I didnt agree with the options and the wording of the polls in yellowsmiles thread, and so I didnt participate. I expected the thread to get closed. Also, it was only a 24 hour period roughly which is not long enough in my opinion.
If polls are going to influence decision making to a large degree, then may I request that a tourney admin creates the polls for future map changes.
On July 28 2015 05:06 CardinalAllin wrote: I didnt agree with the options and the wording of the polls in yellowsmiles thread, and so I didnt participate. I expected the thread to get closed. Also, it was only a 24 hour period roughly which is not long enough in my opinion.
If polls are going to influence decision making to a large degree, then may I request that a tourney admin creates the polls for future map changes.
I understand your frustrations, but it isn't realistic to expect people to play on your maps, as amazing as they are, no one practices on them really.
On July 28 2015 05:06 CardinalAllin wrote: I didnt agree with the options and the wording of the polls in yellowsmiles thread, and so I didnt participate. I expected the thread to get closed. Also, it was only a 24 hour period roughly which is not long enough in my opinion.
If polls are going to influence decision making to a large degree, then may I request that a tourney admin creates the polls for future map changes.
we only made this change because it was a map that most are familiar with and a decent replacement to PA, but, we'll be taking a closer look at other maps, including the ones you posted (Eddy looks amazing to me lol) for future TLC
edit: also, keep in mind that TLC is weekly and it's already Monday. A couple more days and the next one starts so we have to decide within a day or two to give players a chance to practice the map and such.
On July 28 2015 05:06 CardinalAllin wrote: I didnt agree with the options and the wording of the polls in yellowsmiles thread, and so I didnt participate. I expected the thread to get closed. Also, it was only a 24 hour period roughly which is not long enough in my opinion.
If polls are going to influence decision making to a large degree, then may I request that a tourney admin creates the polls for future map changes.
Your maps have been apart of the conversation. Please be patient with us and cheer on the players! :D
CardinalAllins map thread is awesome for viewers who looking for a new stuff. Yeah, I agree that it looks wild to change all maps instantly to those but admins can replace a map for next season to one of the new maps, and so on every week. This will give players time to prepare slowly. And if that map sucks they can change it next week (season) again. I mean, why not to test it?
If you ask me, my favorite map from poll is Toad Stone and replacing it to FS sounds creative and exciting. Eddy looks great, but I don't like buff that has given to mutas to harass natural because you can't put turret behind mineral line. Hell, we already got a ton of zerg foreigners, so I vote against that map.
Changes: - Replaced Paranoid Android with Destination
Fuck, I fell off my chair. So, you replaced a map where terran wins 70% of the time with a map where the terran wins 99% of the time.
GW! I wonder how do you come up with such ideas, ever thought of playing starcraft?
Ever thought of asking a few -good- players about the maps?
1st poll: should scan be allowed to play - strange overwhelming yes., contrary to comments in threads. 2nd poll: destination? - strange similar percentage results of poll, contrary to usuall opinions about the map.
Changes: - Replaced Paranoid Android with Destination
Fuck, I fell off my chair. So, you replaced a map where terran wins 70% of the time with a map where the terran wins 99% of the time.
GW! I wonder how do you come up with such ideas, ever thought of playing starcraft?
Ever thought of asking a few -good- players about the maps?
1st poll: should scan be allowed to play - strange overwhelming yes., contrary to comments in threads. 2nd poll: destination? - strange similar percentage results of poll, contrary to usuall opinions about the map.
There are like 50 milion maps that are more balanced than Destination. Having a choice between PA and Desti, I'd take PA blind.
List your 5 maps for this tournament if you could pick them. I'm just curious what they would be.
Anything other than Desti, and please don't it be Longinus or Paradoxx. I play like motw maps all the time on icc. On destination it's impossible to win zvt, most terrans know it, same with Longinus - that's why you see those maps picked by players who normally lose to better opponents.
If there were islands on icc, I'd play islands even, but I would never play on Desti or Longinus. Very bad maps, it's like common knowledge if you play starcraft... However if you don't, I understand you might be surprised.
On Desti you either win zvt straight away, or you lose later 100% of the time, due to the map's design. That kind of map, cheers.
On July 28 2015 07:57 13Julia wrote: There are like 50 milion maps that are more balanced than Destination. Having a choice between PA and Desti, I'd take PA blind.
List your 5 maps for this tournament if you could pick them. I'm just curious what they would be.
Anything other than Desti, and please don't it be Longinus or Paradoxx. I play like motw maps all the time on icc. On destination it's impossible to win zvt, most terrans know it, same with Longinus - that's why you see those maps picked by players who normally lose to better opponents.
If there were islands on icc, I'd play islands even, but I would never play on Desti or Longinus. Very bad maps, it's like common knowledge if you play starcraft... However if you don't, I understand you might be surprised.
On Desti you either win zvt straight away, or you lose later 100% of the time, due to the map's design. That kind of map, cheers.
Okay. Well look at it this way. We listened to the feedback on PA and switched the map to Destination after just one cup being played. You can sure as hell take that as an indicator that we are 1. listening 2. willing to make changes. It is unfortunate for you and anyone else who shares your opinion in this weekends map pool. However this is what was picked for this week and we will reconvene after this next cup like we did this past Sunday and make adjustments where necessary.
Julia, on a personal note. I love that you are vocal and share your opinion.Please continue to do so while keeping in my we really do care. :D
Yeah 2pacalypse, I really worked hard by adding some unexisted map into liquipedia (1st time using it) which is being used now in iCCup map pack and I get my thread closed for dumb reason. I won't contribute anything from this time because TL admins keep closing not old threads which is pointless for viewers but hard worked ones.
And this is BM for BWMN map community (which I'm member too, even though I didn't make a single map). Continue to kill BW stuff.
Outscar, we appreciate you trying to contribute in order to help TLC become a success, we really do, but, the problem with that thread is that you had like 30+ maps in the OP and then you had a large poll of 73 choices for maps. That's way way way too excessive. You lose the readers and with the poll, heck, even 10 choices is a bit much. I realize that you were trying to be very inclusive, but, I think that was the main problem with your thread plus we had that other map thread so it was redundant to have two of them and split the discussion.
I think your thread would've worked best if you just made a list of maps (names only, no pictures and with link to TLPD) then tried to argue which could be good options to include (stats etc...) and asked to see community feedback. This would've been best done before yellowsmile's thread though so a bit too late now, but, thanks for your effort!
BigFan, still it's not explanation for closing my thread within 1 min. before anything like you said happened. I don't understand why everytime admins act like they see the future. Hell, I posted pictures&links because even 2pacalypse said he havent heard many of the maps in Cardinal's thread. I wanted to introduce those which made their way into pack. So, who's problem that we got 50 ladder maps in iCCup and 20+ non-ladder maps? Isn't iCCup is the place where all foreigners train? How can you choose only 10 maps blindly when we got so many? That poll should've helped to know which maps are popular, and we could've sorted top 10/20 of them to discuss properly. GL then with playing FS non-stop.
And including stats isn't problem, I can add TLPD link for all of them. But now I'm screwed. I think I must fear over 9000 times admins before contributing.
Changes: - Replaced Paranoid Android with Destination
Fuck, I fell off my chair. So, you replaced a map where terran wins 70% of the time with a map where the terran wins 99% of the time.
GW! I wonder how do you come up with such ideas, ever thought of playing starcraft?
Ever thought of asking a few -good- players about the maps?
1st poll: should scan be allowed to play - strange overwhelming yes., contrary to comments in threads. 2nd poll: destination? - strange similar percentage results of poll, contrary to usuall opinions about the map.
On July 28 2015 10:22 outscar wrote: BigFan, still it's not explanation for closing my thread within 1 min. before anything like you said happened. I don't understand why everytime admins act like they see the future. Hell, I posted pictures&links because even 2pacalypse said he havent heard many of the maps in Cardinal's thread. I wanted to introduce those which made their way into pack. So, who's problem that we got 50 ladder maps in iCCup and 20+ non-ladder maps? How can you choose only 10 maps blindly? That poll should've helped to know which maps are popular, and we could've sorted top 10/20 of them to discuss properly. GL then with playing FS non-stop.
Outscar, I understand what you're saying. You put a lot of time and effort into the thread and felt it should've stayed opened longer or not closed in the first place. The problem is that the community is smaller than it used to be and with a poll of 71 options, we can easily get votes spread out. In other words, we can easily get each person voting for a different map and end up with a 1-1-1-1 etc... tie which doesn't say much.
Even if that wasn't the case, let's say we get one map getting 5 votes, the rest get anywhere between 4 votes to 0 votes, that doesn't tell us much either. If you look at the poll yellowsmile created, destination won the majority from the available map options despite the fact that he only include 4 map options in the whole poll. If you had ~7 maps to vote on (you make the decision based on stats, if they are unique like Outsider etc...) then the results are more useful for us. You can also ask for more feedback from the community and get a discussion going.
If you're still interested, I highly advise you to post in the map discussion thread because we are reading every post in there. As long as the post is concise and contains good information, you'll also get a good discussion going.
How is it 99% TvZ? Which Terrans other than scan will give you a hard time anyway? lol...
Edit: And about the maps... Seriously you can just go with STL/SBWI choice maps and MAYBE one 'new' map rarely ONLY if you will introduce it in the main event tournament. People will NOT practice those maps just because a random foreigner made them. They are NOT tested past the C rank, and they do not look balanced.
The biggest problem right now is trying to bring more players above B rank into these tournaments so they are not a snooze fest, adding too many elements like random maps nobody heard of is a complete deterrent.
My, my, my. Julia is not pleased, not pleased at all. What a surprise. Destination is a classic bw map, awarded best map in 08-09. Map choice is a no-win scenario for tournament organizers in bw. Include any map other than Fighting Spirit and you will get complaints about maps being too weird/ imbalanced. Include Fighting Spirit and you will get complaints from all the people tired of Fighting Spirit. No matter what an bw tourney organizer includes, they will get flak from certain quarters. At some point the maps of the tournament are just part of the landscape to be taken into account for a strategy game. It is entirely impossible to include everyone's favourite map or exclude everyone's most hated map. It's not like Destination is some wonky map, played for half a season and then dropped, nor is it a crazy new map that no-one has played before.
1st poll: should scan be allowed to play - strange overwhelming yes., contrary to comments in threads. 2nd poll: destination? - strange similar percentage results of poll, contrary to usuall opinions about the map.
What exactly are you implying? What is strange about the percentages?
edit. And dRaw has it right about foreign made maps. Short of the map-making community getting together and throwing their own tournament, I really don't think a bw tourney would ever have more than one community made map per tournament. Even low level tourneys (D ranks) need some sort of familiarity with the map pool, and it's simply easier to practice with established maps- with maybe one completely new one.
Well, some user made these polls not Teamliquid, but I agree, the public polls aren't a thing to base opinions on.
Aside from that, please do continue to work on maps on Liquipedia. Liquipedia and these forums are usually rather independent from each other and I'd be a pitty to lose a good editor, only because you dislike the moderators.
Which Terrans other than scan will give you a hard time anyway? lol...
On Desti? You can start with any terran above d+ -_-
This map is among the most imbalanced maps ever created. Having a choice between Desti and Island maps, I'd still take islands. It's a badly designed map. I don't think you play either of the races discussed?
Tank range covers every exp from the previous exp on Desti. You can place tanks on higher ground in your main to cover your 3rd, which is behind a narrow ramp, making it effectively impossible to take out. From your natural, tanks can reach to two other exps and terrans frequently abuse that. Also when attacking, terrans do not need to enter your bases, they don't need to go down the ramps, they siege - take out exps, and the hard part of beating the bridges is a non-issue for the terran. Effectively the terran can go 5 bases without leaving his main(!), making the zerg play from the start a do-or-die strategy, since the terran will max out and take advantage of getting free kills from abusing tank placement. In the end the mineral advantage will be to terran favour, since you can't exchange units effectively vs that. The game may go on for an hour, but the zerg will lose. Due to the maps vertical narrow design, it is impossible to drop or harass the terran, which gives only one option - engage the terran head on, while you enter an exp, with your, let's be honest - mostly short range units, you get fired upon by tanks from the other exp that is close - but to get there you need to move through ramps and de-mine the ground under tank fire from a secure spot, so the mineral exchange is again so bad that you just lose the game. That's the reality of playing Destination on a normal level.
People will NOT practice those maps just because a random foreigner made them. They are NOT tested past the C rank, and they do not look balanced.
Maps made by the community map makers are far more balanced than korean maps which you think are balanced. These maps are simply well designed, well thought maps.
I don't see why high level players would have problems playing these maps.
I'd like to remind, as an important argument - some maps in korean leagues were made to support bad racial distributions, for example, if terrans or protoss fared badly because of Jaedong or Savior, the koreans added island maps and other creative developements, so you could watch poorer players win during the domination-era of one gamer.
I don't think you need a terran favourd map now. Or are islands in fact coming?
in TLPD kor the Win ratio is 52% for terrans on the map Destination. That is not too bad i think. Also enough games were played, so we can rule out that the samplesize is too small. In TLPD international Destination also has a good record for zergs, Terran won only 48% or so, again enough games to make it not about the slkill of individual players.
How do you explain those stats, if you say Destination is such an autoloss zvt?
lol @ julia moaning about tvz imbalance, it's the most balanced matchup on that map. I don't see you complaining about the 57% zvp winrate. TvZ: 150-137 (52.3%) ZvP: 170-128 (57%) PvT: 181-151 (54.5%)
I've played Destination probably more times than 99% of you. It's a good map and very balanced imo. In Brood War, generally there is a cycle of slight imbalance where Z>P>T>Z. Some maps skew the slight imbalance into a larger imbalance but this isn't one of them.
On July 31 2015 11:30 13Julia wrote: Every terran wants to play either on Desti or Longinus. Doesn't take a lot of thinking to figure out why.
Go watch some ZvT vods of Jaedong or other top Zergs Pre-SC2 when Destination was played a ton and learn how to properly play the match up on Destination instead of whining about it. Protoss has to learn how to wall and approach PvZ differently on nearly every map. I don't want to hear you complain about learning how to approach a different map ZvT.
Personally, I think it's pretty easy to play ZvT desti with all the ramps. As long as you position sunks right (or get lurkers quickly) you'll survive any early bio aggression (this is the most dangerous part of the game on Destination). After that, Lurkers can hold the natural and third ramps easy as hell and Mutas wreck bio on the ramps as well. Even the naturals and open main base layout are setup for Mutas to wreck face. Play it right and survive early aggression and getting to hive/defiler tech should be a breeze.
On July 31 2015 10:18 G5 wrote: I've played Destination probably more times than 99% of you. It's a good map and very balanced imo. In Brood War, generally there is a cycle of slight imbalance where Z>P>T>Z. Some maps skew the slight imbalance into a larger imbalance but this isn't one of them.
G5 just likes Destination because he bulldogged on it and beat Boxer.
I agree with Julia - on destitnation is much easier for terran vs zerg than on Paranoid Android or many others maps. Especially when terran likes to camp. From my experience there ar only two maps where i could win with better players, only because of the map. TvZ like i said Destination, and TvP on Bloody Ridge. Maps of the campers
Go watch some ZvT vods of Jaedong or other top Zergs Pre-SC2 when Destination was played a ton and learn how to properly play the match up on Destination instead of whining about it. Protoss has to learn how to wall and approach PvZ differently on nearly every map. I don't want to hear you complain about learning how to approach a different map ZvT.
Personally, I think it's pretty easy to play ZvT desti with all the ramps. As long as you position sunks right (or get lurkers quickly) you'll survive any early bio aggression (this is the most dangerous part of the game on Destination). After that, Lurkers can hold the natural and third ramps easy as hell and Mutas wreck bio on the ramps as well. Even the naturals and open main base layout are setup for Mutas to wreck face. Play it right and survive early aggression and getting to hive/defiler tech should be a breeze.
I bet a dominant Jaedong vs lame terrans is the best benchmark for balance. Especially when he needs to execute a 2 base muta all-in vs standard terran just to survive on that map. Take Flash and Desti, and suddenl;y the balance turns again. They are not a good benchmark. There were players who lost pvz on Paradoxx in proleague, does that mean it's balanced? No, It just means they should never play starcraft again.
Personally you may think whatever you want about zvt, but as I see it, you just don't play the game or zvt. Theory vs practice, practice always wins vs "I think cows can fly". You think about it, I play it.
Sorry man, but you just don't understand what you talk about here, unless you are willing to put it into practice, it's pointless for me to even discuss it. If they really want to, they can put Longinus into the map pool too, I just tried to point out the obvious that most players from d+ level on icc know - these two are maps of choice for terrans. For a good reason.
tourney should be split in 2. amateurs and semipro. otherwise is not fair to those who can't practice much.
to be a great starcrafter these days you have to have income for food and rent and divorce and forget about your children...
maps. i would agree with this dodger julia in something but i also don't see Jade. or Byzanthium. colosseum. heartbreak ridge or any new maps?
who ever shows the statiatic.. don't compare progamer statistic. of the map. fs is not so balanced as you think.. same as destination. Julia. why not island maps? would be fun some times.
Imho. maps should be changed every week. all of them so we go through all past and present legendary maps.
To casting crew: i can cast too. let me know if i can join.
i think who ever wins this tourney like 2 times in row. should give half of prize money to 4th and 5th finalists. so his prize is not more than who ever finish 2nd.. because we all know scan is hard player. this way i could call firebathero and he would win 2000 pounds.
Don't even try to complain about maps because admins are listening neither mapmakers, fans nor players. They don't even want to test new foreign mapmaker's maps regardless the fact that listed maps made their way into iCCup map pack. They just showing stats of korean maps when they stated early that the tourney was organized to strengthen the activity and support of the foreign BW scene, not considering that KeSPA scene is gone and percentage of winrate on those maps can be applied accurately only for ex korean pros. In general they follow rules of KeSPA/SoSPA scene by adapting only korean approved maps and not helping foreign scene to make a step with his own unique maps.
If you try to make a poll you will get yourself shut down, because only admins can decide what to do, what to change, arrange not the crowd, not even sponsor. I think 3-4 admins are taking too much responsibility for themselves, too much actions by not accepting other people's thoughts and denying any further discussion by locking threads. In total, there will be OK tourneys, but no way foreign scene is gaining any benefit after these type of unavailing arrangement of events.
Well you guys are starting to get out of line. As many of you were right to complain against admin's decision to let Scan play none of you have any right what-so-ever to push for any other changes. If the TL crew feels that certain maps are suited for this tournament or even if they are trying to promote some maps you dont like for that matter (as long as the maps are relatively balanced) you should shut up and play the bloody maps. Its one thing to ask/listen the crowd for one semipro korean player's participating and another to start putting every map somebody makes/likes in the map poll. The statement that the foreign scene won't gain any benefit unless certain foreign maps are played made me laught. Seriously.. foreign scene have survived on korean maps so far and they are actually the most widely played maps.
And to actually get on topic: The map poll is not an issue at all. Its the player poll we have to work on and the history showed us it does not depend on the maps played since most ppl are usually practicing on the same maps (also I believe everyone remembers the Lost Temle's ages when this + the other few WCG maps were the only maps played and there was absolutely no problem with the player's poll). Now I'm not saying new maps are a bad thing. Its healthy and good for the comunity but its not so critical for this tournament. Hence whatever maps the admin's are choosing will not hurt the even in any way (unless ofc we're playing the same maps for the entire tournament which I doubt will be the case).
One map was already replaced based on community feedback (poll). Changing more than one from week to week is a bad idea, just tells the players they shouldn't even bother putting much thought into maps.
On August 01 2015 19:13 outscar wrote: Don't even try to complain about maps because admins are listening neither mapmakers, fans nor players. They don't even want to test new foreign mapmaker's maps regardless the fact that listed maps made their way into iCCup map pack. They just showing stats of korean maps when they stated early that the tourney was organized to strengthen the activity and support of the foreign BW scene, not considering that KeSPA scene is gone and percentage of winrate on those maps can be applied accurately only for ex korean pros. In general they follow rules of KeSPA/SoSPA scene by adapting only korean approved maps and not helping foreign scene to make a step with his own unique maps.
If you try to make a poll you will get yourself shut down, because only admins can decide what to do, what to change, arrange not the crowd, not even sponsor. I think 3-4 admins are taking too much responsibility for themselves, too much actions by not accepting other people's thoughts and denying any further discussion by locking threads. In total, there will be OK tourneys, but no way foreign scene is gaining any benefit after these type of unavailing arrangement of events.
On August 01 2015 19:13 outscar wrote: Don't even try to complain about maps because admins are listening neither mapmakers, fans nor players. They don't even want to test new foreign mapmaker's maps regardless the fact that listed maps made their way into iCCup map pack. They just showing stats of korean maps when they stated early that the tourney was organized to strengthen the activity and support of the foreign BW scene, not considering that KeSPA scene is gone and percentage of winrate on those maps can be applied accurately only for ex korean pros. In general they follow rules of KeSPA/SoSPA scene by adapting only korean approved maps and not helping foreign scene to make a step with his own unique maps.
If you try to make a poll you will get yourself shut down, because only admins can decide what to do, what to change, arrange not the crowd, not even sponsor. I think 3-4 admins are taking too much responsibility for themselves, too much actions by not accepting other people's thoughts and denying any further discussion by locking threads. In total, there will be OK tourneys, but no way foreign scene is gaining any benefit after these type of unavailing arrangement of events.
You... What..??
2pac closed a thread that he made regarding maps since it was a bit redundant (had another thread already open) and the OP wasn't the best organized so he's been mad since then despite my best to explain to him why it was closed.
On August 01 2015 19:13 outscar wrote: Don't even try to complain about maps because admins are listening neither mapmakers, fans nor players. They don't even want to test new foreign mapmaker's maps regardless the fact that listed maps made their way into iCCup map pack. They just showing stats of korean maps when they stated early that the tourney was organized to strengthen the activity and support of the foreign BW scene, not considering that KeSPA scene is gone and percentage of winrate on those maps can be applied accurately only for ex korean pros. In general they follow rules of KeSPA/SoSPA scene by adapting only korean approved maps and not helping foreign scene to make a step with his own unique maps.
If you try to make a poll you will get yourself shut down, because only admins can decide what to do, what to change, arrange not the crowd, not even sponsor. I think 3-4 admins are taking too much responsibility for themselves, too much actions by not accepting other people's thoughts and denying any further discussion by locking threads. In total, there will be OK tourneys, but no way foreign scene is gaining any benefit after these type of unavailing arrangement of events.
You... What..??
2pac closed a thread that he made regarding maps since it was a bit redundant (had another thread already open) and the OP wasn't the best organized so he's been mad since then despite my best to explain to him why it was closed.
I see. All the anger, blame and self-righteousness seems a bit rich if it really is based on the fact that this new, sustained series of weekly tournaments organised by staff at a great deal of time and effort, and generously sponsored by someone who clearly loves the game, doesn't use the "right" maps.
On August 01 2015 19:13 outscar wrote: Don't even try to complain about maps because admins are listening neither mapmakers, fans nor players. They don't even want to test new foreign mapmaker's maps regardless the fact that listed maps made their way into iCCup map pack. They just showing stats of korean maps when they stated early that the tourney was organized to strengthen the activity and support of the foreign BW scene, not considering that KeSPA scene is gone and percentage of winrate on those maps can be applied accurately only for ex korean pros. In general they follow rules of KeSPA/SoSPA scene by adapting only korean approved maps and not helping foreign scene to make a step with his own unique maps.
If you try to make a poll you will get yourself shut down, because only admins can decide what to do, what to change, arrange not the crowd, not even sponsor. I think 3-4 admins are taking too much responsibility for themselves, too much actions by not accepting other people's thoughts and denying any further discussion by locking threads. In total, there will be OK tourneys, but no way foreign scene is gaining any benefit after these type of unavailing arrangement of events.
You... What..??
2pac closed a thread that he made regarding maps since it was a bit redundant (had another thread already open) and the OP wasn't the best organized so he's been mad since then despite my best to explain to him why it was closed.
I see. All the anger, blame and self-righteousness seems a bit rich if it really is based on the fact that this new, sustained series of weekly tournaments organised by staff at a great deal of time and effort, and generously sponsored by someone who clearly loves the game, doesn't use the "right" maps.
That build is almost as standard as forge fe in PvZ.
I hope people stop crying Scan is too good and start working on their flaws. Dandy came really close and Trutacz just killed himself, 3 times in a row. lol. It made me think of Killer's first Bo3 vs Boxer. + Show Spoiler +
wow what happened today? you guys mixed game 2 with game 3 and we got hardcore spoiled. Not to mention that you cant open the chat without seeing the winner of the match making comments when his game is being casted, we already know that scan is going to win but come on... if im watching a cast and one of the players is typing in a good mood in the chat by default i know the winner. Can we make something about spoilers in the next one? i mean, it's not possible for me to watch the cast while chatting and not being spoiled? And if that is the case tell me so i dont open the chat again. i hold nothing against anybody but please no spoilers. it ruins all my little fun
On August 02 2015 07:14 sas.ZaRaki wrote: wow what happened today? you guys mixed game 2 with game 3 and we got hardcore spoiled. Not to mention that you cant open the chat without seeing the winner of the match making comments when his game is being casted, we already know that scan is going to win but come on... if im watching a cast and one of the players is typing in a good mood in the chat by default i know the winner. Can we make something about spoilers in next one? i mean is not possible for me to watch the cast while chatting and not being spoiled? And if that is the case tell me so i dont open the chat again. i hold nothing against anybody but please no spoilers. it ruins all my little fun
On August 02 2015 07:14 sas.ZaRaki wrote: wow what happened today? you guys mixed game 2 with game 3 and we got hardcore spoiled. Not to mention that you cant open the chat without seeing the winner of the match making comments when his game is being casted, we already know that scan is going to win but come on... if im watching a cast and one of the players is typing in a good mood in the chat by default i know the winner. Can we make something about spoilers in next one? i mean is not possible for me to watch the cast while chatting and not being spoiled? And if that is the case tell me so i dont open the chat again. i hold nothing against anybody but please no spoilers. it ruins all my little fun
Who spoiled the results?
2pac are you trolling me? I already said what happened in my last post. 1- The replays got mixed and trutacz and scan were talking about the past game in chat game, so I already knew how the next game was going to be. 2- When a player in this case Scan, i dont know if hes the only one who did it, i don't know because i just opened the chat for the finals(my mistake?) keeps talking in chat meanwhile his games are being casted its obvious what is going to happen, if you are doing PogChamps and Kappa faces.
Its just my opinion. Maybe is just me and im a little picky? i dont know if this only bothers me, if so i will just not open the chat although that makes it less fun. and for the replay incident well shit happens even to the best casters and organizers.
I second what Zaraki posted. I was surprised when you guys decided to cast the third place match live before the ro8 games have been even casted. That was a major spoiler, because we already got to know the losers of the semi-finals thus the winners from the quarter-finals as well. The only thing we didn't know presumably were the finalists, but the bracket makes it somewhat easy to spoil that for yourself too, though that at least can be controlled. On the other note i do understand that if Sayle and Elegant had to cast the whole thing from ro8 up to the finals it wouldve made a bigger and more tiring cast for them since the games they casted before that happened to be really long.
On August 02 2015 07:14 sas.ZaRaki wrote: wow what happened today? you guys mixed game 2 with game 3 and we got hardcore spoiled. Not to mention that you cant open the chat without seeing the winner of the match making comments when his game is being casted, we already know that scan is going to win but come on... if im watching a cast and one of the players is typing in a good mood in the chat by default i know the winner. Can we make something about spoilers in next one? i mean is not possible for me to watch the cast while chatting and not being spoiled? And if that is the case tell me so i dont open the chat again. i hold nothing against anybody but please no spoilers. it ruins all my little fun
Who spoiled the results?
2pac are you trolling me? I already said what happened in my last post. 1- The replays got mixed and trutacz and scan were talking about the past game in chat game, so I already knew how the next game was going to be. 2- When a player in this case Scan, i dont know if hes the only one who did it, i don't know because i just opened the chat for the finals(my mistake?) keeps talking in chat meanwhile his games are being casted its obvious what is going to happen, if you are doing PogChamps and Kappa faces.
Its just my opinion. Maybe is just me and im a little picky? i dont know if this only bothers me, if so i will just not open the chat although that makes it less fun. and for the replay incident well shit happens even to the best casters and organizers.
Oh, you're right; replays got mixed up.
I'll have a talk with the players next time during the cast not to talk while their game is being casted.
On August 02 2015 07:37 BulgarianToss wrote: I second what Zaraki posted. I was surprised when you guys decided to cast the third place match live before the ro8 games have been even casted. That was a major spoiler, because we already got to know the losers of the semi-finals thus the winners from the quarter-finals as well. The only thing we didn't know presumably were the finalists, but the bracket makes it somewhat easy to spoil that for yourself too, though that at least can be controlled. On the other note i do understand that if Sayle and Elegant had to cast the whole thing from ro8 up to the finals it wouldve made a bigger and more tiring cast for them since the games they casted before that happened to be really long.
We can't possibly cast all of the games from Ro8...
The cast starts only an hour (more like 40 minutes) after the tournament starts, so it's quite hard to organize the cast in an ideal way since some games take longer than others. And after that monster game of dsaqwe that took more than an hour, we were short on time to cast anything other than 3rd place match and finals.
Yeah, the final bo5 (Trutacz vs Scan) replays did get mixed it up and their in game chat spoiled it... Not the fault of the players. I like that of foreigners tourneys, that players are allowed to chat in game. Production crew just fucked up, too bad. As long as it doesn't happen too often and not within TLS we're good.
Btw, just use LR instead of Twitch chat to decrease chance of getting spoilered or neither to be super safe.
We can't possibly cast all of the games from Ro8...
The cast starts only an hour (more like 40 minutes) after the tournament starts, so it's quite hard to organize the cast in an ideal way since some games take longer than others. And after that monster game of dsaqwe that took more than an hour, we were short on time to cast anything other than 3rd place match and finals.
Yeah, that's what i thought, alright then. I am probably still used to the old casts of the TLS qualifiers and now the atmosphere feels the same with Elegant and Sayle back in action. Anyway i enjoyed the cast, gg's.
On August 02 2015 07:14 sas.ZaRaki wrote: wow what happened today? you guys mixed game 2 with game 3 and we got hardcore spoiled. Not to mention that you cant open the chat without seeing the winner of the match making comments when his game is being casted, we already know that scan is going to win but come on... if im watching a cast and one of the players is typing in a good mood in the chat by default i know the winner. Can we make something about spoilers in next one? i mean is not possible for me to watch the cast while chatting and not being spoiled? And if that is the case tell me so i dont open the chat again. i hold nothing against anybody but please no spoilers. it ruins all my little fun
Who spoiled the results?
2pac are you trolling me? I already said what happened in my last post. 1- The replays got mixed and trutacz and scan were talking about the past game in chat game, so I already knew how the next game was going to be. 2- When a player in this case Scan, i dont know if hes the only one who did it, i don't know because i just opened the chat for the finals(my mistake?) keeps talking in chat meanwhile his games are being casted its obvious what is going to happen, if you are doing PogChamps and Kappa faces.
Its just my opinion. Maybe is just me and im a little picky? i dont know if this only bothers me, if so i will just not open the chat although that makes it less fun. and for the replay incident well shit happens even to the best casters and organizers.
Oh, you're right; replays got mixed up.
I'll have a talk with the players next time during the cast not to talk while their game is being casted.
That would seal the deal. Thank you so much i really appreciate it. On a good note what a great game btw funny and dsaqwe i enjoyed it a lot. Sayle and Elegant never fail to bring a really fun and epic cast. Bw fighting
plz get the TL replay system fixed so that admins can get the replays from the players uploaded, instead of asking players to send over. in that way, admins can have a wider choice to check the replays quality for casters before casting the final/semi final and more organized.
On August 02 2015 10:26 yellowsmile wrote: plz get the TL replay system fixed so that admins can get the replays from the players uploaded, instead of asking players to send over. in that way, admins can have a wider choice to check the replays quality for casters before casting the final/semi final and more organized.
This is actually fixed, but uploading replays was not mandatory to report your win apparently in the new TL tournament system, so bunch of people just didn't bother uploading their replays. We'll try to get it to be mandatory for next one so we get all the replays.
May we have Julia banned for a single tournament? ^^
I guess that would happen at instant if I won vs scan. Don't worry, I don't play enough now to beat someone who doesn't have a life, your money is safe with scan.
Everybody who wants some epic badass long game should watch Dsaqwe vs. iwl-Funny game at Destination. I got from that game even more pleasure than Korean games. That 3-0 fast paced final was surprising and nowhere near exciting as last tour even if finalists were same.
And note for Julia: Stop being bm (Like you said in 1st TLC vs. Scan game: "Fuck TL staff for allowing this shit") because you are going to get yourself fully banned not only from TL events and also admins on iCCup are neither pleased with your tongue and stats (you played huge games vs. C rank to achieve olympic rank).
+ And now I really think that Julia should be banned from at least 1 tourney, because he called his terran opponent from Peru hacker that knows where are all undefended expansions and all moves, when I saw terran's vision and he scans everytime. He used to whine about lag, about imba maps, now he calls opponents that they hack? Get the fuck out.
EPT
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