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MountainDewJunkie
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SK Planet Proleague Round 2 Week 4 CJ Entus vs Woongjin Stars July 8th, 12:00 KST Brood War Bo3: Neo Jade Neo Ground Zero Neo Electric Circuit SC2 Bo3: Entombed Valley Ohana Antiga Shipyard Ace Match (SC2): Cloud Kingdom Join us! http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Sayle Results + Show Spoiler + SkyHigh > Light Hero[join] < Soulkey Effort > Shy CJ wins the BW Bo3 Leta < Flying Snow < honSin Stars wins SC2 Bo3 Effort > Soulkey CJ wins! | ||
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X10A
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vs Light for Stars | ||
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X10A
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SkyHigh pressuring Light with a vulture and two marines Light has no offensive units left Delays the CC, may force the cancel | ||
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X10A
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Skyhigh poking down some scvs 5 kill vulture -_- face fighting <3 Second fact done for light, second fact just starting for Skyhigh | ||
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X10A
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Four facts on the way for him also Light's nat is finally up and running now I think SkyHigh's was up for the entire duration of his vulture pressure Speed vultures moving out, 4 of them Third fact being added for Light | ||
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haka
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X10A
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Microing the vultures perfectly to keep them alive Four vultures vultures get into the main, 3 in the nat Tons of scvs going down One tank going to clean up, but more and more vultures streaming | ||
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X10A
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Two tanks out, but one falls to the mass vultures Mines just finish now too being laid at the top of Light's ramp CC getting focused down at Light's nat Academy is up, and comsats are up Siege mode not done yet | ||
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X10A
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Two port follow up for Skyhigh CC still taking tons of fire, but he pulls back with his vultures Wraiths being produced out of the ports now Armory being added for Light | ||
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X10A
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Acad and comsats added too for Skyhigh, clears the mine field Skyhigh and Light engage in the middle of the map The Three naked tanks get torn though 73-36 supply Light in a ton of trouble, no defenses to speak of | ||
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X10A
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Three wraiths out, Skyhigh should just fly them over Tanks just rallied to the top of the ramp, as a second dies GG from Light Skyhigh takes set 1 in BW for CJ 1-0 | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
missed set 1 but doesn't look like I missed much. le sigh. | ||
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X10A
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vs Soulkey for Stars | ||
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N.geNuity
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Release
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:28 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Well, here we are... all 3 of us. Yeah, where did everybody go  The last few Proleague games have actually had really good BW sets, (and even decent-to-good SC2) so people are missing out | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
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I made this LR thread 11 minutes after the games started. | ||
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X10A
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X10A
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Soulkey white zerg 5 oclock | ||
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N.geNuity
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X10A
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Pool first for Soulkey, 9 pool gas Hero going to get the overlord scout advantage No pool for Hero just yet maybe hatch first | ||
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X10A
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Oh boy Lair morphing for Soulkey, no speed | ||
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X10A
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Hero pulling drones, Hatch is goign to go down One drone falls Hatchery falls Hero in tons and tons of trouble now Lings out for Hero now too | ||
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X10A
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No lair in sight for Hero Soulkey saving larva, spire just about done Hero retook his hatchery, Soulkey has ling speed | ||
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X10A
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Soulkey expos behind his Ling pressure, and buying time for his mutas to come out Soulkey gets the runby into Hero's main A spore is finished at the nat, a sunken is morphing in the main of Hero | ||
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
GG from Hero Soulkey evens it out 1-1 | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
not that it was a battle anyways. | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
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KamMoye
United States721 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:40 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Could it more more clear that the fans have given up on proleague? There are no fans in the audience, there are no SC2 fans watching (and no SC2 LR threads), and the BW fans has whittled down to 3 KT fans, an STX fan, and X10A. I made this LR thread 11 minutes after the games started. I'm still here. | ||
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:49 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Updates to LR will be slow; I'm cooking! Please do share <3 I miss everyone getting along and singing and dancing and posting in threads | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10341 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:51 X10A wrote: Please do share <3 I miss everyone getting along and singing and dancing and posting in threads Fish tacos; beer battered cod, avocado, cilantro, tomato, fried potatoes, homemade queso, with corn tortillas. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:40 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Could it more more clear that the fans have given up on proleague? There are no fans in the audience, there are no SC2 fans watching (and no SC2 LR threads), and the BW fans has whittled down to 3 KT fans, an STX fan, and X10A. I made this LR thread 11 minutes after the games started. On July 08 2012 12:41 N.geNuity wrote: eh, cuz the excitement of maybe getting one decent BW set (or sctoo set, I guess for hardcore fans of that) is far outweighed by either having stuff to do or not caring. KeSPA tried to please everyone and they ended up pleasing no-one, really. They need to take some action, I think. At the very least, they need to update the SC2 map pool (it's all small-to-medium maps. Put Whirlwind in, take maybe Ohana out). I don't even know what they can do on the BW side at this point, though. It's only a few more weeks before KeSPA players have to face GSL players (Monday, if you count the show matches, but no one takes those that seriously). If they get trounced, I think that's almost it for Proleague. There's no way they can survive as a poor man's GSTL. I don't know if they could've saved it through BW somehow (maybe tried to renegotiate with Blizzard, who no longer really needs them), but the switch to SC2 is starting to turn into a disaster. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:53 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Fish tacos; beer battered cod, avocado, cilantro, tomato, fried potatoes, homemade queso, with corn tortillas. sounds interesting but will it taste good ? | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10341 Posts
I make this every week | ||
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Xiphos
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X10A
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vs Shy for Stars | ||
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N.geNuity
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VGhost
United States3613 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:55 Ribbon wrote: KeSPA tried to please everyone and they ended up pleasing no-one, really. They need to take some action, I think. At the very least, they need to update the SC2 map pool (it's all small-to-medium maps. Put Whirlwind in, take maybe Ohana out). I don't even know what they can do on the BW side at this point, though. It's only a few more weeks before KeSPA players have to face GSL players (Monday, if you count the show matches, but no one takes those that seriously). If they get trounced, I think that's almost it for Proleague. There's no way they can survive as a poor man's GSTL. I don't know if they could've saved it through BW somehow (maybe tried to renegotiate with Blizzard, who no longer really needs them), but the switch to SC2 is starting to turn into a disaster. The thing is, GSTL format is kind of retarded for a teamleague. I think the bigger sponsors (say, a KHAN-SKT-STX cabal) have the clout to impose a reasonable format on KeSPA, while I don't see the GSL gogogogo format working long-term. So what I'm really afraid of now is that the sponsors don't care and contracts will simply run out and then... who knows. | ||
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chongu
Malaysia2585 Posts
Effort!! fighting!! | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:59 Xiphos wrote: Well they could have separated SC2 PL and a BW one but nooooo, they have to shoot themselves in the foot. There'd be no point in doing it that way. All the big BW names would just stay in BW, so they'd only suck the future out of BW even more to create an SC2 league composed entirely of SC2 noobs who were also no-names. On July 08 2012 13:00 VGhost wrote: The thing is, GSTL format is kind of retarded for a teamleague. I think the bigger sponsors (say, a KHAN-SKT-STX cabal) have the clout to impose a reasonable format on KeSPA, while I don't see the GSL gogogogo format working long-term. So what I'm really afraid of now is that the sponsors don't care and contracts will simply run out and then... who knows. The GSTL format really does suck, but it's a lot easier for GOM to change it than for KeSPA to convince SC2 fans to care about KT Rolster. . | ||
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Ryo
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On July 08 2012 12:59 Xiphos wrote: Well they could have separated SC2 PL and a BW one but nooooo, they have to shoot themselves in the foot. S.Korea will still be big in ESPORT for SC2 and LoL but after that point, its only downhill. The truth is that once fans realised Kespa was going to completely replace BW, even the diehard ones started to move on. | ||
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X10A
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Shy- red toss 1 oclock | ||
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X10A
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Oh boy Pool first from Effort, taking his natural now too Shy not going to scout Effort first, scouts cross positions first | ||
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Obelisco
Peru1962 Posts
On July 08 2012 13:00 VGhost wrote: The thing is, GSTL format is kind of retarded for a teamleague. I think the bigger sponsors (say, a KHAN-SKT-STX cabal) have the clout to impose a reasonable format on KeSPA, while I don't see the GSL gogogogo format working long-term. So what I'm really afraid of now is that the sponsors don't care and contracts will simply run out and then... who knows. yea. I dont like an ODT and all-kill format for a teamleague. For some reason, in SC2/Gom seems individual tournaments are given a much higher priority while BW/Ogn gives a higher importance to teams through Proleague. Im still not sure what will the consecuences of this will be, but establishing teams will be difficult if they are less important in competitions | ||
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X10A
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Two lings out for Effort Not going to be enough for the zealot Zealot pulls back, holds back and headed to try and get hidden Third for Effort at the mineral only Natural warping in for Shy | ||
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X10A
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Forge and cannon warping in now after nexus at the wall Lair morphing now for Effort Ling almost picks off a single probe Not a tight wall, ling manages to slip in Core half way done | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On July 08 2012 13:04 Obelisco wrote: yea. I dont like an ODT and all-kill format for a teamleague. For some reason, in SC2/Gom seems individual tournaments are given a much higher priority while BW/Ogn gives a higher importance to teams through Proleague. Im still not sure what will the consecuences of this will be, but establishing teams will be difficult if they are less important in competitions GSTL is a terrible teamleague. The first couple were great, then they went away from round robin groups for reasons that aren't at all clear to me, and instead chose a horribly confusing and anti-climactic format. Plus GOM runs what feels like 20 events a year, which really waters down the history and the build. | ||
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X10A
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Stargate being added now toos Effort's ling sitll running around Spire is morphing in too I think? Core spinning | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On July 08 2012 13:01 Ryo wrote: The truth is that once fans realised Kespa was going to completely replace BW, even the diehard ones started to move on. In part due to the format. While SC2 is considered less interesting that BW (except for the rare game where all the stars align) generally, SPL SC2 has been unusually bad SC2. So, while there were always going to be people who just didn't like SC2, KeSPA wasn't exactly making a case for it. The KeSPA obs is also, I'm noticing, pretty bad with SC2. Lizzy had a game last night, and did all kinds of constant nonstop harass all over the map (unusual for SC2 protoss), and the KeSPA obs missed pretty much all of it. He just stared at Lizzy's army in the middle of the map until suddenly Zerg didn't have a main or natural. It was like he was purposefully trying to keep the game from being interesting as some form of BW supremacist. | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:55 Ribbon wrote: KeSPA tried to please everyone and they ended up pleasing no-one, really. They need to take some action, I think. At the very least, they need to update the SC2 map pool (it's all small-to-medium maps. Put Whirlwind in, take maybe Ohana out). I don't even know what they can do on the BW side at this point, though. nah kespa just ignores what people want and do what some corporate sponsor wants. I don't really blame them for having to switch to sc2 (various reasons of sponsorship for bw drying up; everyone who bothers to show up in this thread knows those reasons lol) but it's pretty obvious everyone knew a mixed format would be shitty. But, I also refer to start of season 1 where they ignored fan's pretty resounding results on fomos (wanting bo7, winners league etc) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=275033 as well as ignoring bo7 from progamers (though there is some concern for the amount of bo7s a week, they still wanted bo7. and some coaches wanted winner's league reduced, but not eliminated) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274673 though admittedly, poll results from fomos was hardly a fraction of the viewership base. | ||
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X10A
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One overlord falls Scourge pop out of the eggs as the corsair flies away Another corsair is poking away at an overlord, but leaves it alive | ||
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Obelisco
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On July 08 2012 13:06 tree.hugger wrote: GSTL is a terrible teamleague. The first couple were great, then they went away from round robin groups for reasons that aren't at all clear to me, and instead chose a horribly confusing and anti-climactic format. Plus GOM runs what feels like 20 events a year, which really waters down the history and the build. Yes, maybe there are way too many tournaments. Gom should run an stable season- teamleague instead of a short volatile one. Gom gives too much priority to individual tournaments | ||
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X10A
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+1 speedlots running into the nat area of Effort Second gate being added, templar tech is up | ||
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X10A
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Four lings get into the main DT is out on the field, among the hydras Hydras moving to try and bust the nat, but the DT forces the group to pull back Effort taking 12 oclock as a fourth | ||
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Xiphos
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On July 08 2012 13:01 Ryo wrote: The truth is that once fans realised Kespa was going to completely replace BW, even the diehard ones started to move on. That's where Kespa have been doing wrong. They should have kept the fans in the dark in situations like this if Diehard ones wanted to move on. They should even told the players at the beginning of this OSL that this SHALL BE THE LAST OSL. For god's sake, they announced it like shortly after Group Stage. Do any of you know how depressed must some players be for believing that they might have a second strike after this one (cough Bisu cough)? Effort didn't even pass the Prelimries! Jaedong is knocked out at group stage! If they announced to the players this news, the level of play will skyrocket like no tomorrow, everybody fighting their absolute best for it. But now so many players got the short end of stick. Fuck man, fuck kespa. | ||
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X10A
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Lurker eggs morphing, wanting to break the back door Shy has a storm, some lings and a few hydras fall One cannon falls too, only three? left Corsair fleet is going to take out a few overlord, up to 7? | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
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Ribbon
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On July 08 2012 13:04 Obelisco wrote: yea. I dont like an ODT and all-kill format for a teamleague. For some reason, in SC2/Gom seems individual tournaments are given a much higher priority while BW/Ogn gives a higher importance to teams through Proleague. Im still not sure what will the consecuences of this will be, but establishing teams will be difficult if they are less important in competitions It's gotten to the point where individual players are getting sponsorships, instead of teams. But a lot of SC2 stars made their names in the Team League back when it was treated seriously (MMA, DRG). I think it makes the scene less stable, honestly. Players can have off days more easily than whole teams can. On July 08 2012 13:07 N.geNuity wrote: nah kespa just ignores what people want and do what some corporate sponsor wants. I don't really blame them for having to switch to sc2 (various reasons of sponsorship for bw drying up; everyone who bothers to show up in this thread knows those reasons lol) but it's pretty obvious everyone knew a mixed format would be shitty. But, I also refer to start of season 1 where they fan's pretty resounding results on fomos (wanting bo7, winners league etc) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=275033 as well as ignoring bo7 from progamers (though there is some concern for the amount of bo7s a week, they still wanted bo7. and some coaches wanted winner's league reduced, but not eliminated) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274673 KeSPA's always been kind of douchey, but they're not going to be able to get away with it now that they'll have real competition. | ||
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X10A
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Hive is morphing in Shuttle loving out for Shy towards the 11 oclock | ||
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Effort has no forces to clear off anything Zealots and a DT are going to get ferried into the mineral only of Effort Effort supply capped at 99/87 supply DT going to rape the mineral line in the main 5 drone kills I think | ||
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X10A
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Shy adding a ton of gates, and robo is up Lurkers get cleared out of the mineral only backdoor | ||
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VGhost
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Also reavers please. | ||
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X10A
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Shy looking to take a fourth at 3 oclock Cracklings try to counter, but zealots and a goon are there to defend +2 attack done for Shy 1-1 for melee, 1-0 for ranged zerg I think Forge spinning | ||
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X10A
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Pretty indecisive, Effort oging for a big crackling counter at the 3 oclock Storm but it doesn't kill anything Three HT and one bad storm between them Lings eat through a few cannons, but Effort's force gets cleaned up | ||
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X10A
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Drones getting transferred, get killed off Huge plague on Shy's army Storm on the lings try Effort tries to surround the army with 7 oclock did have a hatch and it fell apparently o.o | ||
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Huge storm on the lings But three overlord drop into there too! Not enough cracklings to do anything | ||
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7 oclock going to get denied yet again +3 weapons for Shy 2-2 for melee Ultra Cavern is up | ||
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fire_brand
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Knew that drop was coming. Preempted the attack at his fourth. It's close, but he seems to be dictating play now. | ||
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X10A
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Huge drop in the main of Shy Catching a ton of HT just warping in from Aiur Lings running into the mineral only too Towards the 7 oclock too! The army at 7 oclock gets destroyed, and the main drop finally gets cleaned up | ||
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X10A
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0-1-3 for Shy's upgrades 7 oclock is finally taken Effort dropping yet again into the main The gates are getting crushed Shy is totally out of position | ||
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fire_brand
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Gates not powered. Shy back in his base. Another drop from effort damaging production again. Repulsed fairly easily. Complete reversal of roles, Shy on the defensive. Drop after drop from effort, Shy falling apart. | ||
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X10A
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Citadel gets sniped too! 7 oclock getting countered by Shy Effort finally has a lead in supply 144-136 | ||
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haka
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X10A
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So good So scary Ultras are out now. Holy ow No reavers in sight, no more archons for the time being | ||
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fire_brand
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Big attack coming. Not much hope for Shy. | ||
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X10A
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Goes up to 30 before death by Cow Shy looking like he's very flustered Mineral only falls GG from Shy Effort my captain <3 | ||
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fire_brand
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Bottom left expansions untouched and powered Effort through. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On July 08 2012 13:24 VGhost wrote: And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why you go reavers vs. Zerg. effort drop actually played a huge factor in shy's lost in this game . | ||
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Xiphos
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Shy forgot to take care of those extra units at the left bottom corner lol Shy didn't coordinate well when he did the elevator, too slow with it, should have went in right after Zealots got dropped. Effort would be distracted and wouldn't have lost 3 HTs to those Zerglings. But applaud to Effort. | ||
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P7GAB
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On July 08 2012 13:28 blade55555 wrote: What are the results overall? I see OP not updating so thanks in advance :D + Show Spoiler + bw skyhigh > Light hero < Soulkey effort > shy | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
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On July 08 2012 13:37 Xiphos wrote: >.< I see two guys from the audience getting up and leave! So how many people does that leave? Six? | ||
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Sawamura
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http://www.twitch.tv/jinwoong4825 On July 08 2012 13:46 SeeKeR wrote: How come I've seen two ProLeague threads now without [SPL] in the title? Some times LR op forgot they need to put the spl. | ||
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Xiphos
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On July 08 2012 13:42 MountainDewJunkie wrote: So how many people does that leave? Six? Pretty much at every single weekend like on Saturday, fans will show up in hoping for ggs. Like last weekend, it was almost filled up or yesterday to a lesser extend (seats were filled but the stands are almost empty) and then on Sunday, the stadium would be almost deserted! Like in round 1, there is a Khan game where all you saw was a middle age man with his son, 2 teenage guys and 1 row (so around 5) Stork's fangirls. Then after BW's game, the middle age man left the audience which leaves exactly 7 people in total. The most depressing sight I have seen in ProLeague. And then you would go watch OSL live. Group stages, Round of 8, all of them are packed tightly with loud cheers you would expect for a BW game. | ||
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Ribbon
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He's lucky that Flying is even more trash. What the fuck was that engagement. It takes like 2 APM to micro colossus. A small cat could do it better than flying. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Xiphos
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On July 08 2012 13:54 Ribbon wrote: Leta is trash. He's lucky that Flying is even more trash. What the fuck was that engagement. It takes like 2 APM to micro colossus. A small cat could do it better than flying. Maybe he was practicing BW! | ||
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Ribbon
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Well, he made mass ghosts and didn't EMP, after missing a minute-long timing window to just fucking kill Flying, and after EMPing a random spot like half a mile from any toss units. I'm actually getting angry at how bad these guys are. Why do I bother with SPL? They're not getting any better. | ||
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Motivate
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On July 08 2012 13:54 Ribbon wrote: Leta is trash. He's lucky that Flying is even more trash. What the fuck was that engagement. It takes like 2 APM to micro colossus. A small cat could do it better than flying. why does the cat have to be small? | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
You can tell in Leta's eyes that his passion is gone. I can totally see him retiring. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On July 08 2012 14:01 Xiphos wrote: Ribbon, don't believe that Kespa guys have any chance at SC2 vs Code S GSL players. Just don't. You can tell in Leta's eyes that his passion is gone. I can totally see him retiring. These chobos are 2010 Code A level. I feel bad for those people. I can't even laugh, it'd just be offensive. | ||
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Xiphos
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Kespa players will be allowed to join GSL Most of them will suck And surely retirement/military will ensue They will quit esport What will happen with ProLeague? After the rule of not taking any player from GOM teams wears off, the 6 rich sponsored team will purchase any guys from the existing S.Korea SC2 teams due to their high payment. Knocking out prob nearly all the BW guys. As stork said "if you don't do well in SC2, its over for you man." But what probably will happen in BW is that China and SK BW players will find each other online through Fish and VS Battle Platform, there will be a new spark of interest in China and clan wars will happen very often and we'll get 2 individual leagues. | ||
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
vs Hon_Sin TvT time | ||
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P7GAB
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Black[CAT]
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
On July 08 2012 14:13 P7GAB wrote: this should be a good game, honsin looked pretty good last tvp Snow plays terran in star2 Snow red terran 5 oclock Sin blue terran 11 oclock | ||
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
No gas for Sin, rax first, one rax fe I think | ||
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
CC is just about done for Sin, in base not on the low ground Fact just started for Sin too | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
The game wasn't code S level but it was pretty much foreigner level. After all, these players are all Masters/Grand masters in the ladder, they aren't scrubs and better than 99% of the posters here. | ||
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X10A
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Starport being added for Sin too, CC done Second and third rax being added for Snow Scan on Snow's tech path too | ||
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X10A
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Sin defends quite well AAship is out now too Tank and some marines going to push out to allow Sin to take his nat Siege mode on the way | ||
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X10A
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Snow loses a marine without doing much, but scouts the army Stim almost done for Snow, and ebay is just about done too Tank being rallied across the map too | ||
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X10A
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Sin catches a drop with his AAship, loses the AAship after the marines get unloaded Third CC is done Marine life upgrade is half way done, and Snow's own siege mode is just about finished | ||
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X10A
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Snow's +1 and marine life finishes now too 2 ebay for Sin Snow starting +1 armor now too Third CC just started for him also | ||
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X10A
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On July 08 2012 14:22 P7GAB wrote: wait what the fuck snow is terran now? In Starcraft 2, yes. Just like Calm was terran. | ||
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
Snow's tank count is low now, if not non-existant +2 attack started for Sin, nothing yet for Snow Third's are up for both players +1 mech weapons for Sin too, and +2 armor for bio | ||
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P7GAB
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
Four drop full of marines Tons of marines die to tank shells though No vision of the tanks, or no tanks in range to kill them off Marines picking off some add ons and buildings too Snow loses his starport and a rax or two | ||
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
Snow's upgrades are really behind Sin almost loses some tanks, but only half were unsieged Fourth base for Sin is floated over now too | ||
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X10A
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Fourth base under attack, before it turns into a CC with guns But it only gets to half health then it gets cleared up Drop at Sin's third Snow going to try and push through Sin's tank line, but it's spread too well | ||
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X10A
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Snow only at 2/2 I think Sin pushing into Snow's position, Snow not sieged up though Snow pushes into the line and Sin's army gets crushed | ||
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Obelisco
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
Pretty small engagement, Sin still on the back foot, but he has the bigger marine count CC with guns getting shelled by the tons of tanks Sin goign to try and kill off the army of Snow | ||
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poorcloud
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
Sin eating a ton of shells too Sin didn't try and kill off the army from the back side Sin tried to go for the counter, but his fourth falls regardless | ||
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X10A
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Upgrades are going to even out if Sin allows the game to continue Snow's segregated army gets killed off Fourth base of Snow gets foce lifted Marines snipe it off | ||
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P7GAB
Canada486 Posts
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Canada486 Posts
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
3/3 just about to finish up for Snow Tons of scvs having a rave, instead of mining Sin going to push into Snow's tanks, but Snow just going to attack into Sin's army, pulls back as the siege finishes | ||
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Peru1962 Posts
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
Supply still even, Snow starting to trail in resources, but still has the small advantage in supply Pretty big engagement, but the marines melt to the tanks Snow stims and rushes into kill a ton of tanks and healing dropships Marines run into the fourth of Sin, and kill off a few scvs | ||
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
Two tanks shelling a ton of marines at the fifth base of Snow, CC gets sniped again Snow going to get into the fourth of Sin yet again | ||
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
Sin going to push into the third of Snow now as that happens! Only marines to defend, maybe a few spread out tanks Base race? | ||
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X10A
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Sin just going to camp out the 4 oclock of Snow Snow's army gets surrounded yet again Snow down about 20 supply now | ||
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X10A
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Huge engagement, Snow gets the bigger shells off But Sin still has a 50 supply lead 5th base still untouched yet, Sin retaking his | ||
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X10A
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Snow going to hit borderline sub 100 supply Fourth and fifth are both going to go down Snow goign to fall I think here Marines beat unsieged tanks apparently, but only with healing dropship support | ||
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
Into the ace match now | ||
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Holgerius
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aznkukuboi
120 Posts
On July 08 2012 14:17 poorcloud wrote: Am i the only one who feel everyone calling these players trash are overreacting? I see no difference from these games compared to the homestory cup games between say Hasuobs and empire happy for example. People are just jumping on the bandwagon to trash these players or BW fans just want to feel justified by hoping their players suck at SC2 to show how bad a move it was. The game wasn't code S level but it was pretty much foreigner level. After all, these players are all Masters/Grand masters in the ladder, they aren't scrubs and better than 99% of the posters here. I think you are overestimating the players. Except for a select few, most of the BW players are diamond level right now. Any decent player can recognize that their knowledge in this game isn't at a top level. The ones who are masters are always the ace match players for the most part. They play quite well. | ||
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
vs Soulkey for Stars | ||
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PlosionCornu
Italy814 Posts
While weapons is obv the most important one of the two, pulling another shot from each tank, while being shot by fast attacking marines during flanks might prove itself to be valuable too. | ||
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polishedturd
United States505 Posts
On July 08 2012 14:42 aznkukuboi wrote: I think you are overestimating the players. Except for a select few, most of the BW players are diamond level right now. Any decent player can recognize that their knowledge in this game isn't at a top level. The ones who are masters are always the ace match players for the most part. They play quite well. rofl | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On July 08 2012 14:42 aznkukuboi wrote: I think you are overestimating the players. Except for a select few, most of the BW players are diamond level right now. Any decent player can recognize that their knowledge in this game isn't at a top level. The ones who are masters are always the ace match players for the most part. They play quite well. Diamond Players would not have been able to react that quickly to the hellion drop, or go into late game and macro well without stacking up tons of resources. I can't tell if your trolling because that statement is just ridiculous. | ||
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Canada7507 Posts
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aznkukuboi
120 Posts
On July 08 2012 14:46 poorcloud wrote: Diamond Players would not have been able to react that quickly to the hellion drop, or go into late game and macro well without stacking up tons of resources. I can't tell if your trolling because that statement is just ridiculous. Did you see fantasy last week in sc2? Do you really think that's master level play? | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10341 Posts
I've been tending to dinner, and beer. | ||
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polishedturd
United States505 Posts
On July 08 2012 14:48 aznkukuboi wrote: Did you see fantasy last week in sc2? Do you really think that's master level play? well shit bro, if fantasy is diamond maybe i should fly to korea and try out for skt then | ||
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Black[CAT]
Malaysia2589 Posts
On July 08 2012 14:48 aznkukuboi wrote: Did you see fantasy last week in sc2? Do you really think that's master level play? He is hardly practicing sc2. He definitely is aiming for the golden mouse this OSL. | ||
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P7GAB
Canada486 Posts
On July 08 2012 14:48 aznkukuboi wrote: Did you see fantasy last week in sc2? Do you really think that's master level play? Didnt he win with the proxy rax float ito bbyongs base | ||
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United States10341 Posts
On July 08 2012 14:50 Black[CAT] wrote: He is hardly practicing sc2. He definitely is aiming for the golden mouse this OSL. Impossible, he only has one OSL win, 3 OSL silvers | ||
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Stress
United States980 Posts
On July 08 2012 14:46 poorcloud wrote: Diamond Players would not have been able to react that quickly to the hellion drop, or go into late game and macro well without stacking up tons of resources. I can't tell if your trolling because that statement is just ridiculous. I'm pretty sure all that positional play I just watched in the TvT on Ohana was way better than what some random high ranked ladder hero could pull off. Calling these players diamond level is an insult. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
Same with Artosis. | ||
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
Soulkey blue zerg 5 oclock | ||
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
Effort going for 15 hatch pool and gas for both players too | ||
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
Queens out for both players to puke into the hatcheries for larva greenScarab building for Soulkey | ||
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X10A
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Evo being added for Soulkey, 1.5 tier hydra building for Effort +1 carapace for Soulkey | ||
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Obelisco
Peru1962 Posts
On July 08 2012 14:59 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Can someone tell me what the results were in the first SC2 games? The LR is really hard to follow with all the derailments, and the banning + Show Spoiler + Leta < Flying Snow < honSin | ||
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
Uh a queen dies? Effort's queen dies, saves the other Effort's lair is done, after Soulkey's 1.5 tier hydra speed on the way for both players +1 ranged attack for Effort | ||
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X10A
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+1 ranged attack for Soulkey now too 1.5 tier hydras spitting their acid at the third of Soulkey Effort has his third morphing in too | ||
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X10A
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Drones getting pulled off of Effort's third defileReavers out for both players Burrow done for Soulkey, +2 ranged attack for both players, Effort's slightly ahead | ||
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
Looks like it stopped the research o.o defileReaver in the army now for Soulkey A ton of Effort's defileReavers die, get a few ensnareplagues off You can ensnareplague while burrowed, thats cute and usefull Lings in the third of Soulkey too Oh man | ||
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
Tons of 1.5 tier hydras to catch them though More of them for Effort in Soulkey's third Effort trying for more and more backstabs Hydra den is up for Effort | ||
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polishedturd
United States505 Posts
On July 08 2012 15:06 X10A wrote: What's that on Effort's evo? contaminate ability from overseer. stops research/production for a certain amount of time | ||
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
Queen gets sniped, as well as a few drones Huge ensnareplague on the ramp I think I dislike ZvZ in star2 Soulkey on the retreat! | ||
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
Passive for now on both sides, but Soulkey has three burrowed defileReavers at Effort's 3rd and fourth base area, moving out now to try and pop some eggs | ||
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
2-1 for Soulkey, 2-2 for Effort 3-3 for Effort and Ultra Cavern for Effort | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:40 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Could it more more clear that the fans have given up on proleague? There are no fans in the audience, there are no SC2 fans watching (and no SC2 LR threads), and the BW fans has whittled down to 3 KT fans, an STX fan, and X10A. I made this LR thread 11 minutes after the games started. Woah. There is still a Woongjin fan here in the house. | ||
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
Stream freeze Effort's hydras dominate, no 1.5 tier left for hi at all Nine ultras in production, and +1 melee upgrading 3-3 done for Effort | ||
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haka
United States1414 Posts
WOOOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOO | ||
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Stress
United States980 Posts
On July 08 2012 15:14 X10A wrote: Ran to get the door, what happened? Effort engaged when he had a +3 timing against only +1 armor, won the fight on upgrades alone. Waited for the ultras to pop then went in for the kill. | ||
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Singapore2748 Posts
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
Well, I like both CJ and Stars so it's not that much, but I deeply I still wants Stars to hold the top spot T T | ||
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United States10328 Posts
On July 08 2012 15:16 Holgerius wrote: Effort is totally dominating the Kespa scene at the moment. :O well, he and roro are | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
I think Effort is better though, since he has pretty much amazing record in both BW and SC2. | ||
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:40 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Could it more more clear that the fans have given up on proleague? There are no fans in the audience, there are no SC2 fans watching (and no SC2 LR threads), and the BW fans has whittled down to 3 KT fans, an STX fan, and X10A. I made this LR thread 11 minutes after the games started. Well, I kinda overslept so I was unable to watch the start >_> But uhh... the situation is really bad. And the people that come in the LR thread only to insult the pros aren't helping it either. | ||
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jaQi
1121 Posts
On July 08 2012 15:28 Nikon wrote: Well, I kinda overslept so I was unable to watch the start >_> But uhh... the situation is really bad. And the people that come in the LR thread only to insult the pros aren't helping it either. There is not even a thread for ace vs t8, yesterdays match (SKT vs Samsung) had only 4-5 pages... Things have changed. | ||
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polishedturd
United States505 Posts
On July 08 2012 15:40 jaQi wrote: There is not even a thread for ace vs t8, yesterdays match (SKT vs Samsung) had only 4-5 pages... Things have changed. wtf i was wondering where the ace/t8 thread was T_T | ||
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oogieogie
United States3657 Posts
On July 08 2012 15:40 jaQi wrote: There is not even a thread for ace vs t8, yesterdays match (SKT vs Samsung) had only 4-5 pages... Things have changed. yea its even a amazing game from JD too =/ | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
wheres the ace t8 thread? bw is sooo good WHERES THE SUPPORT GUYS? | ||
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United States218 Posts
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
gogo JD | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On July 08 2012 15:28 Nikon wrote: Well, I kinda overslept so I was unable to watch the start >_> But uhh... the situation is really bad. And the people that come in the LR thread only to insult the pros aren't helping it either. There are people like me who watch but don't post. I stopped posting in LR threads entirely a while ago because they're always overrun with people that just shit it up. Sayle's got 1500 people watching his stream, I think that's a similar number to what proleague was getting before they went to hybrid. | ||
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polishedturd
United States505 Posts
mentioned when he saw the center barracks he thought he would lose for sure. casters are ribbing him a bit asking if he is going to cry because he is so happy, he keeps mentioning how thankful he is OMG JD TEARS T_T | ||
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Austria18407 Posts
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
On July 08 2012 15:58 Treadmill wrote: There are people like me who watch but don't post. I stopped posting in LR threads entirely a while ago because they're always overrun with people that just shit it up. Sayle's got 1500 people watching his stream, I think that's a similar number to what proleague was getting before they went to hybrid. No. In just normal games they were getting like 500. Btw, Effort is by far the best at SC2 in PL... he has an insane record. | ||
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United States297 Posts
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:40 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Could it more more clear that the fans have given up on proleague? There are no fans in the audience, there are no SC2 fans watching (and no SC2 LR threads), and the BW fans has whittled down to 3 KT fans, an STX fan, and X10A. I made this LR thread 11 minutes after the games started. I know i have and all my other friends that used to watch decided stopped caring too its sad | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
On July 08 2012 22:42 Jackal03 wrote: I know i have and all my other friends that used to watch decided stopped caring too its sad The next PL should be much better. The players will be good, and it will be only SC2. It should finally be able to compete with GOM if they get an English stream. I think I'll start making the SC2 LR threads if no one else will, but I'll have to steal the banners and whatever | ||
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