EPT[SPL]SK Telecom T1 vs CJ Entus - Page 16
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
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Wintex
Norway16849 Posts
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renlynn
United States276 Posts
On June 30 2012 13:37 X10A wrote: bigGoon, some dtGoons and a groundArbiter or two is all thats out for Bisu Bisu has a pylon warping in at 12 oclock Something in mid air nullifying the dtGoon shots? Leta smiles! Kills off all the probes, the natural is going to fall GG from Bisu it's a raven spell that blocks up to 20 projectiles. people used to complain that they gave dark swarm to terran. | ||
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haka
United States1414 Posts
2. bisu needed to have his zealots attacking at the front. 3. bisu needed to focus tanks with immortals. the battle would have gone better. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
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sage_francis
France1823 Posts
At early days of 1-1-1 every single protoss, including pros, were getting smashed like this. | ||
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Stanlot
United States5742 Posts
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
On June 30 2012 13:38 pdd wrote: Bisu looks really bad at SC2. His reaction times to the reaper and hellion drop wasn't very good. He didn't target fire the tanks with Immortals and his splitting of probes wasn't very good (although the hellions did less damage than expected). Hmm, could it be he doesn't play SC2 protoss the way it should be played? Is it because of split focus bet BW and SC2? Or are his skills just not translating? | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On June 30 2012 13:37 X10A wrote: Something in mid air nullifying the dtGoon shots? Point Defense Drone, a Raven spell. It's kind of like Dark Swarm, but not quite as good. 1-1-1 is kind of an old all-in. Most protosses can hold it nowadays, because they know how. It's actually pretty clever to use old all-ins like that, because SPL players likely don't know what to do, because they're only studying modern SC2 and no one really 1-1-1s anymore. On June 30 2012 13:40 Kommander wrote: Hmm, could it be he doesn't play SC2 protoss the way it should be played? Is it because of split focus bet BW and SC2? Or are his skills just not translating? In this case, he just didn't know what to do. I imagine he's fast enough to split probes against hellions, but he probably doesn't do it on instinct yet. The 1-1-1 requires a very specific response, and Bisu wasn't watching SC2 when Protosses figured it out. | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On June 30 2012 13:38 Necro)Phagist( wrote: He started off right, at the xel naga tower, using the sight blocker... if he stayed there a bit longer and kept kiting back he would have delayed it and picked off units etc. The second he fell back to his ramp I knew he was fucked... you can't let Terrans siege tanks get that position. His unit composition was also bad. Zealots are really important, as is setting up a flank if you can, which he easily could have. Leta just marched across the map without checking for pylons. | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
On June 30 2012 13:40 Stanlot wrote: Is it me or is there no PL thread in the SC2 section? It's you. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
Composition wasn't too bad, position was horrible, and the amount of marines Leta had was the actual killer. Even if Bisu managed to take out the tanks with his immortals and the banshees with his stalkers, he had no answer to all those marines. | ||
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
On June 30 2012 13:39 sage_francis wrote: 1-1-1 is not easy to defend, u need practice, no shame on Bisu. At early days of 1-1-1 every single protoss, including pros, were getting smashed like this. It's easy to defend if you have experience against it and most importantly, if you scout it early and often. Most SC2 pros can defend it easily since, as you said, almost all of them were smashed by it in the past. | ||
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sage_francis
France1823 Posts
On June 30 2012 13:40 Ribbon wrote: Point Defense Drone, a Raven spell. It's kind of like Dark Swarm, but not quite as good. 1-1-1 is kind of an old all-in. Most protosses can hold it nowadays, because they know how. It's actually pretty clever to use old all-ins like that, because SPL players likely don't know what to do, because they're only studying modern SC2 and no one really 1-1-1s anymore. In this case, he just didn't know what to do. I imagine he's fast enough to split probes against hellions, but he probably doesn't do it on instinct yet. The 1-1-1 requires a very specific response, and Bisu wasn't watching SC2 when Protosses figured it out. good point | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On June 30 2012 13:40 Ribbon wrote: Point Defense Drone, a Raven spell. It's kind of like Dark Swarm, but not quite as good. 1-1-1 is kind of an old all-in. Most protosses can hold it nowadays, because they know how. It's actually pretty clever to use old all-ins like that, because SPL players likely don't know what to do, because they're only studying modern SC2 and no one really 1-1-1s anymore. Not only because of the metagame evolution. Some nerfs and buffs were required to stop the 1-1-1. It was actually unstoppable, although not on a map this large. The only way to beat it on small or medium sized maps was to blind counter it. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On June 30 2012 13:41 Kommander wrote: It's easy to defend if you have experience against it and most importantly, if you scout it early and often. Most SC2 pros can defend it easily since, as you said, almost all of them were smashed by it in the past. I would say they got smashed by it so many times that it becomes the basic timing attack/all in that protoss needs to know how to defend in TvP  I would say SKT needs a coach that knows SC2 really well (like T8 getting Cezanne and Woongjin got Coach Ryu Won). | ||
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
On June 30 2012 13:43 mordk wrote: Not only because of the metagame evolution. Some nerfs and buffs were required to stop the 1-1-1. It was actually unstoppable, although not on a map this large. The only way to beat it on small or medium sized maps was to blind counter it. Yeah, buffed immortal range made a huge difference in defending the 1-1-1. | ||
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
 PDD is still a very overlooked ability that can really turn the tide. Surprised that in practice nobody ever 1-1-1'd Bisu so that he could learn how to defend it properly. Oh well, the Bisu SC2 PL curse continues. T.T | ||
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renlynn
United States276 Posts
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On June 30 2012 13:46 Proseat wrote: PDD is still a very overlooked ability that can really turn the tide. Surprised that in practice nobody ever 1-1-1'd Bisu so that he could learn how to defend it properly. Oh well, the Bisu SC2 PL curse continues. T.TOne thing that really bothers me in TvT is when meching players don't use PDD, especially against bio play. | ||
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