2v2 players cannot play ACE, sorry. I will ask if we have 3v3 slots available, but I doubt.
edit: ye 3v3 not available
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On October 01 2016 12:33 iCCup.Face wrote:
Season 2 official topic coming soon, we have improved something, if you have more suggestions or problems post here asap please
yeah i suggest bo3 for regular matches
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On October 01 2016 23:33 iCCup.Face wrote:
Not possible Bonyth, ACE will be played using a 2v2 slot, but the reporting bug remains.
2v2 players cannot play ACE, sorry. I will ask if we have 3v3 slots available, but I doubt.
edit: ye 3v3 not available
DO we have to use Iccup system for that ... ?
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We don't. They just want to use it.
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Did this start yet or it is about to begin? Reason im asking is because i want to try to gather a Bulgarian team again, probably will fail but would like to have the option to try at least :D
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is team north america playing under [CA] tag still or new tag?
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On October 02 2016 20:31 trutaCz wrote:
We don't. They just want to use it.
yeah the tour is run by iccup. So yes, we would like to use the ICCup Tour system for it 
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On October 04 2016 14:34 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
is team north america playing under [CA] tag still or new tag?
Starting from s2 we will use player's country tags.
The official news and the sign-up thread with all details will be released in few days.
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I feel like instead of doing these random BO1 sets, wouldn't it make sense to do a korean style CW?
e.g.: 4v4 ; Player A vs Player B (from each team).
Player A wins, so player A stays on. Opponent now sends Player C.
So we have Player A vs Player C.... And so on. Korean style. If you win, you stay on. This format is VERY exciting, and it still incorporates that "bo1" format you guys have already suggested.
This is what they do for clan-leagues on Fish, and it's always provided tons of viewers and the way it's been. Why don't we adopt this as well instead of making this random format that makes literally no sense.
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yeah korean style would b fun. It would also require less players to b online right at the start of the nw, so we dont have to wait forever for late players or lineups
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Yes its very exciting if you have 8 teams with balanced lineups. Yes you cant make that kind of league nowadays, not enough good players.
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just throw all players in a pool, rank them based on earlier tournament placements or whatever and then make balanced, new teams. imo we should be able to get 64 players, 8 players per team for bo7 winners league (4 players needed for cw)
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On October 05 2016 17:02 Bakuryu wrote:
just throw all players in a pool, rank them based on earlier tournament placements or whatever and then make balanced, new teams. imo we should be able to get 64 players, 8 players per team for bo7 winners league (4 players needed for cw)
i don't like the idea, there would be no motivation whatsoever except money, just some randomly made teams.
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what motivation? 3 teams disbanded iirc (results gone and nothing on liquipedia....)
well maybe the teams are placed better this time so that no team will disband.
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On October 05 2016 14:52 trutaCz wrote:
Yes its very exciting if you have 8 teams with balanced lineups. Yes you cant make that kind of league nowadays, not enough good players.
That's not true; sure you guys in Poland will be pretty stacked sending You, Bonyth, koget, etc etc. Some teams may not even beat your first person (aka all-kill for those who are familiar with the korean phrases).
But it STILL uses the bo1 format that the moderators initially proposed which really doesn't change the outcome much anyways. This actually uses their suggested format + add the korean style to it for a much better viewing experience and more fun for players, too.
Let's face it - the way the countries are - it will never be truly balanced.
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On October 05 2016 22:45 Bakuryu wrote:
what motivation? 3 teams disbanded iirc (results gone and nothing on liquipedia....)
well maybe the teams are placed better this time so that no team will disband.
The lack of LP entries was a pure result of us not having sufficient manpower (read: someone good enough with LP) to make a decent page happen. We hope to find somebody for season 2 and im currently actively asking around as well as we already did ask for it in Public.
And yes you're right. Our main purpose merging the teams is to make it more likely all teams CAN compete and we see LESS to no walkovers.
In my estimation, that is not a unrealistic hope to have: New team Euope basically combines the player pool of the "World team" and "Team Germany" That add's quite a bit of potential. Think of it as adding Cryoc, yourself, Vanatir (mainly 2v2) and remag to the list of WU.
Team Scandinavia had a good enough player pool last season, but had internal difficulties in the team. It's up to them to realize their potential because they have access to enough skilled players, keep in mind Marwin for ex. played Team Scandinavia. Also adding some players from the Eastern Team on case by case basis is not out of the question.
Same about potential in skilled players is true for Team America. Draw and Dragon are strong core players, a wide array of other players is available between ty2, assault, Sugo, Cute etc.
Peru appealed to our decision to merge them with Team America in this thread earlier because "we don't get along with other players". You'll read about our decision regarding that in the upcoming news shortly.
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Lmao dragon and dragon..yeah thats what it is. All the other strong canadians are inactive or disappeared
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Dragon and dragon fighting!
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Overview on the maps
Starting maps given, loser pick any, no double maps (like season1)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/h2SZvQR.png)
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Dear organizers, did you consider any suggestions regarding anything made by us, players?
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On October 01 2016 12:33 iCCup.Face wrote:
Season 2 official topic coming soon, we have improved something, if you have more suggestions or problems post here asap please
On October 04 2016 17:43 iCCup.Face wrote:
The official news and the sign-up thread with all details will be released in few days.
On October 05 2016 18:29 Cele wrote:
You'll read about our decision regarding that in the upcoming news shortly.
Seems like VERY SOON we are about to find out if any changes were made ^_^
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Did I miss where people are supposed to sign up?
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Also, I see the maps are posted....
I understand that we use the foreigner made maps and such (even though they're garbage in my opinion). However, can't we AT LEAST include FS / CB / TaeBak Mountains? I see Overwatch is in there at least.
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You can pick FS/ CB etc. for game 2 and 3. I don't see any problem with suggested maps, will at least provide some variety.
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Yea, different maps are cool, but IMO it's too big step not to see FS or CB in any week as a first map.. You want to force people to play ICCup maps - that's cool, but keep the super standards somehow too.
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Just bear in mind that if they keep 3x BO1 format, there will be no game 2 or 3
If that's the case, I would also insist on adding more standard maps to the pool
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On October 06 2016 02:29 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
Lmao dragon and dragon..yeah thats what it is. All the other strong canadians are inactive or disappeared
meant to say "Draw and Dragon, thx for pointing out the typo. And yes i ralize Draw isn't active atm, but i have hope he comes back (;
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Should be more 4 player maps. Those listed are a big fu.k you to terran players.
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On October 07 2016 03:48 Terrorterran wrote:
Should be more 4 player maps. Those listed are a big fu.k you to terran players.
Data
Map - TvZ% TvP% using KeSPA when applicable, Amateur otherwise
Overwatch - 80% 40%
Bloody Ridge - 53.1% 61.8%
Chain Reaction - 60% 40% *
Polaris Rhapsody - 59% 40.4%
Medusa - 57.1% 52%
Heartbreak Ridge - 60% 55.5%
Outsider - 60% 39.5%
Demian - 75% 50%
Mist - 56.3% 71.4%
Aztec - 53.3% 50%
Benzene - 64.1% 51.3%
Queensbridge - couldn't find data
Resonance - couldn't find data
Cross Game - couldn't find data
Average - 61.6% 50.2%
*due to small number of games, combined the stats from both versions of the map
Conclusion
Sorry buddy, can't say I can subscribe to the bullshit you're trying to sell when you say that the maps are a "fuck you" to Terran players. Go peddle your tears elsewhere.
*looks at username*
Ah.
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