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pubbanana
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3063 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-03-16 00:04:38
March 16 2007 00:04 GMT
#21
KeSPA decides what games can officially be called e-Sports, issues the progaming licences, decides what rules must be followed in televised games (like no cursing, no bad manners, ect), and generally just does their best to give e-Sports a good image. To this day, I don't know what kind of claim they have to the game channels that show the Proleague.


IEG is International e-Sports Group. I don't know who they are or what they do.

I know I haven't kept up with progaming in about 7-8 months and thus have no business commenting on this, but I'm going to anyway: IEG needs to shut the fuck and just let OGN and MBC have the Proleague.

Edit: apparently, IEG was explained in the post right before this one.
Wachet, stehet im Glauben, seid männlich und seid stark.
KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
March 16 2007 00:08 GMT
#22
On March 16 2007 09:03 vGl-CoW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2007 08:56 KizZBG wrote:
On March 16 2007 08:52 MYM.Testie wrote:
Who the hell is IEG?


Yeah, I don't get it either. A lot of things should be explained here. For example KeSPA stands for Korean e-Sports Players Association which is etc etc.


You can find a lot of info in this news post by uhjoo: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=50116

and (to a lesser extent) to this later news post by infinity: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=50648

This is basically the third part in the story, and it looks like IEG is causing a lot of problems by being a greedy new player in the field.


Thanks.
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SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-03-16 00:11:33
March 16 2007 00:11 GMT
#23


Pain in the ass scenario
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rS.NonY
Profile Joined February 2007
United States286 Posts
March 16 2007 00:12 GMT
#24
On March 16 2007 09:04 pubbanana wrote:
I know I haven't kept up with progaming in about 7-8 months and thus have no business commenting on this, but I'm going to anyway: IEG needs to shut the fuck and just let OGN and MBC have the Proleague.


Well, kinda. IMO it's just a mess that IEG ended up buying the broadcasting rights. It would've been better if OGN/MBC pitched in together to buy Proleague from KeSPA and then things would have gone smoother. But I think that IEG projected more money to be made than what there actually is, and so their demands on OGN/MBC are just too high. But if IEG is stubborn and won't give reasonable demands in a timely manner, SC progaming is going to suffer bigtime in the meantime.
sweatpants
Profile Joined April 2006
United States940 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-03-16 00:21:00
March 16 2007 00:18 GMT
#25
The way I see it, at the time of the auction, OGN and MBC had the most power in the negotiations. So for leverage, and to show that they meant business, KeSPA sold the rights to legitimately the highest bidder. So the power in the negotiation has shifted towards KeSPA who, now with a broadcasting alternative, has the power to abandon OGN and MBC if it comes to that. During all this, IEG is playing the scared bystander in the entire conflict who just wants everyone to get along. The dust settles and OGN and MBC know they're beat and submit. But now you have to see who really made the most in this deal. IEG came out of nowhere and now has the exclusive rights to broadcasting proleague. This puts them in a position of power over both KeSPA and OGN/MBC.

Now it's just like in Goodfellas:
Fuck you, pay me! Fuck you, pay me! Fuck you, pay me!

Edit: and while I'm at it, I'll quote Layer Cake-
The art of good business is being a good middle-man.
Perfect. Plays low-econ, high-econ, plays orthodox, plays funky, plays Mozart, plays Run-DMC. Micro, macro, strategy, management, fundamentals, and balls the size of Brazil. He plays Zerg the way the Xel Naga intended - like a ball of mercury. -HonestTea
Aphelion
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States2720 Posts
March 16 2007 00:28 GMT
#26
If anyone wants to send them a message, here's the contacts the IEG guy posted here


On February 21 2007 17:32 IEGbrooks wrote:
If any of you here would like some answers and are willing to have an intelligent discussion about this, feel free to email me at stuart@iegroup.co.kr.

No flaming please. Only intelligent responses.

Stuart Brooks | International Business Manager
International E-Sports Group Inc


Please don't flame and post intelligently. This probably won't do any good, but I think a lot of people would like some avenue to voice their opinions, at least.
But Garimto was always more than just a Protoss...
wXs.Havok
Profile Joined October 2006
Argentina529 Posts
March 16 2007 00:33 GMT
#27
ill send em something after i clear my mind and get to home.
Read this and you`re gay
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
March 16 2007 00:37 GMT
#28
How could all the teams support IEG?
WTF?
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pubbanana
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3063 Posts
March 16 2007 00:52 GMT
#29
I read the other thread about the Proleague, and it seems IEG wants to start domestic Proleagues in North America and Europe? I don't know how I feel about that. I mean, look at Iron Chef America.
Wachet, stehet im Glauben, seid männlich und seid stark.
bine
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States2352 Posts
March 16 2007 01:24 GMT
#30
I e-mailed the guy. Here's hoping he answers my questions.
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
March 16 2007 01:49 GMT
#31
money fucks everything up.
muramasa
Profile Joined March 2005
Canada1299 Posts
March 16 2007 02:09 GMT
#32
Was the ammount that IEG payed KeSPA for the exclusive broadcasting rights ever revealed? Any Koreans know?
Hong Jin Ho. Nevar forget.
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9374 Posts
March 16 2007 02:13 GMT
#33
man this is so fucking gay. -_-;}

I wonder, why are they going to do with the rights, if MBC and OGN now refuse to buy them and they decide to make a league between them, a lot like proleague, but dif name..like.

"Insanely e-ignorant Geeks" League"
"This goes to the bitches who tried to fuck with us."
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knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
March 16 2007 02:21 GMT
#34
wait a second is this going to affect shinhan masters tournament?
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
March 16 2007 02:28 GMT
#35
IEG has no fucking clue what it is doing.
It's idea is in the right place to expand but it seriously has no fucking clue what it is doing or how to do it.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
March 16 2007 03:19 GMT
#36
On March 16 2007 11:21 kNyTTyM wrote:
wait a second is this going to affect shinhan masters tournament?


your answer is below.

On March 16 2007 08:23 iNFeRnO wrote:
There's a short interview with Kespa here http://www.fighterforum.com/news/news_read.asp?cat=ISS&idx=17158

It says they still want to want to work with OGN/MBC and they will have another meeting by this weekend. They also say they have a hidden "big card" (?) for the meeting.

Also, tomorrow's Shinhan Master's games will remain unaffected, and will go as scheduled.


big card... maybe some other TV station wants to broadcast proleague, or so they will claim yadayada
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
March 16 2007 03:20 GMT
#37
hahahaha wow

IEG are being stupid as hell, you don't ask for 40% of revenue on ANYTHING

The funniest part about all of this shit is that kespa didnt own the broadcasting rights to begin with, Blizzard does. Except it costs Blizzard a lot of money and manpower to take Kespa to school, so they aren't going to do it. So Kespa sold something they don't own, and now IEG is charging a ridiculous amount for something that technically doesn't exist within their grasp.
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
March 16 2007 03:24 GMT
#38
On March 16 2007 09:18 sweatpants wrote:
The way I see it, at the time of the auction, OGN and MBC had the most power in the negotiations. So for leverage, and to show that they meant business, KeSPA sold the rights to legitimately the highest bidder.


not legitimately

So the power in the negotiation has shifted towards KeSPA who, now with a broadcasting alternative, has the power to abandon OGN and MBC if it comes to that.


Dumb move by Kespa as there really isnt a strong alternative to MBC/OSL. Who's gonna pick up the slack? Only CJ really has close to the manpower or the ability to perform on that level, but even they fall short.

During all this, IEG is playing the scared bystander in the entire conflict who just wants everyone to get along. The dust settles and OGN and MBC know they're beat and submit. But now you have to see who really made the most in this deal. IEG came out of nowhere and now has the exclusive rights to broadcasting proleague. This puts them in a position of power over both KeSPA and OGN/MBC.


It puts them in a position to start considering "retirement fund" for the upper-ups.

aaaaaaaaa
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
sweatpants
Profile Joined April 2006
United States940 Posts
March 16 2007 03:51 GMT
#39
Yea exactly, Steve. I was going to add "a very weak alternative, at that..."
It's true that all of that shit about "KeSPA running things for a while" and how they exactly came to obtain these rights is all murky. I wasn't even going to go into that, giving our buddy IEGDave or whatever the benefit of the doubt. I wanted to point out that even when assuming all of that was legit, they're still stirring up a real shitfest here.

The real power KeSPA has over MBC/OGN is the pro-gaming teams and their ability to boycott individual leagues. Before, they weren't able to use that power because they were solely dependent on MBC/OGN for broadcasting.

But hell, if they can't or aren't willing to cut ties with IEG, fuck em. The fans are with MBC and OGN and the audience base is all they need to show KeSPA whose court the ball is in. Paying for broadcasting and relinquishing absolute rights would've been a GIFT if KeSPA wasn't so desperate to sell the rights.
Perfect. Plays low-econ, high-econ, plays orthodox, plays funky, plays Mozart, plays Run-DMC. Micro, macro, strategy, management, fundamentals, and balls the size of Brazil. He plays Zerg the way the Xel Naga intended - like a ball of mercury. -HonestTea
Wasabi
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States3085 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-03-16 03:59:12
March 16 2007 03:52 GMT
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