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The fun has begun within the pace changing Ribbon's Mirror Tournaments, having already displaced the norms of one matchup's metagame in Ribbon's No Spire ZvZ Tour. We now move onto something more challenging. A matchup between players held to a higher standard, in a redefinition of the strategic TvT municipality. Games often compared to chess, this is the closest vicarious experience of Garry Kasparov our amazingly talented invites will ever have the chance to live out.
As the second edition rests on the dawn of the horizon, the possibilities remain endless. Terran may not be able to proxy nydus on Destination, or lurker their way to a comeback win when down two bases, but they sure have firebat drops. With that, this round has far more variables and more nail biting, hair pulling dramatic gameplay. The rest is explained below.
*One Factory* 8 Players * Best of 5 Rounds * Best of 7 Finals All games will be played Saturday, September 22nd at 19CET on Fish server in Op Ribbon. The cast will take place Sunday, September 23rd starting at 16CET on Hacklebeast's channel
This time around, there is no open registration. This is not because it wasn't successful last time, but simply because the unknown element of time for an altered TvT format. Don't worry guys, we'll surely have more for you coming soon. 
+ Show Spoiler [Maps] +Round of 8: Othello, Neo Electric Circuit, Outsider SE, Destination, Neo Outlier
Semi-Finals: New Sniper Ridge, Neo Chain Reaction, Neo Aztec, New Ground Zero, New Bloody Ridge
Third and Fourth: Othello, Neo Electric Circuit, Outsider SE, Destination, Neo Outlier
Finals: Neo Jade, Outsider SE, Neo Outlier, Othello, Neo Chain Reaction, Neo Electric Circuit, Destination
As per norm with our generous sponsor, Ribbon, all tours have a dedicated $100 prizepool.
1st: $50
2nd: $30
3rd: $20
4th: A teddy bear hug on Skype
+ Show Spoiler [Rules] +
* All Players are subject to administrative discretion.
* Do not build more than 1 factory at any given time. If you lose your factory, you may rebuild it.
* All replays must be sent to RibbonsMirror@gmail.com immediately after the completion of a round. The winner must send in both wins and losses. Failure to do so will result in replacement.
* All games must be played on Fish Server using Mini-Launcher or ChaosLauncher.
* No Korean IP addresses.
* WalkOvers for entire sets will be based on a 7 minute timer. For a best of 3, 21 minutes. Best of 5, 35 minutes, etc. Since this wasn't clear last tournament, if a player pauses or goes afk, you cannot unpause or expect a walkover for 7 minutes.
* This is a one day tournament. The only match that will even be considered for postponement will be the finals.
Organization: LRM)Game
Sponsor: Ribbon
Graphics: Shiroiusagi
Caster: Hacklebeast
Server: Fish
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Here we go.
BBS, 2port, nuke rush, and ...
without a substantial tank force, we could actually see some MnM.
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Sounds even better than the no spire zvz tournament.
Why wasn't the registration priority given to players who play Terran as a main race ?
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Haha this sounds great! Would love to see nukes.
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On September 19 2012 10:46 endy wrote:
Sounds even better than the no spire zvz tournament.
Why wasn't the registration priority given to players who play Terran as a main race ?
1) The non-T players there can play all 3 races at a high level.
2) At least 2 people won't show up, so the reserves will most likely play.
3) It was whoever responded first.
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Gonna be awesome and hacklebeast casting again so nice
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On September 19 2012 11:00 sGs.Ouzo wrote:
Gonna be awesome and hacklebeast casting again so nice
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On September 19 2012 11:00 sGs.Ouzo wrote:
Gonna be awesome and hacklebeast casting again so nice
Thanks 
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No Bibiane or Karateboy =(
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Quick rule clarification: It's one factory at any one time. If it dies, you can rebuild it.
And, of course, you're allowed to use it however you wish.
Just thought I'd make that crystal clear before anyone got confused
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On September 19 2012 13:03 Shotcoder wrote:
No Bibiane or Karateboy =(
Neither replied.
@Ribbon WHOOPSY
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(Also, if anyone has any great ideas for the PvP tournament, please PM me. We have ideas, but I'm open to suggestions)
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On September 19 2012 10:22 Game wrote:
* WalkOvers for entire sets will be based on a 7 minute timer. For a best of 3, 21 minutes. Best of 5, 35 minutes, etc. Since this wasn't clear last tournament, if a player pauses or goes afk, you cannot unpause or expect a walkover for 7 minutes.
I think this rule could be written more comprehensively, because right now, it's kind of confusing. I'm not even going to try and dissect why the walkover rules for latecomers/afk people is in the same category as paused-game players.
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every time you delay games from being played by an increment 7 minutes, you lose one game. There was only one person who had a problem with that rule last time.
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Here we go again. I really enjoyed No Spire ZvZ series, hope this tournament turns out to be better! I can't even begin to imagine the possibilities unlike the previous tournament
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On September 19 2012 14:00 hacklebeast wrote:
every time you delay games from being played by an increment 7 minutes, you lose one game. There was only one person who had a problem with that rule last time.
Actually, that sounds really reasonable and practical.
In the case of Eonzerg, his issue was that his opponent paused the game suddenly, without letting him know that the game was going to be paused. It wasn't until Eonzerg unpaused that his opponent said "I need 4 minutes, manner". There was no specific rule regarding pause protocol, and since Technics continued to play, so I'm not sure why Eonzerg was disqualified, even though he won 2-1 over Technics.
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On September 19 2012 14:11 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 14:00 hacklebeast wrote:
every time you delay games from being played by an increment 7 minutes, you lose one game. There was only one person who had a problem with that rule last time. Actually, that sounds really reasonable and practical. In the case of Eonzerg, his issue was that his opponent paused the game suddenly, without letting him know that the game was going to be paused. It wasn't until Eonzerg unpaused that his opponent said "I need 4 minutes, manner". There was no specific rule regarding pause protocol, and since Technics continued to play, so I'm not sure why Eonzerg was disqualified, even though he won 2-1 over Technics.
You're wrong.
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On September 19 2012 14:15 Game wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 14:11 ninazerg wrote:On September 19 2012 14:00 hacklebeast wrote:
every time you delay games from being played by an increment 7 minutes, you lose one game. There was only one person who had a problem with that rule last time. Actually, that sounds really reasonable and practical. In the case of Eonzerg, his issue was that his opponent paused the game suddenly, without letting him know that the game was going to be paused. It wasn't until Eonzerg unpaused that his opponent said "I need 4 minutes, manner". There was no specific rule regarding pause protocol, and since Technics continued to play, so I'm not sure why Eonzerg was disqualified, even though he won 2-1 over Technics. You're wrong.
Oh, nevermind then.
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On September 19 2012 14:15 Game wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 14:11 ninazerg wrote:On September 19 2012 14:00 hacklebeast wrote:
every time you delay games from being played by an increment 7 minutes, you lose one game. There was only one person who had a problem with that rule last time. Actually, that sounds really reasonable and practical. In the case of Eonzerg, his issue was that his opponent paused the game suddenly, without letting him know that the game was going to be paused. It wasn't until Eonzerg unpaused that his opponent said "I need 4 minutes, manner". There was no specific rule regarding pause protocol, and since Technics continued to play, so I'm not sure why Eonzerg was disqualified, even though he won 2-1 over Technics. You're wrong.
No U
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next time 1gate pvp tourny?
+ Show Spoiler +that'd be a madness of dt rushes or scout rushes or 2robo reaver stuff, it'd be... amazing weird even compared to no spire zvz and this will probally be determined with mass wraiths
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1 gate might be a little extreme. I think it would force air because air is a hard counter to any significant reaver play, and it would be able to out mussel any goon/archon army that could be created off of one gate. It would be really cool the first few times, especially with some clutch maelstroms thrown in there, but I think an entire tournament of it would get stale.
What you really want is a limitation that creates more options than it closes off. So no goon could work, because quick zealot attacks or large archon forces could potentially stop air dominance.
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+ Show Spoiler +1 gate PvP will be corsair-reaver.
A group of corsairs get the splash on a ton of interceptors attacking a single corsair and 1k minerals down the drain o.O
and cannon rush ofc
I wonder if we will see ghosts...
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this is pretty sweet and will encourage bio play  nice !
GO GO CHOOSY !!! :D
next - only stargate PvP please !
edit : also for all tournaments, the maps are quite the same.. which makes me sad ;( we have so many maps to choose from..
what about maps like - Tornado, Fortress, Judgement Day, La Mancha, Grand Line, Monte Christo, Polaris Rhapsody etc they are not old and they were played in PL or StarLeagues I would love if some organizers use them !
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I'm cheering for dOTY even tho he is offracing!
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On September 19 2012 15:32 Sinedd wrote:this is pretty sweet and will encourage bio play nice ! GO GO CHOOSY !!! :D next - only stargate PvP please ! edit : also for all tournaments, the maps are quite the same.. which makes me sad ;( we have so many maps to choose from.. what about maps like - Tornado, Fortress, Judgement Day, La Mancha, Grand Line, Monte Christo, Polaris Rhapsody etc they are not old and they were played in PL or StarLeagues I would love if some organizers use them !
No Gateway unit PvP sounds interesting!
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On September 19 2012 16:48 thezanursic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 15:32 Sinedd wrote:this is pretty sweet and will encourage bio play nice ! GO GO CHOOSY !!! :D next - only stargate PvP please ! edit : also for all tournaments, the maps are quite the same.. which makes me sad ;( we have so many maps to choose from.. what about maps like - Tornado, Fortress, Judgement Day, La Mancha, Grand Line, Monte Christo, Polaris Rhapsody etc they are not old and they were played in PL or StarLeagues I would love if some organizers use them ! No Gateway unit PvP sounds interesting!
I love La Mancha and GrandLine, no one else does though 
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On September 19 2012 16:48 thezanursic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 15:32 Sinedd wrote:this is pretty sweet and will encourage bio play nice ! GO GO CHOOSY !!! :D next - only stargate PvP please ! edit : also for all tournaments, the maps are quite the same.. which makes me sad ;( we have so many maps to choose from.. what about maps like - Tornado, Fortress, Judgement Day, La Mancha, Grand Line, Monte Christo, Polaris Rhapsody etc they are not old and they were played in PL or StarLeagues I would love if some organizers use them ! No Gateway unit PvP sounds interesting!
indeed bro ! indeed ! :D
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On September 19 2012 19:04 Game wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 16:48 thezanursic wrote:On September 19 2012 15:32 Sinedd wrote:this is pretty sweet and will encourage bio play nice ! GO GO CHOOSY !!! :D next - only stargate PvP please ! edit : also for all tournaments, the maps are quite the same.. which makes me sad ;( we have so many maps to choose from.. what about maps like - Tornado, Fortress, Judgement Day, La Mancha, Grand Line, Monte Christo, Polaris Rhapsody etc they are not old and they were played in PL or StarLeagues I would love if some organizers use them ! No Gateway unit PvP sounds interesting! I love La Mancha and GrandLine, no one else does though
thats a damn shame.. they're really awesome maps
we need tournament organizers to use different maps, that would be awesome and we would see alot of good games and different strats
also - its not like those maps arent balanced or something..
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On September 19 2012 19:04 Game wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 16:48 thezanursic wrote:On September 19 2012 15:32 Sinedd wrote:this is pretty sweet and will encourage bio play nice ! GO GO CHOOSY !!! :D next - only stargate PvP please ! edit : also for all tournaments, the maps are quite the same.. which makes me sad ;( we have so many maps to choose from.. what about maps like - Tornado, Fortress, Judgement Day, La Mancha, Grand Line, Monte Christo, Polaris Rhapsody etc they are not old and they were played in PL or StarLeagues I would love if some organizers use them ! No Gateway unit PvP sounds interesting! I love La Mancha and GrandLine, no one else does though
Why not use La Mancha and GrandLine instead of Othello and Destination? La Mancha and GrandLine are way more up to date and less imbalanced
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On September 19 2012 21:24 LML wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 19:04 Game wrote:On September 19 2012 16:48 thezanursic wrote:On September 19 2012 15:32 Sinedd wrote:this is pretty sweet and will encourage bio play nice ! GO GO CHOOSY !!! :D next - only stargate PvP please ! edit : also for all tournaments, the maps are quite the same.. which makes me sad ;( we have so many maps to choose from.. what about maps like - Tornado, Fortress, Judgement Day, La Mancha, Grand Line, Monte Christo, Polaris Rhapsody etc they are not old and they were played in PL or StarLeagues I would love if some organizers use them ! No Gateway unit PvP sounds interesting! I love La Mancha and GrandLine, no one else does though Why not use La Mancha and GrandLine instead of Othello and Destination? La Mancha and GrandLine are way more up to date and less imbalanced
YES PLEASE !!! :D
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On September 19 2012 13:19 Ribbon wrote:
(Also, if anyone has any great ideas for the PvP tournament, please PM me. We have ideas, but I'm open to suggestions)
On September 12 2012 21:39 Sayle wrote:Go PvP without units.
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On September 20 2012 02:39 Sayle wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 13:19 Ribbon wrote:
(Also, if anyone has any great ideas for the PvP tournament, please PM me. We have ideas, but I'm open to suggestions) Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 21:39 Sayle wrote:On September 12 2012 19:30 mca64[KDV] wrote:
go tvt without factory units Go PvP without units.
Cannon Rush vs Cannon rush?
Regarding maps: We've done some wacky map tournaments in the past, and we can do some wacky map tournaments in the future. I'm half seriously considering making my own map pool for a tournament. They'd be awful maps, but it'd probably be funny.
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or maybe browse through broodwarmaps.net and see if you find something controversial but probably not too badly balanced there;o
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On September 20 2012 08:01 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 02:39 Sayle wrote:On September 19 2012 13:19 Ribbon wrote:
(Also, if anyone has any great ideas for the PvP tournament, please PM me. We have ideas, but I'm open to suggestions) On September 12 2012 21:39 Sayle wrote:On September 12 2012 19:30 mca64[KDV] wrote:
go tvt without factory units Go PvP without units. Cannon Rush vs Cannon rush? Regarding maps: We've done some wacky map tournaments in the past, and we can do some wacky map tournaments in the future. I'm half seriously considering making my own map pool for a tournament. They'd be awful maps, but it'd probably be funny.
hmm.. I wouldnt consider either Grand Line or La Mancha as "wacky" they were played in PL and were pretty damn balanced..
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On September 19 2012 13:15 Game wrote:Neither replied.
4rela NbSky
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On September 20 2012 09:42 Game wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 13:15 Game wrote:On September 19 2012 13:03 Shotcoder wrote:
No Bibiane or Karateboy =( Neither replied. 4rela NbSky
reading is hard man...
How about something like 2 gateway PvP? 1 gateway doesnt seem like enough.
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Is everyone gonna go 1 Fact Tanks, or will the Gundam build work :O?
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Are you allowed to start rebuilding your factory if you think it's going to get destroyed (and cancel if you manage to save it), or do you have to wait for your opponent to kill your factory for you to start rebuilding it?
Also, there was a discussion about this on the no spire zvz thread:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=364219¤tpage=4#73
Edit: For PvP I think no dragoons would be the best restriction.
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On September 20 2012 12:55 sundersoft wrote:Are you allowed to start rebuilding your factory if you think it's going to get destroyed (and cancel if you manage to save it), or do you have to wait for your opponent to kill your factory for you to start rebuilding it? Also, there was a discussion about this on the no spire zvz thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=364219¤tpage=4#73
No.
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Tank+turret+bunker defense and mass expo into BC+Valkyrie imba incoming! XD
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no robo PvP... gonna be some dt map control
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On September 20 2012 13:09 quirinus wrote:
Tank+turret+bunker defense and mass expo into BC+Valkyrie imba incoming! XD
If I don't see a firebat drop, I might cry.
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D: Excited to see what doty and michael come up with! Don't forget to put this event on the calendar pls pls?
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ONLY
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It will be epic I can assure you
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On September 21 2012 07:26 Game wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 13:09 quirinus wrote:
Tank+turret+bunker defense and mass expo into BC+Valkyrie imba incoming! XD If I don't see a firebat drop, I might cry.
I don't think anyone will do it, sadly. Maybe to entertain people. :<
Oh, and also, Vessels for Matrix and EMP on BCs/tanks.
Maybe if someone silly goes mm (not really viable imo) we *might* see Irradiate, but it's unlikely.
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Hahahha awesome tourney!! Wonder what the pvp one is gonna be.. No goons?
Or 1 gateway
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On September 22 2012 05:06 Kal_rA wrote:
Hahahha awesome tourney!! Wonder what the pvp one is gonna be.. No goons?
Or 1 gateway
...So... tempted... to say
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pvp no probes 
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Does "one factory" mean that they are only allowed to build one factory per game, or that they are allowed to have at most one factory at any given point during the game?
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One factory at any given time. Rebuilding is allowed
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"This kind of tournaments are a lot more fun than the normal ones. I don't know why people don't want to be in these. I wish all the ongoing tournaments had restrictions." - Michael
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PvP-proxy only (all attacking unit production buildings [gateway,robo,stargate] must be built outside any of your bases with a nexus)
If any player has a nexus and gateway/robo/stargate in the same base at once they lose.
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On September 23 2012 04:12 Game wrote:
"This kind of tournaments are a lot more fun than the normal ones. I don't know why people don't want to be in these. I wish all the ongoing tournaments had restrictions." - Michael
There's definitely an obviously a place for "normal" tournaments, but I don't ever intend to do another one . There'll always be some form of twist.
I do wish, though, that one of these tournaments would be scheduled at a time I could watch it D:
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will be open bracket in next similiar tourneys?
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will be open bracket in next similiar tourneys?
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will be open bracket in next similiar tourneys?
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50600 Posts
really liking how this is starting at prime time for me.
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How the hell are there only 24 viewers?! This is going to be so fricking awesome!
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guys guys tune-in. There' s:
+ Show Spoiler + battlecruisers versus marines+medics in TvT
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lol first game was fun, viewer count is rising too
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What, no penalty for cheating?
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next one - no gateway PvP please
I mean there would be only Stargates and robos
ahh ! the awesome air battles !
go for it ! :D
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On September 24 2012 01:05 Sinedd wrote:
next one - no gateway PvP please
I mean there would be only Stargates and robos
ahh ! the awesome air battles !
go for it ! :D
No only Reaver and High templar PvP and shuttle ofc!
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Thanks a lot for casting, hacklebeast!
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where are the VODs?
I demand
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Recommended games?
On September 24 2012 01:05 Sinedd wrote:
next one - no gateway PvP please
I mean there would be only Stargates and robos
ahh ! the awesome air battles !
go for it ! :D
You need a gateway to make any tech...
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On September 24 2012 01:05 Sinedd wrote:
next one - no gateway PvP please
I mean there would be only Stargates and robos
ahh ! the awesome air battles !
go for it ! :D
PvP with ribos and air only sounds cool :D
edit' or pvp with only sair reavers + shuttles
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stimmed marines in TvT??? you bet!!!
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this was a fun tournament
very different tvt
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Still waiting on the PvP one !
the most interesting of 3 imo !!!
go go go
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On October 05 2012 00:36 Sinedd wrote:
Still waiting on the PvP one !
the most interesting of 3 imo !!!
go go go
Well Game being the genius that he is got banned and I don't really know who is going to make the announcement now.
I think game is getting unbanned in like a month hahaha
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On October 05 2012 01:47 thezanursic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 00:36 Sinedd wrote:
Still waiting on the PvP one !
the most interesting of 3 imo !!!
go go go Well Game being the genius that he is got banned and I don't really know who is going to make the announcement now. I think game is getting unbanned in like a month hahaha
fuck.. T_T
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On October 05 2012 01:47 thezanursic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 00:36 Sinedd wrote:
Still waiting on the PvP one !
the most interesting of 3 imo !!!
go go go Well Game being the genius that he is got banned and I don't really know who is going to make the announcement now. I think game is getting unbanned in like a month hahaha
It's coming, just not this weekend. Don't worry about the announcement, someone will post a thread as normal.
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Still waiting for the PvP one... T_T
how many days of his sentence must Game still serve ?
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On October 05 2012 02:31 hacklebeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 01:47 thezanursic wrote:On October 05 2012 00:36 Sinedd wrote:
Still waiting on the PvP one !
the most interesting of 3 imo !!!
go go go Well Game being the genius that he is got banned and I don't really know who is going to make the announcement now. I think game is getting unbanned in like a month hahaha It's coming, just not this weekend. Don't worry about the announcement, someone will post a thread as normal.
This weekend? :D?
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I think that this idea is dead.. ;(
shame really..
I was looking forward to a PvP tournament as the most interesting..
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maybe read a couple of posts above you..
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I did..
and I waited alot
and theres still nothing
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I'm really looking forward to the next one. Is it coming soon?
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Game hasn't given me a date yet, and he is usually pretty good about giving me advance notice (at least 2 weeks) so, no. Not soon
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: /. Well I guess organizing the nation wars is a lot of work. but I really crave for something unique in the style of Ribbon tours. I mean Gem league will do a similar job, but in a different way.
Keep on doing what you are doing and stay amazing at it! *To hacklebeast and Game*
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I've just been busy with school. I have 3 tours I've neglected to release atm.
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On November 10 2012 09:37 Game wrote:
I've just been busy with school. I have 3 tours I've neglected to release atm.
Hmm... I guess that kinda makes me happy in a way. Is ISL 4 one of them :DDD (Don't answer that!)
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