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pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
June 30 2012 04:38 GMT
#301
Bisu looks really bad at SC2. His reaction times to the reaper and hellion drop wasn't very good. He didn't target fire the tanks with Immortals and his splitting of probes wasn't very good (although the hellions did less damage than expected).
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
June 30 2012 04:38 GMT
#302
A sexy dance from the winner, and PDD really bopped that game ! great job.
The Bomber boy
renlynn
Profile Joined May 2011
United States276 Posts
June 30 2012 04:38 GMT
#303
On June 30 2012 13:37 X10A wrote:
bigGoon, some dtGoons and a groundArbiter or two is all thats out for Bisu
Bisu has a pylon warping in at 12 oclock
Something in mid air nullifying the dtGoon shots?
Leta smiles! Kills off all the probes, the natural is going to fall
GG from Bisu


it's a raven spell that blocks up to 20 projectiles. people used to complain that they gave dark swarm to terran.
haka
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1414 Posts
June 30 2012 04:39 GMT
#304
1. bisu needed to force a pdd out in the map. he should have kept engaging, slowing leta's push, to buy time to make more zealots at home.
2. bisu needed to have his zealots attacking at the front.
3. bisu needed to focus tanks with immortals.

the battle would have gone better.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
June 30 2012 04:39 GMT
#305
Bisu should be happier that he didn't lose straight up when he decided to move out despite seeing the incoming Terran army.
Get it by your hands...
sage_francis
Profile Joined December 2006
France1823 Posts
June 30 2012 04:39 GMT
#306
1-1-1 is not easy to defend, u need practice, no shame on Bisu.
At early days of 1-1-1 every single protoss, including pros, were getting smashed like this.
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
June 30 2012 04:40 GMT
#307
Is it me or is there no PL thread in the SC2 section?
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
June 30 2012 04:40 GMT
#308
On June 30 2012 13:38 pdd wrote:
Bisu looks really bad at SC2. His reaction times to the reaper and hellion drop wasn't very good. He didn't target fire the tanks with Immortals and his splitting of probes wasn't very good (although the hellions did less damage than expected).


Hmm, could it be he doesn't play SC2 protoss the way it should be played? Is it because of split focus bet BW and SC2? Or are his skills just not translating?
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 04:42:32
June 30 2012 04:40 GMT
#309
On June 30 2012 13:37 X10A wrote:
Something in mid air nullifying the dtGoon shots?


Point Defense Drone, a Raven spell. It's kind of like Dark Swarm, but not quite as good.

1-1-1 is kind of an old all-in. Most protosses can hold it nowadays, because they know how. It's actually pretty clever to use old all-ins like that, because SPL players likely don't know what to do, because they're only studying modern SC2 and no one really 1-1-1s anymore.

On June 30 2012 13:40 Kommander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2012 13:38 pdd wrote:
Bisu looks really bad at SC2. His reaction times to the reaper and hellion drop wasn't very good. He didn't target fire the tanks with Immortals and his splitting of probes wasn't very good (although the hellions did less damage than expected).


Hmm, could it be he doesn't play SC2 protoss the way it should be played? Is it because of split focus bet BW and SC2? Or are his skills just not translating?


In this case, he just didn't know what to do. I imagine he's fast enough to split probes against hellions, but he probably doesn't do it on instinct yet. The 1-1-1 requires a very specific response, and Bisu wasn't watching SC2 when Protosses figured it out.
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
June 30 2012 04:40 GMT
#310
On June 30 2012 13:38 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
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On June 30 2012 13:36 forsooth wrote:
I think that was the worst response to that attack I've ever seen.

He started off right, at the xel naga tower, using the sight blocker... if he stayed there a bit longer and kept kiting back he would have delayed it and picked off units etc. The second he fell back to his ramp I knew he was fucked... you can't let Terrans siege tanks get that position.

His unit composition was also bad. Zealots are really important, as is setting up a flank if you can, which he easily could have. Leta just marched across the map without checking for pylons.
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
June 30 2012 04:40 GMT
#311
On June 30 2012 13:40 Stanlot wrote:
Is it me or is there no PL thread in the SC2 section?


It's you.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
June 30 2012 04:41 GMT
#312
Bisu's army wasn't THAT bad at the moment the attack came, but he needed a lot more zealots, and he needed to engage in a better position. Usually the response involves delaying the attack as much as possible by meeting the attacker as many times as possible without losing units forcing the tanks to siege and then back off.

Composition wasn't too bad, position was horrible, and the amount of marines Leta had was the actual killer. Even if Bisu managed to take out the tanks with his immortals and the banshees with his stalkers, he had no answer to all those marines.
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
June 30 2012 04:41 GMT
#313
On June 30 2012 13:39 sage_francis wrote:
1-1-1 is not easy to defend, u need practice, no shame on Bisu.
At early days of 1-1-1 every single protoss, including pros, were getting smashed like this.


It's easy to defend if you have experience against it and most importantly, if you scout it early and often. Most SC2 pros can defend it easily since, as you said, almost all of them were smashed by it in the past.
sage_francis
Profile Joined December 2006
France1823 Posts
June 30 2012 04:43 GMT
#314
On June 30 2012 13:40 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2012 13:37 X10A wrote:
Something in mid air nullifying the dtGoon shots?


Point Defense Drone, a Raven spell. It's kind of like Dark Swarm, but not quite as good.

1-1-1 is kind of an old all-in. Most protosses can hold it nowadays, because they know how. It's actually pretty clever to use old all-ins like that, because SPL players likely don't know what to do, because they're only studying modern SC2 and no one really 1-1-1s anymore.

Show nested quote +
On June 30 2012 13:40 Kommander wrote:
On June 30 2012 13:38 pdd wrote:
Bisu looks really bad at SC2. His reaction times to the reaper and hellion drop wasn't very good. He didn't target fire the tanks with Immortals and his splitting of probes wasn't very good (although the hellions did less damage than expected).


Hmm, could it be he doesn't play SC2 protoss the way it should be played? Is it because of split focus bet BW and SC2? Or are his skills just not translating?


In this case, he just didn't know what to do. I imagine he's fast enough to split probes against hellions, but he probably doesn't do it on instinct yet. The 1-1-1 requires a very specific response, and Bisu wasn't watching SC2 when Protosses figured it out.


good point
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 04:44:26
June 30 2012 04:43 GMT
#315
On June 30 2012 13:40 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2012 13:37 X10A wrote:
Something in mid air nullifying the dtGoon shots?


Point Defense Drone, a Raven spell. It's kind of like Dark Swarm, but not quite as good.

1-1-1 is kind of an old all-in. Most protosses can hold it nowadays, because they know how. It's actually pretty clever to use old all-ins like that, because SPL players likely don't know what to do, because they're only studying modern SC2 and no one really 1-1-1s anymore.

Not only because of the metagame evolution. Some nerfs and buffs were required to stop the 1-1-1. It was actually unstoppable, although not on a map this large. The only way to beat it on small or medium sized maps was to blind counter it.
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 04:45:19
June 30 2012 04:43 GMT
#316
On June 30 2012 13:41 Kommander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2012 13:39 sage_francis wrote:
1-1-1 is not easy to defend, u need practice, no shame on Bisu.
At early days of 1-1-1 every single protoss, including pros, were getting smashed like this.


It's easy to defend if you have experience against it and most importantly, if you scout it early and often. Most SC2 pros can defend it easily since, as you said, almost all of them were smashed by it in the past.


I would say they got smashed by it so many times that it becomes the basic timing attack/all in that protoss needs to know how to defend in TvP

I would say SKT needs a coach that knows SC2 really well (like T8 getting Cezanne and Woongjin got Coach Ryu Won).
Without love, we can't see anything. Without love, the truth can't be seen. - Umineko no Naku Koro Ni
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
June 30 2012 04:45 GMT
#317
On June 30 2012 13:43 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2012 13:40 Ribbon wrote:
On June 30 2012 13:37 X10A wrote:
Something in mid air nullifying the dtGoon shots?


Point Defense Drone, a Raven spell. It's kind of like Dark Swarm, but not quite as good.

1-1-1 is kind of an old all-in. Most protosses can hold it nowadays, because they know how. It's actually pretty clever to use old all-ins like that, because SPL players likely don't know what to do, because they're only studying modern SC2 and no one really 1-1-1s anymore.

Not only because of the metagame evolution. Some nerfs and buffs were required to stop the 1-1-1. It was actually unstoppable, although not on a map this large. The only way to beat it on small or medium sized maps was to blind counter it.


Yeah, buffed immortal range made a huge difference in defending the 1-1-1.
Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 04:46:16
June 30 2012 04:46 GMT
#318
(Wiki)PDD is still a very overlooked ability that can really turn the tide. Surprised that in practice nobody ever 1-1-1'd Bisu so that he could learn how to defend it properly. Oh well, the Bisu SC2 PL curse continues. T.T
The Rise and Fall of SlayerS -- a timeline: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=378097
renlynn
Profile Joined May 2011
United States276 Posts
June 30 2012 04:48 GMT
#319
man I wish I could understand what leta is saying
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
June 30 2012 04:49 GMT
#320
On June 30 2012 13:46 Proseat wrote:
(Wiki)PDD is still a very overlooked ability that can really turn the tide. Surprised that in practice nobody ever 1-1-1'd Bisu so that he could learn how to defend it properly. Oh well, the Bisu SC2 PL curse continues. T.T

One thing that really bothers me in TvT is when meching players don't use PDD, especially against bio play.
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