On January 18 2016 01:23 Cele wrote: gonna watch both streams of this actually. give up some hype for the most anticipated ZvZ in a good amount of time !
the last ZvZ game I watched of ZerO was hive tech, I need more.(I didn't watch ZerO vs HoGiL so it doesn't count for me) + Show Spoiler +
On January 18 2016 09:11 prech wrote: EffOrt's been practicing with hero and MisO, supposedly, mostly offline... hasn't look very impressive in some sets against hero :/
Still leaning towards ZerO at this point
Same. Zero just has the better ZvZ talent. It takes a weird player like kwanro to beat him.
On January 18 2016 16:19 BLinD-RawR wrote: ohhh boy we haven't even started yet...don't shitpost in my thread unless you got real quality smack talk and I'm talking QUALITY
On January 18 2016 16:19 BLinD-RawR wrote: ohhh boy we haven't even started yet...don't shitpost in my thread unless you got real quality smack talk and I'm talking QUALITY
I don't think he'll win by a long shot.
6 posts in you've made that joke like twice, gotta come up with some new material man.
On January 18 2016 16:19 BLinD-RawR wrote: ohhh boy we haven't even started yet...don't shitpost in my thread unless you got real quality smack talk and I'm talking QUALITY
I don't think he'll win by a long shot.
6 posts in you've made that joke like twice, gotta come up with some new material man.
On January 18 2016 19:14 Miragee wrote: So Bisudagger and xkcd are still going to cast? Great, Tastosis is already painful. Seems like they cast for an sc2 audience.
On January 18 2016 19:14 Miragee wrote: So Bisudagger and xkcd are still going to cast? Great, Tastosis is already painful. Seems like they cast for an sc2 audience.
Just like they should be doing.
Is that so? Then why don't they explain the differences between the openings?
On January 18 2016 19:14 Miragee wrote: So Bisudagger and xkcd are still going to cast? Great, Tastosis is already painful. Seems like they cast for an sc2 audience.
Don't be a jerk... That's the point. The typical Brood War stream has small viewership. Tastosis is casting to like 5-6 THOUSAND viewers who are going to have rusty memories or maybe it's their first time watching an English Brood War cast.
You have to ease that audience into Brood War as there's tons of differences between the two. It also doesn't help they might be spoiled because they can't see the map entirely, and there's no production tab and a lot of unfamiliar units.
On January 18 2016 19:14 Miragee wrote: So Bisudagger and xkcd are still going to cast? Great, Tastosis is already painful. Seems like they cast for an sc2 audience.
Don't be a jerk... That's the point. The typical Brood War stream has small viewership. Tastosis is casting to like 5-6 THOUSAND viewers who are going to have rusty memories or maybe it's their first time watching an English Brood War cast.
You have to ease that audience into Brood War as there's tons of differences between the two. It also doesn't help they might be spoiled because they can't see the map entirely, and there's no production tab and a lot of unfamiliar tab.
Yeah seriously. They are doing a lot for someone like me whos just getting into the game
On January 18 2016 19:14 Miragee wrote: So Bisudagger and xkcd are still going to cast? Great, Tastosis is already painful. Seems like they cast for an sc2 audience.
People like you are the reason BW and SC2 fans get into flame wars. Stop being a dick and enjoy the game.
On January 18 2016 19:14 Miragee wrote: So Bisudagger and xkcd are still going to cast? Great, Tastosis is already painful. Seems like they cast for an sc2 audience.
People like you are the reason BW and SC2 fans get into flame wars. Stop being a dick and enjoy the game.
srsly. I think it would be incredible if we had an awesome big foreign audience/community for Brood War/SC2, similiar to early 2000s Brood War/WC3, today's Smash Bros Melee/ Sm4sh, even if one of the games isn't your cup of tea.
WTF nice. Broodwar getting a lot of exposure by that frontpage feature. Thats awesome. Altough I am always annoyed by the frontpage featured streams, most of people still take a look. So that is really nice.
On January 18 2016 19:14 Miragee wrote: So Bisudagger and xkcd are still going to cast? Great, Tastosis is already painful. Seems like they cast for an sc2 audience.
People like you are the reason BW and SC2 fans get into flame wars. Stop being a dick and enjoy the game.
Well, I was already unhappy about the situation that Tastosis took over out of nothing. As someone who was continiously watching BW all this time it is pretty unenjoyable to suddenly get a cast that doesn't cater to you, especially under these circumstances. That's the reason why I'm happy that BD&xkcd are still casting, aside from the fact that they deserve it.
I hope you realise that you suddenly get your personal pandering so it's only logical that you enjoy this. It's not the same for me. Oh and don't get me wrong, I like Tastosis, it's just the circumstances that annoy me.
Tasteless and Artosis just said it. First professional english broadcast of Broodwar FROM A STUDIO. I was wondering when they were going to make a reference to the other stream.
On January 18 2016 19:14 Miragee wrote: So Bisudagger and xkcd are still going to cast? Great, Tastosis is already painful. Seems like they cast for an sc2 audience.
People like you are the reason BW and SC2 fans get into flame wars. Stop being a dick and enjoy the game.
Well, I was already unhappy about the situation that Tastosis took over out of nothing. As someone who was continiously watching BW all this time it is pretty unenjoyable to suddenly get a cast that doesn't cater to you, especially under these circumstances. That's the reason why I'm happy that BD&xkcd are still casting, aside from the fact that they deserve it.
I hope you realise that you suddenly get your personal pandering so it's only logical that you enjoy this. It's not the same for me. Oh and don't get me wrong, I like Tastosis, it's just the circumstances that annoy me.
Then proceed to watch a different stream, I haven't followed BW as even remotely close as SC2 so I'm not ungrateful for a more "casual" cast, because I love to watch BW from time to time, yet can't bring myself to play it, at all.
On January 18 2016 20:03 BLinD-RawR wrote: I cringe every time they say spines.
Spore crawlers!
come to think of it, isn't it very odd that they changed the sunken to the spine crawler? Why make a redesign when it is essentially the same unit with a new skin and an additional ability?
On January 18 2016 20:03 BLinD-RawR wrote: I cringe every time they say spines.
Spore crawlers!
come to think of it, isn't it very odd that they changed the sunken to the spine crawler? Why make a redesign when it is essentially the same unit with a new skin and an additional ability?
idk, seeing a colony uproot and burrow sounds traumatizing
On January 18 2016 20:07 Kommander wrote: I'm so late to the party, are they trying to revive BW in some capacity???
well, if you'd want to be a tad more cynical you can say that BW is revived so Afreeca wants to capitalize on that and have paid Tastosis to cast and get more moneys and viewers.
On January 18 2016 20:10 Tiaraju9 wrote: As a SC2 player I'm still waiting to be amazed. Hope it happens soon.
ZvZ definitely isn't close to being the best match-up for casuals like you. I would wait for the finals. However, if you're not impressed by mutalisk micro in brood war, I think you're a lost case anyway
zero shouldve waited for dev with hes queens, let the devs shoot and queen ensnare the muta clump first and let them die to the scourges then run in with mutas.
On January 18 2016 20:10 Tiaraju9 wrote: As a SC2 player I'm still waiting to be amazed. Hope it happens soon.
ZvZ definitely isn't close to being the best match-up for casuals like you. I would wait for the finals. However, if you're not impressed by mutalisk micro in brood war (compared to its total absence in sc2), I think you're a lost case anyway
Even in a Brood War tournament, BW fans still find the space to bash SC2. How nice.
On January 18 2016 20:10 Tiaraju9 wrote: As a SC2 player I'm still waiting to be amazed. Hope it happens soon.
ZvZ definitely isn't close to being the best match-up for casuals like you. I would wait for the finals. However, if you're not impressed by mutalisk micro in brood war (compared to its total absence in sc2), I think you're a lost case anyway
Even in a Brood War tournament, BW fans still find the space to bash SC2. How nice.
On January 18 2016 20:10 Tiaraju9 wrote: As a SC2 player I'm still waiting to be amazed. Hope it happens soon.
ZvZ definitely isn't close to being the best match-up for casuals like you. I would wait for the finals. However, if you're not impressed by mutalisk micro in brood war (compared to its total absence in sc2), I think you're a lost case anyway
Even in a Brood War tournament, BW fans still find the space to bash SC2. How nice.
could have phrased it better.
Tell me, how would you phrase "Brood War's Mutalisk micromanagement is vastly superior to SC2's, which has none, and if you don't like it, you are a lost cause" better, to make it not bash SC2?
On January 18 2016 20:10 Tiaraju9 wrote: As a SC2 player I'm still waiting to be amazed. Hope it happens soon.
ZvZ definitely isn't close to being the best match-up for casuals like you. I would wait for the finals. However, if you're not impressed by mutalisk micro in brood war (compared to its total absence in sc2), I think you're a lost case anyway
Even in a Brood War tournament, BW fans still find the space to bash SC2. How nice.
could have phrased it better.
Tell me, how would you phrase "Brood War's Mutalisk micromanagement is vastly superior to SC2's, which has none, and if you don't like it, you are a lost cause" better, to make it not bash SC2?
BW's mutalisk micromanagement is more challenging than SC2s(due to the mechanics of the game) and can be a bit daunting to newcomers to the game coming from SC2.
On January 18 2016 20:10 Tiaraju9 wrote: As a SC2 player I'm still waiting to be amazed. Hope it happens soon.
ZvZ definitely isn't close to being the best match-up for casuals like you. I would wait for the finals. However, if you're not impressed by mutalisk micro in brood war (compared to its total absence in sc2), I think you're a lost case anyway
Even in a Brood War tournament, BW fans still find the space to bash SC2. How nice.
could have phrased it better.
Tell me, how would you phrase "Brood War's Mutalisk micromanagement is vastly superior to SC2's, which has none, and if you don't like it, you are a lost cause" better, to make it not bash SC2?
BW's mutalisk micromanagement is more challenging than SC2s(due to the mechanics of the game) and can be a bit daunting to newcomers to the game coming from SC2.
Okay, I should let this drop, but this doesn't convey the meaning of what he said. He said SC2 had NO Mutalisk micromanagement whatsoever, and 'you are a lost cause' is not equal to 'daunting to newcomers'. He is literally telling newcomers who may find it un-impressive or daunting that they suck/are not worth his time/etc
On January 18 2016 20:10 Tiaraju9 wrote: As a SC2 player I'm still waiting to be amazed. Hope it happens soon.
ZvZ definitely isn't close to being the best match-up for casuals like you. I would wait for the finals. However, if you're not impressed by mutalisk micro in brood war (compared to its total absence in sc2), I think you're a lost case anyway
Even in a Brood War tournament, BW fans still find the space to bash SC2. How nice.
could have phrased it better.
Tell me, how would you phrase "Brood War's Mutalisk micromanagement is vastly superior to SC2's, which has none, and if you don't like it, you are a lost cause" better, to make it not bash SC2?
BW's mutalisk micromanagement is more challenging than SC2s(due to the mechanics of the game) and can be a bit daunting to newcomers to the game coming from SC2.
Okay, I should let this drop, but this doesn't convey the meaning of what he said. He said SC2 had NO Mutalisk micromanagement whatsoever, and 'you are a lost cause' is not equal to 'daunting to newcomers'. He is literally telling newcomers who may find it un-impressive or daunting that they suck/are not worth his time/etc
I'm not trying to rephrase exactly what he said, I'm just saying the best way of saying it without insulting someone, not everyone here is a dick.
Sheesh, when do people stop bashing each other's games... Just watch both games and appreciate them for what they are.
It's no secret micro in BW is harder to pull off due to the overall mechanical capabilities needed to play on a proper level, thought we were done with that discussion a few years ago.
But there's absolutely no reason to get your jimmies rustled as SC2 player every time someone points that out, just accept it and move on, you're playing the game you prefer, you know stuff that's hard to pull off in SC2, people who play as well will appreciate that, it's just no use to make a fuss about it, it's like comparing apples with oranges.
Why is the +1 Carapace emphasised? Is it to neutralise the bounce effect? Wouldn't a +1 Attack be better since it affects all Mutalisk, rather than +1 Carapace which affects only the Mutalisk being attacked and 2 others?
On January 18 2016 20:40 EatingBomber wrote: Why is the +1 Carapace emphasised? Is it to neutralise the bounce effect? Wouldn't a +1 Attack be better since it affects all Mutalisk, rather than +1 Carapace which affects only the Mutalisk being attacked and 2 others?
It might make more sense to think about it as affecting (the attacks of) all of the enemy Mutalisks.
On January 18 2016 20:40 EatingBomber wrote: Why is the +1 Carapace emphasised? Is it to neutralise the bounce effect? Wouldn't a +1 Attack be better since it affects all Mutalisk, rather than +1 Carapace which affects only the Mutalisk being attacked and 2 others?
On January 18 2016 20:40 EatingBomber wrote: Why is the +1 Carapace emphasised? Is it to neutralise the bounce effect? Wouldn't a +1 Attack be better since it affects all Mutalisk, rather than +1 Carapace which affects only the Mutalisk being attacked and 2 others?
+1 carapace applies to each bounce. Each bounce does 1/3rd of the damage of the previous bounce, so in SC2 terms: 9, 3, 1 -> 8, 2, 0.5. +1 attack would be 10, 3.3333, 1.11111 which would then go to 9, 2.3333, 0.5, meaning +1 carapace increases your effective hitpoints by more than +1 damage would do to you.
On January 18 2016 20:10 Tiaraju9 wrote: As a SC2 player I'm still waiting to be amazed. Hope it happens soon.
ZvZ definitely isn't close to being the best match-up for casuals like you. I would wait for the finals. However, if you're not impressed by mutalisk micro in brood war (compared to its total absence in sc2), I think you're a lost case anyway
Even in a Brood War tournament, BW fans still find the space to bash SC2. How nice.
Nah, I responded to him with the same insolent tone that he conveyed in his post.
On January 18 2016 20:46 MapleLeafSirup wrote: Tastosis really brought a LOT of viewers to today's games. So glad to see > 40k viewers for a BW event. BW will never die.
well terror gets shit tons of korean viewers every time.
On January 18 2016 20:46 MapleLeafSirup wrote: Tastosis really brought a LOT of viewers to today's games. So glad to see > 40k viewers for a BW event. BW will never die.
tbf most of the Terror's viewers only come to see his antics.
On January 18 2016 20:10 Tiaraju9 wrote: As a SC2 player I'm still waiting to be amazed. Hope it happens soon.
ZvZ definitely isn't close to being the best match-up for casuals like you. I would wait for the finals. However, if you're not impressed by mutalisk micro in brood war (compared to its total absence in sc2), I think you're a lost case anyway
Even in a Brood War tournament, BW fans still find the space to bash SC2. How nice.
Nah, I responded to him with the same insolent tone that he conveyed in his post.
I have to concede that my post was not innocent. But its hard to appreciate the intricacies of the game without having played it.
On January 18 2016 20:40 EatingBomber wrote: Why is the +1 Carapace emphasised? Is it to neutralise the bounce effect? Wouldn't a +1 Attack be better since it affects all Mutalisk, rather than +1 Carapace which affects only the Mutalisk being attacked and 2 others?
It is indeed to reduce the damage of the bouncing glaive. And it is more effective than going +1 attack.
From Liquipedia
Upgrades are a difficult part of Zerg play. First off, in Mutalisk versus Mutalisk battles, Carapace is always the best upgrade to get. If you can afford it, three carapace upgrades before any attack upgrades is preferred. When a Mutalisk fires, its damage is divided by 3 every bounce. So the first hit would do 9 damage, then bounce to another target and do 3 damage to that target, bounce and do 1, etc.. When you upgrade attack, this becomes 10, 3.33, 1.11, essentially an increase of 1.44 damage; however, when fighting an opponent who instead upgraded carapace, each of those hits gets reduced by 1, meaning it would become 9, 2.33, 0.11. The carapace-upgrade Mutalisks are taking 1.56 less damage per attack. If you don't understand, upgrade carapace. Additionally, Scourge benefit from the carapace upgrade, allowing them to avoid dying from bounce damage while closing in. It should be mentioned that because damage is counted as either an integer or a half, the numbers won't work out exactly as mentioned above, but it was just to give an example.
Man, I was such a BW hard-out in 2011 after coming to it from SC2, and then I quit. I thought LOTV actually made the other game decent now, but even ZvZ is fucking sick compared to some SC2 shit.
If only my modem wasn't fucking shit here, otherwise I'd be all over iccup. Can't host :<<. And I'm too shit for Fish now.
On January 18 2016 20:10 Tiaraju9 wrote: As a SC2 player I'm still waiting to be amazed. Hope it happens soon.
ZvZ definitely isn't close to being the best match-up for casuals like you. I would wait for the finals. However, if you're not impressed by mutalisk micro in brood war (compared to its total absence in sc2), I think you're a lost case anyway
Even in a Brood War tournament, BW fans still find the space to bash SC2. How nice.
Nah, I responded to him with the same insolent tone that he conveyed in his post.
I have to concede that my post was not innocent. But its hard to appreciate the intricacies of the game without having played it.
now this is more like it! Yeah, it is impossible to see what's so special about muta micro without knowing the details. 2 blobs flying around and half the time they even fail to attack each other - big deal. To me the best thing about ZvZ is the tension, every move matters, every drone counts and there's always potential for sick micro based comebacks.
On January 18 2016 20:50 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: Man, I was such a BW hard-out in 2011 after coming to it from SC2, and then I quit. I thought LOTV actually made the other game decent now, but even ZvZ is fucking sick compared to some SC2 shit.
If only my modem wasn't fucking shit here, otherwise I'd be all over iccup. Can't host :<<. And I'm too shit for Fish now.
On January 18 2016 20:53 amazingxkcd wrote: Yooo, Big shoutout to the 40 viewers that tuned in for me and BD's cast. We love you guys <3
Yo! I chose the in-studio production over you guys, but I'll for sure listen to the cast later, you and BD have good banter I listen to while working. I'm hoping there's a rant on the disappointing status of NA CS:GO.
On January 18 2016 21:17 EatingBomber wrote: Where can I find videos of Bisu vs Last? Also, were there any TvZs and TvTs throughout the tournament?
If you want to start at the Round of 32, here. Round of 32 There's a lot of TvTs and TvZs played. I recommend the ones from Sharp for TvT (he doesn't play the orthodox way but he's fun to watch)
On January 18 2016 20:46 MapleLeafSirup wrote: Tastosis really brought a LOT of viewers to today's games. So glad to see > 40k viewers for a BW event. BW will never die.
tbf most of the Terror's viewers only come to see his antics.
I don't think this is true at all, at least not for this current tournament that he (and Britney) have been casting. I suppose it helps if you understand Korean (even at a basic level). He (and Britney, if he's also on board) give pretty good insight into the matches and the game in general (pretty much every Korean caster that I've seen/heard does). They've mostly been on point during casting, deviating here and there. It's only a bonus that they are also entertaining.
On January 18 2016 20:46 MapleLeafSirup wrote: Tastosis really brought a LOT of viewers to today's games. So glad to see > 40k viewers for a BW event. BW will never die.
tbf most of the Terror's viewers only come to see his antics.
I don't think this is true at all, at least not for this current tournament that he (and Britney) have been casting. I suppose it helps if you understand Korean (even at a basic level). He (and Britney, if he's also on board) give pretty good insight into the matches (pretty much every Korean caster that I've seen/heard does) and the game in general. They've mostly been on point during casting, deviating here and there. It's only a bonus that they are also entertaining.
yeah thought as much, its not his show so he'd show a lot of professionalism for it.
On January 18 2016 20:46 MapleLeafSirup wrote: Tastosis really brought a LOT of viewers to today's games. So glad to see > 40k viewers for a BW event. BW will never die.
tbf most of the Terror's viewers only come to see his antics.
I don't think this is true at all, at least not for this current tournament that he (and Britney) have been casting. I suppose it helps if you understand Korean (even at a basic level). He (and Britney, if he's also on board) give pretty good insight into the matches and the game in general (pretty much every Korean caster that I've seen/heard does). They've mostly been on point during casting, deviating here and there. It's only a bonus that they are also entertaining.
Even Afreeca staff expressed that they like his casts.
On January 18 2016 20:53 amazingxkcd wrote: Yooo, Big shoutout to the 40 viewers that tuned in for me and BD's cast. We love you guys <3
Yo! I chose the in-studio production over you guys, but I'll for sure listen to the cast later, you and BD have good banter I listen to while working. I'm hoping there's a rant on the disappointing status of NA CS:GO.
We get into it over lotion usage. Doesn't get classier then that.
On January 18 2016 20:46 MapleLeafSirup wrote: Tastosis really brought a LOT of viewers to today's games. So glad to see > 40k viewers for a BW event. BW will never die.
On January 18 2016 23:23 StarscreamG1 wrote: This is a beautiful time to be alive. I want BW to fill my heart 12h a day t_t Were the viewers numbers OK?
excellent numbers, more than any would expect, 8.5k for tasteless and artosis on twitch, and a combined 20K on Korean stream but however you can join me in watching this at the moment. http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/imcarry
On January 18 2016 20:46 MapleLeafSirup wrote: Tastosis really brought a LOT of viewers to today's games. So glad to see > 40k viewers for a BW event. BW will never die.
tbf most of the Terror's viewers only come to see his antics.
I don't think this is true at all, at least not for this current tournament that he (and Britney) have been casting. I suppose it helps if you understand Korean (even at a basic level). He (and Britney, if he's also on board) give pretty good insight into the matches and the game in general (pretty much every Korean caster that I've seen/heard does). They've mostly been on point during casting, deviating here and there. It's only a bonus that they are also entertaining.
Why Terror isn't featured here to be honest? I know he has been banned for a while on Afreeca but he is allowed now IIRC.
To the guys who have been regular fans here for a while and who still get worked up about
- Tastosis being "impure" or "bandwagoning or whatever else ridiculous i have read recently.
1) These guys have been around since the time when a majority of us didn't even finish the Campaign or know who NaDa is for Christ's sake. Tastosis were the pioneers and the "face" or Starcraft:Broodwar for a longer time than anyone else and they deserve nothing but huge credit for what they did in the past and for what they did today. 2) The Cast did Cater the Starcraft 2 Viewers: Yes! And rightfully so i might add. Can we put this into perspective? 8,5k viewers for an english SC:BW Cast is 8,2k more than other Casts achieve. Those viewers come from a background, where they have a very limited knowledge about professional BW and know a good deal more about SC2. It makes a lot of sense, to focus your Cast on them and explain the game from square 1. Me personally and some other veteran fans i have talked to didn't find they cast enlightening, but still very entertaining. And i didn't overhear any blatantly wrong statements, the Cast was still on point and also did point out some of the finer intricacies.
3) Exposure: multiple shoutout's to Teamliquid.net as the prime foreign Broodwar Community website and to ICCup.com as the server to play on. Even some guidance on the MCA Launcher. If that means nothing to you, i have to shake my head in disbelief. No SC:BW is not going to be the next big western Esport, Tastosis casting it won't change that. But in a world, where our premier foreign event has about 80 Users signed up from A to D rank (TLS Champs) and i log onto the server to see less than 300 users online, i have to wonder: do you actually want this game to die in silence, or do you want to see some new faces even if those don't share your background?? Well call me silly, but i prefer to see this game do well.
4)Our attitude is crucial. The kind of exposure today's and Saturday's stream give us, are a chance we can embrace or turn away. Tastosis gave the game the exposure to attract some new faces to this most glorious of all games, but it is our job to make them feel welcome and show them the beauty of this game, which is not entirely self explanatory. This is true for regular posters here and elsewhere, when you play games with beginners and take your time to guide them to helpful material or give them a tip or two. Again, im not delusional and i don't expect to see an influx of 500 new users just because of this one cast, but everybody counts. Show them, why we still love this 18 year old game.
5) Do you care for perhaps a full season of professional BW Casts like this? Then make damn well sure to show your support and quit this negative attitude.
that's all i gotta say, feel free to agree or disagree folks, im ineterested in your replies :>
€ to clarify, i don't mean or intend to attack anyone specifically here in this thread. It's just a general obervation of mine and it really bothers me, i feel we are not steering this in the right direction.
Actually did play Broodwar, was just never good at it. Probably barely functionally bad. My friends got me into Bw then immediately started playing WoW. Still kind of hate them for that. Would have been so much fun to have a bunch of real life sparing partners.
Unfortunately never knew of the pro scene until Sc2. So really nostalgic, to watch these games.
Tasteless and Artosis, really do seem more knowledgeable about BW than Sc2. Though wondering if that's just because there are so many more quirks that occur due to the engine. Where as Sc2 just runs, so smoothly.
As a viewer who typically watches SC2, what i'm about to say will probably be taken as heresy. Though if they were to ever update BW, I think it would be more pleasant to watch if they could somehow smooth out the animations.
Not saying they change anything about the AI or mechanics of how the units move, just adding more animations between the frames of whats already there. So the units simply Appear to move more fluidly. Maybe is impossible to do such a thing without affecting how the units behave, but it does feel like i'm watching at low FPS or something with how they were moving.
I'm more of a SC2 watcher but I do know of Brood War even though have never actually played it myself. My sister does watch Brood War and sometime show me legendary matches and kinda explain the thing through for me since I'm BW-retarded, but now with Tartosis casting the Bisu vs EffOrt finals, I'm really excited to see the English cast and having them explain stuff to me, also I think I will stay up to watch it live since Bisu is my favourite player <3 also a lot of Korean casters cast both Brood War AND SC2 so I'm not sure what's with all the drama.
On January 19 2016 05:42 NinjaToss wrote: I'm more of a SC2 watcher but I do know of Brood War even though have never actually played it myself. My sister does watch Brood War and sometime show me legendary matches and kinda explain the thing through for me since I'm BW-retarded, but now with Tartosis casting the Bisu vs EffOrt finals, I'm really excited to see the English cast and having them explain stuff to me, also I think I will stay up to watch it live since Bisu is my favourite player <3 also a lot of Korean casters cast both Brood War AND SC2 so I'm not sure what's with all the drama.
I've seen almost every major SC2 tournament since release. If anyone in chat mentions they came from SC2, I do my best to bridge the knowledge gap. Hopefully you can join in on my casts after tastosis returns to their day job and you can still learn
All the controversy aside, as someone who didn't watch much BW before, I thoroughly enjoyed the cast. Tastosis did a great job for me and I hope they do more!!!
I haven't watched BW for a while (with the exception of checking out some classic VODs occasionally). I gotta say, I didnt realize how badly I wanted to see a BW cast. Even though it was a ZvZ the games were still great and probably better than SC2 ZvZ to be honest (its the worst matchup in sc2).
I used to watch Klazart's youtube channel and was pretty sad when he stopped casting.
On January 19 2016 12:12 alexanderzero wrote: I haven't watched BW for a while (with the exception of checking out some classic VODs occasionally). I gotta say, I didnt realize how badly I wanted to see a BW cast. Even though it was a ZvZ the games were still great and probably better than SC2 ZvZ to be honest (its the worst matchup in sc2).
I used to watch Klazart's youtube channel and was pretty sad when he stopped casting.
I really enjoy ZvZ. But if you're like most people, you're gonna find Saturday's games are a lot more fun to watch.
Got a chance to catch the VOD. Tastosis were obviously enjoying casting SC:BW so much. And the SC2->SC:BW style in the cast was nice, as well. Even if you've seen a decent chunk of BW after SC2 came out (and brought you back into the world of professional eSports), full on professional English casting has been rare since SC2's launch. (Though apparently this was being all cast in English with decent quality, if I'm reading some of the Drama around Tasteless & Artosis casting is correct?)
I look forward to the final. One thing Tasteless & Artosis brought was sudden exposure to what was going on. That doesn't hurt. (Plus it's a chance to watch some high qualify Starcraft, and that's always fun.)
On January 19 2016 15:35 Taf the Ghost wrote: Got a chance to catch the VOD. Tastosis were obviously enjoying casting SC:BW so much. And the SC2->SC:BW style in the cast was nice, as well. Even if you've seen a decent chunk of BW after SC2 came out (and brought you back into the world of professional eSports), full on professional English casting has been rare since SC2's launch. (Though apparently this was being all cast in English with decent quality, if I'm reading some of the Drama around Tasteless & Artosis casting is correct?)
I look forward to the final. One thing Tasteless & Artosis brought was sudden exposure to what was going on. That doesn't hurt. (Plus it's a chance to watch some high qualify Starcraft, and that's always fun.)
you are correct, this community has taken some efforts to always provide casts for the big korean tours, in this instance by Bisudagger and xkcd. You can check the past broadcasts via the small vod 2.0 thread if your ineterested.
Tastosis did a fresh cast. They bring that christmas feeling, and it was like we are watching some new thing, not our old broodwar. With their cast BW feels more alive and im really hyped for the finals.
It's too bad it had to be a damn ZvZ which displays so little of what makes BW so entertaining. The finals should be great though. Hopefully everyone can spread the word.
Who would have thought in 2016, we'd be having live English broadcasters in Korea still casting both BW and SC2? I still remember 16 years ago my friend making fun of me for "still playing" StarCraft. I wonder what things will be like 18 years from now...
The passion is real! I had to watch it as a VOD, but I really enjoyed it. Artosis "Now I'm going the other way." That was a rather funny moment from Artosis- all the BW guys kept tripping up in casts when first transitioning to SC2, calling Spine Crawlers, Sunkens. Now after a few years, they're tripping up the other way. So hard to switch back and forth with similarly functioning units. Fun cast.
Really neat hearing that they've been begging to cast BW for some time.
On January 20 2016 07:01 Falling wrote: The passion is real! I had to watch it as a VOD, but I really enjoyed it. Artosis "Now I'm going the other way." That was a rather funny moment from Artosis- all the BW guys kept tripping up in casts when first transitioning to SC2, calling Spine Crawlers, Sunkens. Now after a few years, they're tripping up the other way. So hard to switch back and forth with similarly functioning units. Fun cast.
Really neat hearing that they've been begging to cast BW for some time.
well it's their "job" to be hyped about what they cast and transport the feeling they authentically relate to the game. They do something similar in all their casts- for all games. That makes them very good and successful casters too. But we simply have no way of knowing how much passion is in it. And if they were so eager to do BW as they said. I like to believe the same as you do, since i was a big Tastosis fan back in the day (TSL with both of them, Tasteless+SDM in Gom TV, Artosis doing the scforall vids in Korea, where he accompanied Ret to the courage tournament and interviewed idra). Ahhh so awesome times, i feel gratitude i had a part in it ^^
Well i go off topic, but the bottom line is more of a question then anything else: How sure can we be about the passion of professional casters? And does it matter? I guess i think not so sure and no it doesn't matter too much ^^
On January 20 2016 07:01 Falling wrote: The passion is real! I had to watch it as a VOD, but I really enjoyed it. Artosis "Now I'm going the other way." That was a rather funny moment from Artosis- all the BW guys kept tripping up in casts when first transitioning to SC2, calling Spine Crawlers, Sunkens. Now after a few years, they're tripping up the other way. So hard to switch back and forth with similarly functioning units. Fun cast.
Really neat hearing that they've been begging to cast BW for some time.
well it's their "job" to be hyped about what they cast and transport the feeling they authentically relate to the game. They do something similar in all their casts- for all games. That makes them very good and successful casters too. But we simply have no way of knowing how much passion is in it. And if they were so eager to do BW as they said. I like to believe the same as you do, since i was a big Tastosis fan back in the day (TSL with both of them, Tasteless+SDM in Gom TV, Artosis doing the scforall vids in Korea, where he accompanied Ret to the courage tournament and interviewed idra). Ahhh so awesome times, i feel gratitude i had a part in it ^^
Well i go off topic, but the bottom line is more of a question then anything else: How sure can we be about the passion of professional casters? And does it matter? I guess i think not so sure and no it doesn't matter too much ^^
if koreans have lost their passion and completely ditched BW for newer games, just like foreigners and the rest of the world in general did, there wouldn't even be a BW tournament for them to cast (currently they never did during their free time anyway, like, i haven't hear news about them voluntarily offering their casting help for TLS? If im a skilled caster and still truly passionate for BW i would gladly offer my help to cast TLS as time permits even if the casting fee I receive is low or none. Tastosis casting TLS would bring in your lovely exposure to foreign BW too. But they won't , because no $$$. Thats what I mean about passion, doing it for the love and good of the game rather than just $$$).
anyway it was a fun cast and since you admit you are a fanboy too, i have no other words to say ^^
Enjoyed the cast so much. Even listened to them during breaks between games (and I was wathing VOD), which I never did before. Looking forward for more Tasotis.
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