On July 24 2015 02:49 BulgarianToss wrote:
Guys I'm glad you liked it, now we have a more positive thread
Guys I'm glad you liked it, now we have a more positive thread
And to think I tried to bribe everyone.
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19139 Posts
On July 24 2015 02:49 BulgarianToss wrote: Guys I'm glad you liked it, now we have a more positive thread And to think I tried to bribe everyone. | ||
ggnore13
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10626 Posts
On July 24 2015 04:39 dRaW wrote: When you haven't checked TL in so long, you get a notification on FB about a BW tournament... dRaW has come to defend the Foreign BW Scene from scan. The epic story line continues... Will dRaW and Scan meet in the finals? Will dRaW save humanity from the evil cyborg Korean Scan? Will Bisudagger change his TL username to emodagger while Bisu is away at military service? Tune into the TLS to find out the answers to these epic riddles. | ||
zimp
Hungary951 Posts
On July 23 2015 07:55 2Pacalypse- wrote: Show nested quote + On July 23 2015 07:37 LRM)TechnicS wrote: On July 23 2015 07:29 2Pacalypse- wrote: Seriously, all of you who are saying we should open it to all koreans or whatever; why is it so hard to understand the rules which were very clearly written. The point of the tournament is to have people who are part of the foreign BW scene playing in it. Can you seriously, with clear conscience, say that Scan is not part of the foreign BW scene? zimp's comment sums it up pretty well in regards to rules On July 21 2015 12:33 zimp wrote: I have just seen this topic now. It's great that there are going to be new tournaments. I must comment on the Scan issue though. The rules say: On July 18 2015 06:47 2Pacalypse- wrote: the people eligible to play in these tournaments is everyone outside Korea and China. = "read non-Korean/Chinese" So we must investigate. Is Scan korean? He has korean flag in TLPD. He has a korean name. He was raised in korea. He speaks korean (better than anything else). He knows the korean culture. He has korean genes as far as i know. He knows the korean bw culture. He is in korean clans. He understands korean commentators. He can chat with his korean friends about new builds. Therefore i can conclude, he IS korean. Now there is an additional rule to the rule above: On July 18 2015 06:47 2Pacalypse- wrote: The edge cases (Koreans/Chinese currently residing outside of Korea/China, non-Koreans/Chinese currently residing in Korea/China and others) will be considered separately based on their participation in the foreign BW scene. Let me quote Scan here. On July 19 2015 10:50 LaStScan wrote: (...) i'm in Korea (...) So he is a korean who is currently living in Korea, therefore, according to your own rules, he should not be allowed to participate. Whenever he moves back to the U.S., his case should be reconsidered based on his participation in the foreign BW scene. However this rule doesn't mention how to decide based on his participation. So all i can do is summarize his participation (or at least what i found on tlnet). Major tournaments 2008 Razer TSL - Scan played but he was banned due to cheating. 2011 AoV iCCup StarLeague - Scan won it. 2011 Reality-Defined.com Winners Tournament - Scan won it. 2013 ICCup Ladder Main Event 1 - Scan won it Defiler tournaments 2011-2012: at least 9x won, 5x second 2014-2015: Scan won all the 5 defiler tourneys that were held recently. Other -Scan won the iccup ladder several times -Scan occasionally posts on TLnet -Scan released some of his replays recently I just wrote down some facts Except that zimp ignored the only relevant part to Scan's case. Stratos already refuted it: Show nested quote + On July 21 2015 13:46 Stratos wrote: On July 18 2015 06:47 2Pacalypse- wrote: The edge cases (Koreans/Chinese currently residing outside of Korea/China, non-Koreans/Chinese currently residing in Korea/China and others) will be considered separately based on their participation in the foreign BW scene. Your lawyering doesn't quite work here, zimp. Besides what was already mentioned, Scan streams on twitch, interacts with viewers in English, brings us behind the scene info and helps us translate stuff. The way I see it, this TLS is built around the idea that it's for the foreign scene and its communities. Korean or Mongolian, Scan is a part of this community, and he's even a contributing member. If Bisu wants to become a part of TL or reps.ru pr psistorm or whatever, then he'd be allowed too. So this is how the league was conceived by the ppl who organize it. You can discuss whether that concept is good or bad forever but lawyering and providing claims about Scan's nationality is a waste of everyone's time. The question you want to be asking in that regard is: Is Scan a TLer? But we all know the answer to that. And he's a great TLer at that. Also, if we actually let the few interested Koreans become a full part of our community, we can gain and learn a lot from them. Basically, the benefits of living in Korean BW environment would be that much closer to us. So it's not like this is a one-way service at all. Scan is a perfect example of that. In my understanding of the rules, Scan simply falls into the korean category, therefore he is not even an edge case as long as he is residing in Korea, so the "and others" part can not be relevant to Scan's case. To clarify more, i think the current rules enroll the player candidates into 3 main categories, and the another 3 sub-category for the third category: Group 1 Foreign (eligible to play). Group 2 Korean/Chinese (not eligible to play). <- Scan right now Group 3 Edge cases (considered separately based on their participation in the foreign BW scene). a) Koreans/Chinese currently residing outside of Korea/China <- Scan when livig in the U.S. b) non-Koreans/Chinese currently residing in Korea/China c) others (?? dogs and cats etc.?) I understand it that you want a tournament for the foreign BW scene. And you think Scan is a part of it so you allow him to play. But the current rules don't say this. As JieXian previously mentioned it, it's bad communication. Up 'till this was my lawyering. Below in spoiler is my opinion. + Show Spoiler + Besides the rules problem, I also admit that i think Scan doesn't deserve to play in a foreign event. Firstly, he is korean. Yet he got a chance to play in a previous event and what did he do? He cheated. So, secondly, he doesn't strike me as a nice guy (like Movie or Bisu for example). He often gets to a flame war with other people on the forum. He often humiliates his opponents and his allies. Even just reading his chats gives you a feeling of an agressive, selfish person. Certainly not humble, like the behavior you would expect from someone who is trying to earn your trust back after cheating. And thirdly, - and this is somewhat connected to the first point - he is too good. He won almost all the foreign events he took part in, basicly destroying the competition. Now it's important to note that neither of these traits would be enough alone to cause these feelings. Michael is somewhat korean, yet he was okay to participate. Julia is somewhat bad mannered, lol so what. Sziky is too good, but it's not unfair. But Scan is all these 3 combined, which is too much for me, and apparently for other people too. Now Scan tries to compensate for these with a little forum activity, that apparently persuades the organizers to allow him to participate. Also they don't want to be rude and exclude someone who helped them in translating something and they have every right to do that way. We're thankful for their work anyway and respecting their decision, but its difficult for me to agree with it -.- Now after all this too much fuss, i'm actually a bit excited about how Scan's games will go. The video was funny, but even though the creator said we shouldn't take it seriously, it actually describes the problem somewhat accurately. | ||
sas.ZaRaki
Spain199 Posts
On July 23 2015 22:52 BulgarianToss wrote: Scan in TLS tournaments Guys i just want to say that i love you and PLEASE don't take this seriously, i made it only for the laughs ok? <3 This was amazing dude, i really loved it, laughed a lot till tears, thank you lol How did you know about the risitas? spanish humor master xD | ||
sas.Sziky
Hungary249 Posts
a story and I'm done. When come sc2 and all out im too(but not play sc2) when i see revived im back and I met iccup ladder scan! we played 3 game maybe. all rape me im said u gosu and i said im not play 3 mounth bw, so im bad. scan said me 6 mounth not play I knew it was a stupid especially when not sc2 scan where? I heard morea bad not only abuser for scan this old story ok but fact never respect to another(minimal), uppish, and more but im english bad. No matter how many times I won against him, scan always found objections my opinion he angry beacause a nobody(me) more time beat five.(and know this guys this is a big deal if you look at 100(sziky)-300(scan) when more time scout me one game win and no add re or when add re need to wait 5 min all time bm for me (because this= bm ) and im still said "" someone wrote im bm only When they bm too another first. i said now sincere and when we play others. im very not like this guy but not said any comment go ban. if play play. but annoying and not to build, destroy foreign bw(my opinion) im learned new english word ur happy scan? and i know your still school not need again write . im write only because who knows how long here me I see more people not like me, It does not recognize that I reached many things. pls any1 said again me english and estonia and im join lrm for x dollars. and said when i loss progamer win It does not matter ah said when 1 dollar donats for stream and not when more 20 said when scan have 80 viewers i have 20 not when i have 100 scan 50. need stop tl see :D im angry Every time I see a lot of stupid. but are reaching im play sc2 but not problem here for you scan bb. | ||
TelecoM
United States10626 Posts
On July 24 2015 06:19 sas.Sziky wrote: Up 'till this was my lawyering. Below in spoiler is my opinion. ''zimp'' not only you :D therefore I love you :D u not idiot. a story and I'm done. When come sc2 and all out im too(but not play sc2) when i see revived im back and I met iccup ladder scan! we played 3 game maybe. all rape me im said u gosu and i said im not play 3 mounth bw, so im bad. scan said me 6 mounth not play I knew it was a stupid especially when not sc2 scan where? I heard morea bad not only abuser for scan this old story ok but fact never respect to another(minimal), uppish, and more but im english bad. No matter how many times I won against him, scan always found objections my opinion he angry beacause a nobody(me) more time beat five.(and know this guys this is a big deal if you look at 100(sziky)-300(scan) when more time scout me one game win and no add re or when add re need to wait 5 min all time bm for me (because this= bm ) and im still said "" someone wrote im bm only When they bm too another first. i said now sincere and when we play others. im very not like this guy but not said any comment go ban. if play play. but annoying and not to build, destroy foreign bw(my opinion) im learned new english word ur happy scan? and i know your still school not need again write . im write only because who knows how long here me I see more people not like me, It does not recognize that I reached many things. pls any1 said again me english and estonia and im join lrm for x dollars. and said when i loss progamer win It does not matter ah said when 1 dollar donats for stream and not when more 20 said when scan have 80 viewers i have 20 not when i have 100 scan 50. need stop tl see :D im angry Every time I see a lot of stupid. but are reaching im play sc2 but not problem here for you scan bb. What I gathered from this is that you came back to iCCup when Foreign BW was being revived by this tournament, you've been inactive for 3 months, scan said he hasn't played in 6 months ( where would he be sc2? ) , you heard about scan's previous abuse in TSL, when he wins he makes you wait for re games, and you re immediately which is BM for him. Scan playing in this TLS is killing foreign BW, and you or scan are going to play SC2 now or something? Sorry, doing my best to understand Szisky. I think the best conclusion is that Scan is killing foreign bw. | ||
TelecoM
United States10626 Posts
On July 24 2015 05:19 zimp wrote: he doesn't strike me as a nice guy (like Movie or Bisu for example) Why are Movie / Bisu not a nice guy again? I must have missed this. | ||
GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
On July 24 2015 05:19 zimp wrote: To clarify more, i think the current rules enroll the player candidates into 3 main categories, and the another 3 sub-category for the third category: Group 1 Foreign (eligible to play). Group 2 Korean/Chinese (not eligible to play). <- Scan right now Group 3 Edge cases (considered separately based on their participation in the foreign BW scene). a) Koreans/Chinese currently residing outside of Korea/China <- Scan when livig in the U.S. b) non-Koreans/Chinese currently residing in Korea/China c) others (?? dogs and cats etc.?) c) would be something like: | ||
BulgarianToss
Bulgaria470 Posts
On July 24 2015 05:30 sas.ZaRaki wrote: Show nested quote + On July 23 2015 22:52 BulgarianToss wrote: Scan in TLS tournaments Guys i just want to say that i love you and PLEASE don't take this seriously, i made it only for the laughs ok? <3 This was amazing dude, i really loved it, laughed a lot till tears, thank you lol How did you know about the risitas? spanish humor master xD Thanks Zaraki . I just saw another spoof video with him like the one i made here a few months back. That's when i found about him. | ||
[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6432 Posts
On July 24 2015 06:52 GGzerG wrote: Show nested quote + On July 24 2015 06:19 sas.Sziky wrote: Up 'till this was my lawyering. Below in spoiler is my opinion. ''zimp'' not only you :D therefore I love you :D u not idiot. a story and I'm done. When come sc2 and all out im too(but not play sc2) when i see revived im back and I met iccup ladder scan! we played 3 game maybe. all rape me im said u gosu and i said im not play 3 mounth bw, so im bad. scan said me 6 mounth not play I knew it was a stupid especially when not sc2 scan where? I heard morea bad not only abuser for scan this old story ok but fact never respect to another(minimal), uppish, and more but im english bad. No matter how many times I won against him, scan always found objections my opinion he angry beacause a nobody(me) more time beat five.(and know this guys this is a big deal if you look at 100(sziky)-300(scan) when more time scout me one game win and no add re or when add re need to wait 5 min all time bm for me (because this= bm ) and im still said "" someone wrote im bm only When they bm too another first. i said now sincere and when we play others. im very not like this guy but not said any comment go ban. if play play. but annoying and not to build, destroy foreign bw(my opinion) im learned new english word ur happy scan? and i know your still school not need again write . im write only because who knows how long here me I see more people not like me, It does not recognize that I reached many things. pls any1 said again me english and estonia and im join lrm for x dollars. and said when i loss progamer win It does not matter ah said when 1 dollar donats for stream and not when more 20 said when scan have 80 viewers i have 20 not when i have 100 scan 50. need stop tl see :D im angry Every time I see a lot of stupid. but are reaching im play sc2 but not problem here for you scan bb. What I gathered from this is that you came back to iCCup when Foreign BW was being revived by this tournament, you've been inactive for 3 months, scan said he hasn't played in 6 months ( where would he be sc2? ) , you heard about scan's previous abuse in TSL, when he wins he makes you wait for re games, and you re immediately which is BM for him. Scan playing in this TLS is killing foreign BW, and you or scan are going to play SC2 now or something? Sorry, doing my best to understand Szisky. I think the best conclusion is that Scan is killing foreign bw. he is talking about when sc2 comes out and he played Scan after some time inactive and when loss scan told him that actually he was 6 months inactive ,and he knew scan was bm and a kid ? ; | ||
zimp
Hungary951 Posts
On July 24 2015 06:55 GGzerG wrote: Show nested quote + On July 24 2015 05:19 zimp wrote: he doesn't strike me as a nice guy (like Movie or Bisu for example) Why are Movie / Bisu not a nice guy again? I must have missed this. sorry, maybe my english is not good enough. i meant nice guy, like Movie or Bisu = Movie and Bisu are examples for nice guys. maybe the corrrect grammatical phrase is "unlike" On July 24 2015 06:58 GeckoXp wrote: Show nested quote + On July 24 2015 05:19 zimp wrote: To clarify more, i think the current rules enroll the player candidates into 3 main categories, and the another 3 sub-category for the third category: Group 1 Foreign (eligible to play). Group 2 Korean/Chinese (not eligible to play). <- Scan right now Group 3 Edge cases (considered separately based on their participation in the foreign BW scene). a) Koreans/Chinese currently residing outside of Korea/China <- Scan when livig in the U.S. b) non-Koreans/Chinese currently residing in Korea/China c) others (?? dogs and cats etc.?) c) would be something like: http://i.imgur.com/5aoHYGn.png lol | ||
[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6432 Posts
On July 24 2015 07:32 zimp wrote: Show nested quote + On July 24 2015 06:55 GGzerG wrote: On July 24 2015 05:19 zimp wrote: he doesn't strike me as a nice guy (like Movie or Bisu for example) Why are Movie / Bisu not a nice guy again? I must have missed this. sorry, maybe my english is not good enough. i meant nice guy, like Movie or Bisu = Movie and Bisu are example for nice guys. maybe the corrrect grammatical phrase is "unlike" i understood what u wanted to tell,but maybe is cuz im terrible at english? -_- | ||
Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On July 24 2015 00:01 GeckoXp wrote: Show nested quote + On July 23 2015 22:52 BulgarianToss wrote: Scan in TLS tournaments Guys i just want to say that i love you and PLEASE don't take this seriously, i made it only for the laughs ok? <3 hell yeah, + Show Spoiler [cheeeeerfuls] + haha nice! | ||
outscar
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TelecoM
United States10626 Posts
On July 24 2015 07:52 outscar wrote: Prove yourself as a part of foreign gamers. On July 24 2015 07:52 outscar wrote: foreign Scan is Korean, shouldn't even be considered part of the "Foreign BW scene" as he plays in Korean and Chinese events lol | ||
LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
"Now Scan tries to compensate for these with a little forum activity, that apparently persuades the organizers to allow him to participate." 1) There are people out there still hating me(Sziky would be a great example), and I do not want to deal with it. Simple. 2) I've got accepted and requested by TL staffs to come back to TL.NET. The point is, How long ago? Not even 1 year yet. 3) I started to deliver a big and nice news(LoveTV, 41TV, and others, I do not follow very much) to everyone. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/472080-ongamenet-to-host-10th-sbenu-starleague Note: Thank you for some other helps and updates by other TL members while I was gone because of school and others. 4) I don't post very much, but I check out and read frequently. (Reason stated on the top). | ||
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United States3490 Posts
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