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LOL that video is actually hillarious;
Scan' s position is unique within this community. You had that somewhat with Pro7ect , but no one ever made a fuss about that; People are arguing and getting angry because Scan is very good player and has high chances of winning these tournaments. If he where not so good this would not be an issue. And this is just the point of the iceberg, the issue has been on since longer than this thread.
The reasons to take into account his legitimacy must be made from an Objective point of view. Skill has nothing to do with that. Place of birth, Knowledge of western culture, and where his actually lived during his life are much more better indicator of weather you would consider him foreigner or not.
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Poll: Scan is:Estonian (11) 79% Gecko's smurf (3) 21% 14 total votes Your vote: Scan is: (Vote): Estonian
(Vote): Gecko's smurf
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On July 24 2015 05:30 sas.ZaRaki wrote:This was amazing dude, i really loved it, laughed a lot till tears, thank you lol How did you know about the risitas? spanish humor master xD
The Personification on Andalucia XD
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On July 24 2015 21:41 Stratos wrote:Poll: Scan is:Estonian (11) 79% Gecko's smurf (3) 21% 14 total votes Your vote: Scan is: (Vote): Estonian
(Vote): Gecko's smurf
gecko's smurf is from estonia.
On July 24 2015 03:57 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 02:49 BulgarianToss wrote:Guys I'm glad you liked it, now we have a more positive thread  And to think I tried to bribe everyone.
I still think you should.
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On July 24 2015 08:36 LaStScan wrote:
Zimp, this is why I barely have # of posts.
no no Scan, that's not what you should be saying, be careful! You're supposed to have made huge contribution to the foreign scene, remember?
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If Scan is allowed to play, doors should be open to all Koreans really, what sense does this make to call this a "Tournament for the Foreign BW Scene" when there is a over 90% chance that Scan will win every single Cup + The Championship and he isn't a foreigner? Scan doesn't even play at the Foreigner level, how many other foreigners do we have in this "BW Foreign Scene" that play at the same level of Scan? None.
I understand me saying this is not going to change anything, I just hope after Scan wins every single cup + the championship, we will all realize how pointless this was, and how little this is helping BW foreign scene's growth.
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god, you're like the internet explorer of this discussion. let's all repeat the same arguments and don't anticipate the upcoming tour tomorrow.
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On July 25 2015 05:45 GeckoXp wrote:
god, you're like the internet explorer of this discussion. let's all repeat the same arguments and don't anticipate the upcoming tour tomorrow.
I was just waiting for you to say something Gecko, it is starting to feel more and more like old times again with your banter.
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On July 25 2015 05:22 GGzerG wrote:
If Scan is allowed to play, doors should be open to all Koreans really, what sense does this make to call this a "Tournament for the Foreign BW Scene" when there is a over 90% chance that Scan will win every single Cup + The Championship and he isn't a foreigner? Scan doesn't even play at the Foreigner level, how many other foreigners do we have in this "BW Foreign Scene" that play at the same level of Scan? None.
I understand me saying this is not going to change anything, I just hope after Scan wins every single cup + the championship, we will all realize how pointless this was, and how little this is helping BW foreign scene's growth.
On July 23 2015 08:31 2Pacalypse- wrote:
Why is it so hard to understand that we want a tournament for the foreign BW scene. Scan is a part of the foreign BW scene and has been for years. End of discussion.
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On July 25 2015 06:21 2Pacalypse- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 05:22 GGzerG wrote:
If Scan is allowed to play, doors should be open to all Koreans really, what sense does this make to call this a "Tournament for the Foreign BW Scene" when there is a over 90% chance that Scan will win every single Cup + The Championship and he isn't a foreigner? Scan doesn't even play at the Foreigner level, how many other foreigners do we have in this "BW Foreign Scene" that play at the same level of Scan? None.
I understand me saying this is not going to change anything, I just hope after Scan wins every single cup + the championship, we will all realize how pointless this was, and how little this is helping BW foreign scene's growth. Show nested quote +On July 23 2015 08:31 2Pacalypse- wrote:
Why is it so hard to understand that we want a tournament for the foreign BW scene. Scan is a part of the foreign BW scene and has been for years. End of discussion.
Just to be clear. If you didn't allow Scan to play, there would be more people coming back and playing. I hope this isn't confusing by any means to you.
Also, if you are going to stand by this (which is fine imo), why not let other Korean and Chinese foreign contributors play? Sea would be a perfect example. He speaks good English, he has done a lot of things with the Foreign community, and was even on a foreign team called TeamLiquid previously.
With guys like that, at least you'll draw a crowd of people who want to play despite being raped because it's Sea. No one wants to play Scan because he's Scan. Tons would want to play Sea because he's Sea.
If you truly want to revive the foreign scene a bit, you're going about it the wrong way.
Just my 2 cents.
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On July 25 2015 06:38 G5 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 06:21 2Pacalypse- wrote:On July 25 2015 05:22 GGzerG wrote:
If Scan is allowed to play, doors should be open to all Koreans really, what sense does this make to call this a "Tournament for the Foreign BW Scene" when there is a over 90% chance that Scan will win every single Cup + The Championship and he isn't a foreigner? Scan doesn't even play at the Foreigner level, how many other foreigners do we have in this "BW Foreign Scene" that play at the same level of Scan? None.
I understand me saying this is not going to change anything, I just hope after Scan wins every single cup + the championship, we will all realize how pointless this was, and how little this is helping BW foreign scene's growth. On July 23 2015 08:31 2Pacalypse- wrote:
Why is it so hard to understand that we want a tournament for the foreign BW scene. Scan is a part of the foreign BW scene and has been for years. End of discussion. Just to be clear. If you didn't allow Scan to play, there would be more people coming back and playing. I hope this isn't confusing by any means to you. Also, if you are going to stand by this (which is fine imo), why not let other Korean and Chinese foreign contributors play? Sea would be a perfect example. He speaks good English, he has done a lot of things with the Foreign community, and was even on a foreign team called TeamLiquid previously. With guys like that, at least you'll draw a crowd of people who want to play despite being raped because it's Sea. No one wants to play Scan because he's Scan. Tons would want to play Sea because he's Sea. If you truly want to revive the foreign scene a bit, you're going about it the wrong way. Just my 2 cents.
Thank you so much for this logical voice of reason....
EDIT : So sad, I just checked registered players, I thought I saw your name on the list G5. Would you have played had Scan not been in the tournament G5?
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Take away $ from defiler tours and tsl, and Scan will be a part of the foreign community just as my cat.
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On July 25 2015 06:43 GGzerG wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 06:38 G5 wrote:On July 25 2015 06:21 2Pacalypse- wrote:On July 25 2015 05:22 GGzerG wrote:
If Scan is allowed to play, doors should be open to all Koreans really, what sense does this make to call this a "Tournament for the Foreign BW Scene" when there is a over 90% chance that Scan will win every single Cup + The Championship and he isn't a foreigner? Scan doesn't even play at the Foreigner level, how many other foreigners do we have in this "BW Foreign Scene" that play at the same level of Scan? None.
I understand me saying this is not going to change anything, I just hope after Scan wins every single cup + the championship, we will all realize how pointless this was, and how little this is helping BW foreign scene's growth. On July 23 2015 08:31 2Pacalypse- wrote:
Why is it so hard to understand that we want a tournament for the foreign BW scene. Scan is a part of the foreign BW scene and has been for years. End of discussion. Just to be clear. If you didn't allow Scan to play, there would be more people coming back and playing. I hope this isn't confusing by any means to you. Also, if you are going to stand by this (which is fine imo), why not let other Korean and Chinese foreign contributors play? Sea would be a perfect example. He speaks good English, he has done a lot of things with the Foreign community, and was even on a foreign team called TeamLiquid previously. With guys like that, at least you'll draw a crowd of people who want to play despite being raped because it's Sea. No one wants to play Scan because he's Scan. Tons would want to play Sea because he's Sea. If you truly want to revive the foreign scene a bit, you're going about it the wrong way. Just my 2 cents. Thank you so much for this logical voice of reason.... EDIT : So sad, I just checked registered players, I thought I saw your name on the list G5. Would you have played had Scan not been in the tournament G5?
I dunno, I'm super busy with my business at the moment but I probably would have played for fun if this hadn't gone down the way it has.
I originally didn't care and thought "well, it's their tournament... they can do whatever they want". After reading the out-cry and people refusing to play because of the decision, I changed my mind.
I firmly believe that many times you have to listen to people and not be stubborn. In business, this is especially true. You have to listen to your customers and act accordingly.
I look at it like this:
If the admins of this tournament really cared about increasing the activity of the foreign SC:BW scene, they would listen to the foreign community and act accordingly. It's unquestionable after reading this thread that almost no one wants him to play and it's a fact that many top foreigners aren't playing because of him.
I also think that if Scan actually cared about the foreign scene, he would gracefully bow out. It's undeniable that if this decision was reversed, altered, or Scan dropped out, the foreign community as well as this tournament would have a bigger spike in activity and players, including many of the top foreigners. Scan isn't dropping out because he doesn't care. He wants his easy money and the admins here are too stubborn to reverse their decision.
Even if the admins here realize that their decision is hurting their supposed goal (which I'm sure they do), the reason they are not going to reverse it or alter it is purely out of pride and ego. Personally, I think decisions made on pride and ego are usually stupid ones and this is no exception.
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On July 25 2015 06:38 G5 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 06:21 2Pacalypse- wrote:On July 25 2015 05:22 GGzerG wrote:
If Scan is allowed to play, doors should be open to all Koreans really, what sense does this make to call this a "Tournament for the Foreign BW Scene" when there is a over 90% chance that Scan will win every single Cup + The Championship and he isn't a foreigner? Scan doesn't even play at the Foreigner level, how many other foreigners do we have in this "BW Foreign Scene" that play at the same level of Scan? None.
I understand me saying this is not going to change anything, I just hope after Scan wins every single cup + the championship, we will all realize how pointless this was, and how little this is helping BW foreign scene's growth. On July 23 2015 08:31 2Pacalypse- wrote:
Why is it so hard to understand that we want a tournament for the foreign BW scene. Scan is a part of the foreign BW scene and has been for years. End of discussion. Just to be clear. If you didn't allow Scan to play, there would be more people coming back and playing. I hope this isn't confusing by any means to you. Also, if you are going to stand by this (which is fine imo), why not let other Korean and Chinese foreign contributors play? Sea would be a perfect example. He speaks good English, he has done a lot of things with the Foreign community, and was even on a foreign team called TeamLiquid previously. With guys like that, at least you'll draw a crowd of people who want to play despite being raped because it's Sea. No one wants to play Scan because he's Scan. Tons would want to play Sea because he's Sea. If you truly want to revive the foreign scene a bit, you're going about it the wrong way. Just my 2 cents.
I thought about this a lot when we were first discussing it in staff forums. First, there is a significant difference between Scan's and Sea's participation in the foreign BW scene. For example, Sea didn't play in a single foreign BW tournament, while Scan played in tons of them (it's weird how it's only now becoming a problem, mainly because Scan kept playing and practicing - while being in US mind you - while everyone else stopped playing). Not to mention the participation in our forums, writing guides, streaming on TL etc.
Second, Sea has an unfair advantage over foreigners by participating in the offline Korean tournaments that foreigners are not privy to. As I said before, if Scan starts doing the same we would be willing to reconsider his status.
But besides all that, I'd like to address this point that seems to be repeated here every so often. That we're actually discouraging the foreign BW players from participating in the tournament because the Scan is in it. I think this is not true, and besides few of the players here who refuse to participate out of the protest because they fear their shot at the money is being oppressed, I think it will actually increase the activity in the long run.
I know it might not seem like the most obvious thing right now, but one of the biggest problems we had during TLS1/2/3 (besides Sziky owning everyone and having 80% ZvZs after Ro8) is the players attitude toward the tournament itself. It was pretty frustrating, for us organizers, to see players have an apathetic attitude towards your tournament, where it seems like they don't even bother preparing for it and just play it like every other ladder match. And I think that's exactly what we would get again if we didn't allow Scan from the start and didn't have all this drama.
The biggest goal we're trying to achieve here is to make people care. Care about the tournament, care enough to practice that one proxy 2gate build to take down your opponent, care about our stream and tune in every saturday to watch some BW, care about the players themselves that would make you post and participate in the discussion in the forums, care enough to fight with the organizers for 18 pages how you only have a chance at 2nd place, etc.
While allowing Scan in the tournament might not help us achieve all of our goals, we just had to do what seemed right to us and not care about pleasing the community in the short term, by pumping a couple of thousand of bucks in the scene.
And who knows, someone might get lucky with a dt drop and history would be made!
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On July 25 2015 07:18 G5 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 06:43 GGzerG wrote:On July 25 2015 06:38 G5 wrote:On July 25 2015 06:21 2Pacalypse- wrote:On July 25 2015 05:22 GGzerG wrote:
If Scan is allowed to play, doors should be open to all Koreans really, what sense does this make to call this a "Tournament for the Foreign BW Scene" when there is a over 90% chance that Scan will win every single Cup + The Championship and he isn't a foreigner? Scan doesn't even play at the Foreigner level, how many other foreigners do we have in this "BW Foreign Scene" that play at the same level of Scan? None.
I understand me saying this is not going to change anything, I just hope after Scan wins every single cup + the championship, we will all realize how pointless this was, and how little this is helping BW foreign scene's growth. On July 23 2015 08:31 2Pacalypse- wrote:
Why is it so hard to understand that we want a tournament for the foreign BW scene. Scan is a part of the foreign BW scene and has been for years. End of discussion. Just to be clear. If you didn't allow Scan to play, there would be more people coming back and playing. I hope this isn't confusing by any means to you. Also, if you are going to stand by this (which is fine imo), why not let other Korean and Chinese foreign contributors play? Sea would be a perfect example. He speaks good English, he has done a lot of things with the Foreign community, and was even on a foreign team called TeamLiquid previously. With guys like that, at least you'll draw a crowd of people who want to play despite being raped because it's Sea. No one wants to play Scan because he's Scan. Tons would want to play Sea because he's Sea. If you truly want to revive the foreign scene a bit, you're going about it the wrong way. Just my 2 cents. Thank you so much for this logical voice of reason.... EDIT : So sad, I just checked registered players, I thought I saw your name on the list G5. Would you have played had Scan not been in the tournament G5? It's undeniable that if this decision was reversed, altered, or Scan dropped out, the foreign community as well as this tournament would have a bigger spike in activity and players, including many of the top foreigners.
This is a delusion that only seems true because undoubtedly we would get a few more sign-ups from very people who are protesting here. Very little would change outside of that.
On July 25 2015 07:18 G5 wrote:
Even if the admins here realize that their decision is hurting their supposed goal (which I'm sure they do), the reason they are not going to reverse it or alter it is purely out of pride and ego. Personally, I think decisions made on pride and ego are usually stupid ones and this is no exception.
We take community's feedback very seriously and trust me, there's no pride and ego involved here. We discussed our plans for months before we announced anything, so excuse us if we want to actually see the results of our discussion before we start thinking of reversing everything we discussed so far based on the knee-jerk reaction of few players who thought could earn some money if only we eliminate all competition for them. Weird how very few of D players are actually complaining about Scan.
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I like Scan a lot, hes a genuine and straight up guy imo. And he has been practicing this game like nothing else. He puts in so much effort in being good and better than anyone else it's actually insane how much motivation he has.
Weirdly and strangely i rarely from all these years I've been active on tl.net or any other site seen a person like Scan(korean) be apart of this community for so long and yes he did stupid stuffs in his past which MANY has and i won't mention cause it doesn't belong here..
The part where i can understand the foreign scene is where the foreigners has very little type of practice and wants to keep this game alive by playing every foreign tournament there is and having a chance of winning, joining a tournament u won't win is ALMOST pointless for them, only thing they get out from it is more publicity and perhaps practice.
I want Scan to participate only because i think he tries so hard to become the best and wants to be apart of this community. And also not to be stupid here he wants the money, who doesn't? That's a bit of the competitive scene these days to earn money and make a living.
I also think that if this tournament was non-korean and only foreigners yes more people would participate and perhaps revive the foreign scene a little bit which i HOPE to death it will happen.
But i don't know the people behind this tournament draws the last straw and decides which plays and who doesn't. So lets just let them handle it. Like i said i understand some of the frustrations in this thread and that's why we have forums to discuss the matters and what people think.
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On July 25 2015 07:32 2Pacalypse- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 06:38 G5 wrote:On July 25 2015 06:21 2Pacalypse- wrote:On July 25 2015 05:22 GGzerG wrote:
If Scan is allowed to play, doors should be open to all Koreans really, what sense does this make to call this a "Tournament for the Foreign BW Scene" when there is a over 90% chance that Scan will win every single Cup + The Championship and he isn't a foreigner? Scan doesn't even play at the Foreigner level, how many other foreigners do we have in this "BW Foreign Scene" that play at the same level of Scan? None.
I understand me saying this is not going to change anything, I just hope after Scan wins every single cup + the championship, we will all realize how pointless this was, and how little this is helping BW foreign scene's growth. On July 23 2015 08:31 2Pacalypse- wrote:
Why is it so hard to understand that we want a tournament for the foreign BW scene. Scan is a part of the foreign BW scene and has been for years. End of discussion. Just to be clear. If you didn't allow Scan to play, there would be more people coming back and playing. I hope this isn't confusing by any means to you. Also, if you are going to stand by this (which is fine imo), why not let other Korean and Chinese foreign contributors play? Sea would be a perfect example. He speaks good English, he has done a lot of things with the Foreign community, and was even on a foreign team called TeamLiquid previously. With guys like that, at least you'll draw a crowd of people who want to play despite being raped because it's Sea. No one wants to play Scan because he's Scan. Tons would want to play Sea because he's Sea. If you truly want to revive the foreign scene a bit, you're going about it the wrong way. Just my 2 cents. I thought about this a lot when we were first discussing it in staff forums. First, there is a significant difference between Scan's and Sea's participation in the foreign BW scene. For example, Sea didn't play in a single foreign BW tournament, while Scan played in tons of them (it's weird how it's only now becoming a problem, mainly because Scan kept playing and practicing - while being in US mind you - while everyone else stopped playing). Not to mention the participation in our forums, writing guides, streaming on TL etc. Second, Sea has an unfair advantage over foreigners by participating in the offline Korean tournaments that foreigners are not privy to. As I said before, if Scan starts doing the same we would be willing to reconsider his status. But besides all that, I'd like to address this point that seems to be repeated here every so often. That we're actually discouraging the foreign BW players from participating in the tournament because the Scan is in it. I think this is not true, and besides few of the players here who refuse to participate out of the protest because they fear their shot at the money is being oppressed, I think it will actually increase the activity in the long run. I know it might not seem like the most obvious thing right now, but one of the biggest problems we had during TLS1/2/3 (besides Sziky owning everyone and having 80% ZvZs after Ro8) is the players attitude toward the tournament itself. It was pretty frustrating, for us organizers, to see players have an apathetic attitude towards your tournament, where it seems like they don't even bother preparing for it and just play it like every other ladder match. And I think that's exactly what we would get again if we didn't allow Scan from the start and didn't have all this drama. The biggest goal we're trying to achieve here is to make people care. Care about the tournament, care enough to practice that one proxy 2gate build to take down your opponent, care about our stream and tune in every saturday to watch some BW, care about the players themselves that would make you post and participate in the discussion in the forums, care enough to fight with the organizers for 18 pages how you only have a chance at 2nd place, etc. While allowing Scan in the tournament might not help us achieve all of our goals, we just had to do what seemed right to us and not care about pleasing the community in the short term, by pumping a couple of thousand of bucks in the scene. And who knows, someone might get lucky with a dt drop and history would be made!
You are going about this all wrong. It's great that you're trying to revive stuff and that money is being thrown into the community but you are handling it all wrong.
If you think having less players playing is good... you are wrong.
If you think having a Korean player play in a foreign tournament thus almost definitely ensuring everyone can't win no matter how much they practice in 2 months is the right decision... you are wrong.
If you think not listening to the community is a good thing... you are wrong.
If you think the possibility of 2nd place makes people practice hard and care... you are wrong.
If you think it's the right decision to keep Scan... you are wrong.
The statement I bolded up top just proves that this decision is purely out of pride/ego.
It's clear your decision is wrong despite you stating "what seemed right to us". Right on what level? A principal level? I don't mind decisions based on a principal but if your main goal is truly to make people care, you are again, going at it wrong.
Let's be clear here. You may get a few people playing again from this but you won't get anything like you would if you reversed this decision. Look at the top foreign guys for a second. They got that good because they love the game. If you get them to actually play the game for a few months and care about this tournament, they are more likely to stick around and continue playing/streaming. If they hate your tournament and don't play, what are the chances they will stick around and continue playing/streaming? I'll give you a hint. It's NONE! This was designed to incentivize people to play and get involved and it's not doing that to it's full effect. You are truly just going about this all wrong.
On July 25 2015 07:42 2Pacalypse- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 07:18 G5 wrote:On July 25 2015 06:43 GGzerG wrote:On July 25 2015 06:38 G5 wrote:On July 25 2015 06:21 2Pacalypse- wrote:On July 25 2015 05:22 GGzerG wrote:
If Scan is allowed to play, doors should be open to all Koreans really, what sense does this make to call this a "Tournament for the Foreign BW Scene" when there is a over 90% chance that Scan will win every single Cup + The Championship and he isn't a foreigner? Scan doesn't even play at the Foreigner level, how many other foreigners do we have in this "BW Foreign Scene" that play at the same level of Scan? None.
I understand me saying this is not going to change anything, I just hope after Scan wins every single cup + the championship, we will all realize how pointless this was, and how little this is helping BW foreign scene's growth. On July 23 2015 08:31 2Pacalypse- wrote:
Why is it so hard to understand that we want a tournament for the foreign BW scene. Scan is a part of the foreign BW scene and has been for years. End of discussion. Just to be clear. If you didn't allow Scan to play, there would be more people coming back and playing. I hope this isn't confusing by any means to you. Also, if you are going to stand by this (which is fine imo), why not let other Korean and Chinese foreign contributors play? Sea would be a perfect example. He speaks good English, he has done a lot of things with the Foreign community, and was even on a foreign team called TeamLiquid previously. With guys like that, at least you'll draw a crowd of people who want to play despite being raped because it's Sea. No one wants to play Scan because he's Scan. Tons would want to play Sea because he's Sea. If you truly want to revive the foreign scene a bit, you're going about it the wrong way. Just my 2 cents. Thank you so much for this logical voice of reason.... EDIT : So sad, I just checked registered players, I thought I saw your name on the list G5. Would you have played had Scan not been in the tournament G5? It's undeniable that if this decision was reversed, altered, or Scan dropped out, the foreign community as well as this tournament would have a bigger spike in activity and players, including many of the top foreigners. This is a delusion that only seems true because undoubtedly we would get a few more sign-ups from very people who are protesting here. Very little would change outside of that. Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 07:18 G5 wrote:
Even if the admins here realize that their decision is hurting their supposed goal (which I'm sure they do), the reason they are not going to reverse it or alter it is purely out of pride and ego. Personally, I think decisions made on pride and ego are usually stupid ones and this is no exception. We take community's feedback very seriously and trust me, there's no pride and ego involved here. We discussed our plans for months before we announced anything, so excuse us if we want to actually see the results of our discussion before we start thinking of reversing everything we discussed so far based on the knee-jerk reaction of few players who thought could earn some money if only we eliminate all competition for them. Weird how very few of D players are actually complaining about Scan.
How it is a delusion if there will "undoubtedly" be more sign-ups?
Oh and please don't state you take the community's feedback very seriously. You literally JUST SAID that you don't care about pleasing the community right now.
You want to know why you don't hear D players complaining about Scan? It's because they don't care. They don't expect to post any good results and don't see it being worth their time to complain about who beats them. You were saying earlier that you wanted to increase people streaming. You think these D players are going to stream their asses off and a bunch of people are going to get up and eagerly watch them? The answer is no.
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On July 20 2015 01:45 skzlime wrote:
i mostly agree with what dragon said and the way he said it. i think his concern holds truth, his arguments are fine, he isn't being overly dramatic, and he isn't a "little person" for speaking his mind in a well-mannered tone. however, i think scan should definitely be allowed to participate.
personally i will probably not prepare as much if he does as i would otherwise (which is basically the main thing dragon was saying), but i might not prepare as much even if he didn't. who gives a shit? i don't think i should be "catered to" by banning scan because he further accumulated his skill advantage while i did other shit.
i also must say this huge break was a pretty fucking big letdown to the point where i didn't even care if this thing ever happened anymore, which i realise has already been apologised for profusely but whatever.
My hero!
Agree about the maps... It's 2015, we should be using the newest maps i.e SSL. I don't know what's the obsession with Tau Cross and Paranoid android, those are more reasons to not play than Scan or Sziky being participants.
On July 21 2015 22:25 Eywa- wrote:
Jesus, I know you guys don't like all of the top players complaining that they can't beat Scan, but trying to convince everyone that they can and they're just cowards makes it worse. I'll give you guys 1:1 odds with me betting for Scan to win the entire event ~ barring anyone paying him off... I bet none of you will take it. You probably aren't willing to do 2:1 odds, if that's the case... You shouldn't be arguing anything based on skill or saying anything about how the other players are scared and just need practice and "man up". Any practice most foreigners can get, Scan can get more and in better quality. On top of that, the starting level is not even comparable.
The rules of the tournament are set by the organizers, and you can argue Scan both ways based on his nationality, you can argue it both ways based on his past and you can argue it both ways for what actually benefits the scene... In the end, I do think letting Scan play is the more respectable decision, it's tough to say if it's the better decision for the scene in general ~ I don't think anyone can confirm either way.
Every organization makes mistakes, every organization makes good decisions which fans/players consider to be mistakes and every organization makes bad decisions which are largely considered good by fans/players.
~ This is just fan opinion, but I guess my initial thought going into this post was just to say that everyone should look at how their posting contributes to the drama as opposed to just pointing at the players making drama over the issue.
I sympathize with the players, and the organization.
Why isn't this cockroach banned? Someone who's words have zero weight is trying to make a bet? It's Joekim2.0!
User was warned for this post
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I'm done here. I've said my peace. I'd say "You'll recognize that you're going about this wrong or you won't" but recognizing the mistake isn't the problem here. It's swallowing pride and doing what should be done for the betterment of the community. Apparently that's a big thing to ask though. Good luck with the tournament, hope you achieve what you wanted to achieve.
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I've been away from bw staff discussions and decisions for awhile, but whatever the reason for sticking to the original plan, I think it is rather presumptuous to identify the leading problem as a matter of pride.
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