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Croatia9517 Posts
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Russian Federation382 Posts
thx 2pac 
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nice maps, Yah for overwatch and electric circuit 
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
Hype Hype Hype!
congrats to NegativeZero
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Russian Federation382 Posts
hard maps for PvZ, usually the balance on the map make soft Terrans, but on TLC terran 3 or 4. okay.
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Love to see Jade being played. I think I'd call it my favorite map. Also interested to see how Neo Overwatch will turn out.
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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I like that FS is last in every set, gj organizers. Personally I dislike electric circuit and all gimmicky maps like that but what can u do.
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oh ye, super pumped for ro32!
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On February 27 2016 00:24 idegelchik wrote:
hard maps for PvZ, usually the balance on the map make soft Terrans, but on TLC terran 3 or 4. okay.
yes in sum not the best PvZ maps. Especially Neo Electric Circuit and Neo Jade are not maps you look forward too. But we'll see.
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Again bad maps for PvZ .. ;
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Im happy to see Neo Overwatch in the map pool, that’s a positive in my book.
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Russian Federation382 Posts
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Russian Federation382 Posts
i pick only last games. dont worry about tvz, u play zvz in ro32 
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Protoss players need to stop crying about maps and finally concentrate on their skill level.
+ Show Spoiler +Analyzing maps you have to take into account the skill of the players involved.
Effort vs ANY protoss other than Bisu should be 95% win
Hero vs ANY protoss other than Bisu should be 90% win, same with Zero.
They are simply a class lower players, most of them have around 150apm less than the top zergs... :D
If a map allows players like Free, Shuttle or Guemchi to fight against Effort or Hero, the map is not balanced, its absolutely imbalanced!
This way any map will always be bad for protoss. You can't balance 100 apm difference with maps :D
What are balanced or toss-favoured maps for you protoss players, are there such maps at all?
If you can't top zergs on Jade or FS, you need to start practicing, because once the maps change to HBR or Jade, you're gonna get outplayed by creative zergs by far. Making cannons and waiting for 200/200 is a viable strategy with protoss, but will only get you so far.
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then how do you explain 50/50 stats on 400 games on Fighting Spirit? We have a lot of games from effort, zero and hero here too, yet the winrate isn't affected. If you take a look at the first page of the results, you'll notice results like Noble ->Effort, shuttle -> hero etc as well as more "expected" results where these players win. But the overall winrate is close to 50% and by your logic, it shouldn't be because you argue the imbalance rests in the skill of the players. We also find a lot of games from the players mentioned by you, so it's not like their games on FS are negligible for the winrates.
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I already stated, if a protoss player can't win on FS or Jade, they will not win anywhere else. These are protoss favoured maps.
+ Show Spoiler +There is a reason why most protoss players can't play anywhere else than FS. But I will not discuss maps with anyone who does not play, the experience gap vs the theory gap is just too big.
We still have people who argue that you can win zvt on Destination ;-) but if you give them zerg and put them against terran, their perspective will change immediately. This is why I don't theorycraft, I play.
But, I am still intrested what maps protoss players would prefer.
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On February 29 2016 03:00 kingfish- wrote:I already stated, if a protoss player can't win on FS or Jade, they will not win anywhere else. These are protoss favoured maps. + Show Spoiler +There is a reason why most protoss players can't play anywhere else than FS. But I will not discuss maps with anyone who does not play, the experience gap vs the theory gap is just too big.
We still have people who argue that you can win zvt on Destination ;-) but if you give them zerg and put them against terran, their perspective will change immediately. This is why I don't theorycraft, I play. But, I am still intrested what maps protoss players would prefer.
i agree with you about desti,however bakuryu still think that desti is awesome for zvt xd :D <3
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On February 29 2016 03:00 kingfish- wrote:I already stated, if a protoss player can't win on FS or Jade, they will not win anywhere else. These are protoss favoured maps. + Show Spoiler +There is a reason why most protoss players can't play anywhere else than FS. But I will not discuss maps with anyone who does not play, the experience gap vs the theory gap is just too big.
We still have people who argue that you can win zvt on Destination ;-) but if you give them zerg and put them against terran, their perspective will change immediately. This is why I don't theorycraft, I play. But, I am still intrested what maps protoss players would prefer.
First i play and secondly numbers don't lie. Statistics =/= theorycrafting. And you haven't answered my question at all. If Zero hero effort are the reason for stats guite a bit in favor of zerg on Neo electric, then why doesn't that apply to FS?
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On February 28 2016 18:55 idegelchik wrote:i pick only last games. dont worry about tvz, u play zvz in ro32
Yeah, you pick only last games because it supports what you are trying to prove, that doesn't make it a valid argument. Why does it matter what matchup I'm playing? I'm showing you FS favors T > Z more than Electric Circuit favors Z > P. Really I was just showing how silly your argument was, especially since you are using data that involves TOP KOREANS, and applying it to foreign amateurs.
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And here goes the imba talk :D
What is the deadline for our RO32 matches? Is it saturday, as always?
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On March 01 2016 06:30 Bonyth wrote:
And here goes the imba talk :D
What is the deadline for our RO32 matches? Is it saturday, as always?
you cant argue here sir,i already reported you to blizzard for that imba 2 bases carriers bullsh*t ^^
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If Zero hero effort are the reason for stats guite a bit in favor of zerg on Neo electric, then why doesn't that apply to FS?
Because FS favours protoss.
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Croatia9517 Posts
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