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HonestTea
5007 Posts
This data was compiled by the user 'Nerion' at pgr21.com
It includes all stats up to December 9th. These results are from the OSL, MSL, Proleague, Dual Tournament and Survivor League. Event matches (ie Superfight) and offline preliminaries do not count.
Blitz
T vs Z 5:6 *Zerg has won two in a row
P vs T 6: 9
Z vs P 9:8
Arcadia II
T vs Z 18:18
P vs T 8:6
Z vs P 12:15
New Peaks of Baekdu
T vs Z 16:14 *Terran has won five in a row
P vs T 12:11 *Protoss has won two in a row
Z vs P 11:14 *Protoss has won two in a row
Longinus
T vs Z 12:2 *Terran has won five in a row
P vs T 10:5 *Protoss has won three in row
Z vs P 9:4 *Zerg has won two in a row
Arkanoid
T vs Z 5:8
P vs T 4:6
Z vs P 3:2
Tau Cross
T vs Z 12:10 *Terran has won three in a row
P vs T 8: 7
Z vs P 7:4
2006 Second term (second half of 2006) Total stats
T vs Z 68:58
P vs T 48:44
Z vs P 51:47
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Valhalla18444 Posts
pretty balanced maps this season!
Longinus is kind of crazy but its so goddamn entertaining
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
Steve your post count always throws me off
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Valhalla18444 Posts
your chiseled good looks do the same to me
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
Damn it's getting hot in here.
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And they say Zvp Imba look at yo
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
rofl some hot action goin on in here..
what happened to ZvP imba?? WTf
peaks p >z
;O
cool stats.
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wow, yeah zvp is the most balanced matchup of the three from those numbers.
i'm surprised at the size of the tvz gap, although it's mostly longinus.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
you ignored the 12:2 for terran over zerg to bring up a 9:4
interesting
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United States5262 Posts
Longinus actually seems balanced. Each race has its own superior matchup and a weak matchup.
T>Z
Z>P
P>T
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On December 13 2006 21:35 jkillashark wrote:
Longinus actually seems balanced. Each race has its own superior matchup and a weak matchup.
T>Z
Z>P
P>T
yeah but people normally talk about imbalance as in particular matchups being imbalanced, not races. so T > Z > P > T would be matchup-imbalanced but racially balanced -- like going random vs a random would be just as good as picking a race.
although yeah there are maps that a particular race dominates.
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New peaks is kind of...rare. Protoss wining over Zerg, nice change.
Longinus is just like omg. terran domination over the Zerg.
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not savior's fault he lost on longinus!
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To protosses.
T vs Z 68:58
P vs T 48:44
Z vs P 51:47
I don't see zergs making half as many threads as you guys. Even when Cultivation period was being played. And that's a zerg graveyard.
A zerg tries to find solutions involving precise timing and strengthening their builds so it is not prone to weaknesses.
A protoss copies a pro build and uses it in the wrong situation and wonders why it didn't work.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On December 14 2006 00:47 ToT)Testie( wrote:
To protosses.
T vs Z 68:58
P vs T 48:44
Z vs P 51:47
I don't see zergs making half as many threads as you guys. Even when Cultivation period was being played. And that's a zerg graveyard.
A zerg tries to find solutions involving precise timing and strengthening their builds so it is not prone to weaknesses.
A protoss copies a pro build and uses it in the wrong situation and wonders why it didn't work.
exacttlyyyyyyy :D
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Russian Federation987 Posts
HonestTea congrat ). You became a zealot. Also thanks for such entertaining threads.
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anti pvz haters are almost as annoying the the haters themselves =/
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why is longinus so hard for zvt
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i think its bcuz if you spawn counterclockwise from the terran, its hard to secure a 3rd gas. that plus the ramp you have to go up to get to the middle.
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On December 14 2006 00:47 ToT)Testie( wrote:
To protosses.
T vs Z 68:58
P vs T 48:44
Z vs P 51:47
I don't see zergs making half as many threads as you guys. Even when Cultivation period was being played. And that's a zerg graveyard.
A zerg tries to find solutions involving precise timing and strengthening their builds so it is not prone to weaknesses.
A protoss copies a pro build and uses it in the wrong situation and wonders why it didn't work.
I agree except that CP comment and honestly, if you look not at overalls but a bit more specifics, you'll notice Arcadia and Peaks are the protoss' saving grace. Those are considered toss favored maps anyways.
CP = Toss Graveyard. You got it mixed up.
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Is it just me or are everyone so fucking obsessed with how balanced maps are?
I mean when people only talk about maps favoring certain races over others, they take away the actual players skill. Wtf is up with that? I'm tired of all this map talk, imba this imba that.
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United States5262 Posts
Words of wise from Testie hyeong.
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see, all of you who think pvz is super imba, YOU WRONG
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On December 14 2006 00:47 ToT)Testie( wrote:
To protosses.
T vs Z 68:58
P vs T 48:44
Z vs P 51:47
I don't see zergs making half as many threads as you guys. Even when Cultivation period was being played. And that's a zerg graveyard.
A zerg tries to find solutions involving precise timing and strengthening their builds so it is not prone to weaknesses.
A protoss copies a pro build and uses it in the wrong situation and wonders why it didn't work.
Take it from Testie!!!
If anyone in unbiased it would be him, because he play random. You dont get a legit, honest opnion like that everyday.
I fully agree!
(and not because Im Canadian)
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Like I always been sayin, zvp isn't imba, protoss players are just bitchy by nature.
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On December 14 2006 02:38 zulu_nation8 wrote:
why is longinus so hard for zvt
hard to contain/stall a terran with lurks, terran can hit the non-main gas expoes with tanks, smallish chokes make it hard to break contain. 10 patches main makes 1 base strats strong, I'd expect fast tank to be strong on this map, but I haven't been watching recently and haven't seen anyone do it.
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On December 14 2006 00:47 ToT)Testie( wrote:
To protosses.
T vs Z 68:58
P vs T 48:44
Z vs P 51:47
I don't see zergs making half as many threads as you guys. Even when Cultivation period was being played. And that's a zerg graveyard.
A zerg tries to find solutions involving precise timing and strengthening their builds so it is not prone to weaknesses.
A protoss copies a pro build and uses it in the wrong situation and wonders why it didn't work.
the canadians right. i should copy this quote and paste it and 4 or 5 active threads where P users are whining.
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rofl @ longinus, it has to be fixed ;p
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Looking at Longinus's TvZ
haha
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United States20661 Posts
longinus so imba. Wonder why they kept most imba map and dropped others.
Sin Cult Period was imba T>Z, though not to the degree HoV or Uboat or whatever were. Slight imbalance in favor of T, and it was played twice so oov > july.
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??? Oov > July ???
It was played twice so Casy > Yellow. That was the only time CP was played twice.
Oov just shut down July 3-0.
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On December 14 2006 11:30 Drowsy wrote:
Like I always been sayin, zvp isn't imba, protoss players are just bitchy by nature.
They say Protoss is the race for men
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United States20661 Posts
On December 14 2006 17:23 SuperJongMan wrote:
??? Oov > July ???
It was played twice so Casy > Yellow. That was the only time CP was played twice.
Oov just shut down July 3-0.
Whoops, got confused there. CP was supposed to be games 1, 5 for oov vs july if it went out to five, though, right?
YellOw T-T He gets screwed by maps really hard. Otherwise he'd have his title. He might even have a golden mouse. Now... well, now he doesn't do much.
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Great stats. I'm going to start quoting this thread in PvZ cry threads. -_-;
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i remember a time when pvz was imba towards p
it all depends on the players and strategies.
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Longinus
T vs Z 12:2 *Terran has won five in a row
P vs T 10:5 *Protoss has won three in row
Z vs P 9:4 *Zerg has won two in a row
wtf is up with this map??!
z>>p>>t>>>>>z
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Such a small amount of statistics means nothing about race balance. Especially since we have one really imbalanced map throwing things off big-time.
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On December 14 2006 00:47 ToT)Testie( wrote:
To protosses.
T vs Z 68:58
P vs T 48:44
Z vs P 51:47
I don't see zergs making half as many threads as you guys. Even when Cultivation period was being played. And that's a zerg graveyard.
A zerg tries to find solutions involving precise timing and strengthening their builds so it is not prone to weaknesses.
A protoss copies a pro build and uses it in the wrong situation and wonders why it didn't work.
Considering the variance in these stats is at least +-7 or 8ish, ie larger than the gap, these don't prove shit.
edit: also, the most important balance stats are on maps that are re-used a lot, not one-offs that are never used after their first league because they are too wildly imba.
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Sorry, all mathematical responses must include work to receive credit. If not, no one gives a flying fuck about your "variance."
Please less bullshit from your ass.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On December 20 2006 05:05 gravity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2006 00:47 ToT)Testie( wrote:
To protosses.
T vs Z 68:58
P vs T 48:44
Z vs P 51:47
I don't see zergs making half as many threads as you guys. Even when Cultivation period was being played. And that's a zerg graveyard.
A zerg tries to find solutions involving precise timing and strengthening their builds so it is not prone to weaknesses.
A protoss copies a pro build and uses it in the wrong situation and wonders why it didn't work. Considering the variance in these stats is at least +-7 or 8ish, ie larger than the gap, these don't prove shit. edit: also, the most important balance stats are on maps that are re-used a lot, not one-offs that are never used after their first league because they are too wildly imba.
Arcadia has been used for many leagues in a row now and has been a popular map (I dont like it).
Peaks of Baek doo wasn't wildly imba, too bad it was removed :<
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ToT)MidiaN(
England2183 Posts
imagine what these stats would look like if savior didnt exist -,-
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On December 20 2006 07:35 ToT)MidiaN( wrote:
imagine what these stats would look like if savior didnt exist -,-
hahaha yeah
wow arcadia 2 is 18:18 TvZ now
I still remember when it was like 10:0 for Z or something
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