EPTIEG vs MBC / OGN
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Aphelion
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muramasa
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
OGN/MBC have once again started a fight with IEG. In their recent meeting, IEG demanded a large sum of money which MBC and OGN both thought were ridiculous. As a result, the companies were unable to come to a agreement once again, and the ties were broken. Hearing this news, the Managers of each team except for MBC and OGN started a boycott of the MSL prelims, and left the stadium during commercial break. The future of Proleague, Starleague, and Brood War Progaming in general has just been put in jeopardy. -Live2Win @ MSL Prelim Live thread | ||
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muramasa
Canada1299 Posts
On March 16 2007 06:23 Kennigit wrote: IEG is demanding .75 million per year per station, play 40% of the revenue from all VOD Downloads OGN says that they'll be loosing money if they agreed to that and couldn't possibly. All the teams except for hero's and sparkyz walked out at a commercial break. Saw it happen "live" on sc2...pretty bad ass .- cue dos to Inferno in the sc2 chat for relaying those figures. Also from the MSL prelims thread. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5860 Posts
Now OGN and MBC can't even make their own team league as IEG will simply ask KeSPA to make progaming teams boycott it... WTF | ||
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sweatpants
United States940 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5860 Posts
edit: KeSPA had to do something with this boycott as it's made of roteams' sponsors represents. Why else would progaming teams do this the day OGN and MBC rejected this stupid IEG offer? | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
I'd like to hear more from him now. What's the point without the TV stations. | ||
Corinthos
Canada1842 Posts
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iNFeRnO
Canada254 Posts
It says they still want to want to work with OGN/MBC and they will have another meeting by this weekend. They also say they have a hidden "big card" (?) for the meeting. Also, tomorrow's Shinhan Master's games will remain unaffected, and will go as scheduled. | ||
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Corinthos
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bine
United States2352 Posts
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iNFeRnO
Canada254 Posts
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
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Aphelion
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SK.Testie
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KizZBG
u gotta skate8152 Posts
On March 16 2007 08:52 MYM.Testie wrote: Who the hell is IEG? Yeah, I don't get it either. A lot of things should be explained here. For example KeSPA stands for Korean e-Sports Players Association which is etc etc. | ||
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sweatpants
United States940 Posts
The ONLY thing that could've gone wrong here was the introduction of IEG into the scene, and it DID. As I expected, they're just a bullshit middle-man company wanting a slice of the pie. But I didn't expect them to be this ruthless this early on. Do I remember correctly that KeSPA sold exclusive broadcasting rights to IEG, and now broadcasting companies will have to pay IEG to show Starcraft? If that's the case, the blame lands squarely on KeSPA's plate for making such a rash move without negotiating to the best of their ability with MBC and OGN. Is there anything legally that can be done for KeSPA to get the rights back?? | ||
vGl-CoW
Belgium8305 Posts
On March 16 2007 08:56 KizZBG wrote: Yeah, I don't get it either. A lot of things should be explained here. For example KeSPA stands for Korean e-Sports Players Association which is etc etc. You can find a lot of info in this news post by uhjoo: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=50116 and (to a lesser extent) to this later news post by infinity: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=50648 This is basically the third part in the story, and it looks like IEG is causing a lot of problems by being a greedy new player in the field. | ||
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rS.NonY
United States286 Posts
On March 16 2007 08:52 MYM.Testie wrote: Who the hell is IEG? IEG is a sports marketing company that bought the rights for broadcasting Proleague from KeSPA. OGN/MBC used to be able to broadcast Proleague without having to pay for the rights, so OGN/MBC are now having to deal with some significant fees that they've never had to before. Of course, either OGN or MBC could have bought the broadcasting rights directly from KeSPA, but neither of them bid. IEG was the sole bidder and now OGN/MBC have to go through IEG in order to broadcast those games. | ||
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pubbanana
United States3063 Posts
IEG is International e-Sports Group. I don't know who they are or what they do. I know I haven't kept up with progaming in about 7-8 months and thus have no business commenting on this, but I'm going to anyway: IEG needs to shut the fuck and just let OGN and MBC have the Proleague. Edit: apparently, IEG was explained in the post right before this one. | ||
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KizZBG
u gotta skate8152 Posts
On March 16 2007 09:03 vGl-CoW wrote: You can find a lot of info in this news post by uhjoo: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=50116 and (to a lesser extent) to this later news post by infinity: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=50648 This is basically the third part in the story, and it looks like IEG is causing a lot of problems by being a greedy new player in the field. Thanks. | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
Pain in the ass scenario | ||
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rS.NonY
United States286 Posts
On March 16 2007 09:04 pubbanana wrote: I know I haven't kept up with progaming in about 7-8 months and thus have no business commenting on this, but I'm going to anyway: IEG needs to shut the fuck and just let OGN and MBC have the Proleague. Well, kinda. IMO it's just a mess that IEG ended up buying the broadcasting rights. It would've been better if OGN/MBC pitched in together to buy Proleague from KeSPA and then things would have gone smoother. But I think that IEG projected more money to be made than what there actually is, and so their demands on OGN/MBC are just too high. But if IEG is stubborn and won't give reasonable demands in a timely manner, SC progaming is going to suffer bigtime in the meantime. | ||
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sweatpants
United States940 Posts
Now it's just like in Goodfellas: Fuck you, pay me! Fuck you, pay me! Fuck you, pay me! Edit: and while I'm at it, I'll quote Layer Cake- The art of good business is being a good middle-man. | ||
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Aphelion
United States2720 Posts
On February 21 2007 17:32 IEGbrooks wrote: If any of you here would like some answers and are willing to have an intelligent discussion about this, feel free to email me at stuart@iegroup.co.kr. No flaming please. Only intelligent responses. Stuart Brooks | International Business Manager International E-Sports Group Inc Please don't flame and post intelligently. This probably won't do any good, but I think a lot of people would like some avenue to voice their opinions, at least. | ||
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wXs.Havok
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
WTF? | ||
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pubbanana
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bine
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
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muramasa
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funkie
Venezuela9377 Posts
I wonder, why are they going to do with the rights, if MBC and OGN now refuse to buy them and they decide to make a league between them, a lot like proleague, but dif name..like. "Insanely e-ignorant Geeks" League" "This goes to the bitches who tried to fuck with us." | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
It's idea is in the right place to expand but it seriously has no fucking clue what it is doing or how to do it. | ||
thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On March 16 2007 11:21 kNyTTyM wrote: wait a second is this going to affect shinhan masters tournament? your answer is below. On March 16 2007 08:23 iNFeRnO wrote: There's a short interview with Kespa here http://www.fighterforum.com/news/news_read.asp?cat=ISS&idx=17158 It says they still want to want to work with OGN/MBC and they will have another meeting by this weekend. They also say they have a hidden "big card" (?) for the meeting. Also, tomorrow's Shinhan Master's games will remain unaffected, and will go as scheduled. big card... maybe some other TV station wants to broadcast proleague, or so they will claim yadayada | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
IEG are being stupid as hell, you don't ask for 40% of revenue on ANYTHING The funniest part about all of this shit is that kespa didnt own the broadcasting rights to begin with, Blizzard does. Except it costs Blizzard a lot of money and manpower to take Kespa to school, so they aren't going to do it. So Kespa sold something they don't own, and now IEG is charging a ridiculous amount for something that technically doesn't exist within their grasp. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On March 16 2007 09:18 sweatpants wrote: The way I see it, at the time of the auction, OGN and MBC had the most power in the negotiations. So for leverage, and to show that they meant business, KeSPA sold the rights to legitimately the highest bidder. not legitimately So the power in the negotiation has shifted towards KeSPA who, now with a broadcasting alternative, has the power to abandon OGN and MBC if it comes to that. Dumb move by Kespa as there really isnt a strong alternative to MBC/OSL. Who's gonna pick up the slack? Only CJ really has close to the manpower or the ability to perform on that level, but even they fall short. During all this, IEG is playing the scared bystander in the entire conflict who just wants everyone to get along. The dust settles and OGN and MBC know they're beat and submit. But now you have to see who really made the most in this deal. IEG came out of nowhere and now has the exclusive rights to broadcasting proleague. This puts them in a position of power over both KeSPA and OGN/MBC. It puts them in a position to start considering "retirement fund" for the upper-ups. aaaaaaaaa | ||
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sweatpants
United States940 Posts
It's true that all of that shit about "KeSPA running things for a while" and how they exactly came to obtain these rights is all murky. I wasn't even going to go into that, giving our buddy IEGDave or whatever the benefit of the doubt. I wanted to point out that even when assuming all of that was legit, they're still stirring up a real shitfest here. The real power KeSPA has over MBC/OGN is the pro-gaming teams and their ability to boycott individual leagues. Before, they weren't able to use that power because they were solely dependent on MBC/OGN for broadcasting. But hell, if they can't or aren't willing to cut ties with IEG, fuck em. The fans are with MBC and OGN and the audience base is all they need to show KeSPA whose court the ball is in. Paying for broadcasting and relinquishing absolute rights would've been a GIFT if KeSPA wasn't so desperate to sell the rights. | ||
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Wasabi
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DTDominion
United States2148 Posts
If OGN and MBC make their own pro league I don't believe the same announcers will cover it. And the pro teams might not attend in protest. Plus OGN and MBC's profits are lower. KeSPA and the pro teams hold all the cards and don't want to relent. They know they can force StarCraft viewers to watch whatever they damn well please and get away with it. | ||
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Wasabi
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WorldDomination
Mexico33 Posts
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Polemarch
Canada1564 Posts
did KeSPA permanently sell the rights to IEG, or is this like a 1-2 year deal? | ||
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flammie
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On March 16 2007 13:12 Polemarch wrote: damnit, the fact that the rights are sold to IEG really screws things up. if it were just KeSPA and OGN/MBC it'd be much easier to come to an agreement, but now with a third party that's locked in there and has money committed, it'll be harder, because IEG'll lose money (and face) on it if they don't get enough out of the broadcasters. it's like a schoolyard fight between two friends that's escalated to the point where it's out of their control. did KeSPA permanently sell the rights to IEG, or is this like a 1-2 year deal? iirc, 3 years? because that's what mbc/ogn was negotiating for when they made the "agreement" | ||
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Polemarch
Canada1564 Posts
i can't see IEG completely backing down (except on the price tag, which is probably initially inflated), because whoever's in charge at IEG would look really stupid if they did. i don't really see what kespa can do now either. just hope IEG/OGNMBC can strike a deal. | ||
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sweatpants
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