EPTOn May 29 2012 17:40 MuseMike wrote:
PvP has gotten a lot better in the last 2-3 months.
PvP has gotten a lot better in the last 2-3 months.
GSL/International PvP has gotten better, does not necessarily mean that KeSPA PvP has...
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gedatsu
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GSL/International PvP has gotten better, does not necessarily mean that KeSPA PvP has... | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On May 29 2012 17:42 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Question for those who watch a lot of SC2: in PvZ, does the advantage swing in favour of Zerg when they have a critical mass of Brood thingies? Maybe SK just had a really good army composition, but it looked like Sun tried everything - storms, Void Rays - without even making a dent. Yes. Protosses answer to the broodlord infestor end game comp is an archon toilet. Mass void rays dies to fungal from infestor. Once zerg gets the brood infestor comp, they have the advantage. | ||
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Bear4188
United States1797 Posts
Question for those who watch a lot of SC2: in PvZ, does the advantage swing in favour of Zerg when they have a critical mass of Brood thingies? Yes, broodlords can absolutely devastate the protoss army. However Protoss have a good chance to destroy the expensive, slow building BL army with a well placed vortex from a mothership, which causes them to stack up into a small space, and then archons or storm can annihilate them. If the Zerg miscontrols the BL army they can also be picked off piecemeal by blink stalkers. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On May 29 2012 17:42 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Question for those who watch a lot of SC2: in PvZ, does the advantage swing in favour of Zerg when they have a critical mass of Brood thingies? Maybe SK just had a really good army composition, but it looked like Sun tried everything - storms, Void Rays - without even making a dent. They really should bring back maelstorm for protoss because mamaship + vortex and archon toilet won't work against well split Brood lord army . Maelstorm ? heh there is no way that Brood lord army of ball is going to get away from a maelstorm cast . I would be licking my chops when I see an army of zerg sc2 unit die to maelstorm + psi storm . | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On May 29 2012 17:42 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Question for those who watch a lot of SC2: in PvZ, does the advantage swing in favour of Zerg when they have a critical mass of Brood thingies? Depends on the skill level of the protoss. Motherships and archon toilets are the "counter", but recently GSL protosses are realizing that Blords are really slow, so constant speed prism drops and even defensive recalls can abuse that immobility. Ace did this against BboongBboong in the GSL, and it looked both absurdly strong and a lot more entertaining that the old standard. I think (and hope!) it'll be the new standard. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On May 29 2012 17:42 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Question for those who watch a lot of SC2: in PvZ, does the advantage swing in favour of Zerg when they have a critical mass of Brood thingies? Maybe SK just had a really good army composition, but it looked like Sun tried everything - storms, Void Rays - without even making a dent. Think of Broodlord as a massive flying Siege Tank that shoot out 2 Zerglings every time it attacks. If P let Z get like 10+ Broodlords with enough army support, he is kinda going to get rolled over because Broodling will block P army from getting under Broodlords and kill them. Although they are really powerful, they are also very slow so there are a couple of ways to deal it. One is to pull them into Vortex and put a lot of Archon into it, which is called "Archon Toilet". When Broodlords come out, it will be stack into very clumped group, so with enough Archons they can pretty much 1-2 shots them. Another way is to harassing Z player and make him constantly move Broodlord until they cannot catchup with the harass. This style is kinda new so it's still need a lot of refinements. | ||
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PineappleLumpsToss
New Zealand2434 Posts
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On May 29 2012 17:48 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Thanks for the answers. After the noble magnificence of the Carrier in BW it's going to take a bit of getting used to to see Zerg so dominant in the air. There was a GSTL game where a Protoss got 15 carriers against literally 40 infestors. It was glorious. | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On May 29 2012 17:48 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Thanks for the answers. After the noble magnificence of the Carrier in BW it's going to take a bit of getting used to to see Zerg so dominant in the air. They needa bring back sc1 carriers, and i will switch back to protoss. | ||
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Bear4188
United States1797 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51707 Posts
On May 29 2012 17:52 Bear4188 wrote: Unfortunately Blizzard seems to have some sort of vendetta against carriers and refuses to even attempt to make them more viable. because the best fix to the carrier is to dumb its AI down. | ||
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sushiman
Sweden2691 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51707 Posts
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
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PineappleLumpsToss
New Zealand2434 Posts
WP Stars, looks like we're going to have to focus more on SC2 this season. 1-2, ouch  We'll be back.Thanks for the thread, and to the streamers. | ||
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BrosephBrostar
United States445 Posts
On May 29 2012 17:45 Sawamura wrote: They really should bring back maelstorm for protoss because mamaship + vortex and archon toilet won't work against well split Brood lord army . Maelstorm ? heh there is no way that Brood lord army of ball is going to get away from a maelstorm cast . I would be licking my chops when I see an army of zerg sc2 unit die to maelstorm + psi storm . Maelstrom + storm already exists in sc2. They made it green and gave it to zerg. | ||
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aznball123
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
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MuseMike
United States1339 Posts
On May 29 2012 17:42 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Question for those who watch a lot of SC2: in PvZ, does the advantage swing in favour of Zerg when they have a critical mass of Brood thingies? Maybe SK just had a really good army composition, but it looked like Sun tried everything - storms, Void Rays - without even making a dent. Yes, Soulkey even said in tghe interview he thinks it is almost impossible to lose with broodlord infestor. If the Zerg keeps his infestors and broodlords well spread and slowly slowly pushes with spinecrawlers it is very hard to lose. The Protoss can still win with a double mothership vortex and a sick archon toilet, but it is the Zergs game to lose at that point. Liquid Ret hates lategame PvZ due to how patient the zerg has to be and how it comes down to one ability, vortex. Recent metagame is also adding in multiple speed warp prisms for maximum harass to stop reinforcement capabilities by destroying econ and tech as the protoss can reinforce faster. Just without the mothership. | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
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