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ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
August 12 2012 08:40 GMT
#341
On August 12 2012 17:38 IshinShishi wrote:
JD literally lost to dts, he lost around 50 drones to that.


Yea, he needed to attack right away after he got overseers to kill dts. Instead he idled around with less workers...

sc2 is a game of money since defenders advantage isnt as strong

and roaches
Jaedong :3
polishedturd
Profile Joined October 2010
United States505 Posts
August 12 2012 08:40 GMT
#342
does anyone remember the name of that rocker guy that always cheers for bisu?

its on the tip of my tongue but i cant remember it for the life of me
http://i.imgur.com/EbrnM.jpg
FuRong
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand3089 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-12 08:41:05
August 12 2012 08:40 GMT
#343
On August 12 2012 17:40 polishedturd wrote:
does anyone remember the name of that rocker guy that always cheers for bisu?

its on the tip of my tongue but i cant remember it for the life of me


Park Wan Gyu (박완규)
Don't hate the player, hate the game
rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
August 12 2012 08:40 GMT
#344
On August 12 2012 17:37 Nikon wrote:
[image loading]

For anyone interested.


Damn, that +20 differential of Woongjin o_O
"Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right!"
polishedturd
Profile Joined October 2010
United States505 Posts
August 12 2012 08:41 GMT
#345
On August 12 2012 17:40 FuRong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 17:40 polishedturd wrote:
does anyone remember the name of that rocker guy that always cheers for bisu?

its on the tip of my tongue but i cant remember it for the life of me


Park Wan Gyu.


much love <3
http://i.imgur.com/EbrnM.jpg
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
August 12 2012 08:41 GMT
#346
On August 12 2012 17:36 NguN wrote:
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On August 12 2012 17:18 Ribbon wrote:
On August 12 2012 17:10 NguN wrote:
On August 12 2012 17:04 Obelisco wrote:
Sea was like, huh i have eco advantage? better start suiciding scvs until i die


Any eco advantage was negated when Sea lost his hidden base.. PLUS all the units that died for almost nothing. The game was somewhat even a little in Bisu's favor because of army, and tech advantage (2 Collosus when no Vikings are out). But, Bisu then lost that lead when he threw away 2 collosus, and some gateway army.

Sea was probably like, I killed 2 collosus, most of the gateway army (especially Sentries) are gone, I have 5 rax full of production. If I pull some scv's I can kill the Protoss before they power up too much.

Not the most optimal strategy, but I can only imagine that's what he thought lol.


I know I'm harping on the Taeja thing, but he's playing a completely different game then other Terrans, and it's starting to convince me all the other PL and GSL Terrans are playing the game wrong, and that was a good example of wrong play. But I have trouble putting into words why. Day[9] did a daily on Taeja's TvZ where he talked about how everything Taeja did was not to do damage but to maintain control. I see bits of that in his TvP as well, where he only cares about killing Tripods/Templar and fuck the gateway units who gives a shit if I lose the battle. PL (and many GSL) players are all about "and then I kill him", but that way leads to overextension and throwing away leads.

If I were smarter, I feel like I could learn a lot of comparing the Bisu/Sea game to the Taeja/Yonghwa game earlier today.

edit: Day[9] daily in question: http://day9.tv/d/Day9/tvz-from-terran-perspective/


I'll have to watch the IM vs Liquid games from today to comment, but I Sea's decision making was indicative of bad play so to speak. MVP's done similiar things in the past similar to Sea (Parting vs MVP game 1, where MVP pulled scvs and attacked right before Storm finished, just showing some great insight from a great Terran player.

Sea knew that with him killing 2 Collosus, there was no way that Bisu would ever try and continue Collosus production as his main AoE damage, and his only choice was to move to Templar tech. This is evident when Sea had double Starport producing 3 Vikings. As soon as he killed the 2 Collosus, he made 3 medivacs. If Sea had moved out a little earlier (i.e. after killed 2 Collosus and pulled SCV's) we'd all be talking about how great Sea's SCV pull was an amazing decision, and how Bisu still hadn't won an SC2 game.


He didn't kill two Tripods, he only killed one, leaving the other with 4hp

And, anyway, if Sea was ahead, why all-in? It's a completely unneeded coinflip. He could've expanded, started getting ghosts, and maybe done a little drop/poke double-prong action to try and snipe a tech unit or two.

Pulling SCVs against splash is almost completely useless for what you're losing, and if Bisu doesn't have a lot of splash, then the bio army crushes the gateway army anyway. I see Terrans pulling SCVs lategame, but I never see it winning.
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
August 12 2012 08:42 GMT
#347
On August 12 2012 17:40 ReketSomething wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 17:38 IshinShishi wrote:
JD literally lost to dts, he lost around 50 drones to that.


Yea, he needed to attack right away after he got overseers to kill dts. Instead he idled around with less workers...

sc2 is a game of money since defenders advantage isnt as strong

and roaches


Not really. Sun commited a fuckton of zealots and shit to kill a hatch and 2 extractors. In return, JD sniped his third and some probes. Thing is, the dead hatch was at such a location that it didn't actually interrupt mining at that base fatally. It's just... nothing makes sense any more.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
August 12 2012 08:46 GMT
#348
On August 12 2012 17:42 Nikon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 17:40 ReketSomething wrote:
On August 12 2012 17:38 IshinShishi wrote:
JD literally lost to dts, he lost around 50 drones to that.


Yea, he needed to attack right away after he got overseers to kill dts. Instead he idled around with less workers...

sc2 is a game of money since defenders advantage isnt as strong

and roaches


Not really. Sun commited a fuckton of zealots and shit to kill a hatch and 2 extractors. In return, JD sniped his third and some probes. Thing is, the dead hatch was at such a location that it didn't actually interrupt mining at that base fatally. It's just... nothing makes sense any more.


Jaedong didn't have any gas mining. The extractors at the main were killed, the natural only had one drone on gas, and his 4th had extractors but no drones on them. (His third, I think, was fine). All he had were his pre-existing infestors, but they were out of energy.

It wasn't that the drop did a lot of damage, it was that Jaedong didn't recover properly.

Also, he was making corruptors during the attack, which was a total waste of gas, and he had no spines to fall back to.
elagrion
Profile Joined April 2010
Ukraine422 Posts
August 12 2012 08:47 GMT
#349
Is today a telecommunication day in Korea? =)
'Cos both telecoms team won, being underdogs (I never thought I would say underdogs in reference to SKT just a half year before)
Everything is a remix.
elagrion
Profile Joined April 2010
Ukraine422 Posts
August 12 2012 08:51 GMT
#350
On August 12 2012 17:40 ReketSomething wrote:
sc2 is a game of money since defenders advantage isnt as strong


Yeah, blizzards' designers focus on money clearly was to much.
Everything is a remix.
chuDr3t4
Profile Joined April 2010
Russian Federation484 Posts
August 12 2012 08:53 GMT
#351
On August 12 2012 17:35 Nikon wrote:
Also, another 3-3 results in a win -.-;;

Excuse me, but how is that a problem?
I live in Russia. I wear the fufaika, valenoks and the shapka-ushanka with the red star. I drink vodka straight from the samovar, and my riding bear plays on the balalaika.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
August 12 2012 08:58 GMT
#352
On August 12 2012 17:38 IshinShishi wrote:
JD literally lost to dts, he lost around 50 drones to that.

That might explain why JD lost to that push. He was remaking drones. I didn't know he lost that many, and assumed he would still be making army, so when Sun rolled up to the middle I thought JD had him, but JD's army was so much smaller than It should have been.
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Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
August 12 2012 09:05 GMT
#353
On August 12 2012 17:53 chuDr3t4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 17:35 Nikon wrote:
Also, another 3-3 results in a win -.-;;

Excuse me, but how is that a problem?

Clearly he thinks we should have extended series.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38198 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-12 09:06:23
August 12 2012 09:05 GMT
#354
On August 12 2012 17:58 Tachion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 17:38 IshinShishi wrote:
JD literally lost to dts, he lost around 50 drones to that.

That might explain why JD lost to that push. He was remaking drones. I didn't know he lost that many, and assumed he would still be making army, so when Sun rolled up to the middle I thought JD had him, but JD's army was so much smaller than It should have been.


He was at 40 drones or so when the final push happened and that was just after making a small round of them. Personally I think he just remade them too late because he was scared of Sun continuing to push earlier on (which is reasonable, hard call to make but I think Z should normally go for the greedy option). He had almost 20 larva he simply didn't have the income to use come the end of the game.
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
August 12 2012 09:11 GMT
#355
On August 12 2012 18:05 Dfgj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 17:53 chuDr3t4 wrote:
On August 12 2012 17:35 Nikon wrote:
Also, another 3-3 results in a win -.-;;

Excuse me, but how is that a problem?

Clearly he thinks we should have extended series.


How is it not a problem? T8 won 3 games, SKT T1 won 3 games, SKT T1 wins the match?
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38198 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-12 09:23:54
August 12 2012 09:23 GMT
#356
On August 12 2012 18:11 Nikon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 18:05 Dfgj wrote:
On August 12 2012 17:53 chuDr3t4 wrote:
On August 12 2012 17:35 Nikon wrote:
Also, another 3-3 results in a win -.-;;

Excuse me, but how is that a problem?

Clearly he thinks we should have extended series.


How is it not a problem? T8 won 3 games, SKT T1 won 3 games, SKT T1 wins the match?


The same way it's not a problem that T8 won 3 games and ACE won 3 games, but T8 won their match.

The format scores by set (bw / sc2 / ace) and it's the same for everyone.
chuDr3t4
Profile Joined April 2010
Russian Federation484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-12 09:41:16
August 12 2012 09:27 GMT
#357
On August 12 2012 18:11 Nikon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 18:05 Dfgj wrote:
On August 12 2012 17:53 chuDr3t4 wrote:
On August 12 2012 17:35 Nikon wrote:
Also, another 3-3 results in a win -.-;;

Excuse me, but how is that a problem?

Clearly he thinks we should have extended series.


How is it not a problem? T8 won 3 games, SKT T1 won 3 games, SKT T1 wins the match?

Learn the format before making comments like this plz.
Add: When the playoffs will begin and Bo3 match series results will be like that:
STX 4:0 Stars, STX 3:4 Stars, STX 2:4 Stars -> Stars advances
will you too comment something about how STX won 9:8 in games?
I live in Russia. I wear the fufaika, valenoks and the shapka-ushanka with the red star. I drink vodka straight from the samovar, and my riding bear plays on the balalaika.
elagrion
Profile Joined April 2010
Ukraine422 Posts
August 12 2012 10:25 GMT
#358
On August 12 2012 17:23 nkr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 17:21 ImNightmare wrote:
Jaedong so many female fans. Why don't I have any?


how many osl championships do you have?!

Bisu have 0, and have even more female fans (well yeah, there is 3 MSL and bunch of other stuff, that might help).
Everything is a remix.
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
August 12 2012 10:41 GMT
#359
On August 12 2012 19:25 elagrion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 17:23 nkr wrote:
On August 12 2012 17:21 ImNightmare wrote:
Jaedong so many female fans. Why don't I have any?


how many osl championships do you have?!

Bisu have 0, and have even more female fans (well yeah, there is 3 MSL and bunch of other stuff, that might help).

No, he hasn't.
Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-12 11:42:29
August 12 2012 10:42 GMT
#360
On August 12 2012 18:23 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 18:11 Nikon wrote:
On August 12 2012 18:05 Dfgj wrote:
On August 12 2012 17:53 chuDr3t4 wrote:
On August 12 2012 17:35 Nikon wrote:
Also, another 3-3 results in a win -.-;;

Excuse me, but how is that a problem?

Clearly he thinks we should have extended series.


How is it not a problem? T8 won 3 games, SKT T1 won 3 games, SKT T1 wins the match?


The same way it's not a problem that T8 won 3 games and ACE won 3 games, but T8 won their match.

The format scores by set (bw / sc2 / ace) and it's the same for everyone.

You could compare it to Tennis if that makes it easier for you. You win by sets, not games.
Player A vs Player B
A Wins first set 6-0
B wins second set 7-6(tiebreak)
B wins second set 7-6(tiebreak)

Player A have won 18 games while Player B has won 14 games, yet he wins the match with set score of 2-1.

BW set = 1 point
SC2 set = 1 point
Ace set = 1 point
SKT1 won 2 sets.
Team8 won 1 set.
Final score 2-1.

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